Re: DL-Phenylalanine

[Guest guest]

Love your disclaimer larry...lol....

I think in all honesty, before ordering the DL-Phen., all should go

to their window and look up DLPA and see what the side effects

are.....I did and found that it can cause anxiety, if you are

prone....and I am. I ordered a small bottle of 60 for 9.95, and

will take only one each morning to see how I react. I take Paxil

for panic attacks, so it should be interesting.......

Sally

> Could benefit all MSers regardless of treatment? Or if you're not

on LDN, the DL-P doesn't have as many endorphins to slow down?

Maybe non-LDN takers should check with their neuros before taking

this amino acid. Where's that disclaimer when you need it?

>

> Oh, here's a good one someone else posted: Remember, though, that

LarryGC/LarryLDN is just another person with MS and this is what HE

does to help his particular case.

[Guest guest]

http://www.metromkt.net/viable/1dlpa.shtml seems to be a good page for information

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 18:51

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: DL-Phenylalanine

Love your disclaimer larry...lol....I think in all honesty, before ordering the DL-Phen., all should go to their window and look up DLPA and see what the side effects are.....I did and found that it can cause anxiety, if you are prone....and I am. I ordered a small bottle of 60 for 9.95, and will take only one each morning to see how I react. I take Paxil for panic attacks, so it should be interesting.......Sally> Could benefit all MSers regardless of treatment? Or if you're not on LDN, the DL-P doesn't have as many endorphins to slow down? Maybe non-LDN takers should check with their neuros before taking this amino acid. Where's that disclaimer when you need it?> > Oh, here's a good one someone else posted: Remember, though, that LarryGC/LarryLDN is just another person with MS and this is what HE does to help his particular case.

[Guest guest]

WELL POOH...AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS IS THE WARNING I READ A WHILE

BACK......AND NOW I ORDERED THE STUFF AGAIN....YOU CANT TAKE DLPA

WITH SSRI'S, AND I TAKE PAXIL. OH WELL...MAYBE I'LL GIVE UP

PAXIL...NOT!

DL-Phenylalanine or DLPA, is a 50/50 mixture of the D- and L- forms

of the amino acid phenylalanine (phenylalanine is one of the few

aminos that can be utilized in its D- form). Researchers believe

that D-phenylalanine (DPA) inhibits the action of an enzyme that

breaks down endorphins and enkephalins. These proteins bind to

opiate receptor sites in the brain, thereby influ-encing the

perception of discomfort By obstructing the action of this enzyme,

DAP may extend the life of endorphins and enkephalins and their

positive influence on comfort levels. D-phenylalanine is the

precursor to two neurotransmitters that help support an alert state.

Suggested Use: 1 to 3 tablets daily, or as recommended by your

health care professional.

Warning: Contains phenylalanine. Not to be used by phenylketonurics,

pregnant or breastfeeding women, or with antidepressants drugs such

as MAOI's or SSRI's. If you have chronic high blood pressure,

consult your health care professional. Do not use if either tamper-

evident seal is broken or missing. Keep out of the reach of children

--- In low dose naltrexone , " LarryGC " <larrygc@s...>

wrote:

> http://www.metromkt.net/viable/1dlpa.shtml seems to be a good page

for information

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 18:51

> Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: DL-Phenylalanine

>

>

> Love your disclaimer larry...lol....

>

> I think in all honesty, before ordering the DL-Phen., all should

go

> to their window and look up DLPA and see what the side effects

> are.....I did and found that it can cause anxiety, if you are

> prone....and I am. I ordered a small bottle of 60 for 9.95, and

> will take only one each morning to see how I react. I take

Paxil

> for panic attacks, so it should be interesting.......

>

> Sally

>

>

> > Could benefit all MSers regardless of treatment? Or if you're

not

> on LDN, the DL-P doesn't have as many endorphins to slow down?

> Maybe non-LDN takers should check with their neuros before

taking

> this amino acid. Where's that disclaimer when you need it?

> >

> > Oh, here's a good one someone else posted: Remember, though,

that

> LarryGC/LarryLDN is just another person with MS and this is what

HE

> does to help his particular case.

[Guest guest]

MAOI's, as they are known, are a rarely used group of drugs, 3 of which are

very old, (Phenelzine, tranylcypromine,isocarboxazid) and one newer

(Moclobemide..trade name Manerix). Tranylcypromine is reputed to be the MOST

reactive, the newer one is more reversible. They are used in resistant

depression after conventional drugs have failed.

They act by inhibiting the enzyme Monoamine Oxidase, the enzyme that breaks

down neurotransmitters in the brain.

Unfortunately this means certain other compounds can accumulate in the brain

too. Things to avoid (due to the high risk of sudden severe high blood

pressure) include ALL stimulant type drugs (Sympathomimetics...or

decongestants included) like Sudafed, Actifed, etc., and ANY FOOD CONTAINING

THE AMINO ACID TAURINE. Taurine is found in particular foods like Chianti

wine, certain bean pods, cheeses, etc

The reason DL, or even d, or L Phenylalanine should be avoided,is that it

is moderately STIMULANT.This can lead to the raise in BP talked about

earlier. Both D and L have pain-killer properties, and both cross the

blood-brain barrier readily, and they are involved in the manufacture of

(among other things) Tyrosine and ENDORPHINS. D is alleged to be more

beneficial in PAIN, L Phenylalanine more so in depression. the mixture is

good for long-term pain like in arthritis.

