Re: Help with giving meds

March 1, 2009

I currently get my son's medication compounded. They use the pill form of the medication and compound it to liquid and better tasting. The regular liquid form of the medication has an awful taste. Pam

In a message dated 3/1/2009 1:23:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pjpoo78363@... writes:

I used to use a syringe to squirt my son's liquid medications down him, and then try to get him to swallow it. He wanted to take the pills at an early age also. He didn't like the taste of the liquid meds. Talk to your doctor about the problem with kids not wanting to take the meds, maybe he will have a solution.

From: ~~ <tinkermel2ugmail> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:56:38 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Help with giving meds

Oh Gosh! I have not gotten the RX yet for my 5 yo, but am praying to get one soon.. and she is also one to refuse meds.. (same with tylenol, cant even choke it down her if she has a fever!).. I was planning on putting a pill in some cottage cheese or applesauce and giving it to her.. so I cross my fingers it works when it is time.. I am interested to see what others say..

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Mina Smolinski <mina@blackcatsystem s.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,I've got a question about how to get meds into kids that are particularly difficult and with whom you can't reason. My almost 5 year old PDD-NOSer is impossible to get any medication into if he knows it's medication. All meds have to be hidden in something, and if he even gets an inkling that there might be a med hidden in something he won't eat/drink it. For the most part I don't even try...he doesn't get Motrin even if he's got a fever because it's not worth the battle, and it's not like you can just force him to take it...he makes himself throw up even if you've gotten him to swallow it.So, now his doc has prescribed Adderall XR for him in the morning. The first few mornings we didn't have any problems because I mixed it in some chocolate pudding and he didn't realize that it was medicated. But now I think he's caught on, and he's not taking it...spitting it out and gagging. There aren't a lot of things he likes that I can mix it into, though, and I'm just SO frustrated.. .I can't fight with him every morning, especially since there is no reasoning with him about it...he doesn't get that it's for his own good, that it only lasts a moment to take it, etc., etc. I mean, he won't take liquid medicine that TASTES GOOD, so how on earth am I going to get him to take this? And it makes me SO ANGRY with him because he has to make everything SO DIFFICULT all the time. I almost wish I could shoot the capsules down his throat like I would a cat. Ugh. Honestly, my pets were easier to give medicine to than this child.Thanks for any suggestions you might have.Mina------------ --------- --------- -Mina SmolinskiMommy to: 9/25/02 - NT 5/13/04 - PDD-NOSOwen 7/1/05 - PDD-NOS/HyperlexiaLila 3/3/07 - NT

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March 1, 2009

Oh Gosh! I have not gotten the RX yet for my 5 yo, but am praying to get one soon.. and she is also one to refuse meds.. (same with tylenol, cant even choke it down her if she has a fever!).. I was planning on putting a pill in some cottage cheese or applesauce and giving it to her.. so I cross my fingers it works when it is time.. I am interested to see what others say..

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Mina Smolinski <mina@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I've got a question about how to get meds into kids that are

particularly difficult and with whom you can't reason. My almost 5

year old PDD-NOSer is impossible to get any medication into if he

knows it's medication. All meds have to be hidden in something, and

if he even gets an inkling that there might be a med hidden in

something he won't eat/drink it. For the most part I don't even

try...he doesn't get Motrin even if he's got a fever because it's not

worth the battle, and it's not like you can just force him to take

it...he makes himself throw up even if you've gotten him to swallow it.

So, now his doc has prescribed Adderall XR for him in the morning.

The first few mornings we didn't have any problems because I mixed it

in some chocolate pudding and he didn't realize that it was

medicated. But now I think he's caught on, and he's not taking

it...spitting it out and gagging. There aren't a lot of things he

likes that I can mix it into, though, and I'm just SO frustrated...I

can't fight with him every morning, especially since there is no

reasoning with him about it...he doesn't get that it's for his own

good, that it only lasts a moment to take it, etc., etc. I mean, he

won't take liquid medicine that TASTES GOOD, so how on earth am I

going to get him to take this? And it makes me SO ANGRY with him

because he has to make everything SO DIFFICULT all the time. I almost

wish I could shoot the capsules down his throat like I would a cat.

