Re: Need some advice on supplementing for depression

[Guest guest]

> One thing that I am struggling with right now, however, is

> depression/brain fog, and it's beginning to creep into " major

> clinical " territory.

For me personally, this was helped with anti-virals, minerals, and

yeast control. EFAs can also help.

> - I really should do some kind of thyroid/adrenal testing given my

> hair test results, but knowing the hoops we had to jump through for

> my son (who ended up getting good results/no thyroid problems) I am

> having a hard time mustering the energy to fight this battle on my

> own behalf.

Check out this chart

http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp

Dana

[Guest guest]

Rene,

As far as EFAs, the EPA is the important part. Make sure your Omega

3s contain 1.5-2 grams/day of EPA. DHA is less important for

managing depression. Also, try adding about 400 IU Vitamin E (d-

alpha). It can take several months to notice a difference. I have

never taken the other supps you mention.

Pleeeeease try to avoid SSRIs. I took them for years. I feel

better now (off SSRIs) than I felt while on them. Nordic Naturals

ProEPA is what I use. Weaning myself off Effexor this last time (2

years ago) was a horrible ordeal. I still struggle, but I've been

living with depression for so long that I'm sure some of my problems

are learned rather than physical (how do you suddenly become " happy "

and outgoing?... it is all pretty complicated). I also got lazy

this summer with my supplements. I notice a difference now that I

again take EFAs daily.

I think you can safely say that your near-clinical depression is a

physical symptom traceable to chelation. It might have been around

before your chelated, but it has changed since you started, right?

Consider this a long term project. If anything, you are hopefully

preventing heavy metal problems (dementia, auto-immune disease, etc)

from appearing as you get older. I've hit my 40s, which has

apparently brought it's own set of problems. That saliva hormone

test looks interesting at times, too. I've resorted to low dose

birth control pills... not good... but I needed SOMETHING.

Hang in there. Don't stop because you see nothing. Honestly,

consider that a good thing. Your judgement might be a little

clouded these days, too.

Oh, if you are a sugar hound (like me); eat less of that. It felt

like I was on drug withdrawal, but I feel better with less sugar in

my diet.

Pam

>

> Hi all

>

> I've finished 10 rounds of DMSA/ALA chelation for myself. I have

had

> absolutely NO physical symptoms that I can trace to chelation, on

or

> off round, even the time I had to stop a round part way through.

It

> feels like I'm taking candies on a 3 hour schedule (okay, stinky

> candies that can burn your throat if you don't wash them down with

> enough water, but you get my point). I'm currently at 25 mg DMSA

and

> 50 mg ALA, and am considering going with 50mg of each next round.

My

> hair test showed clear mineral derangement, and I have some of the

> behavioural/emotional symptoms of someone with Hg problems, so

that's

> what I'm going on for now. But I'm beginning to feel like a grade

A

> hypochondriac. I do think that it's odd not to feel even a little

> different when chelating. How long should I stick with this?

Since

> I'm chelating my son anyhow it is not a lot of extra trouble, but

it

> is more money.

>

> One thing that I am struggling with right now, however, is

> depression/brain fog, and it's beginning to creep into " major

> clinical " territory. At my physical this week my doctor wanted to

> give me an Rx for SSRI's, but since I'm seeing him for a followup

> exam in a month I told him that I wanted to try supplements

first.

> So, here's the plan:

>

> - continuing with chelation, plus all of the supps that go with it

> - more EFA's

> - trying 5-HTP

> - SAMe? What's the word on this? I know it's not often a useful

> supplement for kids with ASD, but how about their depressed

mothers?

> Can it be used with 5-HTP safely/do they work on the same pathways

or

> different ones?

> - I really should do some kind of thyroid/adrenal testing given my

> hair test results, but knowing the hoops we had to jump through

for

> my son (who ended up getting good results/no thyroid problems) I

am

> having a hard time mustering the energy to fight this battle on my

> own behalf. Might go the Canary Club saliva test route if I can

> bring myself to spend the money.

> - lithium was red low on my hair test, but getting OTC lithium

across

> the border into Canada might be a problem.

