Re: Re: Miserable couple of days...

April 15, 2009

Again, Sue, thanks for the full

perspective! Its nice to be able to clearly thing about all the pros and cons.

I had thought about pre-existing conditions/health insurance “labels”

but not the military. I am just so grateful for your (and everyone’s)

feedback about considerations like this

So it sounds like if one DOES go the med

route, ADD meds are more effective than simply anxiety/OCD…?

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of carolynsuelowerychattanooga

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009

7:04 AM

Subject: ( ) Re:

Miserable couple of days...

DS, 24, has been on ADD type meds since he was 9 or

10. This weekend he was home from JobCorps and even though he insisted he took his

meds (to get us off his back!) we kept asking all day if he was sure because he

was so annoying! It is very subtle with him but DH and I could both tell that

he was different. By the end of the day, he 'fessed up that he had left them at

school. The next afternoon he found them, in suitcase and what a difference

after he took them! We have seen more affect since he's older. THe meds works

better, plus he can tell you how he feels a lot better. He functions better,

but it is different in every child. He is on Vyvanse now. His physician also

takes it, so I feel she can certainly relate.

Now we are up against the fact that they won't let you in the military if you

have taken ADD type meds within past year...even though they give those same

drugs to their pilots and some others for alertness. So, DS will not be able to

join, something he would dearly like to do.

Sue in TN

>

> Hi

>

> Thanks so much for sharing!

>

> We have an appt on the 21st (long time waiting) and I had been on the

fence

> for a long time about medication. I've finally decided its what we want,

> but reading something like this really helps drive that home!

>

> Wish us luck!

>

> Lori

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of O'Brien

> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:13 PM

>

> Subject: ( ) Miserable couple of days...

>

> I screwed up.

>

> I thought we had a week left of my sons Concerta, and we didn't. I ran out

> on the weekend, and of course the dr's office was closed Saturday, Sunday

> AND Monday. So three days without medication for my son, for the first

time

> since he started taking it over a year ago.

>

> I thought. ok. This should be interesting. It was FAR from interesting

It

> was MISERABLE !!!

>

> He was miserable. He told me he couldn't listen to me because he couldn't

> hear me. too many other noises. As the days went on, he got worse. I

> realized that not only has the Concerta helped his " ADHD " type

symptoms, but

> WOW has it helped in other areas too. Stimming is one area. For him, it's

> ALWAYS been echolalia. From Kindergarten, there was always the comments

from

> teachers about " nonsense noises " . Well my boy has been making

them NON STOP

> for the last three days. And it took that to show me how LITTLE he's been

> doing it while TAKING the Concerta. Another area? He has been so LIPPY the

> last few days Really, really terrible. Completely no thought about

anyone

> else but himself, and up to this point, he's actually been making huge

> efforts to be concerned about others, etc. But today? My gosh. we went into

> the DR to get a prescription refill (PHEW!) and every time the DR would

say

> something, he'd " talk back " to him. Thankfully, our dr is

wonderful and just

> laughed it off. but I was quite honestly shocked. And another thing I was?

> Completely scared, and lost Despite the research I've done, I realized

> how much that medication has helped him and continues to help him, and I

> don't know that we could focus on helping my son with all his other areas

of

> struggle without it. I hate giving it to him, but I can't deny that it

> helps. He told me. " Mom, my brain is just spinning too fast. "

and

> " Everything is too hard, too confusing, and too scary! " I

also learned

> that I have MUCH to learn when it comes to AS and how to help him. We will

> be waiting a long time for that DX, but I need to know how to help him

NOW!

> Oy.

>

> To make the last few days even worse, my youngest broke his elbow. The

boys

> were playing, beautifully actually, driving their cars around. They'd

> decided that underneath my bed was a " Garage " . I was thrilled to

see their

> creativity, esp. my eldest, because that's not a strength for him when it

> come to play. He was even letting his little brother come up with a few

> ideas, and that's not something that EVER happens lol. Anyway. all of a

> sudden I heard this blood curdling scream. Apparently my youngest was

under

> the bed, with his arms up on the bed, and my eldest was on top of the bed.

> He moved over, and it pushed my boy's arm down with a twist to the side, and

> he told us it " cracked " . It was one of those things that neither

of them

> planned, or had any control over. It was a complete accident.

>

> WELL my eldest, he lost it. When I went to help my youngest out from under

> the bed, he was SCREAMING, and my eldest was on the floor looking under

the

> bed, frozen like a deer in headlights. He had NO idea what to do. After we

> checked my youngest out, and realized we had to take him to the DR, my

> eldest was running around the house, crying, angry. lashing out. I tried

to

> talk to him and he kept pushing me away (SO not like him. esp. with me.

