Jan, what do you think ?

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Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our children

(including my son) does some behaviors because they like the reaction

they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying his

sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting that

their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not

exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question is:

is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like to

know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these annoying

repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to do

that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was a

sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and

repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or something

else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to calm

down. etc...

So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he

likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what would

be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit that

has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.

LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this

made sense today. hehehe

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I don't really have an answer to your question, but you brought back

some memories I just had to share. When my grandson was little he

liked to throw the Christmas tree decorations on the kitchen floor.

I think partially because he liked the sound they made and partly

because he knew he could get a reaction out of his parents or

grandparents. We quickly switched to plastic bulbs. Our tree was

kinda' ugly for a couple of years, but he's outgrown it and we've

since gone back to glass decorations. He also liked to break eggs on

the kitchen floor. I'm assuming for the same reasons. Eggs are so

hard to clean up, so that was a little frustrating, but he's outgrown

that too. Oh, and he'd follow it with this evil little laugh every

time - he was just absolutely delighted, LOL!

Anyway, just had to share.

Viki H.

>

> Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our

children

> (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the

reaction

> they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying

his

> sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting

that

> their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not

> exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question

is:

> is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like

to

> know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these

annoying

> repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to

do

> that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was

a

> sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and

> repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or

something

> else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to

calm

> down. etc...

> So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he

> likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what

would

> be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit

that

> has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.

> LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this

> made sense today. hehehe

>

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ROFL , I guess we can laugh about it now since it passed and he outgrown it. I'm also laughing because I can think of many things like that. *smile* Rosevhutchison22167 <vhutchisoncoach@...> wrote: I don't really have an answer to your question, but you brought back some memories I just had to share. When my grandson was little he liked to throw the Christmas tree decorations on the kitchen floor. I think partially because he liked the sound they made and partly because he knew

he could get a reaction out of his parents or grandparents. We quickly switched to plastic bulbs. Our tree was kinda' ugly for a couple of years, but he's outgrown it and we've since gone back to glass decorations. He also liked to break eggs on the kitchen floor. I'm assuming for the same reasons. Eggs are so hard to clean up, so that was a little frustrating, but he's outgrown that too. Oh, and he'd follow it with this evil little laugh every time - he was just absolutely delighted, LOL!Anyway, just had to share.Viki H.>> Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our children > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the reaction > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes

annoying his > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting that > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question is: > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like to > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these annoying > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to do > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was a > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or something > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to calm > down. etc...> So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others.

what would > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit that > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > made sense today. hehehe>

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I am not sure what it is ...but I was so amazed he actually told me! But I do remember reading this book on ADHD and how kids if bored...will provoke a fight just for the action/excitment....and think that is what my son does at times....see how far he can push my buttons...So...now that I really know this...I think I can get a better handle on it....to me it doesn't seem to be any part of autism...but I could be wrong.

jan

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From: vhutchison22167 <vhutchisoncoach@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 3:16 PM

I don't really have an answer to your question, but you brought back some memories I just had to share. When my grandson was little he liked to throw the Christmas tree decorations on the kitchen floor. I think partially because he liked the sound they made and partly because he knew he could get a reaction out of his parents or grandparents. We quickly switched to plastic bulbs. Our tree was kinda' ugly for a couple of years, but he's outgrown it and we've since gone back to glass decorations. He also liked to break eggs on the kitchen floor. I'm assuming for the same reasons. Eggs are so hard to clean up, so that was a little frustrating, but he's outgrown that too. Oh, and he'd follow it with this evil little laugh every time - he was just absolutely delighted, LOL!Anyway, just had to share.Viki H.>> Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our children > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the reaction > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying his > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting that > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question is: > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like to > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these annoying > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to do > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was a > sensory related

issue that's causing him to be annoying and > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or something > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to calm > down. etc...> So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what would > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit that > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > made sense today. hehehe>

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Yes....that is the good part of AS....we can get a few good laughs ...especially when we look back at situations.....I guess this is what keeps us going ...plus the Love for our chldren of course.

Jan

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I don't really have an answer to your question, but you brought back some memories I just had to share. When my grandson was little he liked to throw the Christmas tree decorations on the kitchen floor. I think partially because he liked the sound they made and partly because he knew he could get a reaction out of his parents or grandparents. We quickly switched to plastic bulbs. Our tree was kinda' ugly for a couple of years, but he's outgrown it and we've since gone back to glass decorations. He also liked to break eggs on the kitchen floor. I'm assuming for the same reasons. Eggs are so hard to clean up, so that was a little frustrating, but he's outgrown that too. Oh, and he'd follow it with this evil little laugh every time - he was just absolutely delighted, LOL!Anyway, just had to share.Viki H.>> Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our children > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the reaction > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying his > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting that > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question is: > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like to > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these annoying > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to do > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was a > sensory related

issue that's causing him to be annoying and > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or something > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to calm > down. etc...> So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what would > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit that > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > made sense today. hehehe>

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I think you're right, Jan. This isn't about autism or Aspergers but just something kids do when they're bored. I think how you deal with it might have to be adjusted a little bit because of Aspergers, maybe an extra chance or two to stop before a consequence or something, but lots and lots of kids do this.

( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 3:16 PM

I don't really have an answer to your question, but you brought back some memories I just had to share. When my grandson was little he liked to throw the Christmas tree decorations on the kitchen floor. I think partially because he liked the sound they made and partly because he knew he could get a reaction out of his parents or grandparents. We quickly switched to plastic bulbs. Our tree was kinda' ugly for a couple of years, but he's outgrown it and we've since gone back to glass decorations. He also liked to break eggs on the kitchen floor. I'm assuming for the same reasons. Eggs are so hard to clean up, so that was a little frustrating, but he's outgrown that too. Oh, and he'd follow it with this evil little laugh every time - he was just absolutely delighted, LOL!Anyway, just had to share.Viki H.>> Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our children > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the reaction > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying his > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting that > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question is: > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like to > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these annoying > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to do > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it

was a > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or something > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to calm > down. etc...> So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what would > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit that > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > made sense today. hehehe>

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Jan, that's interesting. with my son, I felt it was the autism because once he starts, like with saying something over & over which is annoying, or doing the samething over and over which is also very annoying - he can't seem to stop himself. his psychiatrist that he was seeing at the time said to him " you have to tell your self to stop ". and ABA specialist said to him he can only repeat a behavior 3 times then you have to stop yourself. Yea !. He still does this. like in the store shopping, he has to touch everything. then I'll say - Don't touch anything on the shelf. he will go ---- touch, touch, touch, touch, all the way down the isle touching each item on the shelf. at that moment nothing I say will stop him. he's getting better with this now. in the car, he has to read a book. or it won't be a fun ride. he is just a kid that can't be bord. you

brought up an interesting topic.rushen janice <jrushen@...> wrote: I am not sure what it is ...but I was so amazed he actually told me! But I do remember reading this book on ADHD and how kids if bored...will provoke a fight just for the action/excitment....and think that is what my son does at times....see how far he can push my buttons...So...now that I really know this...I think I can get a better handle on it....to me it

doesn't seem to be any part of autism...but I could be wrong. jan Janice Rushen Mom, Mentor, Wife, Teacher, Advocate, Accountant, Maid, Taxi, Shopper, Bulletin Board Artist Nanny, Crafter, Therapist, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Daughter, Grand-daughter, Personal Care Aide, Student, Believer, and Giver. From: vhutchison22167 <vhutchisoncoachaol>Subject: ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 3:16 PM I don't really have an answer to your question, but you brought back some memories I just had to share. When my grandson was little he liked to throw the Christmas tree decorations on the kitchen floor. I think partially because he liked the sound they made and partly because he knew he could get a reaction out of his parents or grandparents. We quickly switched to plastic bulbs. Our tree was kinda' ugly for a couple of years, but he's outgrown it and we've since gone back to glass decorations. He also liked to break eggs on the kitchen floor. I'm assuming for the same reasons. Eggs are so hard to clean up, so that was a little

frustrating, but he's outgrown that too. Oh, and he'd follow it with this evil little laugh every time - he was just absolutely delighted, LOL!Anyway, just had to share.Viki H.>> Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our children > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the reaction > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying his > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting that > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question is: > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like to > know

this because maybe I would be better at stopping these annoying > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to do > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was a > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or something > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to calm > down. etc...> So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what would > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit that > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > made sense today.

hehehe>

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, N.T, kids too. MacAllister <smacalli@...> wrote: I think you're right, Jan. This isn't about autism or Aspergers but just something kids do when they're bored. I think how you deal with it might have to be adjusted a little bit because of Aspergers, maybe an extra chance or two to stop before a consequence or something, but lots and lots of kids do this. ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 3:16 PM I don't really have an answer to your question, but you brought back some memories I just had to share. When my grandson was little he liked to throw the Christmas tree decorations on the kitchen floor. I think partially because he liked the sound they made and partly because he knew he could get a reaction out of his parents or grandparents. We quickly switched to plastic bulbs. Our tree was kinda' ugly for a couple of years, but he's outgrown it and we've since gone back to glass decorations. He also liked to break eggs on the kitchen floor. I'm assuming for the same reasons. Eggs are so hard to clean up, so that was a little frustrating, but he's outgrown

that too. Oh, and he'd follow it with this evil little laugh every time - he was just absolutely delighted, LOL!Anyway, just had to share.Viki H.>> Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our children > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the reaction > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying his > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting that > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question is: > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like

to > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these annoying > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to do > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was a > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or something > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to calm > down. etc...> So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what would > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit that > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > made sense today.

hehehe>

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I think that is his OCD and I believe that is part of AS....my son has some of that qualitiy too....not the kind where things have to be perfect or neat or hand washing but he has to get the answer...if he doesn't understand something...he will drill you with all kinds of questions and don't try to stop him....it like he can't stop until he has it figured out in his head and once he understands then he can move on. He gets fustrated at this point when he doesn't understand and will not drop the subject.