>

> Um, what else am I missing? My brain is on low gear these days.

>

> Thanks

> René

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I think you can safely say that your near-clinical depression is a

> physical symptom traceable to chelation. It might have been around

> before your chelated, but it has changed since you started, right?

My thoughts too. Rene, you could also try a round of ALA only. I feel better

when I do

rounds with ALA only. Rounds with ALA + DMSA feel more " rough " to me. Not

everyone

feels this way, of course.

Adding to your list, I'd make sure I was getting some exercise. It's a mood

lifter, no doubt.

No need to kill yourself at the gym (besides you might have exercise exhaustion

from the

mercury poisoning). A brisk walk, outside, in the sunlight, everyday. Light

boxes, if

seasonal depression is a problem for you in the northern latitudes. A good book

which

explains the need for sunlight and exercise is " When Your Body Gets the Blues " .

My copy of Amalgam Illness is on loan to my brother, but Andy has specific

recommendations for depression.

>

> Consider this a long term project. If anything, you are hopefully

> preventing heavy metal problems (dementia, auto-immune disease, etc)

> from appearing as you get older. I've hit my 40s, which has

> apparently brought it's own set of problems. That saliva hormone

> test looks interesting at times, too. I've resorted to low dose

> birth control pills... not good... but I needed SOMETHING.

Pam, you might want to look into the use of natural progesterone cream. I'm

reading a

book by Lee right now about estrogen dominance and women's hormones. Lots

of

things on thyroid and adrenals, mood, and energy levels. There might be

something

helpful in there for you. Lee makes a case that progesterone cream is more

effective and

safer than birth control pills.

>

> Oh, if you are a sugar hound (like me); eat less of that. It felt

> like I was on drug withdrawal, but I feel better with less sugar in

> my diet.

You can also try supplementing with chromium picolinate (see Amalgam Illness) to

help

regulate blood sugar levels.

Rene, I'd pursue the thyroid/adrenal support before I'd do the lithium or SSRIs.

Low

lithium seems common with deranged mineral transport, but I'm not so sure it

always

indicates the need for supplementing.

By round 10, I felt more cheerful, more often, but still had a lot of brain fog

or " dull " days.

I felt changes, but I'd say they were very subtle. Has your husband commented

one way or

the other about any changes he may be observing in you?

You'll get lots of help figuring out the thyroid/adrenals at Frequent Dose

Chelation. How

old are you, Rene? How are your periods?

Baby steps, Rene. I hope you feel better soon. Remember what Andy says,

supplement, and chelate, chelate, chelate.

in Illinois, chelating adult, round 35, and chelating 2 NT kids

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi all

>

> I've finished 10 rounds of DMSA/ALA chelation for myself. I have had

> absolutely NO physical symptoms that I can trace to chelation, on or

> off round, even the time I had to stop a round part way through.

It was the same for me Rene. I did 16 rounds and then stopped, or

rather petered out, not because I decided it wasn't working or I'm not

poisoned, but because I was tired and...just not getting any positive

reinforcement. A year later and I was doing a lot worse, so I started

up again.

>I'm currently at 25 mg DMSA and

> 50 mg ALA, and am considering going with 50mg of each next round.

When I got up to 50 mg DMSA and 100 mg ALA, I started having panic

attacks. Which are awful -- but at least then I knew it was doing

something. I'm back down to 50 mgs ALA now. I'd suggest increasing

until you feel a bump, then backing off.

>I do think that it's odd not to feel even a little

> different when chelating. How long should I stick with this?

I figure we have to stick with it until those symptoms get a LOT better.

>

> One thing that I am struggling with right now, however, is

> depression/brain fog, and it's beginning to creep into " major

> clinical " territory.

Have you tried the stuff Andy suggests for this in " Amalgam Illness " ?

Phosphotidylserine helps me. Also Epsom baths because they help me sleep.

> - SAMe? What's the word on this? I know it's not often a useful

> supplement for kids with ASD, but how about their depressed mothers?

> Can it be used with 5-HTP safely/do they work on the same pathways or

> different ones?

