side effects

August 17, 2002

Hi!

The main reason 'acne' would be some kind of side effect is due to what

breast implant do to mess with your hormones; and this can get into a

lenghty explanation and discusstion. I would have to know a few more

details before I can be of significant help to you, however, I would venture

to say your implants are 'messing with your hormones', and I doubt that it

will get better with some OTC acne Medication. I will be happy to answer

any further questions that you may have, as long as you provide more details

of this problem; ie, type of implants, date of implants, onset of acne

problems, and any other unusual medical problems you have never noticed

before implantation.

Most sincerely,

MM

Martha Murdock, Director

National Silicone Implant Foundation | Dallas Headquarters

" Supporting Survivors of Medical Implant Devices "

4416 Willow Lane

Dallas, TX 75244-7537

----- Original Message -----

From: " soenlightened2002 " <bad_tendencies@...>

< >

Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:00 PM

Subject: side effects

> Hello everyone!

>

> I am new to this forum...and so far i think its great! I have saline

> implants for almost a year now. Is acne a side effect of them? I have

> always had great skin as a teen until this last year. (I'm 25 now) I

> have just noticed my skin has adult acne and am using ProActive to

> get rid of it ( nothing else does anything ) It is not a rash but it

> concerns me. I also have a mild heart murmur....i have also noticed

> this last year that i have major heart palpatations at least once a

> day. I have other side effects as well...but i thought i would start

> with those..( in case it doesn't post right ) If anyone has any

> information or knowledge on this subject it would be greatful....i

> just have a bad feeling...i think i have had one since i woke up from

> the surgery. Any help or comments would be great.

>

> Thanks a bunch

>

August 17, 2002

Years ago, after ruptured silicone implants, I went to a

Baylor University neurologist that had seen a number if

women with implants; the first question I was asked

was whether I had experienced acne. Yes, I had--and still

have 5 little "pick holes" in my face. There is a "chloracne"

which is due to halogenated aromatic compounds with a specific molecular shape, like dioxin and related hydrocarbons.

Silicones are complex polymers or organosilicone chloride,

made from dimethylsilylchloride. The comedomes generally

start on the cheeks and behind the ears. Mine did not--I

don't know where yours is. This is a possibility--but even

more remote with saline implants.

There is also a chemical acne that results from contact with

greases and oils, coal tars, etc. and ingestion of bromides and

iodides. Thse comedomes can start anywhere. Some

people react to make-up and some react to make-up after

changing geographical locations. . .and some react to

make-up when her whole system is "more sensitive" for

some reason. This is also a possibilty and probability.

I believe that both are due to the effect that chemicals have

on neurohormones and/or estrogen. I doubt there is a way to straighten out that particular process.

Without knowing more, it would be hard to say, but I'd

probably bet on the second one and try eliminating foundation

for a while and see. The reason I say this, is that I went

through a bout of acne (chin area) when I was 30, right after

an IUD was put in--I believe , based on another skin eruption,

it made me more sensitive to things.

Like you, I sailed through my teens without a pimple.

Re the heart murmur: did you have one prior to implants? do you

even know? Sometimes a pre-op physical is in your file and will

tell you if one was located--you personally may not have been told.

My first murmur was systolic and I was told it was "nothing" My second

murmur was diastolic, found two years later, with very high blood pressure

and some difficulty breathing. For years I had both and later a deviation was

found. Both are now gone, as is the deviation, and BP is normal.

So, yes, the possibility exists that the murmur is related somehow.

You said you had a bad feeling that you think has existed since you

woke up from surgery--a mental bad feeling? I've been told this

before with the explanation that there was an inherent knowing, buried

deep in the consciousness, that one had done something insulting to

the body--that one had given it even more work to do. These women

felt relieved when they removed their implants. . .that's something to toss around in your mind.