The touching I think is part of his ocd....and maybe when you tell him don't touch..it reminds him of touching and so he starts and can't stop. I am not sure ....

What if when you go into a store ...you tell him he can only touch 3 things...and a couple of weeks later tell him he can touch only 2 and then 1 and then none. But don't all kids love to go in and touch. So I am not sure...if his OCD is overpowering him or he is just defying you. Can you tell?

But my son likes to start arguments....and that is what I was talking about. Or say he wants to go over to the neighbors house and it is 9 p.m. and I tell him no. Instead of accepting it ...he argues...and then it escalates ...so now that I know he likes this I am going to say NO and walk away. No more excitement for him HA HA...it does take 2 to argue ....I am learning slowly but luckily I am learning LOL!

Jan

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From: vhutchison22167 <vhutchisoncoach@ aol.com>Subject: ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 3:16 PM

I don't really have an answer to your question, but you brought back some memories I just had to share. When my grandson was little he liked to throw the Christmas tree decorations on the kitchen floor. I think partially because he liked the sound they made and partly because he knew he could get a reaction out of his parents or grandparents. We quickly switched to plastic bulbs. Our tree was kinda' ugly for a couple of years, but he's outgrown it and we've since gone back to glass decorations. He also liked to break eggs on the kitchen floor. I'm assuming for the same reasons. Eggs are so hard to clean up, so that was a little frustrating, but he's outgrown that too. Oh, and he'd follow it with this evil little laugh every time - he was just absolutely delighted, LOL!Anyway, just had to share.Viki H.>> Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our children > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the reaction > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying his > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting that > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question is: > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like to > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these annoying > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to do > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was a > sensory related

issue that's causing him to be annoying and > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or something > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to calm > down. etc...> So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what would > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit that > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > made sense today. hehehe>

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That sounds like OCD, yes?

RoxannaYou're UniqueJust like everyone else...

( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 3:16 PM

I don't really have an answer to your question, but you brought back some memories I just had to share. When my grandson was little he liked to throw the Christmas tree decorations on the kitchen floor. I think partially because he liked the sound they made and partly because he knew he could get a reaction out of his parents or grandparents. We quickly switched to plastic bulbs. Our tree was kinda' ugly for a couple of years, but he's outgrown it and we've since gone back to glass decorations. He also liked to break eggs on the kitchen floor. I'm assuming for the same reasons. Eggs are so hard to clean up, so that was a little frustrating, but he's outgrown that too. Oh, and he'd follow it with this evil little laugh every time - he was just absolutely delighted, LOL!Anyway, just had to share.Viki H.>> Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our children > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the reaction > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying his > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting that > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question is: > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like to > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these annoying > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to do > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was a > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or something > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to calm > down. etc...> So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what would > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit that > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > made sense today. hehehe>

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Yes...definitely....OCD!

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From: vhutchison22167 <vhutchisoncoach@ aol.com>Subject: ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 3:16 PM

I don't really have an answer to your question, but you brought back some memories I just had to share. When my grandson was little he liked to throw the Christmas tree decorations on the kitchen floor. I think partially because he liked the sound they made and partly because he knew he could get a reaction out of his parents or grandparents. We quickly switched to plastic bulbs. Our tree was kinda' ugly for a couple of years, but he's outgrown it and we've since gone back to glass decorations. He also liked to break eggs on the kitchen floor. I'm assuming for the same reasons. Eggs are so hard to clean up, so that was a little frustrating, but he's outgrown that too. Oh, and he'd follow it with this evil little laugh every time - he was just absolutely delighted, LOL!Anyway, just had to share.Viki H.>> Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our children > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the reaction > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying his > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting that > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question is: > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like to > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these annoying > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to do > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was a > sensory related

issue that's causing him to be annoying and > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or something > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to calm > down. etc...> So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what would > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit that > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > made sense today. hehehe>

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Hey Jan its ,

My son is very OCD and I believe the touching things and repeating

things over and over are due to OCD. My son will tell me something

and then have to say it two more times or else he cant continue with

what he was doing. He has to have everything in a certain order and

if its out of order he is quick to put it back and if you move

something on him he gets very upset. somedays he willbe on a washing

the hands kick and he will repeat it all day or he has to tell me

everytime he has to go to the bathroom and it I dont answer him he

has to keep repeating it until I acknowlege that I heard him. He

takes meds for this and the docs tell me it is definately OCD with

him. Hope this helps a little.

> >

> > Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our

> children

> > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the

> reaction

> > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying

> his

> > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are

posting

> that

> > their child found some interest in why they did what they did.