I can;t remember LOL

> - I really should do some kind of thyroid/adrenal testing given my

> hair test results, but knowing the hoops we had to jump through for

> my son (who ended up getting good results/no thyroid problems) I am

> having a hard time mustering the energy to fight this battle on my

> own behalf.

For myself I'm finding wading thought thyroid/adrenal problems

terrifically difficult. For a lot of reasons. I've just emailed Andy

for his consultation packet and am looking for a doctor who'll agree

to do it. I seem to be able to deal with n's problems OK but my

own is just too hard to puzzle out.

> Might go the Canary Club saliva test route if I can

> bring myself to spend the money.

I've got it sitting on my desk but haven;t been abe to face not

drinking coffee for a whole day.

> Um, what else am I missing? My brain is on low gear these days.

My suggestion is to comb through " Amalgam Illness " and try whatever

supps Andy recommends for specific problems. The adrenal stuff --

licorice, ginger, gotu kola -- I've found helpful, more so than

adrenal cortex which made me anxious.

Anyway, sorry I'm not more helpful, but at least you've got company.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Rene,

Hey it's cadmium companion over here...I am sorry to hear of your

current hardships..I feel exactly where you are. I want to quite

after two rounds..I feel better off my supplements too. Odd..?

Have you tried lithium aspartate or orotate? Many mercury people are

so low in this or have it but the mercury disrupts it, so they are

chronically depressed. It does help me and has helped stabalize my

daughters moods too. I have no lithium on hair test, she has very

little. This is safer than SSR's and I have tried every SSR out

there, they all work for a few months, then the mercury wins out and

they don't work anymore and you have to try another one.

You can tell from your hair test if you need adrenal and thryoid

stuff, so don't bother with the doc...I hear you. Too much hassle,

just so they can tell you it is fine, or not low enough to help you.

You can check your adrenal by using a flashlight, go into the

bathroom, turn off the lights while standing in front of the mirror.

Shine the flashlight into the side of your eye and watch your pupil

in the mirror. It should constrict in the light and stay that way.

If it constricts and then gets larger, smaller, larger,

smaller...your adrenals are messed up!

I am surprised that you have no symptoms either. Maybe that is a

good thing! 12 mg is making me sick when I take it, that is without

any ALA yet. Yuck...

Is is possible to test urines for metals on your next round to show

yourself, what is commming out? I know for us, there is no way we

can afford to test, but maybe it will help you know what is going

on. VRP sells lithium, does that help..? After all it is a

supplement so maybe we can find a way to get it there.

St. s'wort is good for depression too. Hope some of this

helps..email if you wish..see what else we can figure out.

Jan

>

> Hi all

>

> I've finished 10 rounds of DMSA/ALA chelation for myself. I have

had

> absolutely NO physical symptoms that I can trace to chelation, on

or

> off round, even the time I had to stop a round part way through.

It

> feels like I'm taking candies on a 3 hour schedule (okay, stinky

> candies that can burn your throat if you don't wash them down with

> enough water, but you get my point). I'm currently at 25 mg DMSA

and

> 50 mg ALA, and am considering going with 50mg of each next round.

My

> hair test showed clear mineral derangement, and I have some of the

> behavioural/emotional symptoms of someone with Hg problems, so

that's

> what I'm going on for now. But I'm beginning to feel like a grade

A

> hypochondriac. I do think that it's odd not to feel even a little

> different when chelating. How long should I stick with this?

Since

> I'm chelating my son anyhow it is not a lot of extra trouble, but

it

> is more money.

>

> One thing that I am struggling with right now, however, is

> depression/brain fog, and it's beginning to creep into " major

> clinical " territory. At my physical this week my doctor wanted to

> give me an Rx for SSRI's, but since I'm seeing him for a followup

> exam in a month I told him that I wanted to try supplements

first.

> So, here's the plan:

>

> - continuing with chelation, plus all of the supps that go with it

> - more EFA's

> - trying 5-HTP

> - SAMe? What's the word on this? I know it's not often a useful

> supplement for kids with ASD, but how about their depressed

mothers?

> Can it be used with 5-HTP safely/do they work on the same pathways

or

> different ones?

