Re: Newbie needs help (of course!)

October 25, 2006

Your son is 4 and he still nurses? Why?

Newbie needs help (of course!)

I am SOOOOO relieved to have found this group. I have spent the entire

day reading the files, going through past posts, etc etc.

Let me give a brief info of my family's issues. On my mother's side we

have major problems with food sensitivities, fibromyalgia, chronic

fatigue, autoimmune thyroid disease, yeast, and copper overload. I

have signs of these as does my sister, my mom, and my grandmother.

Both of my children show signs of food sensitivities as well,

particularly my son who has never had a firm stool a day in his life

and has some minor behavorial issues like aggression and self-injury;

he is 4 years old. My daughter, who is almost 6, seems mostly clear

from all of this except her stools are somewhat soft (but not anything

as bad as my son's) and occasionally eating certain things like a lot

of fruit or dairy will make her throw up (has happened a hand full of

times). My son's stools are so bad that I have to pack extra clothes

when we go out because often when he poops it will go right past the

diaper and will end up all over him, it is that loose. The one time we

tried reintroducing rice, we found it undigested in his diaper along

with an increase in angry and frustrated behavior. On top of this, I

suspect that he has yeast issues already as well.

Over the past year I've uncovered many pieces to the puzzle of health,

including trying out the SCD. I've seen major improvements in my own

health, (especially after addressing my zinc/copper balance), but I

feel like I've plateaued. My son has seen no improvement in his stools

even with strict compliance with the SCD (dairy free as well) although

his behavior did improve somewhat. I feel like digestive enzymes and

probiotics are the next step for us (we were never able to tolerate

the SCD yogurt), but I'm overwhelmed at what to try first. Trying to

fix my issues and his issues, it all seems so confusing. What will

work for me, what for him? etc etc. My mind is swimming right now

through the sea of choices. I think I've finally narrowed it down

though. Here is what I'm currently considering:

1.I already take a B complex with C and zinc. I also take 100 mg of

molybdenum. I'm thinking of starting my kids on the Kirkman Everday

without A & D (we take CLO).

--should I give my son more magnesium and calcium? what about B

vitamins? He doesn't get much from his diet currently. He mostly eats

meat, eggs, and fruits, sometimes fish. He is insane for bananas, but

I try to limit those because they make his poop worse. Is there a

better multi vitamin that I should be considering? (hypoallergenic

only). Also, my son still nurses occasionally, so he is probably

getting some of what I take.

2.zyme prime along with probiotics

--is that okay to start both at the same time or should we start

taking one first and then the other?

--is the kirkman brand of Lactobacillus Acidophilus an okay one?

3.and then later try the no-fenol as well, or should I start this

sooner with the zyme prime?

4.add in the peptizyde at some point

Money is a major issue for us right now as the cost of eating healthy

has pretty much taken over the budget (along with some other issues).

I really need to narrow down what we NEED and what we can wait on and

slowly add in as we can afford it. Any suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.

October 25, 2006

> times). My son's stools are so bad that I have to pack extra clothes

> when we go out because often when he poops it will go right past the

> diaper and will end up all over him, it is that loose.

This was my son when he ate something orange.

>> The one time we

> tried reintroducing rice, we found it undigested in his diaper along

> with an increase in angry and frustrated behavior.

My son did not tolerate rice either.

>>My son has seen no improvement in his stools

> even with strict compliance with the SCD (dairy free as well) although

> his behavior did improve somewhat. I feel like digestive enzymes and

> probiotics are the next step for us

Definitely try the enzymes. However, my son could never do SCD

because he did not tolerate orange and green foods, even with enzymes.

So watch for that.

I used HNI enzymes, which were very beneficial for my son for most issues

http://www.houstonni.com/

> 1.I already take a B complex with C and zinc. I also take 100 mg of

> molybdenum.

Hopefully you mean 100mcg.

> --should I give my son more magnesium and calcium? what about B

> vitamins?

How much are you giving now?

>>He is insane for bananas, but

> I try to limit those because they make his poop worse.

Add potassium. Also, No-Fenol enzyme [HNI] allowed my son to eat

bananas, so you can try that.

> 2.zyme prime along with probiotics

> --is that okay to start both at the same time or should we start

> taking one first and then the other?

I would recommend you start things one at a time, so you know what is

helping, and what is not helping and/or causing problems.

> Money is a major issue for us right now as the cost of eating healthy

> has pretty much taken over the budget (along with some other issues).

> I really need to narrow down what we NEED and what we can wait on and

> slowly add in as we can afford it. Any suggestions would be greatly

> appreciated.

If your child is SCD, I would start with No-Fenol, then add Zyme

Prime. You can do this the other way around, if you want. But those

two enzymes should help. You would need Peptizyde or AFP for the goat

yoghurt.