Not

> > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question

> is:

> > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like

> to

> > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these

> annoying

> > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him

to

> do

> > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was

> a

> > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and

> > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or

> something

> > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to

> calm

> > down. etc...

> > So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because

he

> > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what

> would

> > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit

> that

> > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.

> > LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope

this

> > made sense today. hehehe

> >

>

>

>

>

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Jan,

I was alway told by collins doctors that you cant treat the autisim

so you have to treat the symptoms and collins symptoms are OCD,

anxiety and ADHD. So we treat his symptoms with meds, and therapy,and

then for the autisim we use therapy and I had started biofeedback and

vitamins and whatever we do but I guess Im confused now. Do we treat

the autisim or the symptoms???

> >

> > Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our

> children

> > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the

> reaction

> > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying

> his

> > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are

posting

> that

> > their child found some interest in why they did what they did.

Not

> > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question

> is:

> > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like

> to

> > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these

> annoying

> > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him

to

> do

> > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was

> a

> > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and

> > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or

> something

> > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to

> calm

> > down. etc...

> > So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because

he

> > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what

> would

> > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit

> that

> > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.

> > LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope

this

> > made sense today. hehehe

> >

>

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Do you have a good link on OCD that you can recommend?Roxanna <madideas@...> wrote: That sounds like OCD, yes? RoxannaYou're UniqueJust like everyone else... ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 3:16 PM I don't really have an answer to your question, but you brought back some memories I just had to share. When my grandson was little he liked to throw the Christmas tree decorations on the kitchen floor. I think partially because he liked the sound they made and partly because he knew he could get a reaction out of his parents or grandparents. We quickly switched to plastic bulbs. Our tree was kinda' ugly for a couple of years, but he's outgrown it and we've since gone back to glass

decorations. He also liked to break eggs on the kitchen floor. I'm assuming for the same reasons. Eggs are so hard to clean up, so that was a little frustrating, but he's outgrown that too. Oh, and he'd follow it with this evil little laugh every time - he was just absolutely delighted, LOL!Anyway, just had to share.Viki H.>> Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our children > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the reaction > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying his > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting that > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > exact wording

but I hope you understand my point. Now my question is: > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like to > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these annoying > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to do > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was a > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or something > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to calm > down. etc...> So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what would > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit that > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> LOL, I'm typing this quickly

because I have to run. so I hope this > made sense today. hehehe> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM

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Oh I agree with you 100%....it is OCD. My son has a touch of it but not the type where things have to be neat or perfect or lined up a certain way. He doesnt' have to check things or count...none of that....his thing is if he doesn't understand a concept...he will keep asking and asking all kinds of questions about the topic until he finally gets it....and then he can move on.

OCD is difficult....and I think it must be hard on a child...I know the girl in school has all these rules in her head and she says girls have to be perfect....you wonder where they get all this.

Medicine definitely helps the ocd bit...as well as therapy....it must be so hard on Collin in school....

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From: gina <ginak1117@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 6:55 PM

Hey Jan its ,My son is very OCD and I believe the touching things and repeating things over and over are due to OCD. My son will tell me something and then have to say it two more times or else he cant continue with what he was doing. He has to have everything in a certain order and if its out of order he is quick to put it back and if you move something on him he gets very upset. somedays he willbe on a washing the hands kick and he will repeat it all day or he has to tell me everytime he has to go to the bathroom and it I dont answer him he has to keep repeating it until I acknowlege that I heard him. He takes meds for this and the docs tell me it is definately OCD with him. Hope this helps a little. > >> > Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our > children > > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the > reaction

> > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying > his > > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting > that > > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question > is: > > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like > to > > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these > annoying > > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to > do > > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was > a > > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or > something > > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a

timeout in his room to > calm > > down. etc...> > So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what > would > > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit > that > > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> > LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > > made sense today. hehehe> >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM>

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could it still be OCD if a child doesn't have the other concerns with the repeating of sayings. he doesn't have behaviors like washing his hands all day long, etc.. nor does he ever have to have things a certain way. if he likes a sentence, he'll say it all day, week, or longer. just because he doesn't have anything else to say at that time or is Bord. I'm thinking he finds it funny and he thinks everybody else finds it funny as well.gina <ginak1117@...> wrote: Hey Jan its ,My son is

very OCD and I believe the touching things and repeating things over and over are due to OCD. My son will tell me something and then have to say it two more times or else he cant continue with what he was doing. He has to have everything in a certain order and if its out of order he is quick to put it back and if you move something on him he gets very upset. somedays he willbe on a washing the hands kick and he will repeat it all day or he has to tell me everytime he has to go to the bathroom and it I dont answer him he has to keep repeating it until I acknowlege that I heard him. He takes meds for this and the docs tell me it is definately OCD with him. Hope this helps a little. > >> > Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our > children > > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the > reaction > > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying > his > > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting

> that > > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question > is: > > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like > to > > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these > annoying > > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to > do > > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was > a > > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or > something > > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to > calm > > down. etc...> > So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > > likes the reaction or sound, but it's

annoying to others. what > would > > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit > that > > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> > LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > > made sense today. hehehe> >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM>

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http://www.ocfoundation.org/ocd-in-children.html

http://www.massgeneral.org/schoolpsychiatry/info_ocd.asp

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( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 3:16 PM

I don't really have an answer to your question, but you brought back some memories I just had to share. When my grandson was little he liked to throw the Christmas tree decorations on the kitchen floor. I think partially because he liked the sound they made and partly because he knew he could get a reaction out of his parents or grandparents. We quickly switched to plastic bulbs. Our tree was kinda' ugly for a couple of years, but he's outgrown it and we've since gone back to glass decorations. He also liked to break eggs on the kitchen floor. I'm assuming for the same reasons. Eggs are so hard to clean up, so that was a little frustrating, but he's outgrown that too. Oh, and he'd follow it with this evil little laugh every time - he was just absolutely delighted, LOL!Anyway, just had to share.Viki H.>> Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our children > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the reaction > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying his > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting that > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question is: > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like to > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these annoying > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to do > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was a > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or something > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to calm > down. etc...> So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what would > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit that > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > made sense today. hehehe>

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Also look up "perseveration" --> http://www.autism-in-the-christian-home.com/perseveration.html

http://www.socialsmartkids.com/main/News.php?item=15

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Re: ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ?

could it still be OCD if a child doesn't have the other concerns with the repeating of sayings.

he doesn't have behaviors like washing his hands all day long, etc.. nor does he ever have to have things a certain way. if he likes a sentence, he'll say it all day, week, or longer. just because he doesn't have anything else to say at that time or is Bord. I'm thinking he finds it funny and he thinks everybody else finds it funny as well.gina <ginak1117att (DOT) net> wrote:

Hey Jan its ,My son is very OCD and I believe the touching things and repeating things over and over are due to OCD. My son will tell me something and then have to say it two more times or else he cant continue with what he was doing. He has to have everything in a certain order and if its out of order he is quick to put it back and if you move something on him he gets very upset. somedays he willbe on a washing the hands kick and he will repeat it all day or he has to tell me everytime he has to go to the bathroom and it I dont answer him he has to keep repeating it until I acknowlege that I heard him. He takes meds for this and the docs tell me it is definately OCD with him. Hope this helps a little. > >> > Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our > children > > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the > reaction > > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying > his > > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting > that > > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question > is: > > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like > to > > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these > annoying > > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to > do > > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was > a > > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or > something > > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to > calm > > down. etc...> > So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what > would > > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit > that > > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> > LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > > made sense today. hehehe> >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM>

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Roxanna, thanks so much for posting these two links. after reading all this information, this doesn't relate to my sons behavior at all. I do believe its more like his social skills teacher explained. due to his concern with expressive language. he doesn't know how to move on or change topics. He also gets Bord and is now learning how to start/ initiate a game. he doesn't have any of those other behaviors and couldn't care less about starting something and not finishing it. He doesn't care about germs even after I tell him not to scratch a bug bit with those nasty hands to wash them. Roxanna <madideas@...> wrote: http://www.ocfoundation.org/ocd-in-children.html http://www.massgeneral.org/schoolpsychiatry/info_ocd.asp RoxannaYou're UniqueJust like everyone else... -----

Original Message ----- From: Rose Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Do you have a good link on OCD that you can recommend?Roxanna <madideaszoominternet (DOT) net> wrote: That sounds like OCD, yes? RoxannaYou're UniqueJust like everyone else... ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 3:16 PM I don't really have an answer to your question, but you brought back some memories I just had to share. When my grandson was little he liked to throw the Christmas tree decorations on

the kitchen floor. I think partially because he liked the sound they made and partly because he knew he could get a reaction out of his parents or grandparents. We quickly switched to plastic bulbs. Our tree was kinda' ugly for a couple of years, but he's outgrown it and we've since gone back to glass decorations. He also liked to break eggs on the kitchen floor. I'm assuming for the same reasons. Eggs are so hard to clean up, so that was a little frustrating, but he's outgrown that too. Oh, and he'd follow it with this evil little laugh every time - he was just absolutely delighted, LOL!Anyway, just had to share.Viki H.>> Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our children > (including my son)

does some behaviors because they like the reaction > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying his > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting that > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question is: > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like to > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these annoying > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to do > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was a > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or something > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to calm > down. etc...> So, if a child

is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what would > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit that > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > made sense today. hehehe> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release

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Roxanna, this link relates more to what I'm seeing.... ***Third, the process may exhibit as a failure to alter inappropriate behavior into an appropriate behavior. For example, your child may often make annoying remarks to others knowing they will get into trouble, but he will be unable to change their comments. This condition may be easily confused with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. That is what he is doing. he gets it stuck into his head and repeats it all day long. do you like pigs ?, Hi, do you like pigs?. tapping on my arm, MOM, do you like pigs? WHO CARES ABOUT PIGS !!!!!!! today can be pigs, tomorrow something else. or he'll ask a question that I can't believe he'll ask.

