To Chris

[Guest guest]

Oh my Lord!!! I love that movie!!! It's funny you should mention

that, Yeah, It's like, don't you remember anything?!...Were you

even there a minute ago?!...

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> Remember the movie Groundhog day?? LOL I always say that's our

lives.. Some

> days you are always saying. .. The same thing over and over and

over again>

>

> -- ( ) 1st Day on Earth

>

> My kid wakes up every morning and it's like it's his first day on

earth!

> Is this an Asperger's thing or just my boy. How do I jumpstart his

> brain? Music? Gum? What do you guys do?

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[Guest guest]

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> I am very interested in hearing your story of how you took gel, felt

> great, and then what happened after that temporary feeling? I don't

> know if you read my original post, but I had a similar thing happen to

> me. I was on gels for 4 days, stopped due to the crazy side effects,

> and after I quit (took 5gms Testim each morning am Thurs, Fri, Sat,

> Sun.....stopped Monday morn) Monday night, I felt really good from

> about 5PM (still felt depressed and crappy all day until 5ish that

> night) till I went to bed. Next day I woke up....depression again. In

> addition, I couldn't sleep and was so bad for lack of sleep, I was

> suicidal within a week. Eventually, I was diagnosed as manic

> depressant and given antidepressants and sleeping pills, and to this

> day I am still on AmbienCr, or I will not sleep but maybe an hour.

> BTW, My most recent, and only, Estradiol test was 44 pg/ml on a range

> of 2-50 pg/ml. After having read all the things I have read, I

> theorize that starting the gel interrupted my HPTA, and also the

> balance of E2 in my system, and it has never recovered. Thanks for

> listening, and God Bless you.

>

> Chris

>

>

> Hey could I butt in here on your reply? If you don't mind.

>

> Sounds to me like your hormones are all out of balance. Your E2

> is away too high, this will make you crabby and not being able to

sleep,

> this happened to me. How did your Total T check out, could you post

> them for us? Also a sleep disorder could also be connected to a sleep

> disorder called 'sleep apnea.' Have you considered this? I know when

> my Total T and E2 were out of balance I felt like shit myself. I have

> been taking Testosterone shots for over 20 years but they never

did check

> my E2 for some reason. Finally had a complete blood work up and

> my E2 was over the top, so I wasn't getting any benefits from the T

> shots at all and was feeling bad. Phil was the one that got me to

> checking the E2 which is SO important to a good balance. I finally

> have mine under control pretty well and feeling better than I have

> for a long time. Please give us your blood test and their ranges if

> you have them. I hope you have had a complete blood work up!

> I have tried other testosterone applications but have found out the

> Testosterone CYP shots do much better for me. It will take a long

> time to recover from High E2 I know from experience and Phil got

> me taking Arimidex to get it down which it did in about a month and

> a half.

> Blessings,

> Roy

>

>

Hey, Roy. Here are some of my most recent tests.

Thyroid Panel 3

T4(thyroxine) 7.7 ug/dl 4.5-12.0 ug/dl

T3 uptake 35.0 24-45 %

free thyroxine index 2.7 1.1-4.4

TSH .872 0.350-5.500 uIU/ml

Cortisol Level 15 ug/dl adult am 4-22 pm 3-17

(test was taken 2:40pm)

Free T3 2.8 2.3-4.2 pg/ml

Free T4 1.19 0.71-1.85 ng/dl

Total Testosterone 214 280-1070 ng/dl

Estradiol test was 44 pg/ml on a range

> of 2-50 pg/ml.

And Prior to these I had these tests months ago:

The first test was taken on 11/23/2005

Serum Testosterone 305 ng/dl

Free Testosterone 15.07 ng/dl

%free Testosterone 4.94 % (high flag)

Amenorrhea Profile

LH 3.9 mIU/mL

FSH 2.0 mIU/mL

Prolactin 8.2 ng/mL

Then the next test was taken on 12/13/05

Serum Testosterone 433 ng/dl

Free Testosterone 20.52 ng/dl

%free Testosterone 4.74 % (high flag again )

TSH 1.193 uIU/mL

Prolactin 7.0 ng/mL

I can't really make heads or tails of them...

Hope you can..

GodBless,

Chris

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I read about some OTC med that would help the E2 situation? I can't

find it in the forum, but I'm sure you posted it....I think.. I

don't feel that my current Dr. will even entertain that idea, so until

I get the means to find another, I will have to try the OTC for that,

and also just gauge it by a small dose and looking for the wood as you

say...plus, it may help my overall symptoms. Anything that could help

is a blessing for me.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Sure here is a link butdo you know what you E2 is I would hate to see you get

sick on this by going to low. If you don't know what your E2 but feel your high

start with one half a tablet a day at dinner. And watch your wood if you find

you don't have it try to get it up if you can't your gong to low so stop taking

it untill you can get it up. If you know what your E2 is and it's high start

with one tablet a day at dinner. And work from there keep me posted on how your

doing.

Phil

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

vaiisking1026 <vaiisking@...> wrote:

Phil,

I read about some OTC med that would help the E2 situation? I can't

find it in the forum, but I'm sure you posted it....I think.. I

don't feel that my current Dr. will even entertain that idea, so until

I get the means to find another, I will have to try the OTC for that,

and also just gauge it by a small dose and looking for the wood as you

say...plus, it may help my overall symptoms. Anything that could help

is a blessing for me.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Ok. As of my most recent and only E2 test....I was 44 on a range of

2-50. So, seems high to me, and I have a total testosterone of 214

range 280-1100 (most recent bloodwork). I can get an erection, and

orgasm, but keeping the erection for duration (which is only 3-7 mins

for me now) is hard to do, or it will just go away before I can

orgasm. So based on that, what is your recommendations?

[Guest guest]

You did not put the posts in this and I have a hard time keeping up with all the

men I talk to but if your the one about using Indolplex/DIM start with one

tablet a day at dinner time. And keep us posted how it's making you feel. You

should get hard wood the kind that wakes you up when your levels come down I

call this the zone.

Phil

vaiisking1026 <vaiisking@...> wrote:

Ok. As of my most recent and only E2 test....I was 44 on a range of

2-50. So, seems high to me, and I have a total testosterone of 214

range 280-1100 (most recent bloodwork). I can get an erection, and

orgasm, but keeping the erection for duration (which is only 3-7 mins

for me now) is hard to do, or it will just go away before I can

orgasm. So based on that, what is your recommendations?

[Guest guest]

you keep an erection for 3 - 7 mins my goodeness i really do lack male knowledge

on sexual stuff its never been more than about a min with help from my hand,even

masterbating it goes flaccid then i start again and again ,i assumedv most of my

life this is how it is for most guys!!

i go to the endo for first time next wednesday but i fear without all the back

up paperwork i have printed off from various sources he may not take my lifelong

and not suddenly happend situation seriously.

btw does trt affect blood pressure i was going to be starrting concerta for my

ADHD but my blood pressure is going up and down at my doc it was ok at 131/82 at

my phyciatrist and nurse it was 152/111 going donw to 131/102 later in day

and concerta puits up blood pressure ,so does TRT of any sort???

Re: To Chris

Ok. As of my most recent and only E2 test....I was 44 on a range of

2-50. So, seems high to me, and I have a total testosterone of 214

range 280-1100 (most recent bloodwork). I can get an erection, and

orgasm, but keeping the erection for duration (which is only 3-7 mins

for me now) is hard to do, or it will just go away before I can

orgasm. So based on that, what is your recommendations?