Dana

October 25, 2006

>

> Your son is 4 and he still nurses? Why?

Many cultures nurse their children even longer than that. It is only

in the western, " modern " world that we wean so early.

I am slowly weaning him, he mostly only nurses before bed and

occasionally sometimes once during the day. (I don't plan to go beyond

5, which is when my daughter weaned). Breastmilk contains all kinds of

important immune boosting and health boosting qualities and a child's

own immune system isn't fully developed until they are about 6 or 7.

There are also many developmental and psychological benefits for the

child. More info on the benefits of extended breastfeeding can be

found from La Leche League International and the World Health

Organization.

Also, I should mention before the question comes up, but his loose

stools are not because of the breastfeeding. This is not normal

breastfed poop even if he was nursing round the clock. My daughter

first started having firm stools at 12 months when she really started

eating solids, and she was still avidly nursing at that point. My son

has never had anything close to a firm stool a day in his life. The

best he has had is like pudding. His poop is worse depending on what

he eats. Many foods come out undigested in his poop. Everytime he

poops it is so bad that he will at least have to change his pants, but

sometimes even his socks and shirt will be affected.

October 25, 2006

I also know that nursing is much older than 4 in other parts of the

world. Early weening seems to be more prominant in advanced

countries, US, etc. Probably due to all the bottles/formulas that is

commercially pushed. The thinking we have to take what I think is

vital for young ones(this would include the bottle etc)away early is

not such a good thing always. Moms instincts knows best!! Nursing is

takin out/stopped way to early in america in my opinion. Jennie<><

> >

> > Your son is 4 and he still nurses? Why?

>

> Many cultures nurse their children even longer than that. It is

only

> in the western, " modern " world that we wean so early.

>

> I am slowly weaning him, he mostly only nurses before bed and

> occasionally sometimes once during the day. (I don't plan to go

beyond

> 5, which is when my daughter weaned). Breastmilk contains all

kinds of

> important immune boosting and health boosting qualities and a

child's

> own immune system isn't fully developed until they are about 6 or

7.

> There are also many developmental and psychological benefits for

the

> child. More info on the benefits of extended breastfeeding can be

> found from La Leche League International and the World Health

> Organization.

>

> Also, I should mention before the question comes up, but his loose

> stools are not because of the breastfeeding. This is not normal

> breastfed poop even if he was nursing round the clock. My daughter

> first started having firm stools at 12 months when she really

started

> eating solids, and she was still avidly nursing at that point. My

son

> has never had anything close to a firm stool a day in his life. The

> best he has had is like pudding. His poop is worse depending on

what

> he eats. Many foods come out undigested in his poop. Everytime he

> poops it is so bad that he will at least have to change his pants,

but

> sometimes even his socks and shirt will be affected.

>

October 25, 2006

Where abouts are you from? Just curious.

Re: Newbie needs help (of course!)

I also know that nursing is much older than 4 in other parts of the

world. Early weening seems to be more prominant in advanced

countries, US, etc. Probably due to all the bottles/formulas that is

commercially pushed. The thinking we have to take what I think is

vital for young ones(this would include the bottle etc)away early is

not such a good thing always. Moms instincts knows best!! Nursing is

takin out/stopped way to early in america in my opinion. Jennie<><

> >

> > Your son is 4 and he still nurses? Why?

>

> Many cultures nurse their children even longer than that. It is

only

> in the western, " modern " world that we wean so early.

>

> I am slowly weaning him, he mostly only nurses before bed and

> occasionally sometimes once during the day. (I don't plan to go

beyond

> 5, which is when my daughter weaned). Breastmilk contains all

kinds of

> important immune boosting and health boosting qualities and a

child's

> own immune system isn't fully developed until they are about 6 or

7.

> There are also many developmental and psychological benefits for

the

> child. More info on the benefits of extended breastfeeding can be

> found from La Leche League International and the World Health

> Organization.

>

> Also, I should mention before the question comes up, but his loose

> stools are not because of the breastfeeding. This is not normal

> breastfed poop even if he was nursing round the clock. My daughter

> first started having firm stools at 12 months when she really

started

> eating solids, and she was still avidly nursing at that point. My

son

> has never had anything close to a firm stool a day in his life. The

> best he has had is like pudding. His poop is worse depending on

what

> he eats. Many foods come out undigested in his poop. Everytime he

> poops it is so bad that he will at least have to change his pants,

but

> sometimes even his socks and shirt will be affected.

>

October 25, 2006

If money is an issue, I would stay away from a multivitamin. Many

ASD parents have plenty of unused Supernuthera, etc, in their

cupboards because their kids coudldn't tolerate one part of the mix.