> Normally he'll push others away, but NEVER me!). He said " I am going

to kill

> myself " I finally helped him calm down, and figured out that he

thought

> he was somehow responsible for what happened to his little brother. It

took

> me FOREVER to convince him that it was JUST an accident, and it wasn't

> anything he did. I was quite shocked by his response. but given that he

> hasn't been taking his medication, I guess I'm not AS surprised, because

he

> was SO quick to negativity before medications, too. Never that severe.

that

> really scared me

>

> I am trying to remind myself that a GOOD chunk of this is just the

shocking

> " cold turkey " of it all for him. His body had gotten used to it.

And if I've

> ever had my doubts about giving him medication, and it being the right

thing

> for him, but I can't question it anymore. I don't care about how he

behaves,

> and if it makes things easier for me, etc. I love him no matter what. But

it

> REALLY does make things easier for HIM!!!

>

> MAN it's been a long few days I'm gonna go have a rum and put my feet

up

> lol.

>

> =)

>

April 15, 2009

For my son, ADHD meds were the way to go b/c he needed help focusing in school. He's struggled w/ being very impulsive for a long time. I think the meds help him stop, even briefly, before he responds at school. He has improved a lot on this when he's not on the meds outside of school, but the environment is totally different. The sounds, people, stress, etc... at school make the meds necessary. Although my son obviously struggles w/ anxiety at times, we chose the ADHD meds route b/c they've historically had more tests done for short- and long-term side effects than meds for anxiety and children. We also had an unfortunate experience w/ an anxiety med when he was 8 so that pretty much closed the door on those meds for us. In lieu of meds, we've implemented a sensory diet for my son both at school (on occasion) and at home (frequently used) and that seems

to help decrease the anxiety naturally.

"Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out."

From: Lori Lashley <LLashley@...> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:30:42 AMSubject: RE: ( ) Re: Miserable couple of days...

Again, Sue, thanks for the full perspective! Its nice to be able to clearly thing about all the pros and cons. I had thought about pre-existing conditions/health insurance â€œlabelsâ€ but not the military. I am just so grateful for your (and everyoneâ€™s) feedback about considerations like this

So it sounds like if one DOES go the med route, ADD meds are more effective than simply anxiety/OCDâ€¦?

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of carolynsuelowerycha ttanoogaSent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:04 AM Subject: ( ) Re: Miserable couple of days...

DS, 24, has been on ADD type meds since he was 9 or 10. This weekend he was home from JobCorps and even though he insisted he took his meds (to get us off his back!) we kept asking all day if he was sure because he was so annoying! It is very subtle with him but DH and I could both tell that he was different. By the end of the day, he 'fessed up that he had left them at school. The next afternoon he found them, in suitcase and what a difference after he took them! We have seen more affect since he's older. THe meds works better, plus he can tell you how he feels a lot better. He functions better, but it is different in every child. He is on Vyvanse now. His physician also takes it, so I feel she can certainly relate.Now we are up against the fact that they won't let you in the military if you have taken ADD type meds within past year...even though they give those same drugs to

their pilots and some others for alertness. So, DS will not be able to join, something he would dearly like to do.Sue in TN>> Hi > > > > Thanks so much for sharing!> > > > We have an appt on the 21st (long time waiting) and I had been on the fence> for a long time about medication. I've finally decided its what we want,> but reading something like this really helps drive that home!> > > > Wish us luck!> > > > Lori > > > > _____ > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of O'Brien> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:13 PM> > Subject: ( ) Miserable couple of days...> > > > > > > > > I screwed up.> > > > I thought we had a week left of my sons Concerta, and we didn't. I ran out> on the weekend, and of course the dr's office was closed Saturday, Sunday> AND Monday. So three days without medication for my son, for the first

time> since he started taking it over a year ago.> > > > I thought. ok. This should be interesting. It was FAR from interesting It> was MISERABLE !!!> > > > He was miserable. He told me he couldn't listen to me because he couldn't> hear me. too many other noises. As the days went on, he got worse. I> realized that not only has the Concerta helped his "ADHD" type symptoms, but> WOW has it helped in other areas too. Stimming is one area. For him, it's> ALWAYS been echolalia. From Kindergarten, there was always the comments from> teachers about "nonsense noises". Well my boy has been making them NON STOP> for the last three days. And it took that to show me how LITTLE he's been> doing it while TAKING the Concerta. Another area? He has been so LIPPY the> last few days Really, really terrible. Completely no thought about