That's all I can tell you for now, 5 mins into work!

Need any more help, just ask

n

from snowy Ireland

----- Original Message -----

From: " a " <big.fish@...>

<low dose naltrexone >

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:38 PM

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: DL-Phenylaline

> Chey,

>

> I read that it was dangerous to take DLPA with MAO inhibitors. I

> read it in a book at a GNC store. It didn't say why.

>

> a

>

> > I've been reading about DLPA. I read that it shouldn't be taken

> with

> > some antidepressants (we call it MAO blockers). Does anybody have

> > more info or knows who to contact about this?

> >

> > Thnx, Chey

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A few of us tried it, but then I haven't heard any feedback from anyone else. I tried it a few days and then stopped... rather, I kept forgetting to take it before eating, and just kept not taking it. Haven't given it another trial, but maybe I will one of these days. Not sure what it did for me, that was a while ago.

The few times I did take it, it was around 8:30am after eating around 4am. I work 12-8am, so my schedule is a bit different.

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene Lizotte

low dose naltrexone

Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 14:16

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] DL-Phenylalanine

Hi all:

I was reading info on LDN on a New Horizons newsletter. One thing the article recommended was taking DL-Phenylalanine the next day after a dose of LDN.

This is what the article said:

DL-Phenylalanine: The amino acid DL-phenylalanine has been reported to slow down the breakdown of endorphins and other painkillers. Daytime usage of this amino acid (taken on an empty stomach) may help to sustain the benefit of nighttime usage of naltrexone by maintaining high levels of endorphins.

[Guest guest]

I have been on DHL for over a month, I don't like to eat first thing so the empty stomach thing isn''t a problem. I do believe it "kicked in" the LDN a bit. ly I feel like an endorphin junkie now (joking) but I am willing to do anything reasonable to increase them and keep them high. DHL is NOT for people with high blood pressure it can raise it, Mine was terribly low, I got dizzy when I stood up and such and it has raised it up to almost normal. 110/70. The only other supplements I am on are one a day type vitamins and prim rose oil.

I am starting a bunch more soon to rebuild muscle I have lost Q-10, Creatin, and maybe benfo. These are along with muscle resistance training, at the recommendation of my Neuro.

Also, I started LDN 2 months after my DX of MS but I did have more symptoms than just ON. Since it is harmless, I do believe it is a good preventive choice.

They still can't say what kind of MS I have, they want to say it is RRMS due to it being most common but I have never remitted, the results of LDN are not a remission, but my Neuro wants it to be, my GP understands it is not. So we have concluded it is too soon to tell. I have decided it does not matter, it does not change the treatment path I chose. He did not pressure me to go back on the rebif, once I explained I had studied it and the results on the studies and it is not worth it to me. Quacks like a poison, looks like a poison, feels like a poison ... hey I think this sh*t might be poison! He laughed and asked it I would be willing to try other and new drugs for six months at a time ass an experiment. I said sure just not poisons. So this is the first leg, LDN alone, them we will add stuff. I just about lost it when he told me the first one would be an off labile use of a cancer drug. OFF LABEL USE! oh no what about double blind studies! Dr, how can this be safe or good? LOL He got the point. It is called rituximab, I have not researched it yet but I have six months.

sorry I went on so long, just a lot happening

ZilNever give up, never surrender

[Guest guest]

Does the above medication have to be on prescription from your GP? Is it available in the UK?

Thank you in advance for any info.

Ali

[Guest guest]

Hi Arlene,

Dr. Bihari suggested taking it to help with stiffness. I have been taking it for a month or so and it does seem to help but it is actually hard to tell. I also reduced my dose from 4.5mg to 3.0mg at the same time, the combination has helped.

Regards,

Tom

[Guest guest]

DLPA, aka DL-Phenylalanine, is an amino acid. It's available in health food stores/vitamin shops. 500 MG per capsule. They're pure white. I think .09-.11 per capsule if I remember correctly. .108 sticks out most.. I think I got 300 for 32.36 including tax.... so, yeah, 10.78 cents per.

----- Original Message -----

From: Alidewar37@...

low dose naltrexone

Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:03

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] DL-Phenylalanine

Does the above medication have to be on prescription from your GP? Is it available in the UK?Thank you in advance for any info.

[Guest guest]

--- In low dose naltrexone , Sara <zammead_2000@y...>

wrote:

> What about buying it on the WEB?

>

> Sara

>

============

I buy the Solaray brand of DL-Phenylalanine 500mg. If you do not

have high blood pressure, PKU, take an MAO inhibitor antidepressant

Dr. Bihari recommends the combination DL-Phenylalanine 500mg; take 1

in the AM and 1 in the PM to keep endorphins up throughout the day.