Ugh. Honestly, my pets were easier to give medicine to than this child.

Thanks for any suggestions you might have.

Mina

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Mina Smolinski

Mommy to:

9/25/02 - NT

5/13/04 - PDD-NOS

Owen 7/1/05 - PDD-NOS/Hyperlexia

Lila 3/3/07 - NT

March 1, 2009

I'm not sure if you guys are talking about liquid meds or pills. My son HATED taking liquid meds (had to take a lot as a toddler/preschooler due to frequent lung problems like bronchitis, pneumonia, bronchiolits, etc...). I used to physically hold him down to give him the medication. It was a messy, lousy way of having to do it. Broke my heart for him and pissed me off beyond belief at the same time! When he found out he could take a pill, he was beyond the moon! He started taking them young (maybe 4, at least 5). My pediatrician said we could try it, with a small concern for choking, but Dylan has never had a problem taking them, ever. He puts water in his mouth first and then pops the pill which I think he does b/c he doesn't feel the pill in his mouth as much.

"Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out."

From: ~~ <tinkermel2u@...> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:56:38 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Help with giving meds

Oh Gosh! I have not gotten the RX yet for my 5 yo, but am praying to get one soon.. and she is also one to refuse meds.. (same with tylenol, cant even choke it down her if she has a fever!).. I was planning on putting a pill in some cottage cheese or applesauce and giving it to her.. so I cross my fingers it works when it is time.. I am interested to see what others say..

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Mina Smolinski <mina@blackcatsystem s.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,I've got a question about how to get meds into kids that are particularly difficult and with whom you can't reason. My almost 5 year old PDD-NOSer is impossible to get any medication into if he knows it's medication. All meds have to be hidden in something, and if he even gets an inkling that there might be a med hidden in something he won't eat/drink it. For the most part I don't even try...he doesn't get Motrin even if he's got a fever because it's not worth the battle, and it's not like you can just force him to take it...he makes himself throw up even if you've gotten him to swallow it.So, now his doc has prescribed Adderall XR for him in the morning. The first few mornings we didn't have any problems because I mixed it in some chocolate pudding and he didn't realize that it was medicated. But now I think he's caught on, and he's not taking it...spitting it out and

gagging. There aren't a lot of things he likes that I can mix it into, though, and I'm just SO frustrated.. .I can't fight with him every morning, especially since there is no reasoning with him about it...he doesn't get that it's for his own good, that it only lasts a moment to take it, etc., etc. I mean, he won't take liquid medicine that TASTES GOOD, so how on earth am I going to get him to take this? And it makes me SO ANGRY with him because he has to make everything SO DIFFICULT all the time. I almost wish I could shoot the capsules down his throat like I would a cat. Ugh. Honestly, my pets were easier to give medicine to than this child.Thanks for any suggestions you might have.Mina------------ --------- --------- -Mina SmolinskiMommy to: 9/25/02 - NT 5/13/04 - PDD-NOSOwen 7/1/05 - PDD-NOS/HyperlexiaLila 3/3/07 - NT

March 1, 2009

This is an interesting topic. When we started giving my son supplements and medications, the rec. by the doctor was to NEVER "hide" it because it makes children distrustful of what they are eating, changes the flavor, etc. So we have always, from the very beginning, told him that it was medicine for (x reason) and he had to eat it. There was no choice... even with a temper tantrum...

And now that we have been doing it for some time, I am so glad that they told me not to hide anything and be upfront. I think for our son, this is the best approach.

I wonder if you just started a new philosophy of giving meds in the home. No more hiding it. And it became a family dialogue about why you need to take x,y,z medications. At age 5 he could understand some of it, I think.

You could set up an easily attainable reward sticker chart (maybe 2-4 stars) to reward him with something HIGHLY motivating for him for taking his meds. in an acceptable way. From your story, I think you need to change the family culture starting with no more hiding the meds.

I know how angry it can make you when they won't take what you need them to because we have had this problem from time to time with some bad tasting items.

I am sorry you are having this problem. It is just an additional stress. Good luck!