If it's a physical bad feeling, it may be that your particular system

is trying to tell you something. And if mentally, there was any reservation

about augmentation--and you may not be consciously aware of it--it can

weaken the physical system. Also, because we are all made differently,

have different levels of things in our bodies, anything is possible when

introducing a foreign body into the system--we can only compare the more common things that generally affect most people in the circumstances--like physicians do. More to toss around.

As you may have gathered, anything is possible--but it sounds

as if your instincts are at work and you will come up with the

right answer for you--it's probably why you are looking here.

Best to you,

Bonnie

August 17, 2002

--read it again.

I am also a result of bilateral mastectomies,

eventual infection, and 13 breast surgeries.

Bonnie

August 17, 2002

Please trust your instincts. If you did not experience these things prior to

implantation, do not ingnore the causal connection. I am short on time

today, but here is what you should do:

Read the various stories posted on this website. Some deal exclusively with

saline. Research what symptoms are associated with these, and I think you'll

find uncanny similarities.

If your surgeon who put them in is not knowledable about the illnesses these

implants cause OR worse denies they cause illness- do NOT go to him or her

and expect any answers. They'll tell you it is all unrelated as almost all

of them do, this is their gravy train, this is how they make their living.

Look- saline has a shelf life for a year, is suppose to kept around 77

degrees or so, and they put them in us where a normal body temperature is

98.6 degrees, and these things are in us for years. Are you starting to get

the picture here? They are making many, many women very ill. Why do you

think there is one support group after another wifor this product alone!

Yes, not all women are sick from their implants, but a horrifying percentage

are, and once you are ill, it is extremely difficult to get better. And

heart palpatations- my god, you know inside that that is really scarry stuff

you're experiencing. If a doc tells you its stress, and your instincts tell

you otherwise, trust your instincts. Educate yourself about this problem.

It takes energy and a sense of determination, but do this before it is loo

late. Realize you'll know more about this than most docotrs do. Maybe none

of your problems are realted- that is possible. But when you read the

stories, if you feel that sick sense in your heart, and you know what I mean,

be proactive about this before yu lose the benefit of time.

August 17, 2002

Am I reading you right? are you suggesting that the

effects of implants are " all in ones mind " ? I hope

not. It amaizes me that more and more information

about these damn things is coming out.mine- the result

of reconstruction after cancer, included one hell of

an infection,more surgeries, not to mention the

finantial costs due directly to Mentor. I noticed that

if ones dog is castrated, one can obtain F.D.A.

approved replacement testicles!God, it is easier to

laugh than cry, isnt it?

--- Bos@... wrote:

> Years ago, after ruptured silicone implants, I went

> to a

> Baylor University neurologist that had seen a number

> if

> women with implants; the first question I was asked

> was whether I had experienced acne. Yes, I had--and

> still

> have 5 little " pick holes " in my face. There is a

> " chloracne "

> which is due to halogenated aromatic compounds with

> a

> specific molecular shape, like dioxin and related

> hydrocarbons.

> Silicones are complex polymers or organosilicone

> chloride,

> made from dimethylsilylchloride. The comedomes

> generally

> start on the cheeks and behind the ears. Mine did

> not--I

> don't know where yours is. This is a

> possibility--but even

> more remote with saline implants.

>

> There is also a chemical acne that results from

> contact with

> greases and oils, coal tars, etc. and ingestion of

> bromides and

> iodides. Thse comedomes can start anywhere. Some

> people react to make-up and some react to make-up

> after

> changing geographical locations. . .and some react

> to

> make-up when her whole system is " more sensitive "

> for

> some reason. This is also a possibilty and

> probability.

>

> I believe that both are due to the effect that

> chemicals have

> on neurohormones and/or estrogen. I doubt there is

> a way to

> straighten out that particular process.

>

> Without knowing more, it would be hard to say, but

> I'd

> probably bet on the second one and try eliminating

> foundation

> for a while and see. The reason I say this, is that

> I went

> through a bout of acne (chin area) when I was 30,

> right after

> an IUD was put in--I believe , based on another skin

> eruption,

> it made me more sensitive to things.

> Like you, I sailed through my teens without a

> pimple.

