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Elaine -

I never thought about those wooden massage thingy's. I wonder how my

coworkers would feel with my feet hanging out all over the place. You know

they are so pretty, with all the psoriasis and everything. :-)

My husband is real good about massaging me. Every night he rubs them. Last

night though my toe was hurting so bad I couldn't even stand water hitting it

in the shower. And then of course 2 of my cats decided they wanted to play

and ran over my toe.

It was not very comical. I said words I hadn't said in years! :-)

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Hi,

My husband does the same thing everynight with the massaging. We do

something called scratch and rub he sits in front of me and I scratch his

back while he rubs my feet, it's worked for 8 years so far. I have two dogs

and they just know where I hurt and they make sure they hit every spot before

we go to bed. My feet also have the arthritis in them and the psoriasis so

needless to say they get yelled at a lot. I also wanted to mention The Rude

e-mail you received was uncalled for anyone with a sense of humor would have

caught what you meant I actually chuckled at your e-mail!!! This list is

getting a little touchy in the last few days!!!

Well take care

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Re: Sex and sexual obsessions

Kathy,

Can you find two more complicated issues- talking to your child about sex, and

dealing with sexual obsessions? It can be overwhelming and uncomfortable for a

parent as well as a child (and a therapist). I think that two anchoring points

are the following: first- and most

essential, making sure that there is a clear framework wherein you've

established that the " obsession " part- the pictures, impulses, whatever, are not

your child, that they are OCD. That OCD can take normal feelings and stretch

them so far that you feel like a " sicko, weirdo etc "

but that that is on OCD- it's not a reflection of who you are or what you want.

Without knowing the particulars of your son's case I can only generalize- some

kids have intrusive thoughts about other people (family etc) others feel they

need to avoid even " normal " suggestive

material because it reflects negatively on them ---e.g., listening to a Ricky

song or watching a couple kissing on tv becomes intolerable because OCD

has made them convinced that they are sick and that they " want " to be thinking

about sex all the time. So the framework is to

distinguish what is OCD from the will of the child. I refer to this as the fork

in the road- OCD may want to take him down a dark path, what does he want? OCD

doesn't know what's " normal " and may make him feel guilty for all sexual

thoughts etc. So one step is helping your child

sort out what is typical what is not. Though of course there is huge

variability in what's typical. But you or your husband can help your son know

what 12 year olds tend to think about about sex. The issues that fall outside

of that parameter are probably OCD- but the best way to

find out is to ask your son whether he wants to be thinking about them- if yes,

no problem, if no, that's something to either boss back or possible do flooding

on.

Second, stepping back from the whole OCD question- how to talk to kids about

sex, my gut reaction is take it slow! Ask your child what he already knows

about a topic, what he has questions about, and just provide a little bit of

information. When we are anxious, our ability to take

in and learn info is limited. It's possible that the behavior therapist could

be involved too. In the course of doing exposure with a child I'm working with

now with this problem, it has made sense to do some sex ed to distinguish that

from OCD-

Of course as with all issues, leave the door open, normalize how uncomfortable

it can be to talk about this, but model that it is such an important topic that

you (and hopefully he) are willing to endure the discomfort for a good cause.

There are some good books for kids about sex

and sexuality from Planned Parenthood- I don't have the references, but you may

want to check out their website.

I don't know about the film you mentioned- could you tell me where to get it?

Best

Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.

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Hi Dr. Chansky:

Thank you very much indeed for your wonderful advice about giving sexual

education to a child with OCD including sexual obsessions. I think Steve

has done very well recognizing what is OCD and feel he can work well at

doing this with sexual obsessions. He does not seem to have problems with

normal suggestive material although what does a parent of an OCDer really

know?

The hard part for me is relating to what a 12-year old boy thinks about sex

:-)) I had to discuss this with my husband, , to learn what that is

really like. That was a very interesting conversation! I have already

told Steve we need to have a conversation about sex and he offered to read

the book I bought his older brother to read some years ago. I will look

into the Planned Parenthood materials as you suggest.

The Gomes' film is reviewed on the OCF web site this month (book and movie

reviews). It also gives the link to his web site,

http://www.redlightaugust.com. I saw it first at the OCSDA conference

where there was an adults only showing. My copy was purchased directly

from Jeff Gomes.

