Re: Lavoie

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I ditto that! Lavoie is really a wonderful speaker if anyone gets the chance to hear him in the future. He has great ideas and he explains things so well. He had great stories to share also. I enjoyed hearing him speak a lot.

Also his book, "It's so much work to be your friend" is a great book on the skills you need to be a friend. I would highly recommend it to anyone wanting in depth information on friendship skills. I am getting his other book about "motivation" via the library, soon...I am waiting for it to show up. I sure need help learning how to motivate my 12 yo ds. I hope he has some good ideas!

I am surprised the teachers were not happy about having to read the book. It's an easy read and such good information. He writes great examples as well. I mean, it's not boring even if you aren't interested in this. It's too bad more of them weren't interested because this is right up their career.

Roxanna

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Hi everyone...speaking of Lavoie...he is really great. Our Sped Asst. Superintendent and my boss...just loves him. She loaned me one of her books..."It's so much work to be your friend". I read it and loved it. Then she bought 2 of his videos.....during the Act 80 days we watched them....one is called "Last one Pick, First one Picked on" and the other video was on Motivation. Both were awesome....teachers and paraprofessionals had to watch it. I suggested that everyone working with the students should watch it, including the principles and assistant principles.The school also got a grant and they purchased his book...The Motivation Breakthrough. I have not read it yet...but was given a copy by my request. The Sped Teachers all got one and had to write something on an assigned chapter. I have also requested a copy of that.But the teacher were not too happy having to read the book...whereas I am excited about it. I was so grateful to receive a copy. I guess it proves what someone said...we can give the teachers all kinds of information....but they most likely won't read it or all of it.Jan

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I think it was because they had to write a report and speak about their assigned section in the book. The Special Ed. teachers are so overwhelmed with paperwork and this was just another assignment added on top of their already hectic schedule.

I was just so excited and please to get a copy....I have not started it but will soon. He is a fantastic speaker and does explain it so well. And, funny too!

Jan

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From: Roxanna <madideas@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Lavoie Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 9:11 PM

I ditto that! Lavoie is really a wonderful speaker if anyone gets the chance to hear him in the future. He has great ideas and he explains things so well. He had great stories to share also. I enjoyed hearing him speak a lot.

Also his book, "It's so much work to be your friend" is a great book on the skills you need to be a friend. I would highly recommend it to anyone wanting in depth information on friendship skills. I am getting his other book about "motivation" via the library, soon...I am waiting for it to show up. I sure need help learning how to motivate my 12 yo ds. I hope he has some good ideas!

I am surprised the teachers were not happy about having to read the book. It's an easy read and such good information. He writes great examples as well. I mean, it's not boring even if you aren't interested in this. It's too bad more of them weren't interested because this is right up their career.

Roxanna

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Hi everyone...speaking of Lavoie...he is really great. Our Sped Asst. Superintendent and my boss...just loves him. She loaned me one of her books..."It' s so much work to be your friend". I read it and loved it. Then she bought 2 of his videos.....during the Act 80 days we watched them....one is called "Last one Pick, First one Picked on" and the other video was on Motivation. Both were awesome....teachers and paraprofessionals had to watch it. I suggested that everyone working with the students should watch it, including the principles and assistant principles.The school also got a grant and they purchased his book...The Motivation Breakthrough. I have not read it yet...but was given a copy by my request. The Sped Teachers all got one and had to write something on an assigned chapter. I have also requested a copy of that.But the teacher were not too happy having to read the book...whereas I am excited about it. I was so

grateful to receive a copy. I guess it proves what someone said...we can give the teachers all kinds of information. ...but they most likely won't read it or all of it.Jan

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Re: Teaching AS child social skills. Have you noticed with our kids

their " inertia " in social settings? My 11 year is a sponge for knowledge (social

skill or otherwise) but will sit and doodle or draw as others socialize around

her. If I prompt her in social settings she actually looks relived that I

helped her interact. I know they

call this promote/fading. Do others see thse issues in their children?