>

> Re the heart murmur: did you have one prior to

> implants? do you

> even know? Sometimes a pre-op physical is in your

> file and will

> tell you if one was located--you personally may not

> have been told.

> My first murmur was systolic and I was told it was

> " nothing " My second

> murmur was diastolic, found two years later, with

> very high blood pressure

> and some difficulty breathing. For years I had both

> and later a deviation was

> found. Both are now gone, as is the deviation,

> and BP is normal.

> So, yes, the possibility exists that the murmur is

> related somehow.

>

> You said you had a bad feeling that you think has

> existed since you

> woke up from surgery--a mental bad feeling? I've

> been told this

> before with the explanation that there was an

> inherent knowing, buried

> deep in the consciousness, that one had done

> something insulting to

> the body--that one had given it even more work to

> do. These women

> felt relieved when they removed their implants. .

> .that's something to

> toss around in your mind.

>

> If it's a physical bad feeling, it may be that your

> particular system

> is trying to tell you something. And if mentally,

> there was any reservation

> about augmentation--and you may not be consciously

> aware of it--it can

> weaken the physical system. Also, because we are

> all made differently,

> have different levels of things in our bodies,

> anything is possible when

> introducing a foreign body into the system--we can

> only compare

> the more common things that generally affect most

> people in the

> circumstances--like physicians do. More to toss

> around.

>

> As you may have gathered, anything is possible--but

> it sounds

> as if your instincts are at work and you will come

> up with the

> right answer for you--it's probably why you are

> looking here.

>

> Best to you,

> Bonnie

>

__________________________________________________

August 17, 2002

This is so right on.....we may not get validation from the doctors we see about our illnesses, but in our hearts, we know that we got ill after our implants and the "coincidences" are more than enough to make us question whether or not the implants made us ill. The stories are all so similar, so familiar in their progression, and we all seem to get hit with the realization that we were lied to and/or deceived about the seriousness of these illnesses. The heart palpitations are but one sign of a systemic malfunctioning going on in your body, whether it be from hormonal imbalances, mineral imbalances, immune system dysfunction, toxicity, or whatever. Nobody has gotten it all figured out yet. All we know is that women are getting ill after getting saline implants, and their symptoms are all similar.

There is only one choice to make once you turn down this road, and that is to remove the implants as soon as it is feasible and get on a road to recovery.

Learn all you can about what others have gone through, what we've discovered, how we've approached our healing, how we've dealt with our fears, our emotions, we're here for you.

Take care,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: indysurvivor@...

Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:01 PM

Subject: Re: side effects

Please trust your instincts. If you did not experience these things prior to implantation, do not ingnore the causal connection. I am short on time today, but here is what you should do:Read the various stories posted on this website. Some deal exclusively with saline. Research what symptoms are associated with these, and I think you'll find uncanny similarities. If your surgeon who put them in is not knowledable about the illnesses these implants cause OR worse denies they cause illness- do NOT go to him or her and expect any answers. They'll tell you it is all unrelated as almost all of them do, this is their gravy train, this is how they make their living. Look- saline has a shelf life for a year, is suppose to kept around 77 degrees or so, and they put them in us where a normal body temperature is 98.6 degrees, and these things are in us for years. Are you starting to get the picture here? They are making many, many women very ill. Why do you think there is one support group after another wifor this product alone! Yes, not all women are sick from their implants, but a horrifying percentage are, and once you are ill, it is extremely difficult to get better. And heart palpatations- my god, you know inside that that is really scarry stuff you're experiencing. If a doc tells you its stress, and your instincts tell you otherwise, trust your instincts. Educate yourself about this problem. It takes energy and a sense of determination, but do this before it is loo late. Realize you'll know more about this than most docotrs do. Maybe none of your problems are realted- that is possible. But when you read the stories, if you feel that sick sense in your heart, and you know what I mean, be proactive about this before yu lose the benefit of time.

