Re: enzymes / B12 (was red flags...)

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, I believe Houston makes a chewable protease too - Peptizyde.

So, if you are feeling overwhelmed about enzymes you could get that,

and maybe the chewable Zyme Prime and No Fenol ones too while you're

at it. It would be kinda expensive but all of your bases would be

covered simply. Otherwise, 1/4 tsp of each HNI enzyme in powder form

is adaquate for most snacks/meals. Just remember to go slow and

start one at a time... you know the drill. It is especially true for

enzymes, though, in my experience. For us, those first three weeks

were hairy :-). I'd start with Zyme Prime first, then add in

Peptizyde (this one was wicked at first, just use a sprinkle - did I

mention that already? LOL), then No-Fenol if you choose to include it.

No-Fenol is *great for yeast. We don't have big phenol issues here,

but use it with every meal for now, and also with GSE between meals

when a little more muscle is required.

take care

René

> >Candidase or Candex enzyme, or No-Fenol which also comes as

chewable.

>

> So, No-Fenol will work to protect against yeast even in a child

that

> is not phenol-intolerant? I'll have to see if I can get my son to

> take these but a chewable would be great. Does anyone know of a

good

> protease that comes in a chewable that is any good?

>

> I'm totally overwhelmed with the enzymes. I do think they help;

I've

> been giving him Digest Gold from the HFS before meals, but

> sporadically. I have to mix them with chocolate though (because

it's

> a vegie capsule and I never remember to give it 20 minutes before)

> and even then he resists. But I know I need to get him on a

> consistent, complete enzyme protocol. I know some of the Houston

> ones come in powders... I'm just not sure which ones to give in

what

> doses and haven't looked at enzymestuff.com in a while to figure it

> out. > Is there an easy, basic enzyme mix/combo that works for

most

> kids? My son has no known dietary issues/restrictions but he does

> need a lot of protease because he's got protein malnutrition

(despite

> adequate intake).

[Guest guest]

At 07:51 PM 8/4/2006, you wrote:

>, I believe Houston makes a chewable protease too - Peptizyde.

>So, if you are feeling overwhelmed about enzymes you could get that,

>and maybe the chewable Zyme Prime and No Fenol ones too while you're

>at it.

Thanks, Rene'! This is exactly what I needed. I still have some

Digest Gold, so if I start with the Zyme, then I can see if he'll eat

the chewables or if I should go with powder, and then swap out the

Peptizyde for the Digest Gold (which is mostly protease) when I get

run out...how does that sound?

How *are* the chewables? Are they decent tasting? I guess I could

always encapsulate them if he doesn't like them.

> It would be kinda expensive but all of your bases would be

>covered simply. Otherwise, 1/4 tsp of each HNI enzyme in powder form

>is adaquate for most snacks/meals.

Ah, so the chewables are more $ I guess.

> Just remember to go slow and

>start one at a time... you know the drill. It is especially true for

>enzymes, though, in my experience. For us, those first three weeks

>were hairy :-). I'd start with Zyme Prime first, then add in

>Peptizyde (this one was wicked at first, just use a sprinkle - did I

>mention that already? LOL), then No-Fenol if you choose to include it.

Does it help that he has been on Digest Gold (on and off) for weeks now?

I've been seeing a lot more sugar cravings lately (after starting

chelation) so I'm worried about yeast, which is why I want the No-Fenol.

Today we mixed Digest Gold in chocolate, and we tasted a bit and

didn't wash it down with anything. Ughh!! We both had the taste of

stomach acid in our mouths. Got to wash that down to where it needs

to be pretty darn quick

Stroyan

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[Guest guest]

> So, No-Fenol will work to protect against yeast even in a child that

> is not phenol-intolerant?

Yes, it breaks down the yeast cell wall.

I'll have to see if I can get my son to

> take these but a chewable would be great. Does anyone know of a good

> protease that comes in a chewable that is any good?

HNI has three enzymes available as chewables

http://www.houstonni.com/

> Is there an easy, basic enzyme mix/combo that works for most

> kids?

Zyme Prime from HNI.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi , comments interspersed...

I still have some

> Digest Gold, so if I start with the Zyme, then I can see if he'll

eat

> the chewables or if I should go with powder, and then swap out the

> Peptizyde for the Digest Gold (which is mostly protease) when I get

> run out...how does that sound?

Well, it sounds good to me, but I've never tried the Digest Gold so

I'm not sure how much difference there is with the Houston products.

Peptizyde is fairly specialized in the sense that besides the regular

protease it has a lot of DPP-IV for casein and gluten. You could try

transitioning to the Zyme Prime first, if you want. It has some

protease in it, and is meant to be a broad spectrum product.

Actually, this would probably be a good question for and others

on the Enzyme group....

>

> How *are* the chewables? Are they decent tasting? I guess I could

> always encapsulate them if he doesn't like them.

You know, my son won't do chewables of any kind. I've heard from

others that they are pretty yummy.

>

> > It would be kinda expensive but all of your bases would be

> >covered simply. Otherwise, 1/4 tsp of each HNI enzyme in powder

form

> >is adaquate for most snacks/meals.

>

> Ah, so the chewables are more $ I guess.

I'm thinking so.

>

> > Just remember to go slow and

> >start one at a time... you know the drill. It is especially true

for

> >enzymes, though, in my experience. For us, those first three weeks

> >were hairy :-). I'd start with Zyme Prime first, then add in

> >Peptizyde (this one was wicked at first, just use a sprinkle - did

I

> >mention that already? LOL), then No-Fenol if you choose to include

it.

>

> Does it help that he has been on Digest Gold (on and off) for weeks

now?

>

I do think it would help. However, because enzymes are so specific

and will *only* work on what they work on and nothing else (sorry,

not sure how to be clearer), you might see some funny stuff if the

Peptizyde is addressing a digestive issue that the other enzymes

didn't. FWIW we saw a lot of volatile behaviour starting Pepetizyde

(mixed with fairly dramatic gains) after being on Zyme Prime for a

bit, and after trying a bottle of Kirkman enzymes. So... who knows?

> I've been seeing a lot more sugar cravings lately (after starting

> chelation) so I'm worried about yeast, which is why I want the No-

Fenol.

>

> Today we mixed Digest Gold in chocolate, and we tasted a bit and

> didn't wash it down with anything. Ughh!! We both had the taste

of

> stomach acid in our mouths. Got to wash that down to where it

needs

> to be pretty darn quick

Yeah, enzymes can be so gross. :-) After a rather disastrous time

forcing our son to take the original formula Zyme Prime and

Peptizyde, we switched to the papain and bromelain-free ones (AFP

Peptizde and Zyme Prime). Much better. We are able to put them in

juice, no problem, and our son is FUSSY. I would start with the

bromelain and papain-free versions first, and move on to the others

if need be. Papain and bromelain can also cause problems for

sensitive individuals.

We do use the large containers of loose powder, it's more economical

for us.

take care

René