Do not get just the L form or just the D form of Phenylalanine but

get the DL-Phenylalanine 500mg. You can buy it off the internet or

in a healthfood store or get it through an alternatuve medicine

doctor.

[Guest guest]

I am using it but I do not see any difference whats ever.

ZoraSim Boo <simbookoo@...> wrote:

Dear group,

is anyone using dl-Phenylalanine for pain or depression. I read on another MS chat room that dr. Bahari is recomending it in conjuction with LDN. If it works this would be great for people with this issue.

boo

[Guest guest]

Hi Zora,

How much do you use, what brand and how often do you take it. My husband takes it on an empty stomach. He uses Solaray brand and he takes it in the morning and then in the evening. Right about the same time he started with the swank diet and changing his depression medication to time release and twice a day. One of those items was it for him. He has just been doing great since then. It might be the dl-Phenylalanine, but we can't be sure. At this point I don't even care, he can just keep doing the 3 items. I am so happy to see him back to himself. !!!!!

Re: [low dose naltrexone] dl-Phenylalanine

I am using it but I do not see any difference whats ever.

ZoraSim Boo <simbookoo@...> wrote:

Dear group,

is anyone using dl-Phenylalanine for pain or depression. I read on another MS chat room that dr. Bahari is recomending it in conjuction with LDN. If it works this would be great for people with this issue.

boo

[Guest guest]

Is there a reason for selecting the Solaray brand? Didn't I read

that the " DL " means it is a combination of synthetic and natural? I

like to stay away from the synthetics if possible. Thanks.

> Dear group,

>

> is anyone using dl-Phenylalanine for pain or depression. I read

on another MS chat room that dr. Bahari is recomending it in

conjuction with LDN. If it works this would be great for people with

this issue.

>

> boo

>

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

------

>

[Guest guest]

Someone had told me that the Solaray brand is the one Dr. Bihari recommends.

I am not sure why. I understand your not wanting to utilize synthetics.

But I am not sure if that is the case or not. I thing it is a combination

of two items and it is important to do the one with dl, and not just do d,

or just do l. Somehow the two together makes a big difference. There are

web sites that explain it further. Sorry not to be much help.

Aletha

[low dose naltrexone] Re: dl-Phenylalanine

>

>

> Is there a reason for selecting the Solaray brand? Didn't I read

> that the " DL " means it is a combination of synthetic and natural? I

> like to stay away from the synthetics if possible. Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>> Dear group,

>>

>> is anyone using dl-Phenylalanine for pain or depression. I read

> on another MS chat room that dr. Bahari is recomending it in

> conjuction with LDN. If it works this would be great for people with

> this issue.

>>

>> boo

>>

>>

>>

>> --------------------------------------------------------------------

> ------

>>

[Guest guest]

I also have Solaray product.

But I used to take it after meals as the bottle did not state when. This is first time I am hearing that it should be taken on empty stomach, so I better try that. I used to take only one tablet in the morning.

I also read somewhere that it suppose to be taken with White Willow herb. Can anybody verify this?

ZoraAletha Wittmann <Aletha@...> wrote:

Hi Zora,

How much do you use, what brand and how often do you take it. My husband takes it on an empty stomach. He uses Solaray brand and he takes it in the morning and then in the evening. Right about the same time he started with the swank diet and changing his depression medication to time release and twice a day. One of those items was it for him. He has just been doing great since then. It might be the dl-Phenylalanine, but we can't be sure. At this point I don't even care, he can just keep doing the 3 items. I am so happy to see him back to himself. !!!!!

Re: [low dose naltrexone] dl-Phenylalanine

I am using it but I do not see any difference whats ever.

ZoraSim Boo <simbookoo@...> wrote:

Dear group,

is anyone using dl-Phenylalanine for pain or depression. I read on another MS chat room that dr. Bahari is recomending it in conjuction with LDN. If it works this would be great for people with this issue.

boo

[Guest guest]

Zora, My husband took it once a day and after breakfast. No changes were noted for a 5 day period. Then I read that you take it on an empty stomach twice a day. He has big changes in his depression (although at same time we implemented new swank diet and changed his depression med to time release). So it could be one of the three items.

Aletha

Re: [low dose naltrexone] dl-Phenylalanine

I am using it but I do not see any difference whats ever.

ZoraSim Boo <simbookoo@...> wrote:

Dear group,

is anyone using dl-Phenylalanine for pain or depression. I read on another MS chat room that dr. Bahari is recomending it in conjuction with LDN. If it works this would be great for people with this issue.

boo

[Guest guest]

I have to keep checking it much closer then.

ZoraAletha Wittmann <Aletha@...> wrote:

Zora, My husband took it once a day and after breakfast. No changes were noted for a 5 day period. Then I read that you take it on an empty stomach twice a day. He has big changes in his depression (although at same time we implemented new swank diet and changed his depression med to time release). So it could be one of the three items.

Aletha

Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web