PLEASE HELP!

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This is what I have to do to get amino acids in my son.... Maybe it will work for supplements too. I make a mixture of peanut butter, fleischman's unsalted margarine, and powdered sugar. Mix it well , then form into balls. add whatever meds you need to get in him into each ball and mix well. Melt 1/2 pkg semi sweet choc chips and add a little parafin wax. Dip peanut butter / med mixture into chocolate and let dry on wax paper. Then give him how ever many a day you need to! I have found that peanut butter covers nasty tastes better than anything! Dean thinks he is really getting a special treat when I pull out the " candy " !!!! Good luck, maybe this will work for you!

Maranie Mom to :Dean 4, PDD-NOS; 9, NT; and Zack 12, NT

[ ] Please help!

Our son Ben has never liked taking supplements, but this round, he's absolutely refusing to let anything down. I have tried every possible way I can think of, and ways previously posted on the list, but he's not swallowing them. He just holds them at the back of his throat and spits them out (expressed or otherwise). And, he's getting more upset every time he has to have them. He starts generating this phlegm like stuff in his mouth and throat and starts screaming and crying.

Please help. If there is any other way, other than previously posted, that you have found to get your child to take supplements, please let me know. He is only three and doesn't get the whole bribe thing, so that doesn't work either.

Kris

aka@...

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Kris

Maybe we overdo our supplementation and that turns them off. I know

I did that last week by oversupplementing zinc. It made my daughter

want to throw up. Fortunately she understood my explanation and has

softened her resolve not to take her supplements but she was very

upset for the next few days. Maybe this is the only way he has of

telling you something made him feel sick. I still feel stupid about

what i did last week with her zinc. sheepishly. We really need

to listen (with ears, eyes and heart) to what they are saying. Much

love and good luck, KenG

--- In egroups, " Al and Kris Asker " <aka@m...>

wrote:

> Our son Ben has never liked taking supplements, but this round,

he's absolutely refusing to let anything down. I have tried every

possible way I can think of, and ways previously posted on the list,

but he's not swallowing them. He just holds them at the back of his

throat and spits them out (expressed or otherwise). And, he's

getting more upset every time he has to have them. He starts

generating this phlegm like stuff in his mouth and throat and starts

screaming and crying.

> Please help. If there is any other way, other than previously

posted, that you have found to get your child to take supplements,

please let me know. He is only three and doesn't get the whole bribe

thing, so that doesn't work either.

>

> Kris

> aka@m...

[Guest guest]

Don't know if this will help, but we used to break open

capsules, mix with fruit syrup (find in the maple syrup aisle - brands

are smuckers, knotts) then shoot it in a medicine syringe into his

mouth. I've been able to get lots of nasty stuff in this way.

If kid is very resistant, start with just the syrup until he knows it

tastes good, then add supplements gradually. My guy liked

Raspberry, Boysenberry best.

Good luck!

Terri

At 08:47 AM 10/28/00 -0600, you wrote:

Our son Ben

has never liked taking supplements, but this round, he's absolutely

refusing to let anything down. I have tried every possible way I

can think of, and ways previously posted on the list, but he's not

swallowing them. He just holds them at the back of his throat and

spits them out (expressed or otherwise). And, he's getting more

upset every time he has to have them. He starts generating this

phlegm like stuff in his mouth and throat and starts screaming and

crying.

Please help. If there is any other

way, other than previously posted, that you have found to get your child

to take supplements, please let me know. He is only three and

doesn't get the whole bribe thing, so that doesn't work

either.

Kris

aka@...

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I don't know which supplements you're using, but I crush most pills (and empty capsule contents) and add them to pearsauce. If your child can eat things like pudding or such, I would add them in and Don't mention supplements. You could also add them in with rice dishes or cereal or whatever he eats well.

Good luck. that's a tough one!

[ ] Please help!

Our son Ben has never liked taking supplements, but this round, he's absolutely refusing to let anything down. I have tried every possible way I can think of, and ways previously posted on the list, but he's not swallowing them. He just holds them at the back of his throat and spits them out (expressed or otherwise). And, he's getting more upset every time he has to have them. He starts generating this phlegm like stuff in his mouth and throat and starts screaming and crying.

Please help. If there is any other way, other than previously posted, that you have found to get your child to take supplements, please let me know. He is only three and doesn't get the whole bribe thing, so that doesn't work either.

Kris

aka@...

[Guest guest]

Hi!, Some of this has been posted before, so, I'm sorry folks, but

this is a struggle for everybody with really little ones. I'll give

you what we have FINALLY managed with my 4 year old grandson (3 when

we started). I hope it helps and is not something you have heard

before. We FINALLY went to allherb.com and under supplements, brands

went to " source natural " (gf/cf-good brand as you know) All that we

could get in " sublingual " we did (orange or peppermint available) they

can chew them up (if grit is not a sensory issue) or if it is they

will disolve in liquid. Also, being sublingual, it is absorbed into

the blood stream even if it is the vessels in the gut wall and you get

more absorbtion rate if the gut is a problem. (side benefit, we were

just trying to figure out something that would dissolve!!!!!) They

even have coenzyme-10 and B. " Chem-Defense " has molybdenum and

glutathione and I think B-1;if your childs protocal includes these.

also b-1 by its self etc. (all 1/2 price right now too)

There is a " hic-up cup " that we found didn't work for us, (he still

tryed to chew, and there ya go again!) I will include the manf./etc.

It is hard to explain, but, there is a lip that extends past the rim

of the cup that kind of holds the tongue down. A " platform " for a pill

to rest on is about 1/2 in down inside the rim. You put fluid in the

cup, rest the pill on the " shelf/platform " and tip it up...should go

to the back of the throat and be swallowed. Someone suggested

tic-tac's for practice swallowing pills, could test that way...if he

chewed, it wouldn't matter until you could find out if this worked.