He knows I HATE winter and snow. then on the coldest day, out from nowhere, he'll ask me if I would like to take a trip to the Antarctica. then when I don't answer him because HE knows I HATE the cold. he will repeat it. He knows my daughter HATES hot spicy foods and will offer her some hot sauce. She will say you know I hate hot sauce and he'll say: but do you want it. so she won't answer and he'll keep repeating it. I'll step in and say, why are you still repeating that question to her? and he'll say because she didn't answer. She said she doesn't like hot sauce and he'll say but she didn't answer when I asked do you want some. I said, her saying she doesn't like it is her answer. (he wanted her to say no). then the next day were eating dinner, he ask her if she wants hot sauce. if she decides to answer and say no, he'll ask why. after this happening over and over it gets

annoying. then I have to say - don't ever ask you sister if she wants hot sauce !. I won't mention about him asking about hot pepper. this is what I mean about him being annoying. I explained this to his skills teacher and he said to ask him if he wanted to talk about something. (besides spicy foods). Now one of his friends said to me, why does he keep asking me the same question over and over. that time it was do you like frogs. she said yes, and he'll say, HI, do you like frogs, she'll say yes, and he'll ask again. we talked about this while he was there and I explained to him - see it's annoying even to others. I'm hoping this behavior will stop before school starts. Roxanna <madideas@...> wrote: Also look up "perseveration" --> http://www.autism-in-the-christian-home.com/perseveration.html http://www.socialsmartkids.com/main/News.php?item=15 RoxannaYou're UniqueJust like everyone else... Re: ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? could it still be OCD if a child doesn't have the other concerns with the repeating of sayings. he doesn't have behaviors like washing his hands all day long, etc.. nor does he ever

have to have things a certain way. if he likes a sentence, he'll say it all day, week, or longer. just because he doesn't have anything else to say at that time or is Bord. I'm thinking he finds it funny and he thinks everybody else finds it funny as well.gina <ginak1117att (DOT) net> wrote: Hey Jan its ,My son is very OCD and I believe the touching things and repeating things over and over are due to OCD. My son will tell me something and then have to say it two more times or else he cant continue with what he was doing. He has to have everything in a certain order and if its out of order he is quick to put it back and if you move something on him he gets very upset. somedays he willbe on a washing the hands kick and he will repeat it all day or he has to tell me everytime he has to go to the

bathroom and it I dont answer him he has to keep repeating it until I acknowlege that I heard him. He takes meds for this and the docs tell me it is definately OCD with him. Hope this helps a little. > >> > Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our > children > > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the > reaction > > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying > his > > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are posting > that > > their child found some interest in why they did what they did. Not > > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question > is: > > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like > to > > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these > annoying > > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him to > do > > that everybody

can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was > a > > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or > something > > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to > calm > > down. etc...> > So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because he > > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what > would > > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit > that > > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> > LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope this > > made sense today. hehehe> >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com

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Hi Jan,

School is so very hard for collin, yet when I talk to him about home

schooling or going to a charter school he says no. I think its the

whole change thing, he cant deal well with change at all. Also to

answer your email about collins anxiety, he does take meds for it,

and he still is affected by it. I guess the meds help but dont take

it all away. I myself know what its like cause I have suffered on and

off from depression and severe anxiety where it was totally

dibilatating for me and I think it comes from dealing with being sick

all the time it can make you very depressed so I know what my little

boy goes through and its terrible to know he feels like that, I wish

I could take it for him but unfortunatley we cant do thati. I wish he

never ever had to deal with anxity again but I know he will deal with

it probably for the rest of his life and that sucks. Do you think it

will ever go away or do you think he will always deal with it?

Anxiety has been an issue ever since he was diagnosed with AS. docs

told me it was part of his dx. Do all AS kids deal with anxiety???

Well my boy is begging me to get off the computer and make him some

lunch so I better get going. talk to ya later,

gina

> > >

> > > Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our

> > children

> > > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the

> > reaction

> > > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes

annoying

> > his

> > > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are

> posting

> > that

> > > their child found some interest in why they did what they did.

> Not

> > > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my

question

> > is:

> > > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just

like

> > to

> > > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these

> > annoying

> > > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for

him

> to

> > do

> > > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it

was

> > a

> > > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and

> > > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or

> > something

> > > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to

> > calm

> > > down. etc...

> > > So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive

because

> he

> > > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what

> > would

> > > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad

habit

> > that

> > > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.

> > > LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope

> this

> > > made sense today. hehehe

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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,

If he is still having high anxiety then maybe he is not on the right dosage. But, I do believe he can over come it. I really do. has it too! And, I suffer from depression ...in fact it has been so bad this summer...we have not done anything...I find it hard to get out of bed...and I just want the world to leave me alone....I think I could stay home and never go out again. I know this is not good for me or for david. School is 3 weeks away and I think that will help me....

