Re: Re: great source for learning body language

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The reason they grin is that they don't know what else to do and they are embarrassed. My son does the same thing...and his teacher last year screamed at him at the IEP meeting...she said "Wipe that Grin off your face" and I replied....Oh, I see you REALLY Don't know or understand my son...he is not laughing or grinning...he is embarrassed and he doesn't know how to handle it ...so he is give a nervous smile ...our of being anxious, nervous and embarrassed...it is what he does and so do A LOT of other kids.

I think we need to work with our kids on this...becuase to tell you the truth...I don't think an officier of the Law will understand this and it would really piss them off...

Jan

Janice Rushen

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From: carolynsuelowerychattanooga <sue@...>Subject: ( ) Re: great source for learning body language Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:15 AM

I would have to question whether the "cues" that hold true for the rest of the population hold true with our kids. DS, when in really BIG trouble has a tendency to grin. It is an entirely inappropriate facial gesture and can be infuriating. Does law enforcement take things like that into account? I have always worried if he were picked up.Don't know why he does it, but wonder how that factors in.Sue in TN> >> > I have found some great sources for learning how to read non-verbal cues. Handwriting analysis, the TV show "Lie to Me" on Fox (can be viewed online full episdoes at Fox.com) and the book 'The Power of Body Language" by Tonya Reiman. > > > > The handwriting effect does not require much eye contact.> > > > Lie to me is a show about a psychologist who works with police in District of Columbia with criminals in analyzing the behavior. For example, people pointing their fingers in the opposite direction with they are angry is usually lying (same gesture Bill Clinton made when saying he did not have sexual relations with ).> > > > The book i am beginning to read for a second time.> > Thanks, . My 14yo son with AS especially struggles with non-verbal communication, so I will check these things out. He perceives and uses very little facial

expression/body language. > > Ruth>

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i agree now i understand more why my son seems to think it is funny but maybe he is just nervous and doesnt j\know how to respond i have noticed than when we try to talk with him he looks away and down and acts as if dumbfounded like he either doesnt know what he has done wrong or he knows but cant explain what happened. it is tough we have other children, who want to blame josh all the time and i honestly dont believe he is always the problem. sherry

From: carolynsuelowerycha ttanooga <sue@chasinglewisand clark.com>Subject: ( ) Re: great source for learning body language Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:15 AM

I would have to question whether the "cues" that hold true for the rest of the population hold true with our kids. DS, when in really BIG trouble has a tendency to grin. It is an entirely inappropriate facial gesture and can be infuriating. Does law enforcement take things like that into account? I have always worried if he were picked up.Don't know why he does it, but wonder how that factors in.Sue in TN> >> > I have found some great sources for learning how to read non-verbal cues. Handwriting analysis, the TV show "Lie to Me" on Fox (can be viewed online full episdoes at Fox.com) and the book 'The Power of Body Language" by Tonya Reiman. > > > > The handwriting effect does not require much eye contact.> > > > Lie to me is a show about a psychologist who works with police in District of Columbia with criminals in analyzing the behavior. For example, people pointing their fingers in the opposite direction with they are angry is usually lying (same gesture Bill Clinton made when saying he did not have sexual relations with ).> > > > The book i am beginning to read for a second time.> > Thanks, . My 14yo son with AS especially struggles with non-verbal communication, so I will check these things out. He perceives and uses very little facial

expression/body language. > > Ruth>

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omg me too, i have gotten so angry i had to walk away because he kept laughing and even when he saw how furious i became he kept laughing all the while saying i am sorry mommy i dont mean to laugh i cant help it. sherry ps this only happened a few times when he was a little younger has not happened lately.From: carolynsuelowerychattanooga <sue@...>Subject: ( ) Re: great source for learning body language Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:09 PM

Thank you Jan, I have to admit it can make my blood boil too! I have to really stop and take a deep breath, but more than once I have said, "So you think this is funny?"

Grrr. I think they could get in a lot of trouble too with the wrong person. Any suggestions?

Sue

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> > > I have found some great sources for learning how to read non-verbal cues. Handwriting analysis, the TV show "Lie to Me" on Fox (can be viewed online full episdoes at Fox.com) and the book 'The Power of Body Language" by Tonya Reiman.

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> > > Lie to me is a show about a psychologist who works with police in District of Columbia with criminals in analyzing the behavior. For example, people pointing their fingers in the opposite direction with they are angry is usually lying (same gesture Bill Clinton made when saying he did not have sexual relations with ).