Pam

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The ST would spend time in the classroom with my ds to prompt him to join in conversations or to ask questions. They put a small card on the top corner of his desk (taped) and it had directions like, "Ask a question". So the teacher could walk by and point at it and that was his prompt. I think you have to watch how it is implemented. When the ST did it, things seemed to go ok. But done right, it's a good idea. There were only two or three directions at a time and they were things he was practicing outside of class as well.

Roxanna

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Re: Teaching AS child social skills. Have you noticed with our kidstheir "inertia" in social settings? My 11 year is a sponge for knowledge (social skill or otherwise) but will sit and doodle or draw as others socialize around her. If I prompt her in social settings she actually looks relived that I helped her interact. I know they call this promote/fading. Do others see thse issues in their children? Pam

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> The ST would spend time in the classroom with my ds to prompt him to join in

conversations or to ask questions. They put a small card on the top corner of

his desk (taped) and it had directions like, " Ask a question " . So the teacher

could walk by and point at it and that was his prompt. I think you have to

watch how it is implemented. When the ST did it, things seemed to go ok. But

done right, it's a good idea. There were only two or three directions at a time

and they were things he was practicing outside of class as well.

I think this is really good. Much better than the usual " involve student in

classroom discussions " , which make it all the teacher's initiative and doesn't

necessarily teach the child to ask their own questions, just to use your

example. I wonder how you would do this with a jr/sr high student? You'd have

to find a way to prompt without the other students knowing.

Ruth

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Oh man,,,if i prompted my son...he would give me Dagger eyes...he thinks I embarrass him...I can't be around him when he is with his friends or at church. Even if I am talking ot the other kids...he gives me Nasty looks. He doesn't want to be embarrassed.

jan

Janice Rushen

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From: Roxanna <madideas@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Lavoie Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:52 AM

The ST would spend time in the classroom with my ds to prompt him to join in conversations or to ask questions. They put a small card on the top corner of his desk (taped) and it had directions like, "Ask a question". So the teacher could walk by and point at it and that was his prompt. I think you have to watch how it is implemented. When the ST did it, things seemed to go ok. But done right, it's a good idea. There were only two or three directions at a time and they were things he was practicing outside of class as well.

Roxanna

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Re: Teaching AS child social skills. Have you noticed with our kidstheir "inertia" in social settings? My 11 year is a sponge for knowledge (social skill or otherwise) but will sit and doodle or draw as others socialize around her. If I prompt her in social settings she actually looks relived that I helped her interact. I know they call this promote/fading. Do others see thse issues in their children? Pam

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Well, that was the goal - to prompt without making it very obvious that you were doing that. I think a good teacher could come up with ideas for prompting if he/she gave it some thought. In this case, the teacher moved around the room a lot anyway. So taping a paper on my ds's desk wouldn't cause a LOT of notice. Some, to be sure.

Also, we had them taking data as well. So they had to take tally marks every so often as to how often he would speak up in class. They couldn't just say, "Oh, he does fine" or "He asked a question last week." How many questions did he ask in that class? Does he require prompting every time? and on and on from there. Measurement is as important as implementation.

Roxanna

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>> The ST would spend time in the classroom with my ds to prompt him to join in conversations or to ask questions. They put a small card on the top corner of his desk (taped) and it had directions like, "Ask a question". So the teacher could walk by and point at it and that was his prompt. I think you have to watch how it is implemented. When the ST did it, things seemed to go ok. But done right, it's a good idea. There were only two or three directions at a time and they were things he was practicing outside of class as well. I think this is really good. Much better than the usual "involve student in classroom discussions", which make it all the teacher's initiative and doesn't necessarily teach the child to ask their own questions, just to use your example. I wonder how you would do this with a jr/sr high student? You'd have to find a way to prompt without the other students knowing.Ruth

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Well, THAT is typical teen behavior. Nobody wants their mother hanging around and telling them what to do. Heck, that's even something toddlers deal with. lol.

This was for in school participation. My ds would just as soon tune out of everything and even fall asleep a lot. He didn't pay a lot of attention to the material because he was smart and knew a lot about it anyway but also, he's autistic and didn't really care. So it was a challenge to find ways to get him to listen, pay attention even when he didn't want to and of course, not fall asleep in class. Teachers get a little wonky about that. lol. The teacher he had at the time took it personally.