Some amount of anxiety is okay...but if it begins to get in the way of life...then it is no good. What other medicine is he on? takes adderall, Xanxa, Prozac and claritin. The doctor just gave him some medicine to help make him calm at night to go to sleep....he gave me free trial sample pack to try. He also wants me not to give the anxiety medicine every day unless he feels he needs it....I had been giving david the wrong amount of prozac...only 1 pill when I was suppose to give him 2. I realized this about a month ago and boy what a difference it make when I gave him 2.

I do need to get on a sleep schedule but it is so hard when all his friends are up playing Xbox live....ugh...life sucks somes days....

I will write more later and tell you the name of the medicine the doctor gave me. I go to the doctor on Thurs night....

Jan

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From: gina <ginak1117@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 12:27 PM

Hi Jan,School is so very hard for collin, yet when I talk to him about home schooling or going to a charter school he says no. I think its the whole change thing, he cant deal well with change at all. Also to answer your email about collins anxiety, he does take meds for it, and he still is affected by it. I guess the meds help but dont take it all away. I myself know what its like cause I have suffered on and off from depression and severe anxiety where it was totally dibilatating for me and I think it comes from dealing with being sick all the time it can make you very depressed so I know what my little boy goes through and its terrible to know he feels like that, I wish I could take it for him but unfortunatley we cant do thati. I wish he never ever had to deal with anxity again but I know he will deal with it probably for the rest of his life and that sucks. Do you think it will ever go

away or do you think he will always deal with it? Anxiety has been an issue ever since he was diagnosed with AS. docs told me it was part of his dx. Do all AS kids deal with anxiety??? Well my boy is begging me to get off the computer and make him some lunch so I better get going. talk to ya later, gina> > >> > > Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our > > children > > > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the > > reaction > > > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying > > his > > > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are > posting > > that > > > their child found some interest in why they did what they did.

> Not > > > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question > > is: > > > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like > > to > > > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these > > annoying > > > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him > to > > do > > > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was > > a > > > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > > > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or > > something > > > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to > > calm > > > down. etc...> > > So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because > he

> > > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what > > would > > > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit > > that > > > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> > > LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope > this > > > made sense today. hehehe> > >> > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: > 8/9/2008 1:22 PM> >>

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Jan,I am diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Summer is a depressing time for me. I think it is because I am a teacher and I am off in the summer. The boys are home, too, and our schedule is messed up. I have never been good at keeping a schedule if I have no place to go. Sent from my iPhoneBlessings, DonnaOn Aug 11, 2008, at 4:03 PM, rushen janice <jrushen@...> wrote:

,

If he is still having high anxiety then maybe he is not on the right dosage. But, I do believe he can over come it. I really do. has it too! And, I suffer from depression ...in fact it has been so bad this summer...we have not done anything...I find it hard to get out of bed...and I just want the world to leave me alone....I think I could stay home and never go out again. I know this is not good for me or for david. School is 3 weeks away and I think that will help me....

Some amount of anxiety is okay...but if it begins to get in the way of life...then it is no good. What other medicine is he on? takes adderall, Xanxa, Prozac and claritin. The doctor just gave him some medicine to help make him calm at night to go to sleep....he gave me free trial sample pack to try. He also wants me not to give the anxiety medicine every day unless he feels he needs it....I had been giving david the wrong amount of prozac...only 1 pill when I was suppose to give him 2. I realized this about a month ago and boy what a difference it make when I gave him 2.

I do need to get on a sleep schedule but it is so hard when all his friends are up playing Xbox live....ugh...life sucks somes days....

I will write more later and tell you the name of the medicine the doctor gave me. I go to the doctor on Thurs night....

Jan

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From: gina <ginak1117att (DOT) net>Subject: ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 12:27 PM

Hi Jan,School is so very hard for collin, yet when I talk to him about home schooling or going to a charter school he says no. I think its the whole change thing, he cant deal well with change at all. Also to answer your email about collins anxiety, he does take meds for it, and he still is affected by it. I guess the meds help but dont take it all away. I myself know what its like cause I have suffered on and off from depression and severe anxiety where it was totally dibilatating for me and I think it comes from dealing with being sick all the time it can make you very depressed so I know what my little boy goes through and its terrible to know he feels like that, I wish I could take it for him but unfortunatley we cant do thati. I wish he never ever had to deal with anxity again but I know he will deal with it probably for the rest of his life and that sucks. Do you think it will ever go

away or do you think he will always deal with it? Anxiety has been an issue ever since he was diagnosed with AS. docs told me it was part of his dx. Do all AS kids deal with anxiety??? Well my boy is begging me to get off the computer and make him some lunch so I better get going. talk to ya later, gina> > >> > > Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our > > children > > > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the > > reaction > > > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying > > his > > > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are > posting > > that > > > their child found some interest in why they did what they did.

