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August 23, 2004

Hi Stan,

Stay in France.

At least no Frenchman died for another country's cause. Remember the

American young men we lost in WWII? I guess that was all right since in was

for you French.

Just venting too,

>From: " Stan " <sagebush2020@...>

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y

As you probably know, the Irak people had an outstanding educational

system and advanced culture before the " good guys " destroyed most of

it in recent years supposedly going after one evil man and non-

existent WMDs.

Well, I suppose it was worth it. We've only sacrificed slightly

under a 1,000 young American men in the process. We did much better

in Vietnam--45,000 young Americans. We don't need to be concerned

about all the non-Americans killed, do we? If not American, they are

typically evil, not in our ecomonic interest, or naive.

Just venting.

SIF

> In a message dated 8/22/2004 8:02:47 AM Central Standard Time,

> margaret@a... writes:

> Yes there's everything here, it's a modern country! But there are

places

> (such as the Jordan Valley and the Judean desert) where it still

looks much like

> biblical times - you can see herds of goats and camels, and Arab

villagers in

> traditional dress.......

> _____

> I find so many Americans who think living anywhere else is to be

deprived of

> all our modern gadgets and conveniences. When my mother in law

came from

> Connecticut to here on the gulf coast, she was actually suprised

to find that we

> had Mcs and Hardys!!

> I think of how people think Iraq is some backward country where no

woman is

> educated and all the men just run around with rifles shooting in

the air. Then

> one gets to see the soccer team they sent to the Olympics, and

here are

> normal young men playing at their sports.

>

> Glad you got the car going, margaret. But now that you've gotten

a taste of

> it, I'll bet you don't wait for your doctor to tell you you can.

> y

August 23, 2004

Ah, here it comes. I'm not surprised. I love your profound

opening. " Stay in France. " Something akin to " love it or leave it. "

First of all I'm not French, I'm an American who served in the US

military for four years, I lived and worked most of my life in the

US, I taught admistration on a university level in the US, I have an

MBA.

Perhaps you should read something about the history of the American

Revolution and the aid it received from the French. However, perhaps

you don't want your sterotypes shattered.

I was only kidding about the lack of showering in France, but you

probably believed it!

However, is any of that really the point? Does France AND Germany

AND msny other countries besides France have to do everything " our "

(I have an American passport and pay taxes to the US) country wants

them to? Do we do everything other countries ask us to do?

Come on. Loosen up. (I assume you have a name. I didn't see one at

the end of your caustic note.) Get into this century. I was taught

that we Americans have the freedom of expression and assembly. Is

that out the window now?

Love and peace,

Stan, the American living in the world, the part called France

> Hi Stan,

>

> Stay in France.

>

> At least no Frenchman died for another country's cause. Remember

the

> American young men we lost in WWII? I guess that was all right

since in was

> for you French.

>

> Just venting too,

>

> >From: " Stan " <sagebush2020@y...>

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> >Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:14:49 -0000

> >

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August 23, 2004

> That's ok Susie, don't worry about it! There are lots of places in

the world I haven't been to either, and I probably imagine them

completely different to what they actually are. And we form our

impressions from picture-postcards and from bits we see on tv - and

it gives us a very limited and misleading picture of the place.

> I hope you find the right doctor to help you feel better.

> Take care,

> Margaret

When I came out to Seattle from Ramsey, NJ to go to the University of

Washington in 1967-I was asked if there would be real sidewalks and

television available. This was 5 years after the 1962 World's Fair,

whose theme was a futuristic Century 21. People who haven't traveled

or read extensively often do not realize how alike and different our

cultures are.

BTW, this was a northern Jersey town of middle and upper middle

income residents, with 90% of my high school class going on to

college. You'd think they would know better.

Hopefully, with the expansion of the internet, this will change.

Carolyn

August 23, 2004

Hey, Carolyne.

The Univesity of Washington is also where I went to obtain my

Bachelor's and MBA degrees. Beautiful campus, isn't it?

I also attended high school in Seattle until I went into the

military, returned to Seattle, then lived in northern California,

the reason my mind is warped, I guess.