The best place, IME, in the States to buy vitamins cheap is through

Vitacost. This way, if you try a supp on your kid and it doesn't

work, you have one bottle that you can probably use on yourself at

some point. If you try the multis, you'll either be getting far too

little of most things our kids need or you'll be running into

tolerance issues. Be aware that some people don't find that

Kirkman's uses the best form of some vits, like E for example.

There is a supp file here that may help you make some of your

decisions. It is in desperate need of updating but I've not had

time lately. Sorry.

If you could figure out some way to get insurance to pay for an ION

panel through Metametrix then you could address nutritional

deficiencies in a systematic way. I'm in Canada and I don't even

know if insurance can cover this, but it would be a worthwhile thing

to investigate.

Try to use a probiotic with multiple strains. They tend to work

best.

Many people have found that enzymes do clear up/reduce diarrhea

problems. Lots of people use all three (NF, Pep, ZP) from houstons

but start one at a time. They seem expensive perhaps, but they last

a long time. I'd start with the enzymes. If you child isn't

absorbing nutrients (that would seem to be the case) then you're

wasting $ supping them. The enzymes will help rectify this problem.

I hope this helps,

Anita

>

> I am SOOOOO relieved to have found this group. I have spent the

entire

> day reading the files, going through past posts, etc etc.

>

> Let me give a brief info of my family's issues. On my mother's

side we

> have major problems with food sensitivities, fibromyalgia, chronic

> fatigue, autoimmune thyroid disease, yeast, and copper overload. I

> have signs of these as does my sister, my mom, and my grandmother.

> Both of my children show signs of food sensitivities as well,

> particularly my son who has never had a firm stool a day in his

life

> and has some minor behavorial issues like aggression and self-

injury;

> he is 4 years old. My daughter, who is almost 6, seems mostly clear

> from all of this except her stools are somewhat soft (but not

anything

> as bad as my son's) and occasionally eating certain things like a

lot

> of fruit or dairy will make her throw up (has happened a hand full

of

> times). My son's stools are so bad that I have to pack extra

clothes

> when we go out because often when he poops it will go right past

the

> diaper and will end up all over him, it is that loose. The one

time we

> tried reintroducing rice, we found it undigested in his diaper

along

> with an increase in angry and frustrated behavior. On top of this,

I

> suspect that he has yeast issues already as well.

>

> Over the past year I've uncovered many pieces to the puzzle of

health,

> including trying out the SCD. I've seen major improvements in my

own

> health, (especially after addressing my zinc/copper balance), but I

> feel like I've plateaued. My son has seen no improvement in his

stools

> even with strict compliance with the SCD (dairy free as well)

although

> his behavior did improve somewhat. I feel like digestive enzymes

and

> probiotics are the next step for us (we were never able to tolerate

> the SCD yogurt), but I'm overwhelmed at what to try first. Trying

to

> fix my issues and his issues, it all seems so confusing. What will

> work for me, what for him? etc etc. My mind is swimming right now

> through the sea of choices. I think I've finally narrowed it down

> though. Here is what I'm currently considering:

>

> 1.I already take a B complex with C and zinc. I also take 100 mg of

> molybdenum. I'm thinking of starting my kids on the Kirkman Everday

> without A & D (we take CLO).

> --should I give my son more magnesium and calcium? what about

B

> vitamins? He doesn't get much from his diet currently. He mostly

eats

> meat, eggs, and fruits, sometimes fish. He is insane for bananas,

but

> I try to limit those because they make his poop worse. Is there a

> better multi vitamin that I should be considering? (hypoallergenic

> only). Also, my son still nurses occasionally, so he is probably

> getting some of what I take.

>

> 2.zyme prime along with probiotics

> --is that okay to start both at the same time or should we

start

> taking one first and then the other?

> --is the kirkman brand of Lactobacillus Acidophilus an okay

one?

>

> 3.and then later try the no-fenol as well, or should I start this

> sooner with the zyme prime?

>

> 4.add in the peptizyde at some point

>

> Money is a major issue for us right now as the cost of eating

healthy

> has pretty much taken over the budget (along with some other

issues).

> I really need to narrow down what we NEED and what we can wait on

and

> slowly add in as we can afford it. Any suggestions would be greatly

> appreciated.

>

October 25, 2006

> This was my son when he ate something orange.

Hmm, I guess I need to look more closely at the colors of things he

is eating and see if there is a pattern.

>

> Definitely try the enzymes. However, my son could never do SCD

> because he did not tolerate orange and green foods, even with

enzymes.

> So watch for that.

Interesting. I wonder what is in the orange and green foods that the

enzymes aren't covering? Have you tried that isogest stuff from

Kirkman? It is " supposed " to contain a missing enzyme that the

others don't have.

>

> I used HNI enzymes, which were very beneficial for my son for most

issues

>

> http://www.houstonni.com/

Thanks. I think that is definitely what we are going to go with. The

Houston enzymes seem the best out there.