Here is what I have on the cup. called " Hic-up stopper with pill taker

feature " by: Apothecary Products, Item # 67122 - office in Minn., MI -

sorry, no # on it. A good drug store should be able to get it for

you.

Last the awful, awful, yucky smelly DMSA - Put it in a little strong

flavored liquid that your child will take (about 1 to 1/2 " of Sunny D

works for my daughter) in a sippy cup with the lid on tight and cover

the " sucking " hole with your finger until you get it in their mouth.

You can get it in that way!!!! Try real hard not to let them stop

until it is all gone. They don't taste it - 'til they stop.

She has spent a ton of money, time, tears (YOU KNOW!!) and this is

working for us. I hope at least PART of this works for you...

Oh! if the pills are not " gel caps " oil them, so they will SLIDE down

on the pill cup thing.

LOL, what you mom's and dad's (and grammy's too) go through. And

everybody keeps saying, " the faster you can get them to swallow a

pill, the better off you'll be, keep working on it " UGHHHHHHH!!!

One LAST thing. Someone posted about brainworks liquid sup. tasting

good and going down well in liquid. It does. It is lemoney and doesn't

taste to " vitaminy " ya know?? It is at brainworks.com and if you

e-mail, they will send a sample (money not wasted - again!) It doesn't

have everything just right, so she is adding to it with sublinguals.

They have I,II and III but II and III had thing he shouldn't have and

III, I believe had ALA. So, check it out. She tried #I, it was closest

to his protocol.

It has been such a struggle, as you know, so, I hope ANY of this

helps. (Sorry this is so long)

Ann/grammy to:

dean/4

bryan/12

toxic...but getting better

--- In egroups, " Al and Kris Asker " <aka@m...>

wrote:

> Our son Ben has never liked taking supplements, but this round, he's

absolutely refusing to let anything down. I have tried every possible

way I can think of, and ways previously posted on the list, but he's

not swallowing them. He just holds them at the back of his throat and

spits them out (expressed or otherwise). And, he's getting more upset

every time he has to have them. He starts generating this phlegm like

stuff in his mouth and throat and starts screaming and crying.

> Please help. If there is any other way, other than previously

posted, that you have found to get your child to take supplements,

please let me know. He is only three and doesn't get the whole bribe

thing, so that doesn't work either.

>

> Kris

> aka@m...

[Guest guest]

LOL - and this is my daughter and the " rest of the story... " Yes, she

will do ANYTHING to get it in him!!!

Ann/grammy to:

dean/4

bryan/12

toxic...but getting better

--- In egroups, " Maranie " <maranie@b...>

wrote:

> This is what I have to do to get amino acids in my son.... Maybe it

will work for supplements too. I make a mixture of peanut butter,

fleischman's unsalted margarine, and powdered sugar. Mix it well ,

then form into balls. add whatever meds you need to get in him into

each ball and mix well. Melt 1/2 pkg semi sweet choc chips and add a

little parafin wax. Dip peanut butter / med mixture into chocolate

and let dry on wax paper. Then give him how ever many a day you need

to! I have found that peanut butter covers nasty tastes better than

anything! Dean thinks he is really getting a special treat when I

pull out the " candy " !!!! Good luck, maybe this will work for

you!

>

>

> Maranie

> Mom to :Dean 4, PDD-NOS; 9, NT; and Zack 12, NT

> [ ] Please help!

>

>

> Our son Ben has never liked taking supplements, but this round, he's

absolutely refusing to let anything down. I have tried every possible

way I can think of, and ways previously posted on the list, but he's

not swallowing them. He just holds them at the back of his throat and

spits them out (expressed or otherwise). And, he's getting more upset

every time he has to have them. He starts generating this phlegm like

stuff in his mouth and throat and starts screaming and crying.

> Please help. If there is any other way, other than previously

posted, that you have found to get your child to take supplements,

please let me know. He is only three and doesn't get the whole bribe

thing, so that doesn't work either.

>

> Kris

> aka@m...

>

>

> eGroups Sponsor

>

>

>

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I put the pill on the back of Kenny's tongue, then PUSH IT DOWN the throat and quickly close his mouth. Like giving a pill to an animal.

(Cary, NC)persistentC@...

[ ] Please help!

Our son Ben has never liked taking supplements, but this round, he's absolutely refusing to let anything down. I have tried every possible way I can think of, and ways previously posted on the list, but he's not swallowing them. He just holds them at the back of his throat and spits them out (expressed or otherwise). And, he's getting more upset every time he has to have them. He starts generating this phlegm like stuff in his mouth and throat and starts screaming and crying.

Please help. If there is any other way, other than previously posted, that you have found to get your child to take supplements, please let me know. He is only three and doesn't get the whole bribe thing, so that doesn't work either.

Kris

aka@...

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Wow, I could've written this saga myself! Unfortunately, I had almost the *exact* same situation with my son several years ago. What I found most effective was to speak (extensively <g>) with Cantor who is an amazing resource in terms of advocacy and placement (she's the director of Summit Speech School, if I recall her name correctly), and Therese Sheehan at the State Department of Education.

My son was initially denied services, and my dh and I sat down and wrote a 4 page letter outlining the "error of their ways" and requested a due process hearing, which at least got us a second round of evaluations with more qualified personnel.

I can so clearly remember thinking I'd jumped on a lifeboat when I contacted Special Services, and very quickly realizing the horrible reality. Best of luck, , please contact me if I can be of any help to you.

-Elyssa

Mom to Schuyler (7, hearing impaired, CAPD, possible AS, possible TS), Aubrey (4), and Teagan (20 months, possible apraxia)

Princeton, NJ, formerly Wyckoff, NJ

In a message dated 5/10/2001 1:50:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, md070264@... writes:

Hi Everyone,

My son Bobby had his speech eval today for the special ed. program at our public school. May 10 at 8:15 am . I am a little concerned and I need some help and advice on where to go from here. Let me explain.

