Re: LDN is ALL in your mind, it's sugar, there's nothing in it but filler!

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I go this afternoon for an MRI after six months of LDN. I have no idea if

it will show any improvements because the first six months after my

previous MRI I was on Copaxone and steadily progressing!

My last Nuro visit my nuro was impressed whit the changes LDN had made for

me, though he was concerned about my stopping Copaxone. I want to improve

and one will never get better taking poison!!!

Next nuro visit is on the 19 of Nov. and I will have a new MRI. I am

interested in seeing the reaction of my nuro, hopefully he will be a

convert????

B.

Original Message:

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From: LarryGC larrygc@...

Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:54:09 -0500

mswatchers , Spotlight_ldn ,

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] LDN is ALL in your mind, it's sugar, there's

nothing in it but filler!

That's it, the proof is in. LDN has done NOTHING for me, it's all in my

mind.

LDN hasn't done anything for any of us that we couldn't do by taking SUGAR.

Being able to manually curl my toes after 43 years of documented medical

records saying that I can't, and will never be able to, I just must have

decided the LDN would do that for me. And the other 4 people who emailed

me telling me they could never do it either, I just asked the question, so

POOF, you could.

My RLS going away 9 days after starting LDN, that was just a fluke too, it

went into remission 3 years and 22 days after it started, but has nothing

to do with LDN.

My bladder urgency went away 11 days after starting LDN, that was just a

fluke too, it went into remission 13 months after it started, but has

nothing to do with LDN, it's all in our minds.

My T5 choking spasms while drinking stopped after a month on LDN, just

another fluke, it went into remission 13 months after it started, but has

nothing to do with LDN, it's all in our minds.

My fatigue issues changed dramatically after starting LDN, but that too was

only in my mind. ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

My chiropractor during my first visit, 11 days after starting LDN, wanted

to know what I did in the last week because for 13 months prior my

adjustments weren't THE SAME as THAT DAY. He did not yet know I started

LDN. So that change must have been in my mind, and just his imagination.

I am so glad for pennies a day, my mind can fix itself.

Well, let's all meet here in 10 years and see how we're doing.

http://neuro-mancer.mgh.harvard.edu/ubb/Forum261/HTML/009196-2.html

dowNINit

Member

Posts: 52

From:

Registered: Nov 2001

posted 11-04-2003 10:12 AM

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wow, this thread almost brings tears to my eyes. FINALLY people

started to look at LDN with an objective point of view

i am not saying that I AM RIGHT, AND PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT LDN IS WRONG.

no not saying that, just telling you my opinion

like many of you said, i too did my research on LDN long time ago,

asked many, and i mean MANY neurologists about it, and finally concluded in

my mind that LDN is nothing but placebo effect. See Lary, when you started

LDN, you had HOPE. you put faith in that. like some of them cancer patients

who were given no more than 2 weeks to live, but when they were told that a

breakthrough magic pill was found for their case, and given to them, yep

they miracolously halted their cancer, and lived for years and years.(love,

medicine and miracles bernard siegel) hmmm may have the authors name wrong

there. but anyway, that magic pill was nothing but a sugar pill, so unless

in the very unlikely case of sugar curing cancer, its your own body

facilitated by your mindset, what stopped cancer.

see Lary. i sais all this because you seem to be a firm believer in

LDN, and thats great, who knows, maybe i am totally wrong, and you are very

right, and that LDN does stop MS exacerbations.

either case, im very happy that either LDN, or the classical

conditioning you have formed in your mind stopped the progression of your

illness.

god bless

Flowerlady

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Hi Larry,

I tried to post something to such board but, I don't know why, my

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It means I will have to register again with a new email...

However, for who's interested reading about Endorphins and MS, could

you please report them the following study carried very recently by

an important Italian Hospital?

Best Regards,

Massimo

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--- In low dose naltrexone , " LarryGC " <larrygc@s...>

wrote:

>

> That's it, the proof is in. LDN has done NOTHING for me, it's all

in my mind.

>

> LDN hasn't done anything for any of us that we couldn't do by

taking SUGAR.

>

> Being able to manually curl my toes after 43 years of documented

medical records saying that I can't, and will never be able to, I

just must have decided the LDN would do that for me. And the other 4

people who emailed me telling me they could never do it either, I

just asked the question, so POOF, you could.

>

> My RLS going away 9 days after starting LDN, that was just a fluke

too, it went into remission 3 years and 22 days after it started, but

has nothing to do with LDN.

>

> My bladder urgency went away 11 days after starting LDN, that was

just a fluke too, it went into remission 13 months after it started,

but has nothing to do with LDN, it's all in our minds.

>

> My T5 choking spasms while drinking stopped after a month on LDN,

just another fluke, it went into remission 13 months after it

started, but has nothing to do with LDN, it's all in our minds.

>

> My fatigue issues changed dramatically after starting LDN, but that

too was only in my mind. ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

>

> My chiropractor during my first visit, 11 days after starting LDN,

wanted to know what I did in the last week because for 13 months

prior my adjustments weren't THE SAME as THAT DAY. He did not yet

know I started LDN. So that change must have been in my mind, and

just his imagination.

>

> I am so glad for pennies a day, my mind can fix itself.

>

> Well, let's all meet here in 10 years and see how we're doing.