anyone> else but himself, and up to this point, he's actually been making huge> efforts to be concerned about others, etc. But today? My gosh. we went into> the DR to get a prescription refill (PHEW!) and every time the DR would say> something, he'd "talk back" to him. Thankfully, our dr is wonderful and just> laughed it off. but I was quite honestly shocked. And another thing I was?> Completely scared, and lost Despite the research I've done, I realized> how much that medication has helped him and continues to help him, and I> don't know that we could focus on helping my son with all his other areas of> struggle without it. I hate giving it to him, but I can't deny that it> helps. He told me. "Mom, my brain is just spinning too fast." and> "Everything is too hard, too confusing, and too scary!" I also learned> that I have MUCH to learn when it comes to AS and how

to help him. We will> be waiting a long time for that DX, but I need to know how to help him NOW!> Oy.> > > > To make the last few days even worse, my youngest broke his elbow. The boys> were playing, beautifully actually, driving their cars around. They'd> decided that underneath my bed was a "Garage". I was thrilled to see their> creativity, esp. my eldest, because that's not a strength for him when it> come to play. He was even letting his little brother come up with a few> ideas, and that's not something that EVER happens lol. Anyway. all of a> sudden I heard this blood curdling scream. Apparently my youngest was under> the bed, with his arms up on the bed, and my eldest was on top of the bed.> He moved over, and it pushed my boy's arm down with a twist to the side, and> he told us it "cracked". It was one of those things that neither of

them> planned, or had any control over. It was a complete accident. > > > > WELL my eldest, he lost it. When I went to help my youngest out from under> the bed, he was SCREAMING, and my eldest was on the floor looking under the> bed, frozen like a deer in headlights. He had NO idea what to do. After we> checked my youngest out, and realized we had to take him to the DR, my> eldest was running around the house, crying, angry. lashing out. I tried to> talk to him and he kept pushing me away (SO not like him. esp. with me.> Normally he'll push others away, but NEVER me!). He said "I am going to kill> myself" I finally helped him calm down, and figured out that he thought> he was somehow responsible for what happened to his little brother. It took> me FOREVER to convince him that it was JUST an accident, and it wasn't> anything he did. I was quite

shocked by his response. but given that he> hasn't been taking his medication, I guess I'm not AS surprised, because he> was SO quick to negativity before medications, too. Never that severe. that> really scared me > > > > I am trying to remind myself that a GOOD chunk of this is just the shocking> "cold turkey" of it all for him. His body had gotten used to it. And if I've> ever had my doubts about giving him medication, and it being the right thing> for him, but I can't question it anymore. I don't care about how he behaves,> and if it makes things easier for me, etc. I love him no matter what. But it> REALLY does make things easier for HIM!!!> > > > MAN it's been a long few days I'm gonna go have a rum and put my feet up> lol.> > > >

=)>

April 15, 2009

My son who is now 19 has taken concerta since he was in the 6th grade. One time when we were going on vacation, we left without his meds and didn't realize it until we were a couple of hours down the road. We never made that mistake again! Our Tyler talks uncontrollable and is very flighty and extremely impulsive. He, too was rejected from the military which he wanted very much. Another thing to be aware of is that ADHD is a prediagnosed condition and we cannot get health insurance on him.

Lori

mother of Tyler:ADHD

Korby:ODD

aunt of Cole:AS

From: MacAllister <smacalli@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Re: Miserable couple of days... Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 10:47 AM

For my son, ADHD meds were the way to go b/c he needed help focusing in school. He's struggled w/ being very impulsive for a long time. I think the meds help him stop, even briefly, before he responds at school. He has improved a lot on this when he's not on the meds outside of school, but the environment is totally different. The sounds, people, stress, etc... at school make the meds necessary. Although my son obviously struggles w/ anxiety at times, we chose the ADHD meds route b/c they've historically had more tests done for short- and long-term side effects than meds for anxiety and children. We also had an unfortunate experience w/ an anxiety med when he was 8 so that pretty much closed the door on those meds for us. In lieu of meds, we've implemented a sensory diet for my son both at school (on occasion) and at home (frequently used) and that seems

to help decrease the anxiety naturally.

"Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out."

From: Lori Lashley <LLashley@...> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:30:42 AMSubject: RE: ( ) Re: Miserable couple of days...

Again, Sue, thanks for the full perspective! Its nice to be able to clearly thing about all the pros and cons. I had thought about pre-existing conditions/health insurance â€œlabelsâ€ but not the military. I am just so grateful for your (and everyoneâ€™s) feedback about considerations like this

So it sounds like if one DOES go the med route, ADD meds are more effective than simply anxiety/OCDâ€¦?