The SLP did his eval. and his case worker watched and took notes. They both commented on how well behaved he was and that his receptive and cognitive scores were extremely high,well above his age level. He will be 3 in July. I had a chance to speak to both of them after the eval while they observed him interacting with the other children in the class. Again they were shocked with his social skills as well. The SLP told me his expressive lang. was about 18 months or under but could'nt really give me an assessment until she did her report. The social worker told me she wants to test him May 17 for his ability to learn. When I questioned her why she told me that in order to qualify for their program a child has to have a disability and that disability has to inhibit them from learning. And then proceeded to hint because Bobby scored so high on his receptive and cognitive part of the SLP eval that he might not even qualify for their program.

Okay so now I am in a total panic. I then said well the fact that my son has little speech and can not communicate is'nt that going to inhibit his learning? She said not really let's see how he does in the eval and go from there. So now I am in a total panic. Bobby is very intelligent for his age but I believe it's because he over compensates because of his lack of speech. I have heard that most apraxic kids are well above their age level in receptive lang for that very reason. So now I'm afraid that they won't accept him in the program because he's to smart. Doe's that make any sense to any one? I knew I was going to have a fight on my hands because I want to prove their program can not provide Bobby the speech therapy he needs because they will only give him one on one speech once a week and he needs it 4 times a week. I want them to send him out of district to the Summit Speech School. I never dreamed he would'nt qualify for their program.

If there is any one out there who has run into the same problem or if you know of someone I can contact about his rights and where to go from here please let me know. I don't know what to do next and I'm so afraid. I need as much info as I can get my hands on so I can fight for my son. I feel like bursting into tears, he has come so far since he was diag. and I don't want him regress. I'm so afraid he won't get the help he needs because of red tape.

Thanks Mom to Bobby almost 3 and almost 5 Bernardsville NJ

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This is for , don't feel like the lone ranger here! I have two air quality reports done about 6 months apart and both are so badly contaminated. I have three doctors who has written me letters to never return back to that building. But guess what worker's comp just denied my claim again!!! so the reports that cost about $75,000.00 total did not do us any good at all. I have a list of illness's that are from that building, number one thing is migraines, they say all of my sinus infections (three months straight) are pre-existing and the migraines, rashes, swollen face. are all pre-existing. I have recently had spinal cord surgery to have a shunt put in as well. I guess they will try and tell me that that was pre-existing. I am beginning to believe there is no help for us. I have been home going on my third month leave without pay. I had to file bankruptcy etc. I can understand what you are saying 100% just hang in there and what ever you do don't give up. I have two suits going on. One against WC and the second against the owner of the building. every time I think things are going good WC puts a kink in it. but I got new for them, I AM NOT GOING AWAY!! sorry, just had to vent my self. good luck.

Donna

----- Original Message -----

From: Barth

Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:04 AM

Subject: [] Please Help!

I just called the nasty editor of this story about the fact that thispaper would never print any kind of article on toxic mold, nor wouldthey do a story on my case without proof of tying my illness to thebuilding. That was because Uniprise refused to give my doctors theirair quality reports. I never had the money to test the building myselfso consequently wound up not being able to collect a penny for myillnesses for the past 3 years.If any of you have the time, please write to the online editor of thefollowing story:http://www.dailyfreeman.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=5276846 & BRD=1769 & PAG=461 & dept_id=72588Uniprise displays progressBy: JONATHAN MENT, Freeman staff September 06, 2002TOWN OF ULSTER - Uniprise, a health insurance processing company,showcased $7 million in renovations at its Boices Lane building Thursdayduring a press conference and tour of the site. <snip> BarthTOXIC MOLD SURVEY: www.presenting.net/sbs/sbssurvey.htmlPUBLISH YOUR STORY: www.presenting.net/sbs/sbsstoryform.htmlFAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

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There us such a thing as Freedom of Information Act where they HAVE to give you this, but you have to go about writing it the right way. I only know as I am going through this because of a federal building in a shipyard and was told by union. If I can find the example way back in my emails I will send it here. Maybe its just for the government but worth looking into. I dont blame you for being upset. I was ambushed by high officials the other day while I was very sick and emotional. I wish you the best...Janet

[Guest guest]

Dear Donna! YYYEESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am doing same no matter HOW sick I am. I WONT GO AWAY!!!! Hang in there. Im doiung this oretty sick myself.................mines with federal workmans comp. Janet

[Guest guest]

I have been taking LDN for some time now with good results.

Yesterday, I had occasion to visit with someone who has ALS. He

desperately needs naltrexone, but can no longer leave the house.

I remember seeing some postings about doctors available by phone who

will write the script for naltrexone. I also know how supportive

the people in this group are.

Anyone who has any information for my friend in New Jersey, please

email him. His name is Willie and his email address is

Bruno708@...

Thank you all.

Jeff

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I had saline implants inserted 15 years ago. For the first 8yrs. I was very active, worked had 2 kids and ran 4 miles a day. Then in 2001, I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia, I had a cervical fusion and started hurting all over after that. It has been down hill ever since. The only health problems I had before 2001 was TMJ and had 2 surgeries for that. I want to get my implants out with Dr. Feng. Do you know if insurance will possibly cover? I know it is about 8000. All these years, I have thought my implants were fine and know i have been diagnosed with an autoimmune disease in which the thyroid attacks thyroid cells, they see them as a foreign invader. I have no thyroid functioning and I have never had a weight problem. i have always weighed 130 and now in less than 3 years my weight has gone up to 180. Do any of you have Hashimoto's thyroid? and lastly, do any of you have an increased c-reactive protein? It increases in your body if you have inflammation and it is a major risk factor for heart disease. It makes your coronary arteries inflame and you are more prone to heart attacks. I am so sick of doctors telling you none of the above is related to breast implants. Gynecologist, primary, rheumy, endocrinologist. They all act like if you are happy with yourself leave them alone. Please give me so feedback. I am desperate...

