Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 Larry, Does the article say anything about ABs not being able to rid the body of the bacteria? Lyra > Dear Lyra, > Here's preliminary proof of the idea that Lyme exists long term and the > mechanism that perpetuates the infection. You will note it is a Columbia > study. > Larry NV > Borrelia burgdorferi recovered from infected mammal cells (3/01). > Dorward and Larson in the March 2001 issue of Infection and Immunity > demonstrate that Bb spirochetes can adhere to mouse lymphocytes and that Bb > spirochetes with affinity for mouse lymphocytes can establish disseminated > infections in mice. This is the first study to demonstrate the attraction of > Bb to mammalian lymphocytes in vivo. The recovery of viable spirochetes in > this study from mouse B and T cells indicates that the spirochetes and the > lymphocytic cells are in intimate contact with one another in the mammal. > While previous work demonstrated that Bb spirochetes could target, adhrere > to, and invade primary human B and T lymphocytes in vitro, the exact nature > of the in vivo spirochete-lymphocytes interactions could not be demonstrated > by electron microscopy in this study; the same lymphocyte preparations from > the spleen and blood of infected mice did however produce active spirochetal > cultures. The authors speculate that visualization may not have been > possible due to a low number of spirochetes per ml. This study supports the > suggestion that cellular tropism and lymphocytic-Bb interactions may be > mechanisms of persistent infection and disease pathogenesis in the mammalian > host. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2001 Report Share Posted July 8, 2001 I am trying to do research...this is why I asked Larry about the study. Thanks, Lyra > > Does the article say anything about ABs not being able to rid the > > body of the bacteria? > > > Lyra, This is going to sound harsh and its not meant to be. You dont want > to take anyones word for anything, and I dont blame you. So why dont you > research your questions yourself? Didnt Larry give the address for this > study? Pepi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Thank you Comrade ; True words of wisdom that may even be " inspired " ...I totally agree..for what it's worth..Here we are asking if this method or " that " method really works and " demanding " proof; and yet we can't even get that " proof " or testimonies from those who have had the advantages of spending billions of government tax dollars with innumerous fried and diced human guinea pigs..Go the natural way; we say..;-) melville ;-) [ ] Hi. Just recently joined this group. I have been diagnosed with metasticized colon cancer (currently in my lymphatic system). I have read much on alternative therapy, and have become somewhat convinced that it might work. One thing though: Almost all the literature I have read, and persons I have spoken too are woefully low on testimonials. I have yet to speak or communicate to a single person who actually walked away from a terminal diagnosis. My question to the group: Are you all deluding yourselves (and, me). Can anyone state credibly and honestly that they know (firsthand) persons who HAVE survived cancer by following an alternative medicine regime? THIS would satisfy me that maybe there's a chance. Short of this REAL evidence, I don't think any self respecting person can hold out hope for alternative therapies. Don't get me wrong: I am following an alternative regime. But I need to have real PROOF that it CAN work. Can anyone out there provide this?? Thank you. Ernie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Thank you Comrade ; True words of wisdom that may even be " inspired " ...I totally agree..for what it's worth..Here we are asking if this method or " that " method really works and " demanding " proof; and yet we can't even get that " proof " or testimonies from those who have had the advantages of spending billions of government tax dollars with innumerous fried and diced human guinea pigs..Go the natural way; we say..;-) melville ;-) [ ] Hi. Just recently joined this group. I have been diagnosed with metasticized colon cancer (currently in my lymphatic system). I have read much on alternative therapy, and have become somewhat convinced that it might work. One thing though: Almost all the literature I have read, and persons I have spoken too are woefully low on testimonials. I have yet to speak or communicate to a single person who actually walked away from a terminal diagnosis. My question to the group: Are you all deluding yourselves (and, me). Can anyone state credibly and honestly that they know (firsthand) persons who HAVE survived cancer by following an alternative medicine regime? THIS would satisfy me that maybe there's a chance. Short of this REAL evidence, I don't think any self respecting person can hold out hope for alternative therapies. Don't get me wrong: I am following an alternative regime. But I need to have real PROOF that it CAN work. Can anyone out there provide this?? Thank you. Ernie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2003 Report Share Posted March 3, 2003 Dear The allopathic methods of treating cancer do not always create permanent collateral damage. My mother is alive and well after surgery and chemotherapy for ovarian cancer which had metastasized to her lymph glands. She used alternatives after the chemo. Using non-scientific means, radionic analysis, I believe that if she had not used alternatives, she would only have lived the two years the oncologists gave her. Dave Perkins, of www.betterwayhealth.com had chemo, radiation, splenectomy and bone marrow