Re: herbs and suppliments ???

August 14, 2003

,

My wife Judi, who has RRMS, is doing very well on LDN since starting

7/18/03. Also, she has been using MSM powder for the past two years. It

works very well for pain and inflammation. A tsp twice a day. If you are

on any blood thinners, it would be contraindicated as it will thin the

blood.

Regards,

Emanuel

david@... wrote:

>

> Jeff,

>

> Also anything that fights inflamation is always good for those of us

> fighting demon MS.

>

August 14, 2003

Jeff I am also interested in that Cyanine pepper my doctor was

mentioning it last week. Let me know what it does for you.

Mira

On Thursday, Aug 14, 2003, at 06:51 US/Central, david@... wrote:

>

> Jeff,

>

> I have read some of your comments concerning herbs and supplements. I

> am

> interested in something that will increase my endorphin levels during

> the

> day and early evening. Increased endorphin levels seem to make a

> world of

> difference, i.e. that’s what is so good about LDN.

>

> You had once mentioned cyanine pepper. What would be a good dosage

> level

> and timing?

>

> Also anything that fights inflamation is always good for those of us

> fighting demon MS.

>

> Original Message:

> -----------------

> From: Jeff jeffalan19556@...

> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:29:32 -0000

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August 14, 2003

Emanuel

I have no more inflammation I took Wobenzyme and that helped.

For years that was my biggest problem with inflammation.

What kind of blood thinners? I take Wobenzyme, Endozyme that has

Nattokinase.

Mira

On Thursday, Aug 14, 2003, at 10:32 US/Central, Emanuel C Montera wrote:

> ,

> My wife Judi, who has RRMS, is doing very well on LDN since starting

> 7/18/03. Also, she has been using MSM powder for the past two years. It

> works very well for pain and inflammation. A tsp twice a day. If you

> are

> on any blood thinners, it would be contraindicated as it will thin the

> blood.

> Regards,

> Emanuel

>

> david@... wrote:

>

>>

>> Jeff,

>>

>> Also anything that fights inflamation is always good for those of us

>> fighting demon MS.

>>

>

August 14, 2003

Mira,

Yes, Wobenzyme is probably one of the very best digestive enzyme

complexes available.

I am not familiar with all the various blood thinner medications. The

point I was attempting to

make was that if a person is on blood thinner of any kind, then addition

of MSM could thin the

blood too much and cause problems. My wife Judi has been taking MSM

daily for over two

years. On and off during this time, she concurrently took Megazyme and

at other times took

Now brand Super Enzymes. Neither one ever caused any clotting problems

and all her blood work

(2 pages) have been in the center of the normal ranges for everything.

Really healthy, just has

MS :-))

However, she developed pain in her left hip which was more evident when

laying on her right side.

This would happen nightly. She started taking a tsp of MSM before bed

and that eliminated the

problem. She has continued to use the MSM along with the LDN and her hip

has remained pain

free. I suspect that rebounding has contributed much to the alleviation

of the hip problem as well

as improving her balance. We both feel strongly in favor of LDN and

gentle rebounding along with

other supplementing protocols. Hope this helps.

Wishing you all the best,

Emanuel & Judi

wordww@... wrote:

> Emanuel

> I have no more inflammation I took Wobenzyme and that helped.

> For years that was my biggest problem with inflammation.

> What kind of blood thinners? I take Wobenzyme, Endozyme that has

> Nattokinase.

> Mira

>

August 15, 2003

Thank you Emanuel

Sounds like you have been researching and getting somewhere ! I am

glad. I am so glad your wife is doing better with her combination. I

will give MSM a check with my herbalist. I will be careful with blood

thinners thanks.

But Last year when I finally got back to the US, after three years of

being stuck without my medicines or suppliments in Pakistan.

(government banned them),

my doctors said my blood was too thick 19 hemoglobin, and wanted to

oxygenate it as well, and teach my cells to unclutter and stop clinging

and storing things inside not letting anything in or out of them. They

made me dump one pint of it so my body will make new oxygenated healthy

cells, and by then I was taking all the good things like Wobenzyme and

Endozyme and many many other meds to make new good new blood cells.