Hi everyone,I've got a question about how to get meds into kids that are particularly difficult and with whom you can't reason. My almost 5 year old PDD-NOSer is impossible to get any medication into if he knows it's medication. All meds have to be hidden in something, and if he even gets an inkling that there might be a med hidden in something he won't eat/drink it. For the most part I don't even try...he doesn't get Motrin even if he's got a fever because it's not worth the battle, and it's not like you can just force him to take it...he makes himself throw up even if you've gotten him to swallow it.So, now his doc has prescribed Adderall XR for him in the morning. The first few mornings we didn't have any problems because I mixed it in some chocolate pudding and he didn't realize that it was medicated. But now I think he's caught on, and he's not taking it...spitting it out and

gagging. There aren't a lot of things he likes that I can mix it into, though, and I'm just SO frustrated.. .I can't fight with him every morning, especially since there is no reasoning with him about it...he doesn't get that it's for his own good, that it only lasts a moment to take it, etc., etc. I mean, he won't take liquid medicine that TASTES GOOD, so how on earth am I going to get him to take this? And it makes me SO ANGRY with him because he has to make everything SO DIFFICULT all the time. I almost wish I could shoot the capsules down his throat like I would a cat. Ugh. Honestly, my pets were easier to give medicine to than this child.Thanks for any suggestions you might have.Mina------------ --------- --------- -Mina SmolinskiMommy to: 9/25/02 - NT 5/13/04 - PDD-NOSOwen 7/1/05 - PDD-NOS/HyperlexiaLila 3/3/07 - NT

March 1, 2009

I used to use a syringe to squirt my son's liquid medications down him, and then try to get him to swallow it. He wanted to take the pills at an early age also. He didn't like the taste of the liquid meds. Talk to your doctor about the problem with kids not wanting to take the meds, maybe he will have a solution.

From: ~~ <tinkermel2u@...> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:56:38 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Help with giving meds

Oh Gosh! I have not gotten the RX yet for my 5 yo, but am praying to get one soon.. and she is also one to refuse meds.. (same with tylenol, cant even choke it down her if she has a fever!).. I was planning on putting a pill in some cottage cheese or applesauce and giving it to her.. so I cross my fingers it works when it is time.. I am interested to see what others say..

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Mina Smolinski <mina@blackcatsystem s.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,I've got a question about how to get meds into kids that are particularly difficult and with whom you can't reason. My almost 5 year old PDD-NOSer is impossible to get any medication into if he knows it's medication. All meds have to be hidden in something, and if he even gets an inkling that there might be a med hidden in something he won't eat/drink it. For the most part I don't even try...he doesn't get Motrin even if he's got a fever because it's not worth the battle, and it's not like you can just force him to take it...he makes himself throw up even if you've gotten him to swallow it.So, now his doc has prescribed Adderall XR for him in the morning. The first few mornings we didn't have any problems because I mixed it in some chocolate pudding and he didn't realize that it was medicated. But now I think he's caught on, and he's not taking it...spitting it out and

gagging. There aren't a lot of things he likes that I can mix it into, though, and I'm just SO frustrated.. .I can't fight with him every morning, especially since there is no reasoning with him about it...he doesn't get that it's for his own good, that it only lasts a moment to take it, etc., etc. I mean, he won't take liquid medicine that TASTES GOOD, so how on earth am I going to get him to take this? And it makes me SO ANGRY with him because he has to make everything SO DIFFICULT all the time. I almost wish I could shoot the capsules down his throat like I would a cat. Ugh. Honestly, my pets were easier to give medicine to than this child.Thanks for any suggestions you might have.Mina------------ --------- --------- -Mina SmolinskiMommy to: 9/25/02 - NT 5/13/04 - PDD-NOSOwen 7/1/05 - PDD-NOS/HyperlexiaLila 3/3/07 - NT

March 1, 2009

Have you spoken to the MD about Daytrana? It is the patch. It is

indicated for kids older than 6 but sometimes MDs use prescription

drugs off label. It might be worth inquiring about.

March 1, 2009

I'd just hold their nose and squirt it in with a dropper when they were not freaking out and wiggling around too badly,,,,he he.

