RE: Child pressing against lower jaw

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I'd head to the dentist.

Pam

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My daughter began using her fingers to press against her lower jaw

> about a month ago. I thought that it was just a new stim, until

she

> recently started crying and saying " mouth " and asking for floss.

She

> also uses my hand to press against her jaw. I've checked and can't

see

> a cavity or anything wedged between her teeth. Sometimes she

presses

> one side or the other. Sometimes its both sides at the same time.

>

> We are chelating her with DMSA and are currently on the 6th round

> using Andy's protocol. She doesn't have amalgams.

>

> Any thoughts as to what might cause and relieve this painful issue?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Orelindel

>

[Guest guest]

tmj, perhaps?

S S

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><BR>

> Hi Everyone,<BR>

> <BR>

> My daughter began using her fingers to press against her lower jaw <BR>

> about a month ago. I thought that it was just a new stim, until <BR>

she <BR>

> recently started crying and saying " mouth " and asking for floss. <BR>

She <BR>

> also uses my hand to press against her jaw. I've checked and can't <BR>

see <BR>

> a cavity or anything wedged between her teeth. Sometimes she <BR>

presses <BR>

> one side or the other. Sometimes its both sides at the same time.<BR>

> <BR>

> We are chelating her with DMSA and are currently on the 6th round <BR>

> using Andy's protocol. She doesn't have amalgams.<BR>

> <BR>

> Any thoughts as to what might cause and relieve this painful issue?<BR>

> <BR>

> Thanks,<BR>

> <BR>

> Orelindel<BR>

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[Guest guest]

Does she clench her jaw or grind her teeth at night? I do and it is

very painful in the morning. It is TMJ and if she does, have a dentist

or orthodontist look at it. I have a night guard that helps somewhat,

but I just went to an orthodontist and he said with the problems in my

mouth, it isn't helping much.

M

[ ] Child pressing against lower jaw

Hi Everyone,

My daughter began using her fingers to press against her lower jaw

about a month ago. I thought that it was just a new stim, until she

recently started crying and saying " mouth " and asking for floss. She

also uses my hand to press against her jaw. I've checked and can't see

a cavity or anything wedged between her teeth. Sometimes she presses

one side or the other. Sometimes its both sides at the same time.

We are chelating her with DMSA and are currently on the 6th round

using Andy's protocol. She doesn't have amalgams.

Any thoughts as to what might cause and relieve this painful issue?

Thanks,

Orelindel

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[Guest guest]

Sounds like TMJ pain! How old is she? Does she have an overbit of

any sorts. Or a small lower jaw? Do you hear any clicking or noises

when she chews? Does she seem to have problems chewing hard or tough

foods? I have has this condition my whole life. Terribly painful,

causes bad headaches and face pain. I press the sides of my jaw

sometimes in an attemp to relieve it. Until you get to the dentist,

sometimes ice packs help. No gum either. They have a new retainer

called an NTI, it is made of acrylic and fits over the two front

teeth. You wear it at night. This appliance, unlike our night guards

actually stops the grinding habit by retraining the muscles in the

fact not to clench. I cannot afford one but well worth looking into.

-- In , " " <m4thmiller@...>

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>

> Does she clench her jaw or grind her teeth at night? I do and it

is

> very painful in the morning. It is TMJ and if she does, have a

dentist

> or orthodontist look at it. I have a night guard that helps

somewhat,

> but I just went to an orthodontist and he said with the problems

in my

> mouth, it isn't helping much.

> M

>

> [ ] Child pressing against lower jaw

>

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> My daughter began using her fingers to press against her lower jaw

> about a month ago. I thought that it was just a new stim, until

she

> recently started crying and saying " mouth " and asking for floss.

She

> also uses my hand to press against her jaw. I've checked and can't

see

> a cavity or anything wedged between her teeth. Sometimes she

presses

> one side or the other. Sometimes its both sides at the same time.

>

> We are chelating her with DMSA and are currently on the 6th round

> using Andy's protocol. She doesn't have amalgams.

>

> Any thoughts as to what might cause and relieve this painful issue?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Orelindel

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

First of all, thanks to all who've replied to my question. For those

leaning toward TMJ, my daughter does occasionally grind her teeth at

night. So TMJ is a distinct possibility. I appreciate everyone's

intuition and advice.

>

> Does she clench her jaw or grind her teeth at night? I do and it is

> very painful in the morning. It is TMJ and if she does, have a

dentist

> or orthodontist look at it. I have a night guard that helps

somewhat,

> but I just went to an orthodontist and he said with the problems in

my

> mouth, it isn't helping much.

> M

>

> -----Original Message-----

[Guest guest]

She's five. Doesn't have an overbite. I'll look into that device.

She's been pretty miserable lately. Thanks!

>

> Sounds like TMJ pain! How old is she? Does she have an overbit of

> any sorts. Or a small lower jaw? Do you hear any clicking or

noises

> when she chews? Does she seem to have problems chewing hard or

tough

> foods? I have has this condition my whole life. Terribly painful,

> causes bad headaches and face pain. I press the sides of my jaw

> sometimes in an attemp to relieve it. Until you get to the

dentist,

> sometimes ice packs help. No gum either. They have a new retainer

> called an NTI, it is made of acrylic and fits over the two front

> teeth. You wear it at night. This appliance, unlike our night

guards

> actually stops the grinding habit by retraining the muscles in the

> fact not to clench. I cannot afford one but well worth looking

into.