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> > Thanks, . My 14yo son with AS especially struggles with non-verbal communication, so I will check these things out. He perceives and uses very little facial expression/body language.

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I agree with you Sherry....the other kids are wiser and our kids are the ones blamed or caught...and a lot of time they don't even know what they did wrong...it happened to my son...in confirmation class the boys called Bobby over...and copied them...maybe the way he said it...I don't really know...but he was told by one of the leaders he was being disrespectful...and he was angry because he wasn't...again he was misunderstood....Ugh! It stinks.

Jan

Janice Rushen

"I will try to be open to all avenues of wisdom and hope"

From: carolynsuelowerycha ttanooga <sue@chasinglewisand clark.com>Subject: ( ) Re: great source for learning body language Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:15 AM

I would have to question whether the "cues" that hold true for the rest of the population hold true with our kids. DS, when in really BIG trouble has a tendency to grin. It is an entirely inappropriate facial gesture and can be infuriating. Does law enforcement take things like that into account? I have always worried if he were picked up.Don't know why he does it, but wonder how that factors in.Sue in TN> >> > I have found some great sources for learning how to read non-verbal

cues. Handwriting analysis, the TV show "Lie to Me" on Fox (can be viewed online full episdoes at Fox.com) and the book 'The Power of Body Language" by Tonya Reiman. > > > > The handwriting effect does not require much eye contact.> > > > Lie to me is a show about a psychologist who works with police in District of Columbia with criminals in analyzing the behavior. For example, people pointing their fingers in the opposite direction with they are angry is usually lying (same gesture Bill Clinton made when saying he did not have sexual relations with ).> > > > The book i am beginning to read for a second time.> > Thanks, . My 14yo son with AS especially struggles with non-verbal communication, so I will check these things out. He perceives and uses very little facial expression/body language. > >

Ruth>

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It does stink, and as my dear son says it just isnt fair. but i have struggled andstruggled and my future husband says i am too defensive for him and maybe i am but who else is gonna stick up for him he cant do it on his own. he says i use the dx for an excuse for his behavior but i disclipline the best i can and never say to my son that it is because of as or the adhd. i simply try to explain to adults why he has some behavior issues but most times adult s dont want to hear or even act like they care they just look at u like ur child is so terrible. sherry but it is nice some one sees my point of view. sherry

From: carolynsuelowerycha ttanooga <sue@chasinglewisand clark.com>Subject: ( ) Re: great source for learning body language Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:15 AM

I would have to question whether the "cues" that hold true for the rest of the population hold true with our kids. DS, when in really BIG trouble has a tendency to grin. It is an entirely inappropriate facial gesture and can be infuriating. Does law enforcement take things like that into account? I have always worried if he were picked up.Don't know why he does it, but wonder how that factors in.Sue in TN> >> > I have found some great sources for learning how to read

non-verbal

cues. Handwriting analysis, the TV show "Lie to Me" on Fox (can be viewed online full episdoes at Fox.com) and the book 'The Power of Body Language" by Tonya Reiman. > > > > The handwriting effect does not require much eye contact.> > > > Lie to me is a show about a psychologist who works with police in District of Columbia with criminals in analyzing the behavior. For example, people pointing their fingers in the opposite direction with they are angry is usually lying (same gesture Bill Clinton made when saying he did not have sexual relations with ).> > > > The book i am beginning to read for a second time.> > Thanks, . My 14yo son with AS especially struggles with non-verbal communication, so I will check these things out. He perceives and uses very little facial expression/body language. > >

Ruth>

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Looking back now at it ...isn't it cute...think about it...he is apologizing and laughing at the same time...

Sometimes when my son is so angry ...I just stare at him and he stares back and I stare back and we keep staring at each other till we both start laughing....OMG....so unreal but it works to break his anger. WE have to do what we can and learn as we go.

Yes, I do know what you mean...people don't understand....and think our kids are too smart and that they do know what they are doing ...yes my son understands things but when it is happening he can't handle it or do as we role played...I think it takes a long long time for them to finally (if ever) get it.