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of carolynsuelowerycha ttanoogaSent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:04 AM Subject: ( ) Re: Miserable couple of days...

DS, 24, has been on ADD type meds since he was 9 or 10. This weekend he was home from JobCorps and even though he insisted he took his meds (to get us off his back!) we kept asking all day if he was sure because he was so annoying! It is very subtle with him but DH and I could both tell that he was different. By the end of the day, he 'fessed up that he had left them at school. The next afternoon he found them, in suitcase and what a difference after he took them! We have seen more affect since he's older. THe meds works better, plus he can tell you how he feels a lot better. He functions better, but it is different in every child. He is on Vyvanse now. His physician also takes it, so I feel she can certainly relate.Now we are up against the fact that they won't let you in the military if you have taken ADD type meds within past year...even though they give those same drugs to

their pilots and some others for alertness. So, DS will not be able to join, something he would dearly like to do.Sue in TN>> Hi > > > > Thanks so much for sharing!> > > > We have an appt on the 21st (long time waiting) and I had been on the fence> for a long time about medication. I've finally decided its what we want,> but reading something like this really helps drive that home!> > > > Wish us luck!> > > > Lori > > > > _____ > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of O'Brien> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:13 PM> > Subject: ( ) Miserable couple of days...> > > > > > > > > I screwed up.> > > > I thought we had a week left of my sons Concerta,

and we didn't. I ran out> on the weekend, and of course the dr's office was closed Saturday, Sunday> AND Monday. So three days without medication for my son, for the first time> since he started taking it over a year ago.> > > > I thought. ok. This should be interesting. It was FAR from interesting It> was MISERABLE !!!> > > > He was miserable. He told me he couldn't listen to me because he couldn't> hear me. too many other noises. As the days went on, he got worse. I> realized that not only has the Concerta helped his "ADHD" type symptoms, but> WOW has it helped in other areas too. Stimming is one area. For him, it's> ALWAYS been echolalia. From Kindergarten, there was always the comments from> teachers about "nonsense noises". Well my boy has been making them NON STOP> for the last three days. And it took that to show me how

LITTLE he's been> doing it while TAKING the Concerta. Another area? He has been so LIPPY the> last few days Really, really terrible. Completely no thought about anyone> else but himself, and up to this point, he's actually been making huge> efforts to be concerned about others, etc. But today? My gosh. we went into> the DR to get a prescription refill (PHEW!) and every time the DR would say> something, he'd "talk back" to him. Thankfully, our dr is wonderful and just> laughed it off. but I was quite honestly shocked. And another thing I was?> Completely scared, and lost Despite the research I've done, I realized> how much that medication has helped him and continues to help him, and I> don't know that we could focus on helping my son with all his other areas of> struggle without it. I hate giving it to him, but I can't deny that it> helps. He told me. "Mom, my

brain is just spinning too fast." and> "Everything is too hard, too confusing, and too scary!" I also learned> that I have MUCH to learn when it comes to AS and how to help him. We will> be waiting a long time for that DX, but I need to know how to help him NOW!> Oy.> > > > To make the last few days even worse, my youngest broke his elbow. The boys> were playing, beautifully actually, driving their cars around. They'd> decided that underneath my bed was a "Garage". I was thrilled to see their> creativity, esp. my eldest, because that's not a strength for him when it> come to play. He was even letting his little brother come up with a few> ideas, and that's not something that EVER happens lol. Anyway. all of a> sudden I heard this blood curdling scream. Apparently my youngest was under> the bed, with his arms up on the bed, and my eldest was on top

of the bed.> He moved over, and it pushed my boy's arm down with a twist to the side, and> he told us it "cracked". It was one of those things that neither of them> planned, or had any control over. It was a complete accident. > > > > WELL my eldest, he lost it. When I went to help my youngest out from under> the bed, he was SCREAMING, and my eldest was on the floor looking under the> bed, frozen like a deer in headlights. He had NO idea what to do. After we> checked my youngest out, and realized we had to take him to the DR, my> eldest was running around the house, crying, angry. lashing out. I tried to> talk to him and he kept pushing me away (SO not like him. esp. with me.> Normally he'll push others away, but NEVER me!). He said "I am going to kill> myself" I finally helped him calm down, and figured out that he thought> he was somehow