Georgia was never like this.

Best regards,

Staninfr

> > That's ok Susie, don't worry about it! There are lots of places

in

> the world I haven't been to either, and I probably imagine them

> completely different to what they actually are. And we form our

> impressions from picture-postcards and from bits we see on tv -

and

> it gives us a very limited and misleading picture of the place.

> > I hope you find the right doctor to help you feel better.

> > Take care,

> > Margaret

>

> When I came out to Seattle from Ramsey, NJ to go to the University

of

> Washington in 1967-I was asked if there would be real sidewalks

and

> television available. This was 5 years after the 1962 World's

Fair,

> whose theme was a futuristic Century 21. People who haven't

traveled

> or read extensively often do not realize how alike and different

our

> cultures are.

>

> BTW, this was a northern Jersey town of middle and upper middle

> income residents, with 90% of my high school class going on to

> college. You'd think they would know better.

>

> Hopefully, with the expansion of the internet, this will change.

>

> Carolyn

August 23, 2004

Oops! I guess they didn't teach me how to spell " university " or " Di

Palma " while I was there! I just have to get new reading glasses!

SIF

> Hey, Carolyne.

>

> The Univesity of Washington is also where I went to obtain my

> Bachelor's and MBA degrees. Beautiful campus, isn't it?

>

> I also attended high school in Seattle until I went into the

> military, returned to Seattle, then lived in northern California,

> the reason my mind is warped, I guess.

>

> Georgia was never like this.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Staninfr

>

> > > That's ok Susie, don't worry about it! There are lots of

places

> in

> > the world I haven't been to either, and I probably imagine them

> > completely different to what they actually are. And we form our

> > impressions from picture-postcards and from bits we see on tv -

> and

> > it gives us a very limited and misleading picture of the place.

> > > I hope you find the right doctor to help you feel better.

> > > Take care,

> > > Margaret

> >

> > When I came out to Seattle from Ramsey, NJ to go to the

University

> of

> > Washington in 1967-I was asked if there would be real sidewalks

> and

> > television available. This was 5 years after the 1962 World's

> Fair,

> > whose theme was a futuristic Century 21. People who haven't

> traveled

> > or read extensively often do not realize how alike and different

> our

> > cultures are.

> >

> > BTW, this was a northern Jersey town of middle and upper middle

> > income residents, with 90% of my high school class going on to

> > college. You'd think they would know better.

> >

> > Hopefully, with the expansion of the internet, this will change.

> >

> > Carolyn

August 23, 2004

Beth, sweetie

Perhaps my personal e-mail address wasn't clear. Here it is in its

utmost clarity:

sagebush2020@...

Do you live in Georgia?

Staninfr

> Hi Stan,

>

> Stay in France.

>

> At least no Frenchman died for another country's cause. Remember

the

> American young men we lost in WWII? I guess that was all right

since in was

> for you French.

>

> Just venting too,

>

> >From: " Stan " <sagebush2020@y...>

> >Reply-Joint Replacement

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> >Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:14:49 -0000

> >

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August 23, 2004

Hi y,

I 'm sorry I couldn't get my picture in their you have to go to personal I'm in their.

I think you use my screenname is juneflower61 .Well you have a good day.

Susiescottyzpt@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/23/2004 5:04:15 AM Central Standard Time, juneflower60@... writes:

That would be nice, but in a way I met you I saw your picture and I think you saw my Picture right?

_____

No Suzie. I just went to the photos and didn't see you there. Then I went to files and found two Spam pieces about having a Vegan lover. Margaret and Stan are there in the photos, and so am I, but where are you.

y

February 26, 2006

Glad to hear you got a promotion . Good posture in the car while driving is the

key. Maybe one of those Lumbar pillows would help you also .

Jack <admakerjack@...> wrote: Hi everyone

I've just been promoted to Area Sales Manager { although they knew I

have a herniated disk } and that means a lot of driving. Please

tell me what I can do to best protect my back ( a belt could help so

I've heard - is anyone using such a thing and is it helpfull ).

What should I do if I have to go for a 2 hour trip ? What advice can

you give me ?