Thanks again for your helpful suggestions. We are so lucky to have someone

with your experience and knowledge on this list. Sometimes I get dire

warnings, especially from physician relatives about getting advice for

problems on the Internet. They seem to feel that consumers are in danger

of getting really poor information on the Internet. When I reassure them

that we have expert docs on these lists they are very surprised!

Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

You wrote:

>>

>>Re: Sex and sexual obsessions

>>

>>Kathy,

>>

>>Can you find two more complicated issues- talking to your child about sex,

>and dealing with sexual obsessions? It can be overwhelming and

>uncomfortable for a parent as well as a child (and a therapist). I think

>that two anchoring points are the following: first- and most

>>essential, making sure that there is a clear framework wherein you've

>established that the " obsession " part- the pictures, impulses, whatever, are

>not your child, that they are OCD. That OCD can take normal feelings and

>stretch them so far that you feel like a " sicko, weirdo etc "

>>but that that is on OCD- it's not a reflection of who you are or what you

>want. Without knowing the particulars of your son's case I can only

>generalize- some kids have intrusive thoughts about other people (family

>etc) others feel they need to avoid even " normal " suggestive

>>material because it reflects negatively on them ---e.g., listening to a

>Ricky song or watching a couple kissing on tv becomes intolerable

>because OCD has made them convinced that they are sick and that they " want "

>to be thinking about sex all the time. So the framework is to

>>distinguish what is OCD from the will of the child. I refer to this as the

>fork in the road- OCD may want to take him down a dark path, what does he

>want? OCD doesn't know what's " normal " and may make him feel guilty for all

>sexual thoughts etc. So one step is helping your child

>>sort out what is typical what is not. Though of course there is huge

>variability in what's typical. But you or your husband can help your son

>know what 12 year olds tend to think about about sex. The issues that fall

>outside of that parameter are probably OCD- but the best way to

>>find out is to ask your son whether he wants to be thinking about them- if

>yes, no problem, if no, that's something to either boss back or possible do

>flooding on.

>>

>>Second, stepping back from the whole OCD question- how to talk to kids

>about sex, my gut reaction is take it slow! Ask your child what he already

>knows about a topic, what he has questions about, and just provide a little

>bit of information. When we are anxious, our ability to take

>>in and learn info is limited. It's possible that the behavior therapist

>could be involved too. In the course of doing exposure with a child I'm

>working with now with this problem, it has made sense to do some sex ed to

>distinguish that from OCD-

>>

>>Of course as with all issues, leave the door open, normalize how

>uncomfortable it can be to talk about this, but model that it is such an

>important topic that you (and hopefully he) are willing to endure the

>discomfort for a good cause. There are some good books for kids about sex

>>and sexuality from Planned Parenthood- I don't have the references, but you

>may want to check out their website.

>>

>>I don't know about the film you mentioned- could you tell me where to get

it?

>>

>>Best

>>

>>Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.

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Hi I'm Patti and I'm new today!

My son Mat is 11. He is diagnosed with Tourette's, ADHD, and Oppositional

Defiant Disorder. He also has violent rage attacks.

His doctors agree that his rages are triggered by obsessive thinking. And he

is only defiant when he is obsessing.

No one has diagnosed him with OCD yet, but I think he does have OCD.

Mat is currently taking Luvox and it is working well. He is taking 200 mg

per day and we don't know if he is up to a therapeutic dose yet since it has

been only one week since the last increase in dosage.

Mat's obsession is with getting Pokèmon things. Before the Luvox he would go

into a rage if he could not get a Pokéthing.

Does anyone know what kind of therapy helps with the obsessive thinking?

Patti

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Dear Patti (who is new to the list),

Welcome! I sympathize with you about the Pokemon issue. Pokemon is

marketed to be addictive to children and children who obsess are very

vulnerable to this pressure. My daughter is six and already involved

with Pokethings! The peer pressure to be in the know about it is

enormous.

I think you will find lots of help and info on this list. My daughter

(diagnosed OCD) has been helped by CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) in

addition to taking Prozac.