[Guest guest]

>Anyone with ideas to help this young woman?

Her email is: blondie@...

>Please help us! My daughter in law had breast implants 2 years ago. They

>are leaking into her body. She is in pain and sick most of the time.

>She has no medical insurance. She has since found out things about the

>surgeon that put in the implants (silicone) He misled her, lied to her

>and will not deal with her now. She needs them out! And a lawyer who is

>willing to take her case and be paid with money that she would get in a

>settlement because she has no money to pay an attorney. We took her to the

>emergency room last weekend and got a chest x ray and blood

>test. We can't read them. We have them but need a doctors help! We live in

>the San Diego area. Can you put us in touch with someone/anyone

>that can help? Please! Please help us, we have tried to get help but when

>you have no medical insurance or money, nobody is willing to help.

>This is a beautiful young woman who is suffering and needs help! Please

>help us! I will leave you her name and phone number.

>

>

>(619) 938-0861

>

[Guest guest]

If she has no money or assets she should apply for medicaid to pay her medical expenses That is all I know to do. Maybe someone else has other ideas. Anita Fwd: Please Help! >Anyone with ideas to help this young woman?Her email is: blondie@...>Please help us! My daughter in law had breast implants 2 years ago. They >are leaking into her body. She is in pain and sick most of the time.>She has no medical insurance. She has since found out things about the >surgeon that put in the implants (silicone) He misled her, lied to her>and will not deal with her now. She needs them out! And a lawyer who is >willing to take her case and be paid with money that she would get in a>settlement because she has no money to pay an attorney We took her to the >emergency room last weekend and got a chest x ray and blood>test. We can't read them. We have them but need a doctors help! We live in >the San Diego area. Can you put us in touch with someone/anyone>that can help? Please! Please help us, we have tried to get help but when >you have no medical insurance or money, nobody is willing to help.>This is a beautiful young woman who is suffering and needs help! Please >help us! I will leave you her name and phone number.>> >(619) 938-0861>

[Guest guest]

Please send suggestions directly to her, as I provided the contact info.

Thanks,

Lynda

At 04:53 PM 12/21/2004, you wrote:

>If she has no money or assets she should apply for medicaid to pay her

>medical expenses That is all I know to do. Maybe someone else has other

>ideas. Anita

>

> Fwd: Please Help!

>

>

>

> >Anyone with ideas to help this young woman?

>

>

>Her email is: blondie@...

>

> >Please help us! My daughter in law had breast implants 2 years ago. They

> >are leaking into her body. She is in pain and sick most of the time.

> >She has no medical insurance. She has since found out things about the

> >surgeon that put in the implants (silicone) He misled her, lied to her

> >and will not deal with her now. She needs them out! And a lawyer who is

> >willing to take her case and be paid with money that she would get in a

> >settlement because she has no money to pay an attorney We took her to the

> >emergency room last weekend and got a chest x ray and blood

> >test. We can't read them. We have them but need a doctors help! We live in

> >the San Diego area. Can you put us in touch with someone/anyone

> >that can help? Please! Please help us, we have tried to get help but when

> >you have no medical insurance or money, nobody is willing to help.

> >This is a beautiful young woman who is suffering and needs help! Please

> >help us! I will leave you her name and phone number.

> >

> >

> >(619) 938-0861

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The only other thing I can think of is for her to go

the county hospital and request that they be removed

immediately. . . Of course, getting them properly

removed is another issue.

Dr. Gilbert Lee in San Diego may be able to give her

some ideas. He would be an ideal doctor to remove

them, if she could afford him.

Rogene

--- anita kessler <AnitaK001@...> wrote:

> If she has no money or assets she should apply for

> medicaid to pay her medical expenses. That is all I

> know to do. Maybe someone else has other ideas.

> Anita

>

> Fwd: Please Help!

>

>

>

> >Anyone with ideas to help this young woman?

>

>

> Her email is: blondie@...

>

> >Please help us! My daughter in law had breast

> implants 2 years ago. They

> >are leaking into her body. She is in pain and sick

> most of the time.

> >She has no medical insurance. She has since found

> out things about the

> >surgeon that put in the implants (silicone) He

> misled her, lied to her

> >and will not deal with her now. She needs them out!

> And a lawyer who is

> >willing to take her case and be paid with money

> that she would get in a

> >settlement because she has no money to pay an

> attorney. We took her to the

> >emergency room last weekend and got a chest x ray

> and blood

> >test. We can't read them. We have them but need a

> doctors help! We live in

> >the San Diego area. Can you put us in touch with

> someone/anyone

> >that can help? Please! Please help us, we have

> tried to get help but when

> >you have no medical insurance or money, nobody is

> willing to help.

> >This is a beautiful young woman who is suffering

> and needs help! Please

> >help us! I will leave you her name and phone

> number.

> >

> >

> >(619) 938-0861

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I CC'd the message to her.

Rogene

--- Lynda <coss@...> wrote:

> Please send suggestions directly to her, as I

> provided the contact info.

>

> Thanks,

> Lynda

>

> At 04:53 PM 12/21/2004, you wrote:

> >If she has no money or assets she should apply for

> medicaid to pay her

> >medical expenses That is all I know to do. Maybe

> someone else has other

> >ideas. Anita

> >

> > Fwd: Please Help!

> >

> >

> >

> > >Anyone with ideas to help this young woman?

> >

> >

> >Her email is: blondie@...

> >

> > >Please help us! My daughter in law had breast

> implants 2 years ago. They

> > >are leaking into her body. She is in pain and

> sick most of the time.