> - I really should do some kind of thyroid/adrenal testing given my

> hair test results, but knowing the hoops we had to jump through

for

> my son (who ended up getting good results/no thyroid problems) I

am

> having a hard time mustering the energy to fight this battle on my

> own behalf. Might go the Canary Club saliva test route if I can

> bring myself to spend the money.

> - lithium was red low on my hair test, but getting OTC lithium

across

> the border into Canada might be a problem.

>

> Um, what else am I missing? My brain is on low gear these days.

>

> Thanks

> René

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi all

>

> I've finished 10 rounds of DMSA/ALA chelation for myself. I have had

> absolutely NO physical symptoms that I can trace to chelation, on or

> off round, even the time I had to stop a round part way through. It

> feels like I'm taking candies on a 3 hour schedule (okay, stinky

> candies that can burn your throat if you don't wash them down with

> enough water, but you get my point). I'm currently at 25 mg DMSA and

> 50 mg ALA, and am considering going with 50mg of each next round. My

> hair test showed clear mineral derangement, and I have some of the

> behavioural/emotional symptoms of someone with Hg problems, so that's

> what I'm going on for now. But I'm beginning to feel like a grade A

> hypochondriac. I do think that it's odd not to feel even a little

> different when chelating. How long should I stick with this? Since

> I'm chelating my son anyhow it is not a lot of extra trouble, but it

> is more money.

I'd say stick with it. After 13.5 months of chelation, I feel a

lot less symptoms now than before. Some rounds (if I don't make

any mistakes) I don't feel much at all. But I recently did a urine

toxic metals test and I am definitely excreting metals.

> One thing that I am struggling with right now, however, is

> depression/brain fog, and it's beginning to creep into " major

> clinical " territory.

So you are more depressed now than before starting? For me,

my adrenals went totally bye-bye within a month or two of starting

chelation (they were probably on the brink before I started).

Maybe for you it's the thyroid that's going. Hypothyroid

certainly can cause bad depression. Adrenals can contibute to

mood problems, too - not sure if they cause straight depression

in some cases, but maybe. Chelation is very stressful to the

endocrine system.

I wonder a lot about people who take big doses of ALA (I take

8 mg, so from my point of view pretty much everyone is taking

a massive dose). ALA tends to reduce blood sugar levels (I

should probably double check that - but I'm starting to trust

my memory instead of looking things up all the time). If

I am right about this, it would put quite a strain on the

adrenals to keep blood sugar balanced.

At my physical this week my doctor wanted to

> give me an Rx for SSRI's, but since I'm seeing him for a followup

> exam in a month I told him that I wanted to try supplements first.

> So, here's the plan:

>

> - continuing with chelation, plus all of the supps that go with it

> - more EFA's

> - trying 5-HTP

I would definitely try these before SSRIs. I feel SSRIs can be

helpful for a bad depression that does not respond to these or

other more natural measures. But definitely try other things first.

> - SAMe? What's the word on this? I know it's not often a useful

> supplement for kids with ASD, but how about their depressed mothers?

> Can it be used with 5-HTP safely/do they work on the same pathways or

> different ones?

Maybe someone else is more familiar with this. I know it's quite

expensive and high cost tends to avert my attention to other stuff.

Though I think if you have other reason to suspect methylation

problems, this might be worth looking into.

> - I really should do some kind of thyroid/adrenal testing given my

> hair test results, but knowing the hoops we had to jump through for

> my son (who ended up getting good results/no thyroid problems) I am

> having a hard time mustering the energy to fight this battle on my

> own behalf. Might go the Canary Club saliva test route if I can

> bring myself to spend the money.

I think the Canary Club test is well worth doing. Also looking at

symptoms on http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp may be

helpful to determine if adrenals and/or thyroid are out of whack.

> - lithium was red low on my hair test, but getting OTC lithium across

> the border into Canada might be a problem.

Don't know how hard this is to get in Canada. Maybe J

knows? I am finding this pretty helpful for myself, but my

mood issues are more up and down, not just down.

> Um, what else am I missing? My brain is on low gear these days.