Take care,

Lesli (Bay Area)

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Hi Patti and Welcome,

My daughter, - 6 yrs old, has been on Luvox (100 mg a day) for about

a year now (Prozac from the age of 3 1/2 till 5yrs old). She also takes

Depakote (since August) for her severe storms (outburst) and moods. She has

responded extremely well to the Depakote- keeping her pretty even. When

there is alot of anxiety (something at school etc.) she still goes into

minor storms (not as aggressive and violent). But overall she is so much

better. This goes hand in hand with her Behavior Therapist. Without

learning how to label her obsessions and " boss them back " I don't believe we

would be where we are. She is now entering the " Germ " phase. and it's

easier for us to help her label it from past therapy. When we keep her

storms in tack we can fight the OC a hundred times better.

Good luck,

in PA

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>From: PMbeers9@...

>

>Hi I'm Patti and I'm new today!

>My son Mat is 11. He is diagnosed with Tourette's, ADHD, and Oppositional

>Defiant Disorder. He also has violent rage attacks.

>

>His doctors agree that his rages are triggered by obsessive thinking. And

he

>is only defiant when he is obsessing.

>No one has diagnosed him with OCD yet, but I think he does have OCD.

>

>Mat is currently taking Luvox and it is working well. He is taking 200 mg

>per day and we don't know if he is up to a therapeutic dose yet since it

has

>been only one week since the last increase in dosage.

>

>Mat's obsession is with getting Pokèmon things. Before the Luvox he would

go

>into a rage if he could not get a Pokéthing.

>

>Does anyone know what kind of therapy helps with the obsessive thinking?

>Patti

>

>>You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing

>listserv@... .

>In the body of your message write:

>subscribe OCD-L your name.

>The archives for the OCD and

>Parenting List may be accessed by going to

> .

>Enter your email address and password.

>Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index.

>

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Hi Patti and Welcome,

My daughter, - 6 yrs old, has been on Luvox (100 mg a day) for about

a year now (Prozac from the age of 3 1/2 till 5yrs old). She also takes

Depakote (since August) for her severe storms (outburst) and moods. She has

responded extremely well to the Depakote- keeping her pretty even. When

there is alot of anxiety (something at school etc.) she still goes into

minor storms (not as aggressive and violent). But overall she is so much

better. This goes hand in hand with her Behavior Therapist. Without

learning how to label her obsessions and " boss them back " I don't believe we

would be where we are. She is now entering the " Germ " phase. and it's

easier for us to help her label it from past therapy. When we keep her

storms in tack we can fight the OC a hundred times better.

Good luck,

in PA

Re: Digest Number 272

>From: PMbeers9@...

>

>Hi I'm Patti and I'm new today!

>My son Mat is 11. He is diagnosed with Tourette's, ADHD, and Oppositional

>Defiant Disorder. He also has violent rage attacks.

>

>His doctors agree that his rages are triggered by obsessive thinking. And

he

>is only defiant when he is obsessing.

>No one has diagnosed him with OCD yet, but I think he does have OCD.

>

>Mat is currently taking Luvox and it is working well. He is taking 200 mg

>per day and we don't know if he is up to a therapeutic dose yet since it

has

>been only one week since the last increase in dosage.

>

>Mat's obsession is with getting Pokèmon things. Before the Luvox he would

go

>into a rage if he could not get a Pokéthing.

>

>Does anyone know what kind of therapy helps with the obsessive thinking?

>Patti

>

>>You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing

>listserv@... .

>In the body of your message write:

>subscribe OCD-L your name.

>The archives for the OCD and

>Parenting List may be accessed by going to

> .

>Enter your email address and password.

>Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index.

>

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Believe me! The Pokemon phase will go away!!! After hundreds of cards

later, my 9 year old son is done! It only last about a year here. Him and

his school friends think they're " dorky " and are totally not into them

anymore. I'm glad!!! However, now it's the Backstreet Boys! heheeheh! If

it's not one thing it's another. I think this is just a normal kid kind of

obsession.....

in seattle

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> From: Masoud Molaei <desk@...>

>

> Dear Patti (who is new to the list),

>

> Welcome! I sympathize with you about the Pokemon issue. Pokemon is

> marketed to be addictive to children and children who obsess are very

> vulnerable to this pressure. My daughter is six and already involved

> with Pokethings! The peer pressure to be in the know about it is

> enormous.

>

> I think you will find lots of help and info on this list. My daughter

> (diagnosed OCD) has been helped by CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) in

> addition to taking Prozac.

>

> Take care,

> Lesli (Bay Area)

>

> > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing

> listserv@... .

> In the body of your message write:

> subscribe OCD-L your name.

