Guest guest Posted December 20, 1999 Report Share Posted December 20, 1999 In a message dated 12/20/99 7:28:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, onelist writes: > Yes, you understood correctly, BVT is done with live honeybees! Hi . Why don't they just extract the venom, put it in vials, refrigerate if necessary and sell it for injection. I'm sure part of it has to do with getting 'live' venom, but surely someone is working on an injectable form. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 1999 Report Share Posted December 20, 1999 In a message dated 12/20/1999 9:26:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, MCamp10139@... writes: << > Yes, you understood correctly, BVT is done with live honeybees! Hi . Why don't they just extract the venom, put it in vials, refrigerate if necessary and sell it for injection. I'm sure part of it has to do with getting 'live' venom, but surely someone is working on an injectable form. >> Hiya...When I was out in Calif last year to see DR Goldstein, one of the first things he tried on me was honey bee venom. It was in an injectable form. However, some people are highly allergic to it. I am one of them. Thank goodness he did a patch test on me before he started. My arm swelled up like a balloon so that ruled out ever using the full dose on me. I had no idea I was allergic to bee stings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2002 Report Share Posted October 26, 2002 Imagine if you are allergic to bee stings! That will really kill the lyme and you too! Being allergic to bees, hornets, yellow jackets and wasps, scares me to think people do this. Do you realize some people die after being bitten several times???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2002 Report Share Posted October 26, 2002 Very interested in all of your BVT therapy results. Funny, but I was reading a book last night that's about to be re-released about insects and us...had lots of sort of shamanic stuff in it. Really interesting chapter on bees, and beekeepers, and stories that seemed amazing. Bees are very intelligent creatures. Maybe you could just talk to your bees and tell them you need to be healed, and tell them to sting you as much as needed.... :-) They are probably smarter than we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2002 Report Share Posted October 26, 2002 Excellent point. Dont just go out and grab a bee. Get the books, talk to people, do the research. I went to the allergist first, and I have an epi pen at home. I plan to only sting when my wife is home, and she has been trained to use the epipen as well. I'm only starting with 1 sting every other day. Chris > Imagine if you are allergic to bee stings! That will really kill the lyme and > you too! Being allergic to bees, hornets, yellow jackets and wasps, scares me > to think people do this. Do you realize some people die after being bitten > several times???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2002 Report Share Posted October 27, 2002 Thanx, and thanx also to Barb although her detailed descriptions (I went back and read them) gave me pause...the idea of embedded stingers and infections. But I've been stung ocasionally in my life by bees and once by a wasp and nothing bad happened...I had no idea someone could swell up that bad... You know, peptides are very important as antibiotics. They found that eczema is caused by lack of a peptide in the skin of sufferers (this would be genetic lack)--its an antibiotic peptide. So I believe there may be peptides in bee venom that are indeed antibacterial and/or antiviral. I don't think it's JUST the inflammatory response. But who am I to say? :-) Anyone who has done this and continues to do it I appreciate as much detail...thanx... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2002 Report Share Posted October 27, 2002 Jill, What got me started is reading about how bee venom kills lyme in vitro (test tube). I also started reading alot about MS patients that test positive for lyme. I'm hoping it might help build the immune system up, which is my number one priority right now. Did my second sting this morning. , I got inpatient trying to grab her by her legs, and grabed the thorax, and again, no sting. So I let her go...grabed the legs, and BAM!!! Actually....ouch is more like it. Many thanks for your help and support. Chris > You know, peptides are very important as antibiotics. They found > that eczema is caused by lack of a peptide in the skin of sufferers > (this would be genetic lack)--its an antibiotic peptide. So I > believe there may be peptides in bee venom that are indeed > antibacterial and/or antiviral. I don't think it's JUST the > inflammatory response. But who am I to say? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2002 Report Share Posted October 27, 2002 It is interesting...I haven't been stung in years, and so I was healthy back then... I guess as they point out the immune system gets disregulated in chronic illness--the t helpers overactive, the t suppressors underactive--so maybe part of the illness is the constant red alert inflammatory state--which goes on mega-boom with the bee stings, and maybe uses up all its chemicals? I'm just speculating; the way capsaican cream burns at first but depletes substance P so is good for pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 , is BVT helping you. Thx... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 The only beekeeper I ever knew died of Alzheimer's after years and years of progressive dementia. Martha A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 In a message dated 11/15/02 5:19:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, Peggomatic@... writes: > Has made three patients worse, two of whom were father and daughter. > Patients > should have an Epi-Pen (if available) and an antihistamine with them at all > times. Plaquenil antagonizes PLLPA2. Arachidonic acid combines with > effianolamine in the brain to make anandamide, an endogenous cannabinoid > (like marijuana). > Thanks for posting this Peggy. What I found very interesting is that it says that Plaquenil is an antagonist for PLPA2. Lupus patients (a lot of them anyway) feel better on Plaquenil so maybe those of us who have tested positive for Lupus before (me) should be extra careful when considering BVT. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Hi, I've also did BVT for over 3 1/2 years. It helped with the MS fatigue, the numbness and the bladder urgences so I was able to stop using Diptropan. I stopped because it is very difficult getting live bees in midwinter when the temperature in 20 to 30 below zero. Bee pollen is good for many things: it gives energy, helps hay fever, etc Here is the Apitherapy Site http://www.apitherapy.org/ Now I use Goodshape's histamine (which does pretty much the same as beestings with no sting) http://disc.server.com/Indices/148285.html take care Johanne F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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