Re: Fw: LDN and painkillers that contain codeine

[Guest guest]

Good work but last message from Mira was that she cannot wait to go on LDN. I honestly do not know why she said the naltrexone caused her seizures . Her postings are confusing and from what I understand , she is not even on it yet?

[Guest guest]

Hello :

What kind of cancer does your father have? How long has he been on LDN? Is

he showing any beneficial effects?

Noland

----- Original Message -----

From: " pete/lisa " <petelisa@...>

<low dose naltrexone >

Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:08 PM

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Fw: LDN and painkillers that contain codeine

> Hi everyone,

> As there had been some discussion about the possible adverse affects of

> taking LDN and over the counter pain meds containing codeine, I thought I

> would write to the ldn.org web editor and ask about it, as I was alarmed

by

> Mira's hospitalization and seizures which were seemingly connected to LDN

> and pain meds, containing narcotics. (my father is on LDN for cancer, and

> cannot be trusted to remember not to take otc pain meds when traveling

> overseas for work !)

> So here is the reply I got.

> I hope it is of some use to everyone.

> in Australia

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <dgluck@...>

> <petelisa@...>

> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:50 PM

> Subject: Re: LDN and painkillers that contain codeine

>

>

> > If the codeine-containing medication were taken during the day, when the

> > LDN should be well out of one's system, nothing untoward would happen &

> > the codeine would have its effect. If the medication were taken about

the

> > same time as the LDN dose then the LDN would block the effect of the

> > codeine, which is a narcotic. Unless the individual had been on large

> > daily doses of narcotic & become dependent on it -- in which case the

LDN

> > could promptly cause distressing withdrawal symptoms, there should be no

> > other resulting symptoms.

> >

> > In all cases, LDN will block only those drugs that are in the narcotic

> > category (i.e., those which attach to opioid receptors). Check with the

> > prescribing physician if there is some question whether your medication

> > might fall into that class.

> >

> > Website Editor

> >

> > **********************************************************************

> >

> > > Hi,

> > > I realise that LDN cannot be taken with meds that contain codeine, but

> > > what I am wondering is what would happen if you accidentally took a

> > > couple of over the counter pain meds that contained approx 20 mg's of

> > > codeine?

> > > . Also is nurofen and Paracetamol o.k. to

> > > take for pain whilst on LDN? Thank-you

> > > in Australia

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

The warning from my Pharmisist is not to take any opiods of any kind

with LDN......this includes codiene. As I understand the reasoning,

is that LDN is a narcotic antagonist and there for the ldn would

block the action of the pain killer....IT DOESN'T CAUSE SEISURES,

I think Mira did have a seisure and went to hospital, but the pain

killer she was on, is known to cause seisures, and that is probably

what happened. LDN has never been know to cause seisures with or

without opiods. In fact there are studies being done right now, to

use ldn and morphine for pain.....they are saying that a small amt

of morphine and a small amt or ldn seems to relieve pain better than

a large amt of morphine. DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME...LOL, it is still

under study.

I hope this helps you in caring for your Father.

Hugs, Sally

> Hi everyone,

> As there had been some discussion about the possible adverse

affects of

> taking LDN and over the counter pain meds containing codeine, I

thought I

> would write to the ldn.org web editor and ask about it, as I was

alarmed by

> Mira's hospitalization and seizures which were seemingly connected

to LDN

> and pain meds, containing narcotics. (my father is on LDN for

cancer, and

> cannot be trusted to remember not to take otc pain meds when

traveling

> overseas for work !)

> So here is the reply I got.

> I hope it is of some use to everyone.

> in Australia

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <dgluck@p...>

> <petelisa@i...>

> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:50 PM

> Subject: Re: LDN and painkillers that contain codeine

>

>

> > If the codeine-containing medication were taken during the day,

when the

> > LDN should be well out of one's system, nothing untoward would

happen &

> > the codeine would have its effect. If the medication were taken

about the

> > same time as the LDN dose then the LDN would block the effect of

the

> > codeine, which is a narcotic. Unless the individual had been on

large

> > daily doses of narcotic & become dependent on it -- in which

case the LDN

> > could promptly cause distressing withdrawal symptoms, there

should be no

> > other resulting symptoms.