Professionally I will do great , I know that , but only if my back

will be on my side , so to speak. I really can't afford to do anything

foolish and worsen my back or even go to surgery.

I'm really looking forward to your response.

All the best everyone.

February 26, 2006

Congratulations on your promotion. I am always happy to hear of success

stories for those suffering from chronic pain associated with back problems.

There are several things on the market said to help with controlling back

pain whilst driving. Some include:

* wedge shaped pillows designed to take pressure off the tail bone

* cushions that contain both heat and vibration devices used to help

take your mind off the pain. (I used one for years just utilizing it as a

heating pad)

* Some people use a rolled up towel placed in the small of the back to

help with correct posture

* pillows used to enhance the position of the lower back

I would recommend performing a search for web sites pertaining to back pain

and see what is promoted/discussed for helping with back pain. Forums are the

best place to find out about the best products as many people express their

opinion about the products.

The one thing I really want to advise you on relates to any pain meds you

may be taking. Be very careful about driving long distances or for that matted

driving at all if you are taking any medications for pain. Narcotic pain

medications aren't the only meds to cause alertness problems. Many meds such as

nuerontin, cymbalta, lyrica, various muscle relaxers, and pain relievers may

cause problems. I say all this only to warn that many states now have laws

against driving under the influence of drugs, wether they are prescription or

illegal. Compounding the problem is many doctors aren't willing to recommend to

their patients to stop driving leaving the burden up to the patient to

determine if they are able to drive/work.

I know there have been several times I have felt fine (so I thought) about

performing an activity only to end up making a mistake causing injury to myself

and a few close calls on the road. It was finally my lawyer I had for

obtaining SSD that told me I had no business driving on all the medication I am

on,

then after that the doctors finally agreed. Granted I am now on a large dose

of meds and am no longer working but a year ago I was driving an hour one

way to work on a fairly moderate dose of narcotic (Duragesic 125 microgram/hour

and percocet for breakthrough pain).

Review of Virginia law and discussions with a former deputy allowed me to

reveal that had I been in an accident, I would have been charged with DUID

(driving under the influence of drugs). Making things worse, during a

Functional

Capacity Exam I discover that my balance was terrible so if I was ever given

a sobriety test, I would fail. All this being said, I always felt fairly

comfortable driving until these facts became apparent. If your were to wreck

and

a fatality was involved, you would be charged with vehicular manslaughter and

sentenced to 10 years.

I do wish you the best of luck in your new position and pray that your pain

stays at a manageable level so you can continue working. Lumbar herniations

can be treated to alleviate the problem(s) many people have. My pain originated

from the thoracic area (T6-7) compressing my spinal cord 6 mm and because

risks outweigh any potential benefits, I am not a good candidate for surgery.

Good luck and God Bless. Sorry this is so long and wording but I just took

my meds a short time ago and am struggling to finish.

February 26, 2006

hi, i travel a lot and a good lumbar roll, tons of water (i have no idea why but

water always makes me feel good, but then so does sugar) and getting up and

walking every 15 minutes or 1/2 hour. just walk around the car. i fly alot so

i get up and walk around the plane. putting your legs up on the dashboard for 5

minutes would be great too. takes the pressure off marsha

Re: Driving

Glad to hear you got a promotion . Good posture in the car while driving is the

key. Maybe one of those Lumbar pillows would help you also .

Jack <admakerjack@...> wrote: Hi everyone

I've just been promoted to Area Sales Manager { although they knew I

have a herniated disk } and that means a lot of driving. Please

tell me what I can do to best protect my back ( a belt could help so

I've heard - is anyone using such a thing and is it helpfull ).

What should I do if I have to go for a 2 hour trip ? What advice can

you give me ?

Professionally I will do great , I know that , but only if my back

will be on my side , so to speak. I really can't afford to do anything

foolish and worsen my back or even go to surgery.

I'm really looking forward to your response.

All the best everyone.

February 26, 2006

At 12:49 AM 2/26/2006, Jack wrote:

>I've just been promoted to Area Sales Manager { although they knew I

>have a herniated disk } and that means a lot of driving. Please

>tell me what I can do to best protect my back ( a belt could help so

>I've heard - is anyone using such a thing and is it helpfull ).