> Hopefully you mean 100mcg.

Oops, yep, missed the c. :-)

> How much are you giving now?

Right now not anything. I'm considering using the Kirkman Everyday

Vit with A & D (we do CLO), but it doesn't have much cal or mag in

it and so I feel like maybe he needs extra.

> Add potassium. Also, No-Fenol enzyme [HNI] allowed my son to eat

> bananas, so you can try that.

Good suggestion thanks. That is good to know about the no-fenol. I

can't eat bananas either, so maybe it would help us both. :-)

> I would recommend you start things one at a time, so you know what

is

> helping, and what is not helping and/or causing problems.

Thanks, yeah, that does make the most sense. I'm going to start with

the enzymes first and then maybe eventually he will be able to

tolerate getting the probiotics in homemade SCD yogurt (goat).

> If your child is SCD, I would start with No-Fenol, then add Zyme

> Prime. You can do this the other way around, if you want. But

those

> two enzymes should help. You would need Peptizyde or AFP for the

goat

> yoghurt.

I have some zyme prime on order already, so I guess we'll start with

that first and then do the no-fenol.

Thanks so much for your suggestions Dana! It is nice to get

information from parents who have been there done that. :-)

October 25, 2006

>

> If money is an issue, I would stay away from a multivitamin. Many

> ASD parents have plenty of unused Supernuthera, etc, in their

> cupboards because their kids coudldn't tolerate one part of the

mix.

>

> The best place, IME, in the States to buy vitamins cheap is

through

> Vitacost. This way, if you try a supp on your kid and it doesn't

> work, you have one bottle that you can probably use on yourself at

> some point. If you try the multis, you'll either be getting far

too

> little of most things our kids need or you'll be running into

> tolerance issues. Be aware that some people don't find that

> Kirkman's uses the best form of some vits, like E for example.

> There is a supp file here that may help you make some of your

> decisions. It is in desperate need of updating but I've not had

> time lately. Sorry.

Thanks. I hadn't considered that. Can you find hypoallergenic

vitamins at vitacost? I'm pretty picky about what can be in there as

I would like to stick to the SCD still if we can.

>

> If you could figure out some way to get insurance to pay for an

ION

> panel through Metametrix then you could address nutritional

> deficiencies in a systematic way. I'm in Canada and I don't even

> know if insurance can cover this, but it would be a worthwhile

thing

> to investigate.

Hmm, I'll have to check into that. Our insurance is pretty crappy.

>

> Try to use a probiotic with multiple strains. They tend to work

> best.

I'm afraid to use multiple strains because of SCD saying bifidus is

bad and most mutliple strains that I've found contain it. Guess

maybe I need to look a little outside the SCD box maybe?

> Many people have found that enzymes do clear up/reduce diarrhea

> problems. Lots of people use all three (NF, Pep, ZP) from

houstons

> but start one at a time. They seem expensive perhaps, but they

last

> a long time. I'd start with the enzymes. If you child isn't

> absorbing nutrients (that would seem to be the case) then you're

> wasting $ supping them. The enzymes will help rectify this

problem.

Good advice, thanks. I've got some zyme prime on order right now. :-)

>

> I hope this helps,

>

> Anita

Yes, yes it does! Thanks so much for your response Anita!

-K

October 25, 2006

>

> Where abouts are you from? Just curious.

> Re: Newbie needs help (of course!)

>

I'm from Ohio. :-) But I did a lot of reading and research during my

pregnancy because I knew that I wanted to breastfeed. When I first

started I didn't intend to breastfeed as long as I have, but as my

children grew and my knowledge on extended breastfeeding grew, it

just never seemed the right time to wean for us. My daughter pretty

much self weaned right before she turned 5 with gentle pushes from

me along the way (she had only been nursing once a night for a few

minutes before bedtime up to that point). My son is moving in the

same direction and I'm pretty sure he'll be done by around 5 as

well.

October 25, 2006

>

> I also know that nursing is much older than 4 in other parts of the

> world. Early weening seems to be more prominant in advanced

> countries, US, etc. Probably due to all the bottles/formulas that is

> commercially pushed. The thinking we have to take what I think is

> vital for young ones(this would include the bottle etc)away early is

> not such a good thing always. Moms instincts knows best!! Nursing is

> takin out/stopped way to early in america in my opinion. Jennie<><

Yes, I agree. :-) No one knows your child better than you. Mom's

instincts are always best.

October 25, 2006

I applaud you! Wish I had not let others make me feel bad or guilty. I

breast-fed Jake till almost 2. When he went to milk, ear infections started

every 10-14 days and started the whole cycle of events for us! Looking back, I

kick myself!

B.

Mother of Jake-My Hero- 4.5 yrs. old, Diagnosed Autistic January 12, 2006

I Live it, Breathe it, Sleep it, and Dream it