Jan

Janice Rushen

"I will try to be open to all avenues of wisdom and hope"

From: carolynsuelowerycha ttanooga <sue@chasinglewisand clark.com>Subject: ( ) Re: great source for learning body language Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:09 PM

Thank you Jan, I have to admit it can make my blood boil too! I have to really stop and take a deep breath, but more than once I have said, "So you think this is funny?"Grrr. I think they could get in a lot of trouble too with the wrong person. Any suggestions?Sue> > >> > > I have found some great sources for learning how to read non-verbal cues. Handwriting analysis, the TV show "Lie to Me" on Fox (can be viewed online full episdoes at Fox.com) and the book 'The Power of Body Language" by Tonya Reiman. > > > > > > The handwriting effect does not require much eye contact.> > > > > > Lie to me is a show about a psychologist who works with police in District of Columbia with criminals in analyzing the behavior.

For example, people pointing their fingers in the opposite direction with they are angry is usually lying (same gesture Bill Clinton made when saying he did not have sexual relations with ).> > > > > > The book i am beginning to read for a second time.> > > > Thanks, . My 14yo son with AS especially struggles with non-verbal communication, so I will check these things out. He perceives and uses very little facial expression/body language. > > > > Ruth> >>

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That's a GREAT idea, Ruth. Then it's "documented" for them to be told if they ever have to come here, etc. (The lady on the phone would pass the info along over the CB, right?)

I may do that, actually - go there and have it listed "under" our address about Ian. Thanks you for the great idea!!!!

From: r_woman2 <me2ruth@...>Subject: ( ) Re: great source for learning body language Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 7:12 AM

>> Thank you Jan, I have to admit it can make my blood boil too! I have to really stop and take a deep breath, but more than once I have said, "So you think this is funny?"> > Grrr. I think they could get in a lot of trouble too with the wrong person. Any suggestions?I haven't found the time or energy to do this yet, but I know it is suggested to take your child around to the local fire and police departments, let them meet everybody around, inform them of his/her issues, so they may be aware if "something happens". You can even have your house tagged in the 911 database, with some notes attached.Ruth

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"Lie to Me" is a really cool show on it's own. But for older kids, it might be a great way to learn about body language issues - great idea !

Roxanna

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( ) Re: great source for learning body language

>> I have found some great sources for learning how to read non-verbal cues. Handwriting analysis, the TV show "Lie to Me" on Fox (can be viewed online full episdoes at Fox.com) and the book 'The Power of Body Language" by Tonya Reiman. > > The handwriting effect does not require much eye contact.> > Lie to me is a show about a psychologist who works with police in District of Columbia with criminals in analyzing the behavior. For example, people pointing their fingers in the opposite direction with they are angry is usually lying (same gesture Bill Clinton made when saying he did not have sexual relations with ).> > The book i am beginning to read for a second time.Thanks, . My 14yo son with AS especially struggles with non-verbal communication, so I will check these things out. He perceives and uses very little facial expression/body language. Ruth

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Yes, I think that might cause a huge problem if he were pulled over and was smiling. It might be a good idea to have a little "I have AS" card in his car so he could show them? But see if you can't work with him in getting him to make a different face. Maybe if he practiced another expression enough, he might start using it instead? What a problem to have! Oh my!

My older ds just goes blank. His expression goes blank and you can see him just shut down. I think that is what would happen if he got in any trouble. They might wonder if he can hear or speak English just because he wouldn't respond. My younger one would do ok, I think. He doesn't make a face like that when in trouble. He IS more apt to say something inappropriate.

Dennis Debault has a book on law enforcement and autism. You might consider buying the book and donating it to your local police department. http://www.autismriskmanagement.com/

Roxanna

The government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases:If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it.And if it stops moving, subsidize it. Reagan

( ) Re: great source for learning body language

Thank you Jan, I have to admit it can make my blood boil too! I have to really stop and take a deep breath, but more than once I have said, "So you think this is funny?"Grrr. I think they could get in a lot of trouble too with the wrong person. Any suggestions?Sue> > >> > > I have found some great sources for learning how to read non-verbal cues. Handwriting analysis, the TV show "Lie to Me" on Fox (can be viewed online full episdoes at Fox.com) and the book 'The Power of Body Language" by Tonya Reiman. > > > > > > The handwriting effect does not require much eye contact.> > > > > > Lie to me is a show about a psychologist who works with police in District of Columbia with criminals in analyzing the behavior. For example, people pointing their fingers in the opposite direction with they are angry is usually lying (same gesture Bill Clinton made when saying he did not have sexual relations with ).> > > > > > The book i am beginning to read for a second time.> > > > Thanks, . My 14yo son with AS especially struggles with non-verbal communication, so I will check these things out. He perceives and uses very little facial expression/body language. > > > > Ruth> >>

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