>What should I do if I have to go for a 2 hour trip ? What advice can

>you give me ?

Are you under a doctor's care currently? You might want to discuss with

him/her the best way to keep your back in shape for all the driving you

will be doing. Perhaps he/she can direct you to PT and some stretches and

exercises you can do before, during and after a long drive on the road.

Congrats on your promotion, and I hope the driving doesn't kill the joy of

your new position.

Best,

http://thebacklog.blogspot.com/

February 26, 2006

Congratulations on your promotion!!

A double edged sword, huh? Extra money but also the possibility of extra pain.

There is a full sized (neck to butt) back support pad at Wal-Mart that you

plug into your cig lighter and it vibrates and heats. That could be beneficial.

Or a small travel sized pillow.

Take stretch breaks when you need them, but at least one every hour. I know

when I am on the road, I hate to stop, but stopping frequently may allow you to

drive further.

Get to your appt with time to spare for stretching and getting any kinks out.

Be careful with pain meds, as if in an accident or a cop pulls you over, you

can be charged with DUI. And Lord help you if involved in an accident. Even if

not your fault, you can still be charged with a multitude of misdemeanors or

felonies.

See if you can get by with just ibuprofin while driving. My doctor suggested

it to me when I could hardly walk due to a leg infection and I was 5 hours from

home. I told him that with all the pain meds I am on, ibuprofin isn't gonna

touch it. I hadn't taken my usual pain meds because I was driving. Surprisingly

the pain was gone with just the ibuprofin and bought me time to get home so he

could lance my leg.

Good luck with the new job...and hope all goes well.

.

Jack <admakerjack@...> wrote:

Hi everyone

I've just been promoted to Area Sales Manager { although they knew I

have a herniated disk } and that means a lot of driving. Please

tell me what I can do to best protect my back ( a belt could help so

I've heard - is anyone using such a thing and is it helpfull ).

What should I do if I have to go for a 2 hour trip ? What advice can

you give me ?

Professionally I will do great , I know that , but only if my back

will be on my side , so to speak. I really can't afford to do anything

foolish and worsen my back or even go to surgery.

I'm really looking forward to your response.

All the best everyone.

February 26, 2006

At 10:54 AM 2/26/2006, you wrote:

>I know there have been several times I have felt fine (so I thought) about

>performing an activity only to end up making a mistake causing injury to

>myself and a few close calls on the road.

, you're so right about this. It's one of the issues I've had to

remember, myself, over the past few years, that I just can't do as much as

I used to or I can't do some things I used to be able to do easily. My

back problems and their resultant fixes have made many changes in my life

and I have to be aware of those all the time, including how impaired I

might be on any one of my combo pain meds.

http://thebacklog.blogspot.com/

February 27, 2006

There really isnt anything that you can do for pain. I had fusion in 2004. Then

started driving truck over the road in july 2005. I wore back braces, even tried

a pillow. nothing seemed to help. Now I was driving non stop for at least 11

hours a day so you may be a little better off than I was. Good luck!

Jack <admakerjack@...> wrote: Hi everyone

I've just been promoted to Area Sales Manager { although they knew I

have a herniated disk } and that means a lot of driving. Please

tell me what I can do to best protect my back ( a belt could help so

I've heard - is anyone using such a thing and is it helpfull ).

What should I do if I have to go for a 2 hour trip ? What advice can

you give me ?

Professionally I will do great , I know that , but only if my back

will be on my side , so to speak. I really can't afford to do anything

foolish and worsen my back or even go to surgery.

I'm really looking forward to your response.

All the best everyone.

February 28, 2006

Hi Jack congratulations on your new job. Try not to get too tense and do gentle

stretching and massage helps.

Jack <admakerjack@...> wrote:

Hi everyone

I've just been promoted to Area Sales Manager { although they knew I

have a herniated disk } and that means a lot of driving. Please

tell me what I can do to best protect my back ( a belt could help so

I've heard - is anyone using such a thing and is it helpfull ).

