Re: LDN referred to as a joke...

[Guest guest]

Mr. Harding wrote:

" I spoke via email with the lead researcher on MS here at MI last

night after having asked him about LDN and MS. He said " LDN is a

joke " -- he didn't see how HIV patients with a depressed immune

system and MS patients with an overactive immune system could benefit

from the same treatment. OK, I respect his opinion... "

I'm not sure I respect his opinion on this issue. With due respect

to the researcher to whom Mr. Harding refers, it appears to me that

he does not understand the theory behind the use of LDN...for HIV OR

for MS. My guess is that he " poo-poo'ed " it right off the shelf,

without researching it at all for himself. That, to me, is not a

respectable opinion, particularly not from a so-

called " professional " .

Really, his argument borders on the ridiculous. If what he says

makes sense, then he would also have to ask why vaccines have

historically worked. How can the very virus or bacteria that CAUSES

an illness also help to ward off the very same illness when injected

directly into a person, thus calling the immune system to attention

and response? Hmmmm?

If this gentleman is casting off the possibilities behind LDN simply

by noting that it has been reported as having been successful in

treating both HIV and MS, then he has no idea of the chemistry behind

the research which has been completed in this regard. I'd refer him

to 239 articles in PubMed...just for starters.

But this is typical of mainstream, traditional allopathic medicine.

The unfortunate part is that so many people have difficulty ignoring

such backward, unreasonable opinion (formed by what to back it up?),

because it comes from a doctor. And therein lies the real danger.

We are responsible for our own health care. We who are fortunate

enough to be capable of reading, using the Internet or a library, are

perfectly capable of feriting out what is available to us as

consumers. Simply blindly trusting the PRODUCERS...that is, the

people we PAY to administer our health care...is not only

unreasonable, but dangerous.

What that so-called " expert " in MS from Michigan has thoroughly

researched the premise behind why LDN works, then I'll listen to

him. Until then, his opinion is absolutely meaningless.

I'll choose to listen to the real experts...the folks, like those on

this very list, who have been through the ringer, learned all they

can to preserve their own lives, and are here to tell us what's

working and what isn't. In addition, I will compile my own research,

looking at every bit of data I can find, both positive and negative.

That dude in Michigan will not factor into the equation, however. He

may be considered a " lead researcher " , but his research methodology

is seriously questionable. So, what's the problem? LDN not capable

of making enough money for certain interested parties?

I'd not bet MY life on a half-assed opinion based on nothing but

resentment and speculation, that's for sure.

J...

[Guest guest]

I agree with everything you said, thanks for commenting. Especially that

just because someone is called an " expert " doesn't make him so. And just

because he doesn't understand how LDN could work, doesn't mean it doesn't.

To balance this as this group knows, I spoke to the researcher at Penn

State yesterday who told me " get on this immediately " -- this is the guy

who patented naltrexone for use with addicts. He is absolutely sure this

will help MS patients, so I hope kwanyin41 did not take it that I endorsed

Dr. Mikol's (the researcher at MI) opinion, cause I don't!!!! I have some

respect for differing opinions but many docs believe in the " superstition

of reductionism " as Dr. Deepok Chopra calls it. There are so many things

we do not understand about how the human body works, to call something a

" joke " is being very egotistical, I was however, just reporting the facts.

I think all the information we have is good, no matter if it is supportive

of LDN or not, we ultimately must make up our own minds...

My hope is that one day, very soon, I can contact Dr. Mikol and tell him

how well LDN worked for me with MS and as a researcher he needs to

understand it better than he does.

phil

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, kwanyin41 wrote:

> Mr. Harding wrote:

>

> " I spoke via email with the lead researcher on MS here at MI last

> night after having asked him about LDN and MS. He said " LDN is a

> joke " -- he didn't see how HIV patients with a depressed immune

> system and MS patients with an overactive immune system could benefit

> from the same treatment. OK, I respect his opinion... "

>

> I'm not sure I respect his opinion on this issue. With due respect

> to the researcher to whom Mr. Harding refers, it appears to me that

> he does not understand the theory behind the use of LDN...for HIV OR

> for MS. My guess is that he " poo-poo'ed " it right off the shelf,

> without researching it at all for himself. That, to me, is not a

> respectable opinion, particularly not from a so-

> called " professional " .

>

> Really, his argument borders on the ridiculous. If what he says

> makes sense, then he would also have to ask why vaccines have

> historically worked. How can the very virus or bacteria that CAUSES

> an illness also help to ward off the very same illness when injected

> directly into a person, thus calling the immune system to attention

> and response? Hmmmm?

>

> If this gentleman is casting off the possibilities behind LDN simply

> by noting that it has been reported as having been successful in

> treating both HIV and MS, then he has no idea of the chemistry behind

> the research which has been completed in this regard. I'd refer him

> to 239 articles in PubMed...just for starters.

>

> But this is typical of mainstream, traditional allopathic medicine.

> The unfortunate part is that so many people have difficulty ignoring

> such backward, unreasonable opinion (formed by what to back it up?),

> because it comes from a doctor. And therein lies the real danger.

>

> We are responsible for our own health care. We who are fortunate

> enough to be capable of reading, using the Internet or a library, are

> perfectly capable of feriting out what is available to us as

> consumers. Simply blindly trusting the PRODUCERS...that is, the

> people we PAY to administer our health care...is not only

> unreasonable, but dangerous.

>

> What that so-called " expert " in MS from Michigan has thoroughly

> researched the premise behind why LDN works, then I'll listen to

> him. Until then, his opinion is absolutely meaningless.

>

> I'll choose to listen to the real experts...the folks, like those on

> this very list, who have been through the ringer, learned all they

> can to preserve their own lives, and are here to tell us what's

> working and what isn't. In addition, I will compile my own research,

> looking at every bit of data I can find, both positive and negative.

>

> That dude in Michigan will not factor into the equation, however. He

> may be considered a " lead researcher " , but his research methodology

> is seriously questionable. So, what's the problem? LDN not capable

> of making enough money for certain interested parties?

>

> I'd not bet MY life on a half-assed opinion based on nothing but

> resentment and speculation, that's for sure.

>

> J...

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