> The archives for the OCD and

> Parenting List may be accessed by going to

> .

> Enter your email address and password.

> Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index.

>

>

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Believe me! The Pokemon phase will go away!!! After hundreds of cards

later, my 9 year old son is done! It only last about a year here. Him and

his school friends think they're " dorky " and are totally not into them

anymore. I'm glad!!! However, now it's the Backstreet Boys! heheeheh! If

it's not one thing it's another. I think this is just a normal kid kind of

obsession.....

in seattle

Re: Digest Number 272

> From: Masoud Molaei <desk@...>

>

> Dear Patti (who is new to the list),

>

> Welcome! I sympathize with you about the Pokemon issue. Pokemon is

> marketed to be addictive to children and children who obsess are very

> vulnerable to this pressure. My daughter is six and already involved

> with Pokethings! The peer pressure to be in the know about it is

> enormous.

>

> I think you will find lots of help and info on this list. My daughter

> (diagnosed OCD) has been helped by CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) in

> addition to taking Prozac.

>

> Take care,

> Lesli (Bay Area)

>

> > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing

> listserv@... .

> In the body of your message write:

> subscribe OCD-L your name.

> The archives for the OCD and

> Parenting List may be accessed by going to

> .

> Enter your email address and password.

> Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index.

>

>

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Hi,

This is Miranda. I have a few questions, but before I get to them, I want

to say a big thank you to the list for all the suggestions I have received

since my original postings. Indeed, I received so many emails I haven't

even been able to reply to some yet. And like most of North America (it

would seem) I have been out with the flu since last week.

On with my questions... <g>

First of all, for those of you knowledgeable in regards to 'parasites'.

How does one know if they have parasites? What are the symptoms? How do

get these? At this point, this question is basically out of ignorance, but

I really would like to know.

It has been almost two weeks, maybe three, since I began cutting out sugar

from my diet. Not in fruits, but rather candy, chocolate, etc. Aside from

having the flu, it really has made a difference! I feel less fatigued and

more alert. Unfortunately, it does not appear to have done anything re: my

bowels. The only time I have had a significant BM in the past month is

when I did an at-home Fleet enema. I am starting to think that I am so

impacted that nothing I can do will help.

Another condition I was hoping to get a few opinions on is excessively

cold hands and feet? I know these are-can-be a symptoms of anaemia, but

what can I do? I am kind of confused about protein intakes, because some

websites say to have only 2 servings of meat a week, and others saya

person with anemia needs to eat more red meat. So which is it? I'm getting

tired of running to the bathroom and holding my hands under hot water just

to feel fingertips again :/

My last question... what is a master cleanse? What do you do for this?

Well, I wish I could offer some support, but I am pretty much ignorant of

most of what is talked about....but I will learn. :D

Thanks again everyone, Miranda

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

~ Miranda .M. *

* miranda@... ~

~ private email welcome *

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

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on 1/16/00 6:49 PM, Miranda at miranda@... wrote:

> From: Miranda <miranda@...>

>

> Hi,

>

> This is Miranda. I have a few questions, but before I get to them, I want

> to say a big thank you to the list for all the suggestions I have received

> since my original postings. Indeed, I received so many emails I haven't

> even been able to reply to some yet. And like most of North America (it

> would seem) I have been out with the flu since last week.

Flu/cold cure:

Take 3% hydrogen peroxide, lie on one side, put a dropper or two (fill up

the outer ear canal) in the ear, let it bubble until it is done, then turn

over and do the other ear. If you do this at the first sign of symptoms, you

more than likely will not get sick. If you are already sick, you might want

to do it 2-3 times per day for a day or two, but you should see IMMEDIATE

relief of major symptoms, will near 100% relief within 24-48 hours.

This is apparently very effective, most of the time, for most people.

Personally, I have heard of ONE person (out of dozens) who claims it did not

work.

Also, it does NOT work for allergies, just flu and colds.

There is more info on this at:

http://cat007.com/

Cheers...

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Miranda, sounds like your going to need to a full bag enema on a regular

basis for some time and combine them with a series of colonics to get your

bowels in shape. fred

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Miranda, your cold hands and feet could be circulation problems. Have you

ever tried 90,000 cayenne. I take 1tsp in water three times a day. It gets

my circulation going, warms me up and is a great stimulant to both mind and

body. Hard to take, but this is one quick fix that I never forget. The

benefits start within 10 seconds. Cayenne has 100's of uses and benefits.