Someone mentioned exercise and I totally agree with that. I

dealt with horrible dysphoric symptoms for years by getting

as much exercise as I could (and taking B complex with extra

B6). Those helped a lot.

I also agree that trying progesterone cream might be helpful,

especially if the mood issues seem sensitive to hormonal changes.

--

[Guest guest]

> > Since

> > I'm chelating my son anyhow it is not a lot of extra trouble, but it

> > is more money.

I have the opposite issue. Chelation (currently on 58th round) is

helping me much more than my autistic daughter (currently on 33rd round).

> > - SAMe? What's the word on this? I know it's not often a useful

> > supplement for kids with ASD, but how about their depressed mothers?

> > Can it be used with 5-HTP safely/do they work on the same pathways or

> > different ones?

I have taken SAMe for years now and find it really helps with joint

pain. It probably has some effect on mood, too. If you use onibasu,

you can find recipe's for " poor man's methylation " which is a cheaper

supplement combo that should do the same thing as SAMe (except I find

it doesn't for me). I don't know about any 5-HTP issues.

> > - I really should do some kind of thyroid/adrenal testing given my

> > hair test results,

Did your hair test show adrenal or thyroid indications? These would

be Ca/Mg both one direction and Na/K both another direction and

separated by about 2 " or more and K/Ca out of range of .03-.35 - see

pg. 253 of Hair Test Interpretation.

> > Um, what else am I missing?

See pg. 135 of Amalgam Illness for Andy's list of antidepressant

supplements. Sadly, I am taking most of them. I am feeling better

overall, especially now that I'm on thryoid and adrenal support. I

just started Iodoral and it seems to be giving me even better relief

from joint pain and more overall energy. I'm not sure I was depressed

so much as just in pain and fatigued.

Hang in there and keep letting us help.

W.

[Guest guest]

Hi, friends. This is a very short thank you for all of your great

advice, which was exactly what I was hoping for... you did it again.

What a group.

, I don't have any amalgams, fortunately. Thanks for asking.

René

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > I've finished 10 rounds of DMSA/ALA chelation for myself. I have had

> > absolutely NO physical symptoms that I can trace to chelation, on or

> > off round, even the time I had to stop a round part way through.

>

> It was the same for me Rene. I did 16 rounds and then stopped, or

> rather petered out, not because I decided it wasn't working or I'm not

> poisoned, but because I was tired and...just not getting any positive

> reinforcement. A year later and I was doing a lot worse, so I started

> up again.

>

> >I'm currently at 25 mg DMSA and

> > 50 mg ALA, and am considering going with 50mg of each next round.

Okay so I am just wondering what if metals is not the problem?

There is a test you can order from Neuro Science it is a neuro

transmitter test. If you are interested I will look and try to

determine what the number is (I took it and both of my kids took it as

well) basically it is based on the premise it measures your

neurotranmitters by measuring what is going on in the gut. THere are

many amino acids out there that can help. Email me if you want me to

check and see if i can determine what the test number is. YOu then can

go to a compounding pharmacy and order many of the products.

5 htp, gaba, both of these can be helpful for sleep and depression.

Hope this helps.

> When I got up to 50 mg DMSA and 100 mg ALA, I started having panic

> attacks. Which are awful -- but at least then I knew it was doing

> something. I'm back down to 50 mgs ALA now. I'd suggest increasing

> until you feel a bump, then backing off.

>

> >I do think that it's odd not to feel even a little

> > different when chelating. How long should I stick with this?

>

> I figure we have to stick with it until those symptoms get a LOT better.

> >

> > One thing that I am struggling with right now, however, is

> > depression/brain fog, and it's beginning to creep into " major

> > clinical " territory.

>

> Have you tried the stuff Andy suggests for this in " Amalgam Illness " ?

> Phosphotidylserine helps me. Also Epsom baths because they help me

sleep.

>

> > - SAMe? What's the word on this? I know it's not often a useful

> > supplement for kids with ASD, but how about their depressed mothers?

> > Can it be used with 5-HTP safely/do they work on the same pathways or

> > different ones?