August 18, 2002

By the way, after getting sick from implants, I had strange acne appear on my chin/throat area. Never had it like that before! I also had heart palpitations that came and went, but have almost totally disappeared now that the implants are gone.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: soenlightened2002

Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:00 PM

Subject: side effects

Hello everyone!I am new to this forum...and so far i think its great! I have saline implants for almost a year now. Is acne a side effect of them? I have always had great skin as a teen until this last year. (I'm 25 now) I have just noticed my skin has adult acne and am using ProActive to get rid of it ( nothing else does anything ) It is not a rash but it concerns me. I also have a mild heart murmur....i have also noticed this last year that i have major heart palpatations at least once a day. I have other side effects as well...but i thought i would start with those..( in case it doesn't post right ) If anyone has any information or knowledge on this subject it would be greatful....i just have a bad feeling...i think i have had one since i woke up from the surgery. Any help or comments would be great.Thanks a bunch

August 18, 2002

The only information I would like to contribute to this particular discussion is: According to all my medical insurance is that at least 70% of all women, 30+ years of age have some form of systolic or diastolic heart murmur, without the consideration of breast implants. However, I do know from personal experience with my daughter and myself, this can become considerably more significant after breast implants.

I will also, once again post my daughter research into Dow's own research regarding the "Estrogenicity of Breast Implant". I have to find the diskette, so if I do not post it tonight, I will post it tomorrow, as this is a very serious matter we must all consider!

MM

Martha Murdock, DirectorNational Silicone Implant Foundation | Dallas Headquarters"Supporting Survivors of Medical Implant Devices"4416 Willow LaneDallas, TX 75244-7537

----- Original Message -----

From: Bos@...

Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:37 AM

Subject: Re: side effects

Years ago, after ruptured silicone implants, I went to a Baylor University neurologist that had seen a number if women with implants; the first question I was asked was whether I had experienced acne. Yes, I had--and still have 5 little "pick holes" in my face. There is a "chloracne" which is due to halogenated aromatic compounds with a specific molecular shape, like dioxin and related hydrocarbons. Silicones are complex polymers or organosilicone chloride, made from dimethylsilylchloride. The comedomes generally start on the cheeks and behind the ears. Mine did not--I don't know where yours is. This is a possibility--but even more remote with saline implants. There is also a chemical acne that results from contact with greases and oils, coal tars, etc. and ingestion of bromides and iodides. Thse comedomes can start anywhere. Some people react to make-up and some react to make-up after changing geographical locations. . .and some react to make-up when her whole system is "more sensitive" for some reason. This is also a possibilty and probability. I believe that both are due to the effect that chemicals have on neurohormones and/or estrogen. I doubt there is a way to straighten out that particular process. Without knowing more, it would be hard to say, but I'd probably bet on the second one and try eliminating foundation for a while and see. The reason I say this, is that I went through a bout of acne (chin area) when I was 30, right after an IUD was put in--I believe , based on another skin eruption, it made me more sensitive to things. Like you, I sailed through my teens without a pimple. Re the heart murmur: did you have one prior to implants? do you even know? Sometimes a pre-op physical is in your file and will tell you if one was located--you personally may not have been told. My first murmur was systolic and I was told it was "nothing" My second murmur was diastolic, found two years later, with very high blood pressure and some difficulty breathing. For years I had both and later a deviation was found. Both are now gone, as is the deviation, and BP is normal. So, yes, the possibility exists that the murmur is related somehow. You said you had a bad feeling that you think has existed since you woke up from surgery--a mental bad feeling? I've been told this before with the explanation that there was an inherent knowing, buried deep in the consciousness, that one had done something insulting to the body--that one had given it even more work to do. These women felt relieved when they removed their implants. . .that's something to toss around in your mind. If it's a physical bad feeling, it may be that your particular system is trying to tell you something. And if mentally, there was any reservation about augmentation--and you may not be consciously aware of it--it can weaken the physical system. Also, because we are all made differently, have different levels of things in our bodies, anything is possible when introducing a foreign body into the system--we can only compare the more common things that generally affect most people in the circumstances--like physicians do. More to toss around. As you may have gathered, anything is possible--but it sounds as if your instincts are at work and you will come up with the right answer for you--it's probably why you are looking here. Best to you, Bonnie