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As far as group insurance goes, they can't exclude a condition you

currently have. There may be a wait in an existing condition, but if you

are employable, you should be insurable.

Gay

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> 1. Looking for a job with Hepatitis C

> From: H Pursley <pursleym@...>

> 2. Re: Looking for a job with Hepatitis C

> From: TreeSkinnr@...

>

>

>________________________________________________________________________

>________________________________________________________________________

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>Message: 1

> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:00:02 -0600

> From: H Pursley <pursleym@...>

>Subject: Looking for a job with Hepatitis C

>

>Greetings to Fellow Travelers;

>

> My name is and I live in St. Louis, Missouri. I was diagnosed with

>Hepatitis C in December of 1998. I have been receiving

>treatment over the past 12 months consisting of INTERFERON A, RIBOVIRON,

>WELLBUTRIN, and REMERON. This treatment regiment has now ceased and my

>current medications include MULTIVITAMENS [especially C], MINERIAL

>SUPPLEMENTS, MILKTHISTLE, LICORICE ROOT, LECITHIN, GARLIC, and ECHINACEA.

>My current blood test shows a viral load of 225,000 per ml.

> My background is that I was an EMT for 6 years, then a paramedic for 11

>years, and currently a nurse, RN, 6 years, trama nurse specialists, E.R.

>It is most likely that I was exposed to Hepatitis C because of my work as

>a result of a needle stick and/or contact with blood from a patient. I

>have never used drugs nor have I engaged in any life style activities

>that would endanger my life.

> I am married with the responsibility for the raising of two small

>children, a 2 year old girl and a 3 year old boy. My wife is a

>phlebotomist, a blood specialist, working at the same local hospital were

>I worked and where we met. I am 49 years old and she is 29 years young.

> I have not been able to work for he past year and am now unemployed. As

>you might suspect I am concerned about looking for a job. I am still a

>nurse with current licences and certifications. My concern is what should

>I do, and say, when I look for a job and during the interview? I will not

>lie about my condition as it would be unfair, and possibly illegal, to

>withhold personal medical information. If I try to return to nursing will

>I expose those placed in my care to Hepatitis C? Will any of the health

>benefits that go with employment be denied me? Might not an insurance

>company refuse to cover me under a group plan and thus make me

>unemployable?

> The main reason I am writing this letter is to ask for help and advice

>in finding a job. Does anyone know of a place in the St Louis area that

>would consider hiring a nurse with Hepatitis C? I would consider moving

>if I have to but, I would prefer to stay in my home if I can. I am very

>concerned about finances, both now and in the future.

> I have been thinking about a career change. The work as an ER nurse is

>very stressful with long hours. I am considering a shift to something

>such as home health care, patient outreach, community affairs, or even

>social work where I can use my medical training, experiences, and my

>current direct personal knowledge of an ongoing chronic disease process

>to help others. Who hires people like me?

> I also need to know if I am protected by any laws, rules, or regulations

>concerning job discriminations for people with Hepatitis C? I cannot

>prove that the exposure to Hepatitis C occurred while working, although

>it would seem unlikely that my exposure could have occurred anywhere

>else. My medical insurance is provided through my wife, although the

>deductibles are quite high especially for medications. I could not afford

>medical insurance otherwise such as COBRA.

> Can anybody out there give me some guidelines as to where to and how to

>find work or change to a new career? I have no where else to turn to or

>even where to start. I have been trying to use books, WHAT COLOR IS YOUR

>PARACHUTE, and software but I can't find anything that deals with my

>problems Please help if you can.

>

>With thanks and respect;

>

>

>

>________________________________________________________________________

>________________________________________________________________________

>

>Message: 2

> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:54:19 EDT

> From: TreeSkinnr@...

>Subject: Re: Looking for a job with Hepatitis C

>

>Hi : I can " hear " the concern in your message. I'm not100% sure, but

>I'm not aware of any law that requires you to disclose that information in

>order to qualify or maintain a job (don't you imagine there are thousands of

>health care professionals in the same boat as you right now?) Maybe you can

>consult an attorney. But if you are ready for a career shift, what about

>teaching? You mention your wife works with blood products; has she been

>tested?