>

> I can;t remember LOL

>

> > - I really should do some kind of thyroid/adrenal testing given my

> > hair test results, but knowing the hoops we had to jump through for

> > my son (who ended up getting good results/no thyroid problems) I am

> > having a hard time mustering the energy to fight this battle on my

> > own behalf.

>

> For myself I'm finding wading thought thyroid/adrenal problems

> terrifically difficult. For a lot of reasons. I've just emailed Andy

> for his consultation packet and am looking for a doctor who'll agree

> to do it. I seem to be able to deal with n's problems OK but my

> own is just too hard to puzzle out.

>

> > Might go the Canary Club saliva test route if I can

> > bring myself to spend the money.

>

> I've got it sitting on my desk but haven;t been abe to face not

> drinking coffee for a whole day.

>

> > Um, what else am I missing? My brain is on low gear these days.

>

> My suggestion is to comb through " Amalgam Illness " and try whatever

> supps Andy recommends for specific problems. The adrenal stuff --

> licorice, ginger, gotu kola -- I've found helpful, more so than

> adrenal cortex which made me anxious.

>

> Anyway, sorry I'm not more helpful, but at least you've got company.

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi all

>

> I've finished 10 rounds of DMSA/ALA chelation for myself. I have had

> absolutely NO physical symptoms that I can trace to chelation, on or

> off round, even the time I had to stop a round part way through. It

> feels like I'm taking candies on a 3 hour schedule (okay, stinky

> candies that can burn your throat if you don't wash them down with

> enough water, but you get my point). I'm currently at 25 mg DMSA and

> 50 mg ALA, and am considering going with 50mg of each next round.

Rene, I was hoping you would have checked in with us by now. How are you doing?

I'll add to the list of suggestions, dropping your dose. I've read many time on

FDC to take

it slow, that side effects can creep up on you, and to sit with a particular

dose for 4-5

rounds before increasing.

I have my copy of AI back. LOTS of suggestions in there.

Posting & emailing,

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

> Okay so I am just wondering what if metals is not the problem?

> There is a test you can order from Neuro Science it is a neuro

> transmitter test.

,

Thanks for your suggestion. I do have an amino acids test on my list

of things to ask the doc for, I think you're right that getting those

supplemented correctly could make a big difference.

No doubt that metals are my problem though. Way too much fish,

amalgmas, RhoGam, contact lens solution, etc etc. the exposures go on

and on and when I read through " Amalgam Illness " it's like an

autobiography.

Nell

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, friends. This is a very short thank you for all of your great

> advice, which was exactly what I was hoping for... you did it again.

> What a group.

>

Rene, great to hear from you!

When you're up for it, let's see what you're taking (supplement list, how much,

how often

and your weight).

The more I think about this, I think you should bring your dose DOWN, not go up.

As Pam

suggested, the depression could very well be an exasperation of your symptoms

while

chelating. We need to get you to a dose where the chelation symptoms are

tolerable

(comfortable, not just tolerable), and make sure your body is supported with the

supplements it needs so you feel much better right now.

We'll figure this out!

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

> When you're up for it, let's see what you're taking (supplement

list, how much, how often

> and your weight).

>

Okay, here goes:

I'm 35. I weigh (ahem) about 165 lbs right now.

Supplements:

700 iu natural mixed tocopherols/day

20,000 iu A/day

100 mg CoQ10/day

2 tsp. CLO + additional 400 iu cholecalciferol D/day

(as of two days ago, on Pam's advice: 1 tsp high EPA oil - 1750 mg

EPA)

500 mg tyrosine in the morning

4600mg C/divided into 4 doses

510 mg milk thistle/divided into 4 doses

3 capsules of Jarrow's " B Right " throughout the day (approx.

equivalent to a B 75 complex)

http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=JRW-01006

1000 mg calcium citrate, divided into 4 doses

1000 mg mag. oxide, divided into 4 doses

40 mg zinc citrate, divided into 4 doses

3.5 mg copper, divided into 4 doses (kids and I tend to need copper,

though I may try dropping it)

100 mcg molybdenum

200 mcg selenomethionine

Candex at night

I've temporarily taken adrenal cortex extract out of the mix to see

if that is the reason my eczema is flaring, though I doubt it.