Or,,,,,,,when they had the 10 day meds for a sickness or whatever, I'd get a 2 ltr of any soda they wanted. Then,,,,i'd tell them that if they take it quick, they could have a glass.

It totally worked, cause we never had soda in the house other than for the pukes.

Good luck.

Hi everyone,I've got a question about how to get meds into kids that are particularly difficult and with whom you can't reason. My almost 5 year old PDD-NOSer is impossible to get any medication into if he knows it's medication. All meds have to be hidden in something, and if he even gets an inkling that there might be a med hidden in something he won't eat/drink it. For the most part I don't even try...he doesn't get Motrin even if he's got a fever because it's not worth the battle, and it's not like you can just force him to take it...he makes himself throw up even if you've gotten him to swallow it.So, now his doc has prescribed Adderall XR for him in the morning. The first few mornings we didn't have any problems because I mixed it in some chocolate pudding and he didn't realize that it was medicated. But now I think he's caught on, and he's not taking it...spitting it out and

gagging. There aren't a lot of things he likes that I can mix it into, though, and I'm just SO frustrated.. .I can't fight with him every morning, especially since there is no reasoning with him about it...he doesn't get that it's for his own good, that it only lasts a moment to take it, etc., etc. I mean, he won't take liquid medicine that TASTES GOOD, so how on earth am I going to get him to take this? And it makes me SO ANGRY with him because he has to make everything SO DIFFICULT all the time. I almost wish I could shoot the capsules down his throat like I would a cat. Ugh. Honestly, my pets were easier to give medicine to than this child.Thanks for any suggestions you might have.Mina------------ --------- --------- -Mina SmolinskiMommy to: 9/25/02 - NT 5/13/04 - PDD-NOSOwen 7/1/05 - PDD-NOS/HyperlexiaLila 3/3/07 - NT

March 1, 2009

I have to laugh at this last post. When giving medicine to my son, there was never a choice but he still wouldn't take it. He gagged till he threw up if we finally did get it down his throat. And to the doctors who tell you it can be hidden in foods...dream on! At the earliest age they told me to try that it didn't work. He is SOOO fussy about flavors, he has it down to we can only buy certain brands of the 10 foods he eats or he can tell the difference. Liquid meds are a joke here. He learned to swallow pills by swallowing orange tic tacs as suggested by a nurse at his pediatrician's office. I had an ER nurse tell me I had to force him to drink some chalky white liquid medication when he was having heart trouble after being on the Daytrana patch. She totally did not ge tit when I told her it was not going

to happen. She told me to just tell him he had to. I told her to try it. SHe was mad at me because I couldn't ge thim to take it and told her to take it away. LOL

Hi everyone,I've got a question about how to get meds into kids that are particularly difficult and with whom you can't reason. My almost 5 year old PDD-NOSer is impossible to get any medication into if he knows it's medication. All meds have to be hidden in something, and if he even gets an inkling that there might be a med hidden in something he won't eat/drink it. For the most part I don't even try...he doesn't get Motrin even if he's got a fever because it's not worth the battle, and it's not like you can just force him to take it...he makes himself throw up even if you've gotten him to swallow it.So, now his doc has prescribed Adderall XR for him in the morning. The first few mornings we didn't have any problems because I mixed it in some chocolate pudding and he didn't realize that it was medicated. But now I think he's caught on, and he's not taking it...spitting it out and

gagging. There aren't a lot of things he likes that I can mix it into, though, and I'm just SO frustrated.. .I can't fight with him every morning, especially since there is no reasoning with him about it...he doesn't get that it's for his own good, that it only lasts a moment to take it, etc., etc. I mean, he won't take liquid medicine that TASTES GOOD, so how on earth am I going to get him to take this? And it makes me SO ANGRY with him because he has to make everything SO DIFFICULT all the time. I almost wish I could shoot the capsules down his throat like I would a cat. Ugh. Honestly, my pets were easier to give medicine to than this child.Thanks for any suggestions you might have.Mina------------ --------- --------- -Mina SmolinskiMommy to: 9/25/02 - NT 5/13/04 - PDD-NOSOwen 7/1/05 - PDD-NOS/HyperlexiaLila 3/3/07 - NT

March 1, 2009

He he. Ah yes...........the kids throwing up the medicine....he he. Memories......