>

>Sounds like the combo treatment has been successful for you so far. We;ll

>keep our fingers crossed for you. Tree

>

>

>

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Hello Everyone!

I am new to the list, but not new to Dr. 's books and research. I

really feel it necessary to respond to the post from Ludmil Egov about

freaking out. Yes, the subject matter IS gross and disgusting. Yes, it could

make you paranoid. However-- isn't it freeing to know that there is a method

with which to combat the awful truth? That in the face of all this chaos and

madness, there is something you can DO? Take AIDS, for instance. A completely

" incurable disease " , one that has the top scientific minds in our country

baffled and is beyond their comprehension. THAT news should make you paranoid

enough not to eat in restaurants for fear that drops of sweat or tears from

the cook or server may fall from their forehead, into your food, in transit.

Cancer -- the crapshoot of radiation therapy and other protocols, including

surgical removal, where nothing is guaranteed. THAT should make you nervous.

This flesh eating virus that frightens even the medical community. Isn't it

comforting to know that you can be on a program that will lessen your

susceptibilty to these " rolls of life's dice " ?

The parasite program, in the overall scheme of things, is far less costly, in

money, health and emotional terms than allopathic medicine -- after the fact.

Organic produce and staples are more expensive than those riddled with

pesticides and those genetically altered. Yet when you begin to live a

healthier life, you realise that all those processed foods you previously

purchased were higher in cost, by far. Not to mention the fact that your

garbage pick-up decreases by half, or more. And these products CAN be found,

with very little effort. The balance of the grocery money you once spent on

ho-ho's and dead, canned vegetables, sauces, dressings, spice blends, an

overabundance of meat, and store bought ice cream can then be spent on

quality personal care and cleaning products, suppliments and essential oils.

Overall health improves and after initial investments, you still have enough

left over for that favorite CD or a trip to the movies.

My family and I ascribe to and follow the parasite program, use the healthier

cleaning products, and when we go out, we use high quality essential oils

with antibacterial, antimicrobial, antiviral properties as a barrier between

us and the outside world. We use napkins on grocery cart handles and to open

bathroom doors. I notice many people practising this, out there. My children

have been taught not to kiss on the mouth or eat or drink after anyone. In

all other ways, we lead " normal " healthy lives. Some people in my extended

family and circle of friends think I'm a little " off " , as they sit home and

nurse their colds, flu or other viruses, rather than go play with us at the

beach.

All in all, I'm sure you'll agree that having a barrier between you and

those things you've learned to be paranoid of can give you a sense of peace

and freedom you'd never have dreamt possible, before. As for the Himalayas, I

wouldn't suggest going there, unless you're prepared to give up things like,

oh let's see...... bleached flour, chlorinated water, flouride, white sugar

products, carbonation, traditional laundry products and hair and body care

products, pastries, ice cream, petroleum jelly, refrigeration and heat up of

left overs, sausage and processed meats, nitrites, genetically altered fruits

and vegetables, SLS, MSG, APARTAME and the like. DO, however, be prepared to

eat the traditional, local fare, which, more than likely contains natural

anti-parasitical ingredients in abundance. And use their local folk medicine

which probably consists, largely, of natural herbs and non-invasive therapies

and cleansing.

One thought, though. Wouldn't it be more comfortable and practical to do

all that here, yourself?

Just my two cents.

Penny

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In a message dated 7/26/00 4:23:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< I think that paper is

updated to the point where it makes a useful read. Parents always decide

after that. >>

I agree. I just wanted to point out that Pat Kane's notes just don't add up.

Best of luck.

Beth

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Can you tell me how they don't add up? Thanks

Kathy

Re: [ ] Digest Number 272

>In a message dated 7/26/00 4:23:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> egroups writes:

>

><< I think that paper is

> updated to the point where it makes a useful read. Parents always decide

> after that. >>

>I agree. I just wanted to point out that Pat Kane's notes just don't add

up.

>Best of luck.

>Beth

>

>

>

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Can you explain how her notes don't add up?

Carmelina

Re: [ ] Digest Number 272

>In a message dated 7/26/00 4:23:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> egroups writes:

>

><< I think that paper is

> updated to the point where it makes a useful read. Parents always decide

> after that. >>

>I agree. I just wanted to point out that Pat Kane's notes just don't add

up.

>Best of luck.

>Beth

>

>

>

>

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Hi Angie,

You raise a very good question that I really don't have a well grounded

answer for. I have not heard of specific cases of this cause, But I have

heard a lot of statements that differing metallic elements introduced into

the mouth can set up an electrical field especially when saliva secretions

are flowing and these can be harmful, especially to sensitive people. Now

your dentist will say that thousands of people have had this dental " bridge "

procedure and epilepsy is not a " significant " consequence. Meaning it didn't

occur in such a large number of people as to be more than just the normal

incidence of epilepsy in the general population. Not very comforting-even if

they ever did carry out such a study. You might want to ask him if you could

see the study- after all you are very concerned and you have the time and

desire to plough through the data. I'll bet there is no study!

Some of the holistic dental sites on the web might be a good source of

information. Look up Dr.Hal Huggins,DDS he might have something on it.

Good luck,

arnold Gore

Consumers Health Freedom Coalition

Re: Fluoride Does not Protect teeth from cavities.

>

> I am new to this list, but I know of Arnold Gore from

> cancer cure list. Hello Arnold. I have a seizure

> disorder. My meds work, but I would like to avoid

> side effects later on in life. I have, according to

> my doctor, complex partial seizures although that does

> not seem to fit my symptoms. I think my symptoms are

> more in line with what I read about simple partial.

>

> I am curious about whether or not a land bridge

> that I have in my mouth could be causing any of my

> problems. I had it put in years ago, but also

> starting having seizures years ago. I would like

> someone to follow up with me regarding this. I had

> asked my dentist quite some time ago and of course he

> said no there could be no problem.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Angie

> --- Arnold Gore <arnoldgore@...> wrote:

> > Syke,

> > Your feelings are much more scientifically informed

> > your dentist's. But at least you don't have to

> > listen to the American Dental Association. They are

> > so deeply committed to justifying their irresonsible

> > action in consenting to appove fluoride at the

> > federal governments urging in 1945, and they are

> > facing such enormous legal liabilities if and when

> > they lose the case, that they have thoroughly

> > terrorized their members into accepting fluoride or

> > at least not openly opposing it. The same for

> > Mercury amalgum fillings. At Best the huge studies

> > of fluoridated and non fluoridated water show NO

> > EFFECT. The real danger though is that if your child

> > is given too much fluoride, which has happened and

> > SWALLOWS it HE CAN DIE!! Some children have in rare

> > instances. Usually the don't swallow it, but

> > accidents do happen. Some young children have died

> > from dental overdoses poorly monitored.

> > A risk easily avoided.

> > Arnold Gore

> > Consumers Health Freedom

> > Coalition

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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In a message dated 1/23/2003 8:21:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

> ABC's " Closer look " -SMA on TV!

>

>

, I didn't see it and wish I had so I checked out both ABC and NBC web

sites and couldn't find anything. Are you sure of the station? Let us know if

you find out more. Love to all, Vickie 0:)

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Hi everyone,

Well I finally got my LDN and took my first dose last night. I am only on 2

mgs but after 3 hrs of sleep I woke up and then was up every hour after

that. Today I am tired and slightly dizzy so I am not going to drive but no

stiffness. It seems everyone takes it at a different time and I decided to

take it about 10:30 pm since I don't go to bed real early and in case we go

out and I'm not back by 9 I won't throw the time off. Hope everyone is doing

well.

Long

----- Original Message -----

From: <low dose naltrexone >

<low dose naltrexone >

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:46 AM

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Digest Number 272

>

>

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In a message dated 12/5/03 9:36:42 PM, mail-lists@... writes:

This really sucks. I have had a prescription for this for two months and I

keep getting told it will be released next month. I am on Aldactone with

reasonable results, but being male do not appreciate my chest growing and

being extremely tender!!! I also do not like being on the leading edge of a

new drug, but am anxious to find out if it works better! Maybe I'll really

be able to get it in January! By the way, I have secondary

hyperaldosternoism caused by a really high renin level.

Doc Grim we have discussed me a lot in bloodpressureline.

Ken

Have you tired the DASH Diet?

Also in general spiro may not lower BP much in secondary as the renin will keep going up. Have you been tried on spiro and HCTZ and an ARB or a ACE?? also a BB will lower renin in some.

If your BP is normal only on spiro then you can expect similar benefit from Inspra.