> The more I think about this, I think you should bring your dose

DOWN, not go up. As Pam

> suggested, the depression could very well be an exasperation of

your symptoms while

> chelating.

Yes, , I think you may be right. I'm not chelating anyone

this weekend as I feel I need to sort this out first.

I think I'll go do my paper route now (poor man's gym :-))

thanks so much

René

[Guest guest]

> > When you're up for it, let's see what you're taking (supplement

> list, how much, how often

> > and your weight).

> >

>

> Okay, here goes:

>

> I'm 35. I weigh (ahem) about 165 lbs right now.

>

> Supplements:

>

> 700 iu natural mixed tocopherols/day

> 20,000 iu A/day

> 100 mg CoQ10/day

> 2 tsp. CLO + additional 400 iu cholecalciferol D/day

> (as of two days ago, on Pam's advice: 1 tsp high EPA oil - 1750 mg

> EPA)

> 500 mg tyrosine in the morning

> 4600mg C/divided into 4 doses

> 510 mg milk thistle/divided into 4 doses

> 3 capsules of Jarrow's " B Right " throughout the day (approx.

> equivalent to a B 75 complex)

> http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=JRW-01006

> 1000 mg calcium citrate, divided into 4 doses

> 1000 mg mag. oxide, divided into 4 doses

This is not very absorbable. Try mag citrate, malate, glycinate,

aspartate, chloride...

If you've been taking no other magnesium for awhile, I would

think you are quite deficient.

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[Guest guest]

>

> I think I'll go do my paper route now (poor man's gym :-))

Having thought about the depression problem some more, I think mine

went away when I started doing yoga again, and got it together enough

to do it every day at home. It took me a *long time, but I finally

realized that spending even 5 minutes doing a few poses was enough to

make the difference in mood.

Yoga is magic, really. And it doesn't have to be the pretzelly stuff

to work. OK somebody needs to make a tape -- " Yoga for the

Metal-Poisoned " .

Hope you're feeling better quickly.

Nell

[Guest guest]

> 20,000 iu A/day

This can cause depression, among other things, if you don't need this

much.

> 100 mg CoQ10/day

This is a relatively high dose. Try dropping it down to 50mg.

> 2 tsp. CLO + additional 400 iu cholecalciferol D/day

> (as of two days ago, on Pam's advice: 1 tsp high EPA oil - 1750 mg

> EPA)

This can cause problems if you have mito issues or taurine deficiency.

> 500 mg tyrosine in the morning

Do you take any other aminos?

> 1000 mg calcium citrate, divided into 4 doses

> 1000 mg mag. oxide, divided into 4 doses

> 40 mg zinc citrate, divided into 4 doses

> 3.5 mg copper, divided into 4 doses (kids and I tend to need copper,

> though I may try dropping it)

If you are taking the calcium together with the zinc, they will

compete for the same absorption sites, and so you might not be

absorbing all the zinc.

> 200 mcg selenomethionine

Try dropping this down to 100mcg

Dana

[Guest guest]

> I'm 35. I weigh (ahem) about 165 lbs right now.

Rene, to give you an idea, I'm at 140 #, probably only moderately poisoned, and

by round

10 I was taking only 25 mg DMSA and 25 mg ALA. Take it low, and slow.

>

> Supplements:

>

> 700 iu natural mixed tocopherols/day

> 20,000 iu A/day

> 100 mg CoQ10/day

> 2 tsp. CLO + additional 400 iu cholecalciferol D/day

> (as of two days ago, on Pam's advice: 1 tsp high EPA oil - 1750 mg

> EPA)

> 500 mg tyrosine in the morning

Page through the section in Amalgam Illness on amino acid analysis for anything

useful for

you in there. Starts on pg. 95. Have you had a plasma amino acid analysis?

> 4600mg C/divided into 4 doses

> 510 mg milk thistle/divided into 4 doses

> 3 capsules of Jarrow's " B Right " throughout the day (approx.

> equivalent to a B 75 complex)

You might need extra supplementation of individual Bs. B-6? B-12?