> >

> > In all cases, LDN will block only those drugs that are in the

narcotic

> > category (i.e., those which attach to opioid receptors). Check

with the

> > prescribing physician if there is some question whether your

medication

> > might fall into that class.

> >

> > Website Editor

> >

> >

*********************************************************************

*

> >

> > > Hi,

> > > I realise that LDN cannot be taken with meds that contain

codeine, but

> > > what I am wondering is what would happen if you accidentally

took a

> > > couple of over the counter pain meds that contained approx 20

mg's of

> > > codeine?

> > > . Also is nurofen and Paracetamol o.k. to

> > > take for pain whilst on LDN? Thank-you

> > > in Australia

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Noland,

My father has kidney cancer (Renal Cell Carcinoma) which is chemoresistant,

so consequently there is no adjuvant therapy available for him.

He has been on LDN for approx 3 months, and his scans 6 weeks ago were

clear. It is impossible to say yet whether the LDn is having any benefit, I

pray that it is and will keep him disease free as he is at high risk for

reoccurrence because of the location and grade of his kidney tumor.

He has had no ill effects from the LDN, so we will keep going with it

forever if we have to.

I have found the reported effects of LDN by the people on the list with MS

incredibly uplifting and the fact that they are getting so much benefit from

it gives me hope for my darling Dad.

I hope LDN is working for you.

in Australia

----- Original Message -----

From: " Noland R. Durnell, P.E. " <rangeus50@...>

<low dose naltrexone >; " pete/lisa "

<petelisa@...>

Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:09 AM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Fw: LDN and painkillers that contain

codeine

> Hello :

>

> What kind of cancer does your father have? How long has he been on LDN?

Is

> he showing any beneficial effects?

>

> Noland

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " pete/lisa " <petelisa@...>

> <low dose naltrexone >

> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:08 PM

> Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Fw: LDN and painkillers that contain codeine

>

>

>>my father is on LDN for cancer, and

> > cannot be trusted to remember not to take otc pain meds when traveling

> > overseas for work >

> > in Australia

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello :

I'm happy to hear that it appears that your dad is doing so well. I will

soon be on LDN for my chronic lymphocytic leukemia 3 months. I'm scheduled

for blood tests on September 10th and am hoping the tests show significant

improvement. Even if not, I am still going to take LDN for at least a year.

I have noticed some other side effects i.e., finger nails growing faster and

not as brittle, days with much more energy, leg cramps have ceased and I've

quit taking peroxide IV's.

Noland

----- Original Message -----

From: " pete/lisa " <petelisa@...>

" Noland R. Durnell, P.E. " <rangeus50@...>

Cc: <low dose naltrexone >

Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:53 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Fw: LDN and painkillers that contain

codeine

> Hi Noland,

> My father has kidney cancer (Renal Cell Carcinoma) which is

chemoresistant,

> so consequently there is no adjuvant therapy available for him.

> He has been on LDN for approx 3 months, and his scans 6 weeks ago were

> clear. It is impossible to say yet whether the LDn is having any benefit,

I

> pray that it is and will keep him disease free as he is at high risk for

> reoccurrence because of the location and grade of his kidney tumor.

> He has had no ill effects from the LDN, so we will keep going with it

> forever if we have to.

> I have found the reported effects of LDN by the people on the list with MS

> incredibly uplifting and the fact that they are getting so much benefit

from

> it gives me hope for my darling Dad.

> I hope LDN is working for you.

> in Australia

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Noland R. Durnell, P.E. " <rangeus50@...>

> <low dose naltrexone >; " pete/lisa "

> <petelisa@...>

> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:09 AM

> Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Fw: LDN and painkillers that contain

> codeine

>

>

> > Hello :

> >

> > What kind of cancer does your father have? How long has he been on LDN?

> Is

> > he showing any beneficial effects?

> >

> > Noland

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " pete/lisa " <petelisa@...>

> > <low dose naltrexone >

> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:08 PM

> > Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Fw: LDN and painkillers that contain

codeine

> >

> >

> >>my father is on LDN for cancer, and

> > > cannot be trusted to remember not to take otc pain meds when traveling

> > > overseas for work >

> > > in Australia

> > >

> >

>