If you can get them to interact in groups at school, it may well generalize to outside of school if presented in similar situations. My ds had a lot of specific training in social skills when he was younger so these things were like the icing on a cake really - finishing touches, trying to make him use what he knew. It is hard to teach these things "in the moment" which is when they are best learned...Right! With your ds, Jan, you might do better using Lavoie's "social autopsy" approach after something has gone wrong...like saying the wrong thing in church or something. Back him up and go over what happened. The problem is, he has to be a bit aware of what happened. I mean, I think it would be hard for some of these kids to grasp the problem because their perception is so different. My ds, for instance, would have trouble IDing the problem that occured or what was said that was inappropriate.

This past week we had an interesting incident where he went down to play and came home screaming and upset. This is not uncommon and therefore, he has always had "turn taking" activities and "how to lose without going ballistic" written in as skills to learn. And yet, here he is - 12 yo and still going a bit nutso when he loses. Well, I just realized it wasn't the losing that caused the problem. Duh! He gets upset when someone plays "unfairly" - or in his case, targets him to pick on during the game in an attempt to force him to lose.

So he really does know how to lose with good grace, he doesn't know how to handle someone who is picking on him or who has picked him as the weakest link to be gotten rid of first. And that is why he is upset. It's a fine line since when you play to win, you would target the weakest link as part of your strategy...so ugh, how to deal with that is rolling around my head this week.

Am I rambling here? lol. I feel like I am. Wht a long week I've had! ugh.

Roxanna

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Re: Teaching AS child social skills. Have you noticed with our kidstheir "inertia" in social settings? My 11 year is a sponge for knowledge (social skill or otherwise) but will sit and doodle or draw as others socialize around her. If I prompt her in social settings she actually looks relived that I helped her interact. I know they call this promote/fading. Do others see thse issues in their children? Pam

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> Well, that was the goal - to prompt without making it very obvious that you

were doing that. I think a good teacher could come up with ideas for prompting

if he/she gave it some thought. In this case, the teacher moved around the room

a lot anyway. So taping a paper on my ds's desk wouldn't cause a LOT of notice.

Some, to be sure.

>

> Also, we had them taking data as well. So they had to take tally marks every

so often as to how often he would speak up in class. They couldn't just say,

" Oh, he does fine " or " He asked a question last week. " How many questions did

he ask in that class? Does he require prompting every time? and on and on from

there. Measurement is as important as implementation.

Thanks, this gives me a good idea of what should happen with such an

accommodation. I can't imagine my son's school doing something like this for

him.

Ruth

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I have to say, they had never done this before my kid came along either. The ST was always reading up on new stuff and had great ideas to contribute. A lot came from her but also I attended a lot of conferences back then as well. I took a great conference once on how to take data and it was meant for teachers. Me and a friend sat there, the only parents and not teachers. But when we broke up into groups, we held our own very well. lol. It's not rocket science - it just takes someone with a little imagination. Of course, maybe your school limited imagination in the hiring process <g>. And also, I think there is a huge difference between what they will try in elementary vs. middle or high school. It's not that they can't. And I would think with more and more kids dx'd these days, they are going to be forced to. Eventually. It's hard being that first one though. So just hang in there and keep pushing.

Roxanna

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>> Well, that was the goal - to prompt without making it very obvious that you were doing that. I think a good teacher could come up with ideas for prompting if he/she gave it some thought. In this case, the teacher moved around the room a lot anyway. So taping a paper on my ds's desk wouldn't cause a LOT of notice. Some, to be sure. > > Also, we had them taking data as well. So they had to take tally marks every so often as to how often he would speak up in class. They couldn't just say, "Oh, he does fine" or "He asked a question last week." How many questions did he ask in that class? Does he require prompting every time? and on and on from there. Measurement is as important as implementation. Thanks, this gives me a good idea of what should happen with such an accommodation. I can't imagine my son's school doing something like this for him. :(Ruth

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