> http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=JRW-01006

> 1000 mg calcium citrate, divided into 4 doses

> 1000 mg mag. oxide, divided into 4 doses

Agreeing with Steph, find a more bioavailable form of Mg and/or take epsom salt

baths.

> 40 mg zinc citrate, divided into 4 doses

> 3.5 mg copper, divided into 4 doses (kids and I tend to need copper,

> though I may try dropping it)

At 165#, you could use more zinc. I get half weight plus 20 = 102 mg daily.

Are you sure you need the copper? Do you get the nose bleeds too? See Amalgam

Illness

pg 99 for discussion on Cu.

> 100 mcg molybdenum

You could go much higher on the moly. Pg. 134 of AI.

> 200 mcg selenomethionine

> Candex at night

>

> I've temporarily taken adrenal cortex extract out of the mix to see

> if that is the reason my eczema is flaring, though I doubt it.

Anything in Onibasu on eczema?

In AI, pg. 124 starts the discussion on brain function and things you can do to

address

depression. Lots and lots of info in there Rene, and maybe something will click

for you.

Will your mom and/or husband read this section, so they understand the root of

your

depression and support you? Are you having " crazy thoughts " (look for

references in AI

for glutamine) or feeling suicidal (pg. 130)?

If you don't feel better bringing the dose down, and you can't figure out what

to do with

the supplements, do whatever you need to do (thinking rx antidepressants) to get

yourself

in a safe spot, so you can think again and take care of yourself and your

family.

In AI, pg. 135 is the list of supplements for anxiety, depression, and brain

support.

And, out of the house, everyday, walk + sunshine.

Keep in touch!

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

Rene,

I don't know if this helps or not, but since we both have cadmium

issues on top of mercury, this might not agree with what others tell

you but I stopped all my vitamins as of last week. I seem sicker on

them. The only thing I am taking is Adrenal Cortex which is helping

my moods, and other symptoms. I plan to add thyroid support later

in the week. I am not going to do a round until I am back on

supplements of course. I am using FortiFlax liberally every morning

which seems to help. The days I don't get those EFA's I notice it.

There are others on frequent dose chelation who have reported the

inability to tolerate the vitamins at first. I may try digestive

enzymes also to see if I can tolerate the vitamins better.

Above all...get some sleep! This seems to be key for me, I get so

run down doing all the chelation rounds for the kids, and

supplements and housework...etc. That I am literally exhausted!

> > When you're up for it, let's see what you're taking (supplement

> list, how much, how often

> > and your weight).

> >

>

> Okay, here goes:

>

> I'm 35. I weigh (ahem) about 165 lbs right now.

>

> Supplements:

>

> 700 iu natural mixed tocopherols/day

> 20,000 iu A/day

> 100 mg CoQ10/day

> 2 tsp. CLO + additional 400 iu cholecalciferol D/day

> (as of two days ago, on Pam's advice: 1 tsp high EPA oil - 1750 mg

> EPA)

> 500 mg tyrosine in the morning

> 4600mg C/divided into 4 doses

> 510 mg milk thistle/divided into 4 doses

> 3 capsules of Jarrow's " B Right " throughout the day (approx.

> equivalent to a B 75 complex)

> http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=JRW-

01006

> 1000 mg calcium citrate, divided into 4 doses

> 1000 mg mag. oxide, divided into 4 doses

> 40 mg zinc citrate, divided into 4 doses

> 3.5 mg copper, divided into 4 doses (kids and I tend to need

copper,

> though I may try dropping it)

> 100 mcg molybdenum

> 200 mcg selenomethionine

> Candex at night

>

> I've temporarily taken adrenal cortex extract out of the mix to

see

> if that is the reason my eczema is flaring, though I doubt it.

>

>

>

>

> > The more I think about this, I think you should bring your dose

> DOWN, not go up. As Pam

> > suggested, the depression could very well be an exasperation of

> your symptoms while

> > chelating.

>

>

> Yes, , I think you may be right. I'm not chelating anyone

> this weekend as I feel I need to sort this out first.

>

> I think I'll go do my paper route now (poor man's gym :-))

>

> thanks so much

> René

>