[Guest guest]

>

> Does she clench her jaw or grind her teeth at night?

For my kids, this means improper zinc/copper ratio, or too-low levels

of either or both. Most people are low zinc, so adding that can be

very helpful. Three of my kids needed added zinc, one needed added

copper for a while, then added both.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

A zinc deficiency could be the problem. Before chelation, our DAN!

doctor tested her zinc levels and said that they were normal. The lab

didn't or couldn't give us her copper levels.

I've read that Andy recommends 1/4 to 1/2 mg of zinc during chelation.

We are are the low end for zinc and need to increase zinc for sure,

but I was wondering what are the recommendations when we aren't

chelating?

Thanks,

Orelindel

> >

> > Does she clench her jaw or grind her teeth at night?

>

>

> For my kids, this means improper zinc/copper ratio, or too-low levels

> of either or both. Most people are low zinc, so adding that can be

> very helpful. Three of my kids needed added zinc, one needed added

> copper for a while, then added both.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> We are are the low end for zinc and need to increase zinc for sure,

> but I was wondering what are the recommendations when we aren't

> chelating?

I have read that you can give zinc up to the child's weight plus 20mg.

So for example, if your child weighs 50 pounds, you can give as much

as 70mg per day. I would certainly start lower and work up to that

dose, or stop earlier if you notice improvement earlier.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Best to divide the zinc in to 2-4 doses for maximum absorbtion.

Pam

> > We are are the low end for zinc and need to increase zinc for

sure,

> > but I was wondering what are the recommendations when we aren't

> > chelating?

>

>

> I have read that you can give zinc up to the child's weight plus

20mg.

> So for example, if your child weighs 50 pounds, you can give as

much

> as 70mg per day. I would certainly start lower and work up to that

> dose, or stop earlier if you notice improvement earlier.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

First of all, I want to thank you for responding to my inquiry

regarding my daughter's problem. Zinc may be the answer! I increased

my daughter's zinc two days ago and have seen some improvement in her

symptoms. I think she is at such a deficit that it may take some time

completely resolve her problem. I'll keep you posted as I work up to

70 mg. We have had vomiting in the past when we pushed her zinc levels

too quickly.

Thank you!!!

Orelindel

> I have read that you can give zinc up to the child's weight plus

20mg.

> So for example, if your child weighs 50 pounds, you can give as much

> as 70mg per day. I would certainly start lower and work up to that

> dose, or stop earlier if you notice improvement earlier.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

We gradually increased our sons zinc over a period of a week. Giving

the doses divided up throughout the day. Within a week or so...he

stopped mouthing things. It was a miracle. We were so tired of

explaining " don't put anything in your mouth but food "

>

> Hi Dana,

>

> First of all, I want to thank you for responding to my inquiry

> regarding my daughter's problem. Zinc may be the answer! I

increased

> my daughter's zinc two days ago and have seen some improvement in

her

> symptoms. I think she is at such a deficit that it may take some

time

> completely resolve her problem. I'll keep you posted as I work up

to

> 70 mg. We have had vomiting in the past when we pushed her zinc

levels

> too quickly.

>

> Thank you!!!

>

> Orelindel

>

> > I have read that you can give zinc up to the child's weight plus

> 20mg.

> > So for example, if your child weighs 50 pounds, you can give as

much

> > as 70mg per day. I would certainly start lower and work up to

that

> > dose, or stop earlier if you notice improvement earlier.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> First of all, I want to thank you for responding to my inquiry

> regarding my daughter's problem. Zinc may be the answer! I increased

> my daughter's zinc two days ago and have seen some improvement in her

> symptoms.

Great!

I think she is at such a deficit that it may take some time

> completely resolve her problem. I'll keep you posted as I work up to

> 70 mg. We have had vomiting in the past when we pushed her zinc levels

> too quickly.

Yes, zinc can cause nausea/vomiting, so best to increase slowly.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi! even my son is doing chelation with DMSA +ALA and we have

noticed lately that he is pressing agains lowe jaw on me! he askes

me to look down and that he presses on my head his jaw!

did i understood well is this Zinc deficiency=?

could you please confirm me this?

thanks

fardi

> > > We are are the low end for zinc and need to increase zinc for

> sure,

> > > but I was wondering what are the recommendations when we

aren't

> > > chelating?

> >

> >

> > I have read that you can give zinc up to the child's weight plus

> 20mg.

> > So for example, if your child weighs 50 pounds, you can give as

> much

> > as 70mg per day. I would certainly start lower and work up to

that

> > dose, or stop earlier if you notice improvement earlier.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think that chelating makes the kids want to grind their teeth. One of my

other kids (not ASD) ran some cycles and she told me that she kept feeling

this sensation! So maybe it's just a side effect of the metals moving.