>

>

> http://neuro-mancer.mgh.harvard.edu/ubb/Forum261/HTML/009196-2.html

>

>

> dowNINit

> Member

> Posts: 52

> From:

> Registered: Nov 2001

> posted 11-04-2003 10:12 AM

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

------

> wow, this thread almost brings tears to my eyes. FINALLY

people started to look at LDN with an objective point of view

> i am not saying that I AM RIGHT, AND PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT LDN

IS WRONG. no not saying that, just telling you my opinion

> like many of you said, i too did my research on LDN long time

ago, asked many, and i mean MANY neurologists about it, and finally

concluded in my mind that LDN is nothing but placebo effect. See

Lary, when you started LDN, you had HOPE. you put faith in that. like

some of them cancer patients who were given no more than 2 weeks to

live, but when they were told that a breakthrough magic pill was

found for their case, and given to them, yep they miracolously halted

their cancer, and lived for years and years.(love, medicine and

miracles bernard siegel) hmmm may have the authors name wrong there.

but anyway, that magic pill was nothing but a sugar pill, so unless

in the very unlikely case of sugar curing cancer, its your own body

facilitated by your mindset, what stopped cancer.

>

> see Lary. i sais all this because you seem to be a firm

believer in LDN, and thats great, who knows, maybe i am totally

wrong, and you are very right, and that LDN does stop MS

exacerbations.

> either case, im very happy that either LDN, or the classical

conditioning you have formed in your mind stopped the progression of

your illness.

> god bless

>

> Flowerlady

[Guest guest]

I post the translation since it's short:

The beta-endorfina could have a role in the?downregulation? of the

inflammatory process in the multiple sclerosis

The Investigators of the Department of dell?Ospedale Neuroscienze

Saint Raffaele of Milan have verified l?esistenza of one possible

association between the concentrations of the beta-endorfina, one

endogenous oppioide substance, and l? heterogeneity of the clinical

passed one of the multiple sclerosis.

They have been measured the beta-endorfina concentrations in the

mononuclear cells of peripheral blood (PBMC) in 50 patients in

different is made of the multiple sclerosis.

A total of 39 patients has been subordinates to RMI of the cerebral

district.

The highest concentrations than beta-endorfina have been found in

cells PBMC of the patients with multiple sclerosis recidivante

remittente, while lowest in the patients with progressive shapes of

the disease.

It turns out you of the study indicate that the beta-endorfina can

have a role in reducing the inflammatory process to the base of the

multiple sclerosis (Xagena2003)

Gironi M ET to, J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 2003; 74:495-497

> >

> > That's it, the proof is in. LDN has done NOTHING for me, it's

all

> in my mind.

> >

> > LDN hasn't done anything for any of us that we couldn't do by

> taking SUGAR.

> >

> > Being able to manually curl my toes after 43 years of documented

> medical records saying that I can't, and will never be able to, I

> just must have decided the LDN would do that for me. And the other

4

> people who emailed me telling me they could never do it either, I

> just asked the question, so POOF, you could.

> >

> > My RLS going away 9 days after starting LDN, that was just a

fluke

> too, it went into remission 3 years and 22 days after it started,

but

> has nothing to do with LDN.

> >

> > My bladder urgency went away 11 days after starting LDN, that was

> just a fluke too, it went into remission 13 months after it

started,

> but has nothing to do with LDN, it's all in our minds.

> >

> > My T5 choking spasms while drinking stopped after a month on LDN,

> just another fluke, it went into remission 13 months after it

> started, but has nothing to do with LDN, it's all in our minds.

> >

> > My fatigue issues changed dramatically after starting LDN, but

that

> too was only in my mind. ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

> >

> > My chiropractor during my first visit, 11 days after starting

LDN,

> wanted to know what I did in the last week because for 13 months

> prior my adjustments weren't THE SAME as THAT DAY. He did not yet

> know I started LDN. So that change must have been in my mind, and

> just his imagination.

> >

> > I am so glad for pennies a day, my mind can fix itself.

> >

> > Well, let's all meet here in 10 years and see how we're doing.

> >

> >

> > http://neuro-mancer.mgh.harvard.edu/ubb/Forum261/HTML/009196-

2.html

> >

> >

> > dowNINit

> > Member

> > Posts: 52

> > From:

> > Registered: Nov 2001

> > posted 11-04-2003 10:12 AM

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------

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> ------

> > wow, this thread almost brings tears to my eyes. FINALLY

> people started to look at LDN with an objective point of view

> > i am not saying that I AM RIGHT, AND PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT LDN

> IS WRONG. no not saying that, just telling you my opinion

> > like many of you said, i too did my research on LDN long

time

> ago, asked many, and i mean MANY neurologists about it, and finally

> concluded in my mind that LDN is nothing but placebo effect. See

> Lary, when you started LDN, you had HOPE. you put faith in that.

like

> some of them cancer patients who were given no more than 2 weeks to

> live, but when they were told that a breakthrough magic pill was

> found for their case, and given to them, yep they miracolously

halted

> their cancer, and lived for years and years.(love, medicine and

> miracles bernard siegel) hmmm may have the authors name wrong

there.

> but anyway, that magic pill was nothing but a sugar pill, so unless

> in the very unlikely case of sugar curing cancer, its your own body

> facilitated by your mindset, what stopped cancer.

> >

> > see Lary. i sais all this because you seem to be a firm

> believer in LDN, and thats great, who knows, maybe i am totally

> wrong, and you are very right, and that LDN does stop MS

> exacerbations.

> > either case, im very happy that either LDN, or the

classical

> conditioning you have formed in your mind stopped the progression

of

> your illness.

> > god bless

> >

> > Flowerlady