What should I do if I have to go for a 2 hour trip ? What advice can

you give me ?

Professionally I will do great , I know that , but only if my back

will be on my side , so to speak. I really can't afford to do anything

foolish and worsen my back or even go to surgery.

I'm really looking forward to your response.

All the best everyone.

April 25, 2006

I dont.. But i had to have a lot of work done to get my bike made to fit.

T <samning@...> wrote:

Hi

Just wondering, For those who drives, do any of you do not use an

extension pedal?

TinyT

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April 25, 2006

hi. I am in the process of learning to drive and I use hand controls. I am being

taught thru a new yourk state company called BOCES.

Driving

Hi

Just wondering, For those who drives, do any of you do not use an

extension pedal?

TinyT

===

April 25, 2006

I am 4'9 and drive a mustang GT that I also drag race. I just move the seat all

the way up.

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yes

T <samning@...> wrote: Hi

Just wondering, For those who drives, do any of you do not use an

extension pedal?

TinyT

===

April 26, 2006

i dont cause im only 13 and i still drive some one sits beside me and does the

pedals!!LOL

T <samning@...> wrote: Hi

Just wondering, For those who drives, do any of you do not use an

extension pedal?

TinyT

===

April 26, 2006

I don't use extentions..but I'm not out of portion, I am 4' even and wasn't

diagnosed while younger. The doctors my mom took me too just called my dwarfism

Short Statured which we know now was and is not right. My son is following his

mom's footsteps. he's not growing the way he should.. I use a boat seat from

Walmart and scoot the seat up and I can reach the pedals. My old cars I had

extentions and some of them I had hand controls..

Char

T <samning@...> wrote:

Hi

Just wondering, For those who drives, do any of you do not use an

extension pedal?

TinyT

===

June 13, 2006

-

I started driving (just locally; no freeways)as soon as I came home

from the hospital, whicch in my case was a little over 6 weeks postop.

I drive with my brace on, but it's no problem at all. (I'm now 10

weeks postop).

>

> Can any recovery patient tell me how long before they were driving?

Val

>

June 13, 2006

,

I saw the assistant surgeon on 8 week check up and he said minor local

driving after my hunnie expressed all his concern about bumps and

sudden brake movement. I could have decked him. I left a message for

the surgeon saying I needed a note to return to work for 10 hrs a week

and a note to return to driving. He can't argue with a doctor note can

he? Anyway, I have therapy 3 times a week, I have to get to work, my

son has all these appt coming up. I need to start driving. I weaned

myself off of meds..well, just about, this nerve thing in my hand

drove me to a vicadon last night at midnight. Face it I am definetely

not used to being with my hun 24 hours a day. Does it show?

In , " " <Dawg@...> wrote:

>

> -

>

> I started driving (just locally; no freeways)as soon as I came home

> from the hospital, whicch in my case was a little over 6 weeks

postop.

> I drive with my brace on, but it's no problem at all. (I'm now 10

> weeks postop).

>

> >

> > Can any recovery patient tell me how long before they were

driving?

> Val

> >

>

June 13, 2006

, , I just have to put in my two-cents on this

driving issue. Think about the mechanics that your body is using in

relationship to the surgery you just had. Although you’re feeling chipper

and no doubt the best you have in some time, your body is still doing some

major healing right now. 10 weeks post op is nowhere close to your fusion

being healed completely. Please err on the side of caution and

don’t drive unless you absolutely have to. Not so much for the body

mechanics that are used to drive (twisting around to see behind you, etc.) but

for any event that could take place beyond your control while operating a

vehicle. Remember, you’ve been through a very serious surgery and you

certainly wouldn’t want to do anything to cause your fusion to

fail. Take it easy – normal life will return all in good

time! Life happens; get someone to take over some of those errands for

just a while longer. ;o)

That being said, I’d like to share a trick for getting

in and out of vehicles so that you don’t have to twist. Place a

plastic grocery or garbage bag in the seat and then lower yourself onto the

seat and pivot around to the forward position. Of course, those with

leather seats in their vehicles don’t have to worry about this, but if

you have cloth seats it works great! )

Kelley

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