Barb

[ ] Re: Child pressing against lower jaw

> Hi! even my son is doing chelation with DMSA +ALA and we have

> noticed lately that he is pressing agains lowe jaw on me! he askes

> me to look down and that he presses on my head his jaw!

> did i understood well is this Zinc deficiency=?

> could you please confirm me this?

> thanks

> fardi

>

>

>

>> > > We are are the low end for zinc and need to increase zinc for

>> sure,

>> > > but I was wondering what are the recommendations when we

> aren't

>> > > chelating?

>> >

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>> > I have read that you can give zinc up to the child's weight plus

>> 20mg.

>> > So for example, if your child weighs 50 pounds, you can give as

>> much

>> > as 70mg per day. I would certainly start lower and work up to

> that

>> > dose, or stop earlier if you notice improvement earlier.

>> >

>> > Dana

>> >

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[Guest guest]

I can only give my insight on this as an adult with mercury

poisoning. Anytime my fillings are disturbed, such as with chewing,

it releases more mercury vapor. I find that jaw clenching or tension

in my facial muscles increases. Sometimes to the point of creating a

headache. My mercury toxic daughter is also a clencher/grinder. She

has done this since toddlerhood. About when she would have reached

her " maximum mercury load " . Many of the mercury adults I talked to

complain of the same thing. Tension in the jaw, urge to clench

teeth, as well as tension in the face, neck. Somehow mercury

interferes with muscles. Many of these adults reported that this

went away when there metals were removed. I am hoping that will

happend with me. So it is possible that metals moving around and

moving out are making some tension in the face/jaw and urges to

clench.

> >> > > We are are the low end for zinc and need to increase zinc

for

> >> sure,

> >> > > but I was wondering what are the recommendations when we

> > aren't

> >> > > chelating?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > I have read that you can give zinc up to the child's weight

plus

> >> 20mg.

> >> > So for example, if your child weighs 50 pounds, you can give

as

> >> much

> >> > as 70mg per day. I would certainly start lower and work up to

> > that

> >> > dose, or stop earlier if you notice improvement earlier.

> >> >

> >> > Dana

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[Guest guest]

Hmmmm . . . we're doing antivirals right now and my son's been grinding up a

storm. I wonder if we're releasing anything???

Barb

[ ] Re: Child pressing against lower jaw

>I can only give my insight on this as an adult with mercury

> poisoning. Anytime my fillings are disturbed, such as with chewing,

> it releases more mercury vapor. I find that jaw clenching or tension

> in my facial muscles increases. Sometimes to the point of creating a

> headache. My mercury toxic daughter is also a clencher/grinder. She

> has done this since toddlerhood. About when she would have reached

> her " maximum mercury load " . Many of the mercury adults I talked to

> complain of the same thing. Tension in the jaw, urge to clench

> teeth, as well as tension in the face, neck. Somehow mercury

> interferes with muscles. Many of these adults reported that this

> went away when there metals were removed. I am hoping that will

> happend with me. So it is possible that metals moving around and

> moving out are making some tension in the face/jaw and urges to

> clench.

>

>

>

>> >> > > We are are the low end for zinc and need to increase zinc

> for

>> >> sure,

>> >> > > but I was wondering what are the recommendations when we

>> > aren't

>> >> > > chelating?

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > I have read that you can give zinc up to the child's weight

> plus

>> >> 20mg.

>> >> > So for example, if your child weighs 50 pounds, you can give

> as

>> >> much

>> >> > as 70mg per day. I would certainly start lower and work up to

>> > that

>> >> > dose, or stop earlier if you notice improvement earlier.

>> >> >

>> >> > Dana

>> >> >

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[Guest guest]

>

> Hi! even my son is doing chelation with DMSA +ALA and we have

> noticed lately that he is pressing agains lowe jaw on me! he askes

> me to look down and that he presses on my head his jaw!

> did i understood well is this Zinc deficiency=?

> could you please confirm me this?

> thanks

My son pressed his jaw on me for several years. Unfortunately, I

don't know what it was that finally eliminated the problem. However,

I do know that improper zinc/copper ratio, or low of zinc or copper or

both, will cause teeth grinding for my kids [so will yeast in the

sinuses]. And since someone mentioned the grinding in this thread, I

mentioned zinc/copper. Who knows, maybe it was the zinc/copper ratio

that made my son stop pressing his jaw also.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Hmmmm . . . we're doing antivirals right now and my son's been

grinding up a

> storm. I wonder if we're releasing anything???

Yeast in the sinuses also caused some teeth grinding in my family, and

anti-virals definitely caused yeast here.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you for responding Jan and barba!

fardi

> > >> > > We are are the low end for zinc and need to increase zinc

> for

> > >> sure,

> > >> > > but I was wondering what are the recommendations when we

> > > aren't

> > >> > > chelating?

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > I have read that you can give zinc up to the child's weight

> plus

> > >> 20mg.

> > >> > So for example, if your child weighs 50 pounds, you can

give

> as

> > >> much

> > >> > as 70mg per day. I would certainly start lower and work up

to

> > > that

> > >> > dose, or stop earlier if you notice improvement earlier.

> > >> >

> > >> > Dana

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >

> > >

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