> > >She has no medical insurance. She has since found

> out things about the

> > >surgeon that put in the implants (silicone) He

> misled her, lied to her

> > >and will not deal with her now. She needs them

> out! And a lawyer who is

> > >willing to take her case and be paid with money

> that she would get in a

> > >settlement because she has no money to pay an

> attorney We took her to the

> > >emergency room last weekend and got a chest x ray

> and blood

> > >test. We can't read them. We have them but need a

> doctors help! We live in

> > >the San Diego area. Can you put us in touch with

> someone/anyone

> > >that can help? Please! Please help us, we have

> tried to get help but when

> > >you have no medical insurance or money, nobody is

> willing to help.

> > >This is a beautiful young woman who is suffering

> and needs help! Please

> > >help us! I will leave you her name and phone

> number.

> > >

> > >

> > >(619) 938-0861

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I went to Ebay, signed on, then queried for Breast

implant removal or explant (I don't remember which). .

..

There was one woman offering to have her explant

filmed, but it doesn't sound like ktitko! She said she

would use the doctor of their choice!!!!????

Rogene

--- anita kessler <AnitaK001@...> wrote:

> When I clicked on the link it didn't work. Anita

>

> PLEASE HELP!

>

>

>

> Ok ladies... this is a very crazy thing I am doing

> and I hope it

> doesn't backfire on me. I have created a very

> special Ebay auction to

> try to help pay for my explant with Dr. Feng. I need

> all of you to

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[Guest guest]

Barbara & group, I just joined, & this sounds like my story. I've been in my

building for 4 years & ever since I've become sicker & sicker. Spent thousands

on my health care to get better to no avail. I told my manager several time that

the building had mold & should be checked & he never did it. He too is suffering

from symtoms now. But he's leaving to a new job. I am kicking myself for not

pushing this before.

A while ago my md found a spot on my lungs. Had no idea what is. Now I need to

check it out for Aspergilosis. How can I get this diagnosed?

Were you able to claim worker's comp? I am so sick, fatigued all day. Migraine

headaches. I talked to a lawyer today about WC & she said I have to have prove

of the cause.Tested connection. There is an environmental doctor that can test

(expensive) to see what it is in the blood? What did you or anyone have done?

Then she said I have to have the proof that there are those toxins in the

building. Will they test if they know they are going to be liable???

Has anyone claimed WC successfully. I know this is hard to prove. My coworkers

are sick also but not as bad as I am. I cannot go back into the office. I am

working from home for now but they are hiring a new manager & I don't know where

things are going to go from here.

I am going to fire an email to HR this weekend to urge them to test & treat

immediately. The owner of my co just sold this toxic building about 6 mos ago.

They new owner is cleaning it but he is just spewing the mold everywhere & we

are all more sick from that.

I'm so stressed because without my income we cannot afford to stay in our house.

Our house needs some repair before we can sell it. My kids love it here, I don't

want to move but if I don't get workers comp or get better which seems far

fetched in the near future anyway, we have to reduce our expenses.

Has anyone used Oil of Oregano to kill the mold in the body? I bought the book

The cure is in the cupboard & it sounds amazing.

I appreciate any help I can get. Thank you, Loni

Moderator <-owner > wrote:

Hello,

Welcome to the Sickbuildings.By sharing information on indoor air quality,we can

all learn how to build safe buildings and make our offices,homes and schools a

healthier place to be.This list serves as an archive for information,direct

support and understanding, news/articles personal accounts of exposure to

contaminated indoor air.For many who have been exposed to toxins in their

environment(particularly toxic molds),illnesses and diseases can go far beyond

mere headaches,chronic fatigue,flu-like symptoms and sinusitis,to life

threatening asthma,toxic encephalopathy,cancer and autoimmune diseases like

chronic fatigue syndrome,multiple chemical sensitivity(MCS),lupus,arthritis and

fibromyalgia.The longer you remain in a contaminated building the lesser your

chances are for an early diagnosis and treatment to begin to regain your health

when you leave.

I was exposed for over five years to toxic molds (stachybotrus, aspergillus and

penicillin) and along with many of my co-workers,became very ill and

totally,permanently disabled with several immune system diseases and chronic

pain.There was little,if any information available, directions on how to seek

medical treatment,educate your doctor, determine a prognosis or other

information available,nor was there a place to interact with folks who

understood about this experience and the direct consequences sick buildings can

have on the health of the building's inhabitants.Hopefully, this list will serve

to bring the issue of indoor air problems into the open where people will

realize how serious this problem is and enact strict laws to prevent others from

being exposed to toxins.Most people continue to have misconceptions about indoor

air and assume they are protected by laws and common sense,they aren't.As this

epidemic continues,it pays to become an advocate to continue the fight to

prevent others from being exposed.

Thanks,

Barbara Herskovitz

The List Owner

KC ( Carstens)

Moderator

[Guest guest]

You need to see a pulmonologist. Only a lawyer can tell you if you have a

workman's comp case. You do have to have proof and a doctor's deposition or

testimony stating the workplace is the cause.

Rosser <rossercustomhomes@...> wrote:

Barbara & group, I just joined, & this sounds like my story. I've been in my

building for 4 years & ever since I've become sicker & sicker. Spent thousands

on my health care to get better to no avail. I told my manager several time that

the building had mold & should be checked & he never did it. He too is suffering

from symtoms now. But he's leaving to a new job. I am kicking myself for not

pushing this before.

A while ago my md found a spot on my lungs. Had no idea what is. Now I need to

check it out for Aspergilosis. How can I get this diagnosed?

Were you able to claim worker's comp? I am so sick, fatigued all day. Migraine

headaches. I talked to a lawyer today about WC & she said I have to have prove

of the cause.Tested connection. There is an environmental doctor that can test

(expensive) to see what it is in the blood? What did you or anyone have done?

Then she said I have to have the proof that there are those toxins in the

building. Will they test if they know they are going to be liable???