Like Cod,Shark Oil and Omega 3 and 6.

I don't know its all so complicated.

But I will look into MSM I heard about it many times. So your wife

uses it for pain?

What does it do exactly? Do you know?

Will also check on the other enzymes you mentioned.

Its nice to see you care so much to keep in touch with all of the MS

patients and LDN updates for her. Give her my best regards and tell

her hope to see her typing too one day soon.

Mira

On Thursday, Aug 14, 2003, at 17:25 US/Central, Emanuel C Montera wrote:

> Mira,

>

> Yes, Wobenzyme is probably one of the very best digestive enzyme

> complexes available.

> I am not familiar with all the various blood thinner medications. The

> point I was attempting to

> make was that if a person is on blood thinner of any kind, then

> addition

> of MSM could thin the

> blood too much and cause problems. My wife Judi has been taking MSM

> daily for over two

> years. On and off during this time, she concurrently took Megazyme and

> at other times took

> Now brand Super Enzymes. Neither one ever caused any clotting problems

> and all her blood work

> (2 pages) have been in the center of the normal ranges for everything.

> Really healthy, just has

> MS :-))

>

> However, she developed pain in her left hip which was more evident when

> laying on her right side.

> This would happen nightly. She started taking a tsp of MSM before bed

> and that eliminated the

> problem. She has continued to use the MSM along with the LDN and her

> hip

> has remained pain

> free. I suspect that rebounding has contributed much to the alleviation

> of the hip problem as well

> as improving her balance. We both feel strongly in favor of LDN and

> gentle rebounding along with

> other supplementing protocols. Hope this helps.

>

> Wishing you all the best,

> Emanuel & Judi

>

> wordww@... wrote:

>

>> Emanuel

>> I have no more inflammation I took Wobenzyme and that helped.

>> For years that was my biggest problem with inflammation.

>> What kind of blood thinners? I take Wobenzyme, Endozyme that has

>> Nattokinase.

>> Mira

>>

>

August 15, 2003

Emanuel, I was told to take a little Vitamin C with MSM. Helps it work

better.--Martha

August 15, 2003

HI MARTHA, WHAT EXACTLY IS MSM....THANKS,SALLY

August 15, 2003

Sally, MSM is methysulfonylmethone--sulfur. The second highest mineral

occurring in our bodies. If we're not eating raw, leafy green

vegetables, we're not getting it. Ever see dogs or cats eating grass?

They're trying to get sulfur. I use it for energy. As Emanuel said,

his wife uses if for pain and inflammation. Sometimes it's combined

with glucasamine for joint problems. Plenty of info on the 'net. Check

it out. Regards--Martha

August 15, 2003

Martha. thanks...I'm allergic to the sulfa drugs...does it prclude

me from taking msm? Sally

> Sally, MSM is methysulfonylmethone--sulfur. The second highest

mineral occurring in our bodies. Regards--Martha

August 15, 2003

Sally, I believe sulfa and sulfur are two different things, but please

check out info on the 'net anytime someone recommends something.--Martha

> Martha. thanks...I'm allergic to the sulfa drugs...does it prclude

> me from taking msm? Sally

August 15, 2003

Martha,

Very good point. We both take 10-12 grams of calcium ascorbate daily.

The product we use

is Now brand with the C complex included. It comes in a 3 lb container

and is quite cost effective.

With calcium ascorbate as opposed to ascorbic acid, you do not run into

the bowel problem.

No pun intended :-) It is the ascorbate ion, not the hydrogen ion that

does you all the good.

Plus, you are getting additional calcium. The above dosage is taken in

five or six divided doses

throughout our waking hours. The LDN is still the one single best

addition to our arsenal in the

war on MS. My wife Judi has had a good day everyday since starting LDN

7/18/03. Nothing

short of miraculous as two days in a row would be the longest prior to

LDN. She started at

3.0 ml and after 12 days increased to 4.5 ml. NO adverse side effects,

no muscle or sleep problems.

She is not on any other medication after five years of Avonex and two

months of Rebif. Been med

free for over a year.

Emanuel & Judi

mertburton wrote:

> Emanuel, I was told to take a little Vitamin C with MSM. Helps it work

> better.--Martha

>

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