August 19, 2002

I also used to have beautiful skin prior to implants. About 1 yr after I got my implants, I broke out all over my face, chest, and upper back. I was aghast as I had never had any problems with acne ever, and had never had to take any medication, oral or topical, for acne. This particular type of acne was cystic. After trying various high end cleansers and moisturizers (the type you buy in a dept store--I was buying Lacome and other brands). These didn't help. They didn't worsen it, but it certainly wasn't getting any better, either. I finally broke down and went to a dermatologist, who told me that I had chronic folliculitis. He put me on an antifungal med (topical), and Benzomycin, also topical. Both did help for a while, then the acne came back, and no rx medication helped. When I finally saw my ps who removed my implants, she told me that yes, I had severe acne on my face, but the "acne" on my chest and back was due to a severe allergic reaction to my implants. She also said that the acne on my face was more than likely due to the implants as well, and as long as I kept the implants in, it would never go away. Immediately upon removal of my implants, my complexion cleared up. My boyfriend was with me during this whole time, and he is actually the one who told me about 2 days after my explant that my complexion looked so much better. My chest and back was completely cleared up in 2 wks. I continued to have "breakouts" for about 6 months, then they stopped. Now my skin and complexion is clear again. As for the heart murmur, like Bonnie said, there is a possibility that you've had a heart murmur for some time and have never been told. Docs tend to not tell us certain things, especially if they are not severe and we don't know about it. But if there is no documentation ever that you have a heart murmur, then yes, it is possible for the implants to be affecting the heart. I am a perfect example. I developed a heart murmur in 1997, 1 yr after my implants. I am a RN, so I knew that I had never had one prior to the implants. I also had palpitations, lethargy, and an inability to tolerate any type of exercise. It was found (eventually) that I had a hole in my heart--what's called an ASD (atrial septal defect). This is something that is usually found in babies, and usually closes within months to a few yrs, without the child having any adverse sequelae. I never had an ASD as a baby/child, nor did I have any other heart problems at any age. So this was completely new, and very unusual. Then it was found that I had had a stroke (left cerebellar) and the docs beleive that a free floating piece of silicone went through that ASD, and traveled to my brain, causing the infarct. Interestingly enough, when I had my implants removed (I had saline), the silicone shell had broken down and silicone was all over my chest. So, listen to your gut about your health. If you were healthy prior to implants, and now you're having health problems, there is a reason this is happening, and it's very possible these concerns you describe are from your implants. Do your research, and seriously think about getting them out, because your health will only worsen. These early signs are your body's way of warning you that it doesn't like those foreign bodies, and to get them out. Good luck, and feel free to ask any questions you may have regarding your health and/or implants! e ----- Original Message ----- From: soenlightened2002 Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: side effects Hello everyone!I am new to this forum...and so far i think its great! I have saline implants for almost a year now. Is acne a side effect of them? I have always had great skin as a teen until this last year. (I'm 25 now) I have just noticed my skin has adult acne and am using ProActive to get rid of it ( nothing else does anything ) It is not a rash but it concerns me. I also have a mild heart murmur....i have also noticed this last year that i have major heart palpatations at least once a day. I have other side effects as well...but i thought i would start with those..( in case it doesn't post right ) If anyone has any information or knowledge on this subject it would be greatful....i just have a bad feeling...i think i have had one since i woke up from the surgery. Any help or comments would be great.Thanks a bunch

August 19, 2002

I have heard of alll of these and more, of course. I got implants and was

very ill, I am much improved since having them removed. I don't have much

time to post more yet but please let us know more about your situation and I

will write more when I get home from work.

Hugs

----- Original Message -----

From: " soenlightened2002 " <bad_tendencies@...>

< >

Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:00 PM