> Not > > > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question > > is: > > > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like > > to > > > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these > > annoying > > > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him > to > > do > > > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was > > a > > > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > > > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or > > something > > > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to > > calm > > > down. etc...> > > So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because > he

> > > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what > > would > > > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit > > that > > > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> > > LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope > this > > > made sense today. hehehe> > >> > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: > 8/9/2008 1:22 PM> >>

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Yeah I thought I would get so much done being off this summer...but no...not a darn thing. I think I am still morning Poppy's death and trying to recharge....and it is hard to because my son doesn't want to go to the pool and he likes hanging out at home and I think it depresses me even more. I guess I really need people around me. I am in a ways looking forward to school but not with the battles to do homework, reports etc.

thanks for the support...I needed it....I thought I would enjoy this time off but I haven't. I just don't have the get up and go that I need to get anything done.

Jan

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From: gina <ginak1117att (DOT) net>Subject: ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 12:27 PM

Hi Jan,School is so very hard for collin, yet when I talk to him about home schooling or going to a charter school he says no. I think its the whole change thing, he cant deal well with change at all. Also to answer your email about collins anxiety, he does take meds for it, and he still is affected by it. I guess the meds help but dont take it all away. I myself know what its like cause I have suffered on and off from depression and severe anxiety where it was totally dibilatating for me and I think it comes from dealing with being sick all the time it can make you very depressed so I know what my little boy goes through and its terrible to know he feels like that, I wish I could take it for him but unfortunatley we cant do thati. I wish he never ever had to deal with anxity again but I know he will deal with it probably for the rest of his life and that sucks. Do you think it will ever go

away or do you think he will always deal with it? Anxiety has been an issue ever since he was diagnosed with AS. docs told me it was part of his dx. Do all AS kids deal with anxiety??? Well my boy is begging me to get off the computer and make him some lunch so I better get going. talk to ya later, gina> > >> > > Jan, I read from you and a few others about finding out our > > children > > > (including my son) does some behaviors because they like the > > reaction > > > they get from the parents or like with my son, he likes annoying > > his > > > sister because he likes hearing her scream. but others are > posting > > that > > > their child found some interest in why they did what they did.

> Not > > > exact wording but I hope you understand my point. Now my question > > is: > > > is this autism, behavior,sensory, or other ?... I would just like > > to > > > know this because maybe I would be better at stopping these > > annoying > > > repetitive behaviors and giving him better/accepted ones for him > to > > do > > > that everybody can enjoy. does that make sense ?. like if it was > > a > > > sensory related issue that's causing him to be annoying and > > > repetitive. I can teach him to go jump on the trampoline or > > something > > > else related. if its behavioral, maybe a timeout in his room to > > calm > > > down. etc...> > > So, if a child is doing something annoying or repetitive because > he

> > > likes the reaction or sound, but it's annoying to others. what > > would > > > be the alternative ?. I guess I'm thinking of it like a bad habit > > that > > > has to be replaced with a better appropriate habit.> > > LOL, I'm typing this quickly because I have to run. so I hope > this > > > made sense today. hehehe> > >> > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release Date: > 8/9/2008 1:22 PM> >>

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Yeah I thought I would get so much done being off this summer...but no...not a darn thing. I think I am still morning Poppy's death and trying to recharge....and it is hard to because my son doesn't want to go to the pool and he likes hanging out at home and I think it depresses me even more. I guess I really need people around me. I am in a ways looking forward to school but not with the battles to do homework, reports etc.

thanks for the support...I needed it....I thought I would enjoy this time off but I haven't. I just don't have the get up and go that I need to get anything done.

Jan

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From: gina <ginak1117att (DOT) net>Subject: ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ? Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 12:27 PM

Hi Jan,School is so very hard for collin, yet when I talk to him about home schooling or going to a charter school he says no. I think its the whole change thing, he cant deal well with change at all. Also to answer your email about collins anxiety, he does take meds for it, and he still is affected by it. I guess the meds help but dont take it all away. I myself know what its like cause I have suffered on and off from depression and severe anxiety where it was totally dibilatating for me and I think it comes from dealing with being sick all the time it can make you very depressed so I know what my little boy goes through and its terrible to know he feels like that, I wish I could take it for him but unfortunatley we cant do thati. I wish he never ever had to deal with anxity again but I know he will deal with it probably for the rest of his life and that sucks. Do you think it will ever go

away or do you think he will always deal with it? Anxiety has been an issue ever since he was diagnosed with AS. docs told me it was part of his dx. Do all AS kids deal with anxiety??? Well my boy is begging me to get off the computer and make him some lunch so I better get going. talk to ya later, gina> > > > From: Roxanna <madideas@ .>> > Subject: Re: ( ) Re: Jan, what do you think ?> > > > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 2:02 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That sounds

like OCD, yes?> > > > Roxanna> > You're Unique> > Just like everyone else...> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >