Re: Off Topic - Arthritis

March 6, 2002

It was the funniest thing.This morning I was talking to my aunt. I had to

share my good news about how these alternatives are helping my dad,and she

proceeds to tell me about here pain in her feet and how someone told her the

same thing you mentioned below. She said the pain was gone. I couldn't

believe I was reading the exact same thing.So just to let everyone know you

are on the money with that one.

>From: " A. C. Brown " <abrown101@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: [ ] Off topic - arthritis

>Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:39:32 -0500

>

>Off topic - arthritis

>

>Grassroots " recipe " against Arthitis from Dr. Wallch ND, DVM. Very

>successful for thousands over the last 25 years.

>

>Two scoops of Knox gelatine per day, one scoop in morning and one scoop in

>afternoon. Knox has a special type out now for use with arthritis. Contains

>added nutrients.

>

>Each scoop in 6 oz. Minute Maid orange juice containing Calcium. Best

>version is bottled type saying " not from concentrate " on the label. Or

>Tropicanna with Calcium, not from concentrate. Include good overall Vit/Min

>supplement daily with trace minerals like liquid Body Balance from Life

>Force International of San Diego. Knox's special gelatine for arthritis is

>starting to show up in major supermarket chains. About $10. See also

>www.nutrajoint.com.

>

>One personal addition to the above for the brave at heart I should add -

>something even Dr. Wallach missed. The most overlooked and under

>appreciated

>arthritis helper there is: Dale 's emulsified cod liver oil. (I

>know, euch!) Available in almost any health food store. His Cherry, Orange

>or Mint flavors almost hide the taste. Must be the emulsified type, regular

>CLO won't work. Mixes well in juices. Important to take on an empty stomach

>one hour before or at least two hours after eating. One or two teaspoons

>per

>day will do it.

>So there. :-)

>

>- Art

>

> [ ] what do you do for headaches?

> >

> > I'm trying to stay off medicines as much as possible. What kind of

> > natural things do you all do for headaches? Thanks.

> >

March 11, 2002

Actually, the best orange juice is freshly squeezed from organic oranges.

Virtally all bottled, canned and frozen OJs -- from cnacentrate or not -- are

laced with pesticides and herbicides. Then, to add insult to injury, they are

pasteurized, which destroys many of the essential nutrients that naurally occur

in oranges.

>Minute Maid orange juice containing Calcium. Best

>version is bottled type saying " not from concentrate " on the label. Or

>Tropicanna with Calcium, not from concentrate.

--

Neil Jensen: neil@...

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

" Dragons is sooooo stupid! " -- Yosemite Sam

March 11, 2002

Right on Neil, but I wanted to quote doctor Wallach as-is.

- Art

Re: [ ] Off topic - arthritis

> Actually, the best orange juice is freshly squeezed from organic oranges.

Virtally all bottled, canned and frozen OJs -- from cnacentrate or not --

are laced with pesticides and herbicides. Then, to add insult to injury,

they are pasteurized, which destroys many of the essential nutrients that

naurally occur in oranges.

>

> >Minute Maid orange juice containing Calcium. Best

> >version is bottled type saying " not from concentrate " on the label. Or

> >Tropicanna with Calcium, not from concentrate.

>

> --

> Neil Jensen: neil@...

> The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

> " Dragons is sooooo stupid! " -- Yosemite Sam

>

March 11, 2002

Hi Trudy -

At the risk of getting a little more off-topic, WD40 contains a lot of a

substance called DMSO. A much more refined version is available in many

health food stores labeled as 'DMSO solvent'. (They can't make health

claims for it.)

It is frequently found in a roll-on bottle ala deodorant to be applied

directly to the painful area.

But, this stuff can make a person smell like garlic.

Vince had a memorable email about a place where he worked where it was used,

as I remember, as a cancer treatment. The smell got to be too much. Maybe he

was actually working in an Italian restaurant???

The 'SO' part refers to sulphoxide. Note that sulphur is a commom thread

showing up in all these new arthritic preparations today ... Glucosamine

sulphate, Chondroitin sulphate, MSM, DMSO etc.

That's it from me on arthritis! :-)

best wishes,

- Art

Off topic - arthritis

>

> Off topic - arthritis

>

> Grassroots " recipe " against Arthitis from Dr. Wallch ND, DVM.

> Very

> successful for thousands over the last 25 years.

>

> Two scoops of Knox gelatine per day, one scoop in morning and one

> scoop in afternoon. Knox has a special type out now for use with

> arthritis. Contains added nutrients.

>

> Each scoop in 6 oz. Minute Maid orange juice containing Calcium. Best

> version is bottled type saying " not from concentrate " on the label. Or

> Tropicanna with Calcium, not from concentrate. Include good overall

> Vit/Min supplement daily with trace minerals like liquid Body Balance

> from Life Force International of San Diego. Knox's special gelatine

> for arthritis is starting to show up in major supermarket chains.

> About $10. See also www.nutrajoint.com.

>

> One personal addition to the above for the brave at heart I should add

> - something even Dr. Wallach missed. The most overlooked and under

> appreciated arthritis helper there is: Dale 's emulsified cod

> liver oil. (I know, euch!) Available in almost any health food store.

> His Cherry, Orange or Mint flavors almost hide the taste. Must be the

> emulsified type, regular CLO won't work. Mixes well in juices.

> Important to take on an empty stomach one hour before or at least two

> hours after eating. One or two teaspoons per day will do it.

> So there. :-)

>

> - Art

>

March 11, 2002

Hi Art,

Are you trying to give me a hint of no more Cayenne Pepper posts? ;-)

LOL

I really appreciate your explanation about the WD40, as it has been

troubling me ever since I read that. All I could think was here we

are trying to remove toxins from our bodies and wouldn't we be adding

toxins with the WD40? However, since you have explained that it has

DMSO that makes a lot of sense. I don't know for sure, but I'm not

sure that we can get DMSO up here in Canada. (There are a lot of

things that we can't get up here.)

I found your information on sulphoxide very interesting, as well.

My mom has terrible arthritis and refuses to go to any doctor. ...I

certainly would be the last person alive to lecture her on that;

however, I have to try to find her some help. The only thing is that

I am the daughter and she won't listen to me. I got quite the chuckle

when she recently told me that her chiropractor told her to take pure

black cherry juice and celery seed tea. (I had brought her over these

items a few weeks ago and she sent me home with them!) LOL I'll have

to look into that DMSO some more to see if it is available. ...maybe

it's a good thing if we can't get it up here, as it might be a bit

much if both my mom and I smell like Stinkin' Roses! ;-) LOL

Kind regards,

Trudy

From: " A. C. Brown " <abrown101@p...>

Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 8:06 am

Subject: Re: [ ] Off topic - arthritis

Hi Trudy -

At the risk of getting a little more off-topic, WD40 contains a lot of

a substance called DMSO. A much more refined version is available in

many health food stores labeled as 'DMSO solvent'. (They can't make

health claims for it.)

It is frequently found in a roll-on bottle ala deodorant to be applied

directly to the painful area. But, this stuff can make a person smell

like garlic.

Vince had a memorable email about a place where he worked where it was

used, as I remember, as a cancer treatment. The smell got to be too

much. Maybe he was actually working in an Italian restaurant???

The 'SO' part refers to sulphoxide. Note that sulphur is a commom

thread showing up in all these new arthritic preparations today ...

Glucosamine sulphate, Chondroitin sulphate, MSM, DMSO etc.

That's it from me on arthritis! :-)

best wishes,

- Art

March 11, 2002

Hi Trudy,

Dr Schulze recommend cayenne to stop the bleeding of external tumors as well so

not worries about the cayenne post :-) I hope you are feeling better.

Eileen

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Re: [ ] Off topic - arthritis

Hi Trudy -

At the risk of getting a little more off-topic, WD40 contains a lot of

a substance called DMSO. A much more refined version is available in

many health food stores labeled as 'DMSO solvent'. (They can't make

health claims for it.)

It is frequently found in a roll-on bottle ala deodorant to be applied

directly to the painful area. But, this stuff can make a person smell

like garlic.

Vince had a memorable email about a place where he worked where it was

used, as I remember, as a cancer treatment. The smell got to be too

much. Maybe he was actually working in an Italian restaurant???

The 'SO' part refers to sulphoxide. Note that sulphur is a commom

thread showing up in all these new arthritic preparations today ...

Glucosamine sulphate, Chondroitin sulphate, MSM, DMSO etc.

That's it from me on arthritis! :-)

best wishes,

- Art

March 11, 2002

Trudy,

I work as a herbalist in Canada and have had good results with arthritis. I

wrote the following article for the Alive magazine(Canada's national health

magazine) if ya have any questions or anything email me.

Rand

The Cortisone Shot that was Never Needed

Soon after Chantal Roy was hit by a car, she experienced the first signs of

arthritis in her knee. The cruel, crippling disease sometimes begins this way,

but seldom so early. Chantal had been hit while getting off a school bus. She

was only five years old.

Her arthritis slowly progressed and everyday things that most little girls take

for granted became unbearable. " I would get sore after biking to and from

school, " Chantal recalled, seven years later, after I met her. " My knee would

always grind. It just made me miserable. "

Her pediatrician prescribed an anti-inflammatory drug called Naproxen, but it

only helped for a while. The arthritis and the pain came back and soon the

swelling had spread to both knees.

A cortisone injection was Chantal's next hope. But while waiting for her

scheduled appointment, Chantal's mother just had to be sure no gentler

alternatives had been missed. She consulted the family's trusted chiropractor,

Dr. Gilbert Bohemier, and he recommended that Chantal see me.

I first saw Chantal in February 1999. She was already 11 years old and had

suffered with her arthritis for six years. After giving Chantal a check-up. I

recommended a change in diet and in the nutritional supplements Chantal was

already taking.

Chantal was on a very high dose of vitamin C. I put her on a much lower dose,

for two reasons. First, large doses of vitamin C can result in copper

deficiency, and as anyone who has used a copper bracelet for arthritis knows,

copper is a natural pain reliever. Second, the diet I recommended for Chantal

was intended to help alkalize her system. I didn’t want her supplements to

interfere with the process as vitamin C is a mild acid (its scientific name is

ascorbic acid).

Alkalizing the body is an integral part of a therapeutic approach called

“terrain medicine.” It puts the emphasis on treating and supporting the whole

person the - " terrain " - rather than aiming all the ammunition at " the bug " or

other pathogen.

When we eat or drink too many acidic foods or beverages (or if we chew too

fast), we force our bodies to work extra hard to neutralize all those acids.

They then must " borrow " neutralizing mineral salts from the digestive tract, the

bloodstream, the bones, or other tissues. If we chronically rob our tissues

this way, they can start to degenerate. One possible result is arthritis.

Chantal's alkalizing diet involved avoiding highly acidifying foods - dairy

products, wheat products, and sugar products (including tropical fruit) - and

eating lots of alkaline foods, notably fresh vegetables, nuts, seeds, millet,

and rice. The rule of thumb is to eat 20 percent of acceptable acid foods such

as eggs and legumes and 80 percent alkaline foods.

Supplement Support

Chantal began a regimen of herbs and supplements. Three times a day she began

taking a combination product containing the following ingredients:

¨ Turmeric (curcumin): 300 mg of a standardized extract (12x) to inhibit

the formation of inflammatory leukotrienes.

¨ Boswellia serrata: 300 mg. The " boswellic acids " of this gum-resin also

inhibit leukotrienes.

¨ Devils claw root: 125 mg of a standardized extract (5% harpagosides).

This saponin-containing plant acts as a natural precursor to cortisone.

¨ Bromelain (80 GDU/g): 125 mg. By breaking down a biochemical called

fibrin and reducing blood levels of kinins, this enzyme indirectly reduces

inflammation, swelling, and pain.

¨ Ginger root: 125 mg of a standardized extract (5% gingerols). Ginger is

a very potent

inhibitor of inflammatory prostaglandins and thromboxanes.

¨ White willow bark: 150 mg of a four to one extract. A potent herbal

" aspirin " and anti-inflammatory.

I also put Chantal on two deservedly popular treatments for arthritis:

glucosamine (a blend of the hydrochloride, sulfate, and N-acetyl forms) and

chondroitin precursors. The dosage was 750 mg, three times a day.

Consisting primarily of a very long chain sugar called a mucopolysaccharide,

glucosamine has been studied for its ability to provide the raw materials

necessary for the body to maintain healthy cartilage and to help produce more

synovial fluid, the " grease " that keeps the joints working smoothly. For a

variety of other reasons I included supplemental calcium, phosphorus, zinc,

copper, manganese, and digestive enzymes in Chantal's program.

While treating arthritis with an alkaline diet and supplements may not yet be a

scientifically proven approach, the evidence is mounting. For many people the

results speak for themselves. They certainly did for Chantal. For six months, my

young client faithfully followed her regime and was finally free from all pain

and swelling. The cortisone injections were no longer necessary, her doctor told

her.

After seven years of suffering. Chantal's arthritis was in remission. She was

so excited! For the first time in her life, she was able to play baseball. And

now, two years later, she is still symptom-free.

Herbalist Warned

I first told Chantal's story in the Autumn 1999 issue of my newsletter,

Herbwise. That December, I received a phone call from an inspector with Health

Canada. Someone, he said, had complained. My actions, he informed me, were

" violative " (not being a doctor, I am technically not allowed to treat Schedule

A diseases, like arthritis) and my account was " misleading. "

Three days later, I received a follow-up letter by registered mail, putting

Health Canada's reprimand in writing. The three-page letter warned that I could

not claim to have helped Chantal and that if I persisted I might face " more

stringent enforcement actions as provided for under the Food and Drugs Act and

Regulations. "

Article 19 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights reads, in part:

“Everyone has the right . . . to hold opinions without interference and to seek,

receive and impart information and ideas through any media regardless of

frontiers.” My answer to Health Canada is to say that the only way they can

take away my right to tell Chantal's story is to pry the paper it’s written on

from my cold, dead hands.

---------------------------------

March 12, 2002

Hi Rand,

I remember reading your article in Alive! (I must go look that up

again. What edition was your article in?) ...I didn't even think of

it for my mom's case, because I was so taken by your warning to

herbalists. What is happening in our country, anyway?

Your program looks very good. I will write you backchannel this

evening about my mom's situation, because it is a little more

complicated than just arthritis.

Could you please tell us what area you are practicing in? ...perhaps

some list members may want to come to see you. And please tell us

more about your newsletter " Herbwise. "

Thanks for sharing your story with us!

Kind regards,

Trudy

Message: 10

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:45:16 -0800 (PST)

From: Rand <aesculapius_ca@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Off topic - arthritis

Trudy,

I work as a herbalist in Canada and have had good results with

arthritis. I wrote the following article for the Alive

magazine(Canada's national health magazine) if ya have any questions

or anything email me.

Rand

The Cortisone Shot that was Never Needed

Soon after Chantal Roy was hit by a car, she experienced the first

signs of arthritis in her knee. The cruel, crippling disease

sometimes begins this way, but seldom so early. Chantal had been hit

while getting off a school bus. She was only five years old.

Her arthritis slowly progressed and everyday things that most little

girls take for granted became unbearable. " I would get sore after

biking to and from school, " Chantal recalled, seven years later, after

I met her. " My knee would always grind. It just made me miserable. "

Her pediatrician prescribed an anti-inflammatory drug called Naproxen,

but it only helped for a while. The arthritis and the pain came back

and soon the swelling had spread to both knees.

A cortisone injection was Chantal's next hope. But while waiting for

her scheduled appointment, Chantal's mother just had to be sure no

gentler alternatives had been missed. She consulted the family's

trusted chiropractor, Dr. Gilbert Bohemier, and he

recommended that Chantal see me.

I first saw Chantal in February 1999. She was already 11 years old

and had suffered with her arthritis for six years. After giving

Chantal a check-up. I recommended a change in diet and in the

nutritional supplements Chantal was already taking.

Chantal was on a very high dose of vitamin C. I put her on a much

lower dose, for two reasons. First, large doses of vitamin C can

result in copper deficiency, and as anyone who has used a copper

bracelet for arthritis knows, copper is a natural pain reliever.

Second, the diet I recommended for Chantal was intended to help

alkalize her system. I didn’t want her supplements to interfere with

the process as vitamin C is a mild acid (its scientific name is

ascorbic acid).

Alkalizing the body is an integral part of a therapeutic approach

called “terrain medicine.” It puts the emphasis on treating and

supporting the whole person the - " terrain " - rather than aiming all

the ammunition at " the bug " or other pathogen.

When we eat or drink too many acidic foods or beverages (or if we chew

too fast), we force our bodies to work extra hard to neutralize all

those acids. They then must " borrow " neutralizing mineral salts from

the digestive tract, the bloodstream, the bones, or other tissues. If

we chronically rob our tissues this way, they can start to

degenerate. One possible result is arthritis.

