Re: ReDianna:LDN and Dreams

[Guest guest]

Maybe only the angry ones go for analysis! So maybe you're both right.

[Guest guest]

Sorry Tom,

You missed that these things are subconscious. You speak about what is conscious. I can assure you that the homework is wery well done during 23 years work with MS patients, the results are good, especially good since LDN came into the picture.

I am only mentioning these things because I know how immensly valuable it is for MS patients to become aware of this.

I am not in any way criticising those who suffer from MS. On the contrary, I genuinely wish to share what has consistantly been valuable to those who got these insights.

Yours

Kristian

----- Original Message -----

From: tom bayuk

Kristian Dahl-Madsen

Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:49 PM

Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] ReDianna:LDN and Dreams

Dear Kristian,

You state:

"I have had more than 50 MS patients in analysis. There is only one thing which they all have in common: a very strong, stubborn anger which they more or less repress and subconsciously turn against themselves. This subconscious process weakens and twist their immune system. There are several reasons for MS. But you cannot develop a full MS without this reason, it is therefore of paramount importance that you

get this subconscious anger out of your system."

I am not in the medical profession, however, I have been in constant communication with hundred's of ms patient's during the last 20 years. To say that they all "have in common a very strong, stubborn anger which they more or less repress and subconsconscously turn against themselves". Is an irresponsible, inaccurate and completely false assumption that can do nothing but harm. Whether it be from innocence or ignorance does not matter. It has no merit and could possibly do significant harm.

Of the hundred's of ms'er's that I know less than 10% have such anger. Please do your homework before you make such profound and inaccurate assumptions.

Sorry to cause you grief but what is right is right and your conclusion is just plain wrong. No offense intended.

Most ms'er's are fighting the good fight with doing the best that they can with a willingness to help and are doing it with happy hearts. They are not angry at themselves and repressing that anger. It does not exist so it cannot be repressed.

Regards,

Tom

[Guest guest]

Hi and Tom,

I agree with both of you......I believe that there is a subconscious

anger involved in MS, but I call it STRESS. I am not an angry

person, but it is hard to deny or purge the anger inside this MS

monster.

I take Paxil for anxiety (which is a form of fear & anger). It

helps, and with a little Yoga and meditation, I am coping.

I also agree with the fact that we are not all the same, and,

although I think that you over-reacted a little, Tom, we are

deffinately not angry people, consciously, but we cannot consciously

control the subconscious anger/stress. If we had the answer to

that, then MS would never raise it's ugly head...I believe.

So ......How do we get this " subconscious anger out of our

systems " ???

Regards, Sally

> Sorry Tom,

>

> You missed that these things are subconscious. You speak about

what is conscious. I can assure you that the homework is wery well

done during 23 years work with MS patients, the results are good,

especially good since LDN came into the picture.

> I am only mentioning these things because I know how immensly

valuable it is for MS patients to become aware of this.

> I am not in any way criticising those who suffer from MS. On the

contrary, I genuinely wish to share what has consistantly been

valuable to those who got these insights.

>

> Yours

> Kristian

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: tom bayuk

> Kristian Dahl-Madsen

> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:49 PM

> Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] ReDianna:LDN and Dreams

>

>

> Dear Kristian,

> You state:

> " I have had more than 50 MS patients in analysis. There is only

one thing which they all have in common: a very strong, stubborn

anger which they more or less repress and subconsciously turn

against themselves. This subconscious process weakens and twist

their immune system. There are several reasons for MS. But you

cannot develop a full MS without this reason, it is therefore of

paramount importance that you

> get this subconscious anger out of your system. "

>

> I am not in the medical profession, however, I have been in

constant communication with hundred's of ms patient's during the

last 20 years. To say that they all " have in common a very strong,

stubborn anger which they more or less repress and subconsconscously

turn against themselves " . Is an irresponsible, inaccurate and

completely false assumption that can do nothing but harm. Whether

it be from innocence or ignorance does not matter. It has no merit

and could possibly do significant harm.

>

> Of the hundred's of ms'er's that I know less than 10% have such

anger. Please do your homework before you make such profound and

inaccurate assumptions.

>

> Sorry to cause you grief but what is right is right and your

conclusion is just plain wrong. No offense intended.

>

> Most ms'er's are fighting the good fight with doing the best

that they can with a willingness to help and are doing it with happy

hearts. They are not angry at themselves and repressing that

anger. It does not exist so it cannot be repressed.

> Regards,

> Tom

[Guest guest]

I certainly believe that anyone who has MS and cancer, as I have, will at

various times ask themselves the question, " Why me? " I know I do

occasionally unconsciously. When I recognize that I am doing it, I

deliberately try to change my thinking to a positive mood to try to prevent

the anger that goes along with the, " Why me? " question from becoming all

consuming and affectively killing me.

Noland

----- Original Message -----

From: " Sally " <salpal@...>

<low dose naltrexone >

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:41 AM

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: ReDianna:LDN and Dreams

> Hi and Tom,

>

> I agree with both of you......I believe that there is a subconscious

> anger involved in MS, but I call it STRESS. I am not an angry

> person, but it is hard to deny or purge the anger inside this MS

> monster.

>

> I take Paxil for anxiety (which is a form of fear & anger). It

> helps, and with a little Yoga and meditation, I am coping.

>

> I also agree with the fact that we are not all the same, and,

> although I think that you over-reacted a little, Tom, we are

> deffinately not angry people, consciously, but we cannot consciously

> control the subconscious anger/stress. If we had the answer to

> that, then MS would never raise it's ugly head...I believe.

>

> So ......How do we get this " subconscious anger out of our

> systems " ???

>

> Regards, Sally

>

>

>

> > Sorry Tom,

> >

> > You missed that these things are subconscious. You speak about

> what is conscious. I can assure you that the homework is wery well

> done during 23 years work with MS patients, the results are good,

> especially good since LDN came into the picture.

> > I am only mentioning these things because I know how immensly

> valuable it is for MS patients to become aware of this.

> > I am not in any way criticising those who suffer from MS. On the

> contrary, I genuinely wish to share what has consistantly been

> valuable to those who got these insights.

> >

> > Yours

> > Kristian

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: tom bayuk

> > Kristian Dahl-Madsen

> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:49 PM

> > Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] ReDianna:LDN and Dreams

> >

> >

> > Dear Kristian,

> > You state:

> > " I have had more than 50 MS patients in analysis. There is only

> one thing which they all have in common: a very strong, stubborn

> anger which they more or less repress and subconsciously turn

> against themselves. This subconscious process weakens and twist

> their immune system. There are several reasons for MS. But you

> cannot develop a full MS without this reason, it is therefore of

> paramount importance that you

> > get this subconscious anger out of your system. "

> >

> > I am not in the medical profession, however, I have been in

> constant communication with hundred's of ms patient's during the

> last 20 years. To say that they all " have in common a very strong,

> stubborn anger which they more or less repress and subconsconscously

> turn against themselves " . Is an irresponsible, inaccurate and

> completely false assumption that can do nothing but harm. Whether

> it be from innocence or ignorance does not matter. It has no merit

> and could possibly do significant harm.

> >

> > Of the hundred's of ms'er's that I know less than 10% have such

> anger. Please do your homework before you make such profound and

> inaccurate assumptions.

> >

> > Sorry to cause you grief but what is right is right and your

> conclusion is just plain wrong. No offense intended.

> >

> > Most ms'er's are fighting the good fight with doing the best

> that they can with a willingness to help and are doing it with happy

> hearts. They are not angry at themselves and repressing that

> anger. It does not exist so it cannot be repressed.

> > Regards,

> > Tom

>

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