Has anyone claimed WC successfully. I know this is hard to prove. My coworkers

are sick also but not as bad as I am. I cannot go back into the office. I am

working from home for now but they are hiring a new manager & I don't know where

things are going to go from here.

I am going to fire an email to HR this weekend to urge them to test & treat

immediately. The owner of my co just sold this toxic building about 6 mos ago.

They new owner is cleaning it but he is just spewing the mold everywhere & we

are all more sick from that.

I'm so stressed because without my income we cannot afford to stay in our house.

Our house needs some repair before we can sell it. My kids love it here, I don't

want to move but if I don't get workers comp or get better which seems far

fetched in the near future anyway, we have to reduce our expenses.

Has anyone used Oil of Oregano to kill the mold in the body? I bought the book

The cure is in the cupboard & it sounds amazing.

I appreciate any help I can get. Thank you, Loni

Moderator <-owner > wrote:

Hello,

Welcome to the Sickbuildings.By sharing information on indoor air quality,we can

all learn how to build safe buildings and make our offices,homes and schools a

healthier place to be.This list serves as an archive for information,direct

support and understanding, news/articles personal accounts of exposure to

contaminated indoor air.For many who have been exposed to toxins in their

environment(particularly toxic molds),illnesses and diseases can go far beyond

mere headaches,chronic fatigue,flu-like symptoms and sinusitis,to life

threatening asthma,toxic encephalopathy,cancer and autoimmune diseases like

chronic fatigue syndrome,multiple chemical sensitivity(MCS),lupus,arthritis and

fibromyalgia.The longer you remain in a contaminated building the lesser your

chances are for an early diagnosis and treatment to begin to regain your health

when you leave.

I was exposed for over five years to toxic molds (stachybotrus, aspergillus and

penicillin) and along with many of my co-workers,became very ill and

totally,permanently disabled with several immune system diseases and chronic

pain.There was little,if any information available, directions on how to seek

medical treatment,educate your doctor, determine a prognosis or other

information available,nor was there a place to interact with folks who

understood about this experience and the direct consequences sick buildings can

have on the health of the building's inhabitants.Hopefully, this list will serve

to bring the issue of indoor air problems into the open where people will

realize how serious this problem is and enact strict laws to prevent others from

being exposed to toxins.Most people continue to have misconceptions about indoor

air and assume they are protected by laws and common sense,they aren't.As this

epidemic continues,it pays to become an advocate to continue the fight to

prevent others from being exposed.

Thanks,

Barbara Herskovitz

The List Owner

KC ( Carstens)

Moderator

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, What is a pulmonologist? Loni

Kathy <kathywnb@...> wrote:You need to see a pulmonologist. Only

a lawyer can tell you if you have a workman's comp case. You do have to have

proof and a doctor's deposition or testimony stating the workplace is the cause.

Rosser <rossercustomhomes@...> wrote:

Barbara & group, I just joined, & this sounds like my story. I've been in my

building for 4 years & ever since I've become sicker & sicker. Spent thousands

on my health care to get better to no avail. I told my manager several time that

the building had mold & should be checked & he never did it. He too is suffering

from symtoms now. But he's leaving to a new job. I am kicking myself for not

pushing this before.

A while ago my md found a spot on my lungs. Had no idea what is. Now I need to

check it out for Aspergilosis. How can I get this diagnosed?

Were you able to claim worker's comp? I am so sick, fatigued all day. Migraine

headaches. I talked to a lawyer today about WC & she said I have to have prove

of the cause.Tested connection. There is an environmental doctor that can test

(expensive) to see what it is in the blood? What did you or anyone have done?

Then she said I have to have the proof that there are those toxins in the

building. Will they test if they know they are going to be liable???

Has anyone claimed WC successfully. I know this is hard to prove. My coworkers

are sick also but not as bad as I am. I cannot go back into the office. I am

working from home for now but they are hiring a new manager & I don't know where

things are going to go from here.

I am going to fire an email to HR this weekend to urge them to test & treat

immediately. The owner of my co just sold this toxic building about 6 mos ago.

They new owner is cleaning it but he is just spewing the mold everywhere & we

are all more sick from that.

I'm so stressed because without my income we cannot afford to stay in our house.

Our house needs some repair before we can sell it. My kids love it here, I don't

want to move but if I don't get workers comp or get better which seems far

fetched in the near future anyway, we have to reduce our expenses.

Has anyone used Oil of Oregano to kill the mold in the body? I bought the book

The cure is in the cupboard & it sounds amazing.

I appreciate any help I can get. Thank you, Loni

Moderator <-owner > wrote:

Hello,

Welcome to the Sickbuildings.By sharing information on indoor air quality,we can

all learn how to build safe buildings and make our offices,homes and schools a

healthier place to be.This list serves as an archive for information,direct

support and understanding, news/articles personal accounts of exposure to

contaminated indoor air.For many who have been exposed to toxins in their

environment(particularly toxic molds),illnesses and diseases can go far beyond

mere headaches,chronic fatigue,flu-like symptoms and sinusitis,to life

threatening asthma,toxic encephalopathy,cancer and autoimmune diseases like

chronic fatigue syndrome,multiple chemical sensitivity(MCS),lupus,arthritis and

fibromyalgia.The longer you remain in a contaminated building the lesser your

chances are for an early diagnosis and treatment to begin to regain your health

when you leave.

I was exposed for over five years to toxic molds (stachybotrus, aspergillus and

penicillin) and along with many of my co-workers,became very ill and

totally,permanently disabled with several immune system diseases and chronic

pain.There was little,if any information available, directions on how to seek

medical treatment,educate your doctor, determine a prognosis or other

information available,nor was there a place to interact with folks who

understood about this experience and the direct consequences sick buildings can

have on the health of the building's inhabitants.Hopefully, this list will serve

to bring the issue of indoor air problems into the open where people will

realize how serious this problem is and enact strict laws to prevent others from

being exposed to toxins.Most people continue to have misconceptions about indoor

air and assume they are protected by laws and common sense,they aren't.As this

epidemic continues,it pays to become an advocate to continue the fight to

prevent others from being exposed.