transplant and has cured his terminal non-hodgkins lymphoma with alternatives. Kallie www.4optimallife.com Products and services to enhance your health and life. Water Ionizers, Magnetic Sleep Pads, Accutone CDs, Zappers, Energy Therapies - EFT, ERT. [ ] Proof Hi Ernie! As you may already know, with cancer there are no guarantees, regardless of treatment type. If you were to pose the same question to your oncologist, and he or she were disposed to tell the truth, you would find that the treatments that mainstream medicine has to offer you have no proof of effectiveness, cure, or life extension. But there is a very important difference. Once you gone down that road of surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy, there is no turning back. The collateral damage is permanent. If these methods do not work, you would be a very poor candidate for alternative approaches. Mainstream treatment would simply continue with more of the same until you die. Forgive me for being so blunt. But this is the sorry state of conventional cancer treatment in the U.S. Whereas when you obtain non-toxic treatments, and this generally means a number of treatments simultaneously meant to work synergistically, if they do not control or cure, you simply move on to other alternatives with your immune system and DNA intact. Do not let your doctor pressure you into any quick decisions. Get second and third opinions. Do some research over the Internet. Take a look at alkalizeforhealth.net and other sites. Consider this: When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail. I wish you the best of luck in your search. Lorenz A comrade-in-arms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Dear Wilbur , Show me the proof that you can fly...........I don't believe it for a minute! I admit 12 seconds isn't that great. What do you mean you're going to put a propeller on it? What do you mean the speed of sound? What do you mean, going to the Moon? I don't believe that for one minute...............There might not be intelligence in another universe, YOU OUGHT TO GET IN A ROCKET AND GO THERE! Albert Czap P.S. DON'T FORGET YOUR HERBS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Proof will only come from a study which is approved by the scientific community. I repeat my question of yesterday: Why can't a drug trial be completely run by volunteers, and through self-funding? This will take time (2-3 years). A group of volunteers is needed, both as a placebo group and the treated group. The numbers should be above 500. There needs to be an accepted method of choosing who is who, and volunteers to administer the information collection. There needs to be testing. MRIs are accepted as a diagnostic tool and as a means of evaluating progression. The " burden of lesions " is examined. Gadolinium is used to determine whether lesions are " active " or not. There is a scale for disability called ESS which is used to determine whether there has been disability progression. I would add to the above that there is lacking a means of determining a person's own assessment of things like balance, fatigue level, numbness, sensitivity to heat, etc. These can be addressed by surveys but the results may not be acceptable as proof of anything. There are objective measurements that can be done for things like strength, response times, reflex response times, fields of vision, eye abilities, etc. There are tests that can be run by physiologists, optometrists, occupational and other therapists. What is intended to be proven? That LDN stops MS progression? In RRMS, CPMS, SPMS, PPMS? That further healing can take place over a period of years? Under what other conditions, and with what dietary and medical regimes? What are the " exit criteria " ? In other words, when is enough enough? I figure the testing is the main expense, as it all has to be done by professionals. A neurologist must evaluate the results. Does anyone here know of doctors, nurses, and therapists who might volunteer for such an effort? Some money would be needed for MRIs. -Sullivan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Well then Jimmy, welcome aboard. Nice to have you here. In here we all are learning, as you can see from the email Keely sent about the pleura cancer. In the end our main goal is sweep disease of the earth. greetings, Esther Jimmy wrote: You make no attempt to sell this to anyone. You care not about the distribution of copying of your CDs. Your main goal seems to simply help as many people as possible. You use no clever marketing techniques to sell this nor try hard to prove this. I already new such techniques existed, I simply wanted to know if this community was legit. This community is obviously legit in both itss teachings and its goals. The idea to me was no where near farfetched for I already possess abilities that some would deem " impossible " just like this curing. I'm was just looking for a legit community to learn from and also share my findings with. I myself possess no disease but my next door neighbor has cancer, and my best friend (who is only 19) has heart problems. I am on a journy to mastery of the mind/body/soul. My desire is to use all the potential that our minds, and bodies give us. One bad habit people have is when one finds out that the paranormal and that one can do things not thought possible they tend to believe everything. I must be critical of the communities I join and the products I buy for they may indeed be BS. I see now this community and the teachings is legitimate and sincere which is in the end all I needed to know. journey2genius.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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