Chantal's alkalizing diet involved avoiding highly acidifying foods -

dairy products, wheat products, and sugar products (including tropical

fruit) - and eating lots of alkaline foods, notably fresh vegetables,

nuts, seeds, millet, and rice. The rule of

thumb is to eat 20 percent of acceptable acid foods such as eggs and

legumes and 80 percent alkaline foods.

Supplement Support

Chantal began a regimen of herbs and supplements. Three times a day

she began taking a combination product containing the following

ingredients:

¨ Turmeric (curcumin): 300 mg of a standardized extract (12x) to

inhibit the formation of inflammatory leukotrienes.

¨ Boswellia serrata: 300 mg. The " boswellic acids " of this

gum-resin also inhibit leukotrienes.

¨ Devils claw root: 125 mg of a standardized extract (5%

harpagosides). This saponin-containing plant acts as a natural

precursor to cortisone.

¨ Bromelain (80 GDU/g): 125 mg. By breaking down a biochemical

called fibrin and reducing blood levels of kinins, this enzyme

indirectly reduces inflammation, swelling, and pain.

¨ Ginger root: 125 mg of a standardized extract (5% gingerols).

Ginger is a very potent inhibitor of inflammatory prostaglandins and

thromboxanes.

¨ White willow bark: 150 mg of a four to one extract. A potent

herbal " aspirin " and anti-inflammatory.

I also put Chantal on two deservedly popular treatments for arthritis:

glucosamine (a blend of the hydrochloride, sulfate, and N-acetyl

forms) and chondroitin precursors. The dosage was 750 mg, three times

a day.

Consisting primarily of a very long chain sugar called a

mucopolysaccharide, glucosamine has been studied for its ability to

provide the raw materials necessary for the body to maintain healthy

cartilage and to help produce more synovial fluid, the

" grease " that keeps the joints working smoothly. For a variety of

other reasons I included supplemental calcium, phosphorus, zinc,

copper, manganese, and digestive enzymes in Chantal's program.

While treating arthritis with an alkaline diet and supplements may not

yet be a scientifically proven approach, the evidence is mounting. For

many people the results speak for themselves. They certainly did for

Chantal. For six months, my young client

faithfully followed her regime and was finally free from all pain and

swelling. The cortisone injections were no longer necessary, her

doctor told her.

After seven years of suffering. Chantal's arthritis was in remission.

She was so excited! For the first time in her life, she was able to

play baseball. And now, two years later, she is still symptom-free.

Herbalist Warned

I first told Chantal's story in the Autumn 1999 issue of my

newsletter, Herbwise. That December, I received a phone call from an

inspector with Health Canada. Someone, he said, had complained. My

actions, he informed me, were " violative " (not being

a doctor, I am technically not allowed to treat Schedule A diseases,

like arthritis) and my account was " misleading. "

Three days later, I received a follow-up letter by registered mail,

putting Health Canada's reprimand in writing. The three-page letter

warned that I could not claim to have helped Chantal and that if I

persisted I might face " more stringent enforcement

actions as provided for under the Food and Drugs Act and Regulations. "

Article 19 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights reads, in

part: “Everyone has the right . . . to hold opinions without

interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas

through any media regardless of frontiers.” My

answer to Health Canada is to say that the only way they can take away

my right to tell Chantal's story is to pry the paper it’s written on

from my cold, dead hands.

March 12, 2002

Trudy,

What is happening in our country, anyway?

****Do you want the long answer or the short answer? They just made ephedra

illegal. Along with DHEA, melatonin, Chromium Picolinate, Vitamin K to name a

few.

Your program looks very good. I will write you backchannel this

evening about my mom's situation, because it is a little more

complicated than just arthritis.

****I am at your service.

Could you please tell us what area you are practicing in? ...perhaps

some list members may want to come to see you. And please tell us

more about your newsletter " Herbwise. "

I live in Winnipeg, (which means Muddy or Turbid Waters), Manitoba. " herbwise "

was a snail mail newsletter that I published and edited, it went belly up. I

started it as an exercise to learn " how to write " because I want to write a

book. It also became an exercise in " how to go broke " I am working on a

website, I'll have all the info and wisdom on healing and herbs from the

newsletter available for everyone. I'll let ya know when it if finally

finished.

Be well,