Thanks,

Barbara Herskovitz

The List Owner

KC ( Carstens)

Moderator

[Guest guest]

A pulmonologist is a lung doctor. If you have a spot on your lung your PC

doctor should refer you to on. Thanks for the support. I'm rmemember you too.

Rosser <rossercustomhomes@...> wrote:Hmmm, What is a pulmonologist?

Loni

Kathy <kathywnb@...> wrote:You need to see a pulmonologist. Only

a lawyer can tell you if you have a workman's comp case. You do have to have

proof and a doctor's deposition or testimony stating the workplace is the cause.

Rosser <rossercustomhomes@...> wrote:

Barbara & group, I just joined, & this sounds like my story. I've been in my

building for 4 years & ever since I've become sicker & sicker. Spent thousands

on my health care to get better to no avail. I told my manager several time that

the building had mold & should be checked & he never did it. He too is suffering

from symtoms now. But he's leaving to a new job. I am kicking myself for not

pushing this before.

A while ago my md found a spot on my lungs. Had no idea what is. Now I need to

check it out for Aspergilosis. How can I get this diagnosed?

Were you able to claim worker's comp? I am so sick, fatigued all day. Migraine

headaches. I talked to a lawyer today about WC & she said I have to have prove

of the cause.Tested connection. There is an environmental doctor that can test

(expensive) to see what it is in the blood? What did you or anyone have done?

Then she said I have to have the proof that there are those toxins in the

building. Will they test if they know they are going to be liable???

Has anyone claimed WC successfully. I know this is hard to prove. My coworkers

are sick also but not as bad as I am. I cannot go back into the office. I am

working from home for now but they are hiring a new manager & I don't know where

things are going to go from here.

I am going to fire an email to HR this weekend to urge them to test & treat

immediately. The owner of my co just sold this toxic building about 6 mos ago.

They new owner is cleaning it but he is just spewing the mold everywhere & we

are all more sick from that.

I'm so stressed because without my income we cannot afford to stay in our house.

Our house needs some repair before we can sell it. My kids love it here, I don't

want to move but if I don't get workers comp or get better which seems far

fetched in the near future anyway, we have to reduce our expenses.

Has anyone used Oil of Oregano to kill the mold in the body? I bought the book

The cure is in the cupboard & it sounds amazing.

I appreciate any help I can get. Thank you, Loni

Moderator <-owner > wrote:

Hello,

Welcome to the Sickbuildings.By sharing information on indoor air quality,we can

all learn how to build safe buildings and make our offices,homes and schools a

healthier place to be.This list serves as an archive for information,direct

support and understanding, news/articles personal accounts of exposure to

contaminated indoor air.For many who have been exposed to toxins in their

environment(particularly toxic molds),illnesses and diseases can go far beyond

mere headaches,chronic fatigue,flu-like symptoms and sinusitis,to life

threatening asthma,toxic encephalopathy,cancer and autoimmune diseases like

chronic fatigue syndrome,multiple chemical sensitivity(MCS),lupus,arthritis and

fibromyalgia.The longer you remain in a contaminated building the lesser your

chances are for an early diagnosis and treatment to begin to regain your health

when you leave.

I was exposed for over five years to toxic molds (stachybotrus, aspergillus and

penicillin) and along with many of my co-workers,became very ill and

totally,permanently disabled with several immune system diseases and chronic

pain.There was little,if any information available, directions on how to seek

medical treatment,educate your doctor, determine a prognosis or other

information available,nor was there a place to interact with folks who

understood about this experience and the direct consequences sick buildings can

have on the health of the building's inhabitants.Hopefully, this list will serve

to bring the issue of indoor air problems into the open where people will

realize how serious this problem is and enact strict laws to prevent others from

being exposed to toxins.Most people continue to have misconceptions about indoor

air and assume they are protected by laws and common sense,they aren't.As this

epidemic continues,it pays to become an advocate to continue the fight to

prevent others from being exposed.

Thanks,

Barbara Herskovitz

The List Owner

KC ( Carstens)

Moderator

[Guest guest]

Loni,

I have spots in my lungs and body and they are Granulomatous lesions. They were

diagnosed after a Cat Scan. Mine were from inhaling Stachybotrys Mold and other

contaminates while at work.

I tried " Fungal Defense " and " Oil of Oregano " and nothing has changed. My Immune

system is very low and I have Immugamogoblin (sp) every 4 weeks. 48 grams of

IVIG. I don't know if that is why my body does not respond to the anti fungals

or if it is because my exposure was so severe.

I will keep trying though...if you hear of anything else, let me know.

I have not had any luck with WC yet, but I will keep at them. Good luck.

Marcie

Kathy <kathywnb@...> wrote:

A pulmonologist is a lung doctor. If you have a spot on your lung your PC

doctor should refer you to on. Thanks for the support. I'm rmemember you too.

Rosser <rossercustomhomes@...> wrote:Hmmm, What is a pulmonologist?

Loni

Kathy <kathywnb@...> wrote:You need to see a pulmonologist. Only

a lawyer can tell you if you have a workman's comp case. You do have to have

proof and a doctor's deposition or testimony stating the workplace is the cause.

Rosser <rossercustomhomes@...> wrote:

Barbara & group, I just joined, & this sounds like my story. I've been in my

building for 4 years & ever since I've become sicker & sicker. Spent thousands

on my health care to get better to no avail. I told my manager several time that

the building had mold & should be checked & he never did it. He too is suffering

from symtoms now. But he's leaving to a new job. I am kicking myself for not

pushing this before.