I remember wondering if 3-4 spoonfuls each 'try" would end up getting the right amount in him after he puked it up.

I even asked once if they could give me twice the amount they rx'd, cause 1/2 was sure to end up on the floor.

he he.

Hi everyone,I've got a question about how to get meds into kids that are particularly difficult and with whom you can't reason. My almost 5 year old PDD-NOSer is impossible to get any medication into if he knows it's medication. All meds have to be hidden in something, and if he even gets an inkling that there might be a med hidden in something he won't eat/drink it. For the most part I don't even try...he doesn't get Motrin even if he's got a fever because it's not worth the battle, and it's not like you can just force him to take it...he makes himself throw up even if you've gotten him to swallow it.So, now his doc has prescribed Adderall XR for him in the morning. The first few mornings we didn't have any problems because I mixed it in some chocolate pudding and he didn't realize that it was medicated. But now I think he's caught on, and he's not taking it...spitting it out and

gagging. There aren't a lot of things he likes that I can mix it into, though, and I'm just SO frustrated.. .I can't fight with him every morning, especially since there is no reasoning with him about it...he doesn't get that it's for his own good, that it only lasts a moment to take it, etc., etc. I mean, he won't take liquid medicine that TASTES GOOD, so how on earth am I going to get him to take this? And it makes me SO ANGRY with him because he has to make everything SO DIFFICULT all the time. I almost wish I could shoot the capsules down his throat like I would a cat. Ugh. Honestly, my pets were easier to give medicine to than this child.Thanks for any suggestions you might have.Mina------------ --------- --------- -Mina SmolinskiMommy to: 9/25/02 - NT 5/13/04 - PDD-NOSOwen 7/1/05 - PDD-NOS/HyperlexiaLila 3/3/07 - NT

March 2, 2009

Here's the thing...he does NOT understand. He doesn't get it AT ALL. He's high functioning PDD-NOS, but there is no reasoning with him AT ALL. And, if you can get him to take it, he then makes himself THROW UP. If he doesn't know he's taking it then he doesn't throw up, but if he knows it's medicine, even if you get him to swallow it, it comes right back up. I know that most of you probably just think he's a little resistant, but that's not it at all. My 6 year old is resistant...but if you force the issue and tell him he MUST take it he takes it, albeit with a bit of a fuss.I know a lot of you probably think I'm exaggerating, but he really IS that bad. Right now he's got strep, and the doctor prescribed Omnicef. Could NOT get it into him. Used a syringe to squirt it down his throat, and he threw it up. Tried to get him to take it off a spoon (it's only 1 tsp. and it's pleasant tasting...like strawberry cream)....threw up. Tried mixing into strawberry yogurt...threw up. Mixing into juice...threw up. I ended up having to take him into the emergency room where he got an IM injection of antibiotic because we couldn't let the infection rage on unchecked. So now today I'm back to trying to figure out how to get his 1 tsp. daily dose of antibiotic into him for the next 7 days, let alone get any Adderall into him.Mina -------------------------------Creative Designs by Minahttp://www.minasmol.etsy.com On Mar 1, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Alyssa Davi wrote:This is an interesting topic. When we started giving my son supplements and medications, the rec. by the doctor was to NEVER "hide" it because it makes children distrustful of what they are eating, changes the flavor, etc. So we have always, from the very beginning, told him that it was medicine for (x reason) and he had to eat it. There was no choice... even with a temper tantrum... And now that we have been doing it for some time, I am so glad that they told me not to hide anything and be upfront. I think for our son, this is the best approach. I wonder if you just started a new philosophy of giving meds in the home. No more hiding it. And it became a family dialogue about why you need to take x,y,z medications. At age 5 he could understand some of it, I think. You could set up an easily attainable reward sticker chart (maybe 2-4 stars) to reward him with something HIGHLY motivating for him for taking his meds. in an acceptable way. From your story, I think you need to change the family culture starting with no more hiding the meds. I know how angry it can make you when they won't take what you need them to because we have had this problem from time to time with some bad tasting items. I am sorry you are having this problem. It is just an additional stress. Good luck! Hi everyone,I've got a question about how to get meds into kids that are particularly difficult and with whom you can't reason. My almost 5 year old PDD-NOSer is impossible to get any medication into if he knows it's medication. All meds have to be hidden in something, and if he even gets an inkling that there might be a med hidden in something he won't eat/drink it. For the most part I don't even try...he doesn't get Motrin even if he's got a fever because it's not worth the battle, and it's not like you can just force him to take it...he makes himself throw up even if you've gotten him to swallow it.So, now his doc has prescribed Adderall XR for him in the morning. The first few mornings we didn't have any problems because I mixed it in some chocolate pudding and he didn't realize that it was medicated. But now I think he's caught on, and he's not taking it...spitting it out and gagging. There aren't a lot of things he likes that I can mix it into, though, and I'm just SO frustrated.. .I can't fight with him every morning, especially since there is no reasoning with him about it...he doesn't get that it's for his own good, that it only lasts a moment to take it, etc., etc. I mean, he won't take liquid medicine that TASTES GOOD, so how on earth am I going to get him to take this? And it makes me SO ANGRY with him because he has to make everything SO DIFFICULT all the time. I almost wish I could shoot the capsules down his throat like I would a cat. Ugh. Honestly, my pets were easier to give medicine to than this child.Thanks for any suggestions you might have.Mina------------ --------- --------- -Mina SmolinskiMommy to: 9/25/02 - NT 5/13/04 - PDD-NOSOwen 7/1/05 - PDD-NOS/HyperlexiaLila 3/3/07 - NT