It should be noted here and I dont think I have said this before here-in order for aldosterone to cause high blood pressure etc you also have to be on a high salt diet: human or rat or mouse.

If the diet sodium is kept very low, aldo does not effect BP etc.

May your pressure be low!

CE Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD.

Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Published over 230 research papers, chapters and reviews in the area of high blood pressure: epidemiology, history, endocrinology, genetics and physiology.

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> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:52:07 EST

> From: lowerbp2@...

> Subject: Inspra to be launched in US in Jan 04.

>

> Just spoke with local Pfizer rep and he tells me Inspra will be launched

> in

> US in Jan-with a focus on CHF. Guess it shows you what they know about

> the

> market in HTN.

>

>

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> CE Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD.

> Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

> Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

> Published over 230 research papers, chapters and reviews in the area of

> high

> blood pressure: epidemiology, history, endocrinology, genetics and

> physiology.

>

>

This really sucks. I have had a prescription for this for two months and I

keep getting told it will be released next month. I am on aldactone with

reasonable results, but being male do not appreciate my chest growing and

being extremely tender!!! I also do not like being on the leading edge of a

new drug, but am anxious to find out if it works better! Maybe I'll really

be able to get it in January! By the way, I have secondary

hyperaldosternoism caused by a really high renin level.

Doc Grim we have discussed me a lot in bloodpressureline.

Ken

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Kathy - The first exchange is ....... beyond my words. Read it.

Love,

Gordon

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 wrote:

>

>

> There are 5 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. Re: Hello, I am new . . .

> From: " Doug " <uca79ii@...>

> 2. Re: Hello, I am new . . .

> From: " pyle456 " <coachmac@...>

> 3. Re: updates and so forth

> From: " pyle456 " <coachmac@...>

> 4. Re: Introducing myself

> From: " heather " <heaven1975@...>

> 5. Re: Re: updates and so forth

> From: " Currier " <redsoxkitten@...>

>

>

> ________________________________________________________________________

> ________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:13:15 -0000

> From: " Doug " <uca79ii@...>

> Subject: Re: Hello, I am new . . .

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hello everyone!

> >

> > My name is , I'm an asthmatic of 14 years, steroid

> dependant for

> > five years running. I've been disabled (on social security) for

> the last

> > three years. I'm a mom of 2 children and I live in Haverhill,

> MA. (About

> > an hour north of Boston)

> >

> > My current daily meds are prednisone, singulair, advair and

> nexium, and I

> > also receive 60mg kenelog injections every two weeks. I have some

> PRN meds

> > for migraines or a very seldom anxiety attack. As you know, an

> anxiety

> > attack can and most likely WILL lead to an asthma attack!

> >

> > I see a specialist in Boston for my asthma. He's the head of the

> Center for

> > Chest Diseases at Brigham & Women's Hospital. I owe him a ton,

> and we're

> > both patiently awaiting information to see if my insurance company

> will

> > listen to his pleas and let me start Xolair treatments.

> >

> > I've learned SO MUCH from my doctor about asthma, how to handle

> and treat my

> > flare ups, how to see them coming and what my limitations are.

> I've managed

> > to cut my yearly hospital stay total from 6-12 down to about 3 or

> 4. The

> > last time I was admitted was in July and I was in for just five

> days this

> > time. Before that, I was in for a longer stay at the end of

> > January/beginning of February.

> >

> > My attacks MAINLY stem from allergies, but I'm prone to exercise

> and stress

> > induced attacks as well. I'm hoping that the Xolair will cut down

> on my

> > allergy related attacks and therefor make me less prone to the

> other types.

> > It seems right now that my lungs are in a constant state of

> inflammation

> > making every attack a bad attack.

> >

> > I do everything I'm supposed to do. By staying in a controlled

> environment

> > most of the time because I don't work, it's easier for me to keep

> track of

> > my peak flow several times per day and not worry about a

> supervisor at work

> > getting angry because I need a neb treatment!

> >

> > I'm lucky to have a fantastic support system in my family, friends

> and

> > doctors (specialists as well as my primary care) and I have a

> positive

> > attitude about my day to day life.

> >

> > I'm looking forward to hearing about the changes Xolair has made

> for some of

> > you, and hoping to see many of my questions addressed just by

> reading the

> > posts!

> >

> > Breath easy everyone and have a great rest of the weekend!

> >

> > Love and Hugs ~

> >

> >

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