A while ago my md found a spot on my lungs. Had no idea what is. Now I need to

check it out for Aspergilosis. How can I get this diagnosed?

Were you able to claim worker's comp? I am so sick, fatigued all day. Migraine

headaches. I talked to a lawyer today about WC & she said I have to have prove

of the cause.Tested connection. There is an environmental doctor that can test

(expensive) to see what it is in the blood? What did you or anyone have done?

Then she said I have to have the proof that there are those toxins in the

building. Will they test if they know they are going to be liable???

Has anyone claimed WC successfully. I know this is hard to prove. My coworkers

are sick also but not as bad as I am. I cannot go back into the office. I am

working from home for now but they are hiring a new manager & I don't know where

things are going to go from here.

I am going to fire an email to HR this weekend to urge them to test & treat

immediately. The owner of my co just sold this toxic building about 6 mos ago.

They new owner is cleaning it but he is just spewing the mold everywhere & we

are all more sick from that.

I'm so stressed because without my income we cannot afford to stay in our house.

Our house needs some repair before we can sell it. My kids love it here, I don't

want to move but if I don't get workers comp or get better which seems far

fetched in the near future anyway, we have to reduce our expenses.

Has anyone used Oil of Oregano to kill the mold in the body? I bought the book

The cure is in the cupboard & it sounds amazing.

I appreciate any help I can get. Thank you, Loni

Moderator <-owner > wrote:

Hello,

Welcome to the Sickbuildings.By sharing information on indoor air quality,we can

all learn how to build safe buildings and make our offices,homes and schools a

healthier place to be.This list serves as an archive for information,direct

support and understanding, news/articles personal accounts of exposure to

contaminated indoor air.For many who have been exposed to toxins in their

environment(particularly toxic molds),illnesses and diseases can go far beyond

mere headaches,chronic fatigue,flu-like symptoms and sinusitis,to life

threatening asthma,toxic encephalopathy,cancer and autoimmune diseases like

chronic fatigue syndrome,multiple chemical sensitivity(MCS),lupus,arthritis and

fibromyalgia.The longer you remain in a contaminated building the lesser your

chances are for an early diagnosis and treatment to begin to regain your health

when you leave.

I was exposed for over five years to toxic molds (stachybotrus, aspergillus and

penicillin) and along with many of my co-workers,became very ill and

totally,permanently disabled with several immune system diseases and chronic

pain.There was little,if any information available, directions on how to seek

medical treatment,educate your doctor, determine a prognosis or other

information available,nor was there a place to interact with folks who

understood about this experience and the direct consequences sick buildings can

have on the health of the building's inhabitants.Hopefully, this list will serve

to bring the issue of indoor air problems into the open where people will

realize how serious this problem is and enact strict laws to prevent others from

being exposed to toxins.Most people continue to have misconceptions about indoor

air and assume they are protected by laws and common sense,they aren't.As this

epidemic continues,it pays to become an advocate to continue the fight to

prevent others from being exposed.

Thanks,

Barbara Herskovitz

The List Owner

KC ( Carstens)

Moderator

[Guest guest]

Marcie,

Have you checked this 'Oil of Oregano' out for potential toxicity?

Many of these aromatic plant oils get processed by the body in such a

way that they are carcinogenic.. Like Parsley, sage, dill, nutmeg,

anise, just FYI.

This is why they tell people to be sparing with parsley these days

So, ..Please ask your doctor about this.

I have a LOT of stuff to do today or I would volunteer to track it

down for you. Check TOPAS first.. (I think thats its name? The

toxicology database.)

BTW, I would think that you are eligable for Workmans Comp if you

received this lung injury while at work. Do you live in the USA?

So, actually, I felt bad about what I said above and spent a minute

looking and found these web pages.. (This isn't enough.. please do

some more research unless you only plan to take this stuff for a few

days.)

Check them out:

http://eethomp.com/AT/dangerous_oils.html

seems like.. Oil of oregano isn't one of the worst offenders.. Thank

God.. But it is 'orally toxic'.. in doses higher than they mention..

They say dont drink it, put only a few drops of it into a capsule..

And always with supplements, tell your doctor that you are taking it..

Even if they don't know anything about them, print the stuff you read

about it out and give it to them.

ESPECIALLY - DONT LET CHILDREN ANYWHERE NEAR IT.

Other pages on oil of oregano.. (looks interesting, I will def. give

this to my wofe, who seems to have this candida issue too, I am pretty

sure..Our apartment has a serious mold problem.)

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,10116,00.html

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/hc/resourceareas_more/1,2308,560,00.html

Oh, another thought.. I saw a study reecently that indicated that FISH

OIL was very useful in protecting the lungs from injury from mold-like

injuries.

Also, things like alpha-lipoic acid, n-acetyl-cysteine and ESPECIALLY,

lots of Vitamins C, E, selenium, zinc, folic acid, (megadoses of C,E,

and folic acid. You can take up to several MILLIgrams a day of folic

acid.. safely.. up to 10 times the RDA.

But with selenium, and some other vitamins like Vitamin A + D, you

have to really watch out that you aren't taking too much.. Ask your

doctor..

I'd also look into Coenzume Q10 and/or idebenone..

Good luck! And now I have to get off of here and do some work...

On 11/4/05, Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

> Loni,

>

> I have spots in my lungs and body and they are Granulomatous lesions. They

were diagnosed after a Cat Scan. Mine were from inhaling Stachybotrys Mold and

other contaminates while at work.

> I tried " Fungal Defense " and " Oil of Oregano " and nothing has changed. My

Immune system is very low and I have Immugamogoblin (sp) every 4 weeks. 48 grams

of IVIG. I don't know if that is why my body does not respond to the anti

fungals or if it is because my exposure was so severe.

> I will keep trying though...if you hear of anything else, let me know.

> I have not had any luck with WC yet, but I will keep at them. Good luck.

>

> Marcie

>