March 2, 2009

Just a

thought – and you’ ve probably already tried it - but

have you tried spreading it on bread under some similar flavoured jam or as a “sauce”

over ice cream?

a

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Help with giving meds

Here's the thing...he does NOT understand. He

doesn't get it AT ALL. He's high functioning PDD-NOS, but there is no

reasoning with him AT ALL. And, if you can get him to take it, he then

makes himself THROW UP. If he doesn't know he's taking it then he doesn't

throw up, but if he knows it's medicine, even if you get him to swallow it, it

comes right back up. I know that most of you probably just think he's a

little resistant, but that's not it at all. My 6 year old is resistant...but

if you force the issue and tell him he MUST take it he takes it, albeit with a

bit of a fuss.

I know a lot of you

probably think I'm exaggerating, but he really IS that bad. Right now

he's got strep, and the doctor prescribed Omnicef. Could NOT get it into

him. Used a syringe to squirt it down his throat, and he threw it up.

Tried to get him to take it off a spoon (it's only 1 tsp. and it's

pleasant tasting...like strawberry cream)....threw up. Tried mixing into

strawberry yogurt...threw up. Mixing into juice...threw up. I ended

up having to take him into the emergency room where he got an IM injection of

antibiotic because we couldn't let the infection rage on unchecked. So

now today I'm back to trying to figure out how to get his 1 tsp. daily dose of

antibiotic into him for the next 7 days, let alone get any Adderall into him.

Mina

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http://www.minasmol.etsy.com

On Mar 1, 2009, at 1:21

PM, Alyssa Davi wrote:

This is an interesting topic. When we started

giving my son supplements and medications, the rec. by the doctor was to

NEVER " hide " it because it makes children distrustful of what they

are eating, changes the flavor, etc. So we have always, from the very

beginning, told him that it was medicine for (x reason) and he had to

eat it. There was no choice... even with a temper tantrum...

And now that we have been doing it for some time, I

am so glad that they told me not to hide anything and be upfront. I

think for our son, this is the best approach.

I wonder if you just started a new philosophy of

giving meds in the home. No more hiding it. And it became a

family dialogue about why you need to take x,y,z medications. At age 5

he could understand some of it, I think.

You could set up an easily attainable

reward sticker chart (maybe 2-4 stars) to reward him with something

HIGHLY motivating for him for taking his meds. in an

acceptable way. From your story, I think you need to change the family

culture starting with no more hiding the meds.

I know how angry it can make you when they won't

take what you need them to because we have had this problem from time to

time with some bad tasting items.

I am sorry you are having this problem. It is

just an additional stress. Good luck!

Hi

everyone,