responsible for what happened to his little brother. It took> me FOREVER to convince him that it was JUST an accident, and it wasn't> anything he did. I was quite shocked by his response. but given that he> hasn't been taking his medication, I guess I'm not AS surprised, because he> was SO quick to negativity before medications, too. Never that severe. that> really scared me > > > > I am trying to remind myself that a GOOD chunk of this is just the shocking> "cold turkey" of it all for him. His body had gotten used to it. And if I've> ever had my doubts about giving him medication, and it being the right thing> for him, but I can't question it anymore. I don't care about how he behaves,> and if it makes things easier for me, etc. I love him no matter what. But it> REALLY does make things easier for HIM!!!> > > > MAN it's been a

long few days I'm gonna go have a rum and put my feet up> lol.> > > > =)>

April 15, 2009

I've never had problems with insurance for Dylan?

"Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out."

From: lori jennings <lozzy3us@...> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:34:09 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Re: Miserable couple of days...

My son who is now 19 has taken concerta since he was in the 6th grade. One time when we were going on vacation, we left without his meds and didn't realize it until we were a couple of hours down the road. We never made that mistake again! Our Tyler talks uncontrollable and is very flighty and extremely impulsive. He, too was rejected from the military which he wanted very much. Another thing to be aware of is that ADHD is a prediagnosed condition and we cannot get health insurance on him.

Lori

mother of Tyler:ADHD

Korby:ODD

aunt of Cole:AS

From: MacAllister <smacalli (DOT) com>Subject: Re: ( ) Re: Miserable couple of days... Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 10:47 AM

For my son, ADHD meds were the way to go b/c he needed help focusing in school. He's struggled w/ being very impulsive for a long time. I think the meds help him stop, even briefly, before he responds at school. He has improved a lot on this when he's not on the meds outside of school, but the environment is totally different. The sounds, people, stress, etc... at school make the meds necessary. Although my son obviously struggles w/ anxiety at times, we chose the ADHD meds route b/c they've historically had more tests done for short- and long-term side effects than meds for anxiety and children. We also had an unfortunate experience w/ an anxiety med when he was 8 so that pretty much closed the door on those meds for us. In lieu of meds, we've implemented a sensory diet for my son both at school (on occasion) and at home (frequently used) and that seems

to help decrease the anxiety naturally.

"Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out."

From: Lori Lashley <LLashley@conditanda ssoc.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:30:42 AMSubject: RE: ( ) Re: Miserable couple of days...

Again, Sue, thanks for the full perspective! Its nice to be able to clearly thing about all the pros and cons. I had thought about pre-existing conditions/health insurance â€œlabelsâ€ but not the military. I am just so grateful for your (and everyoneâ€™s) feedback about considerations like this

So it sounds like if one DOES go the med route, ADD meds are more effective than simply anxiety/OCDâ€¦?

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of carolynsuelowerycha ttanoogaSent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:04 AM Subject: ( ) Re: Miserable couple of days...

DS, 24, has been on ADD type meds since he was 9 or 10. This weekend he was home from JobCorps and even though he insisted he took his meds (to get us off his back!) we kept asking all day if he was sure because he was so annoying! It is very subtle with him but DH and I could both tell that he was different. By the end of the day, he 'fessed up that he had left them at school. The next afternoon he found them, in suitcase and what a difference after he took them! We have seen more affect since he's older. THe meds works better, plus he can tell you how he feels a lot better. He functions better, but it is different in every child. He is on Vyvanse now. His physician also takes it, so I feel she can certainly relate.Now we are up against the fact that they won't let you in the military if you have taken ADD type meds within past year...even though they give those same drugs to

their pilots and some others for alertness. So, DS will not be able to join, something he would dearly like to do.Sue in TN>> Hi > > > > Thanks so much for sharing!> > > > We have an appt on the 21st (long time waiting) and I had been on the fence> for a long time about medication. I've finally decided its what we want,> but reading something like this really helps drive that home!> > > > Wish us luck!> > > > Lori > > > > _____ > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of O'Brien> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:13 PM> > Subject: ( ) Miserable couple of days...> > > > > > > > > I screwed up.> > > > I thought we had a week left of my sons Concerta, and we didn't. I ran out> on the weekend, and of course the dr's office was closed Saturday, Sunday> AND Monday. So three days without medication for my son, for the first time> since he started taking it over a year ago.>

> > > I thought. ok. This should be interesting. It was FAR from interesting It> was MISERABLE !!!> > > > He was miserable. He told me he couldn't listen to me because he couldn't> hear me. too many other noises. As the days went on, he got worse. I> realized that not only has the Concerta helped his "ADHD" type symptoms, but> WOW has it helped in other areas too. Stimming is one area. For him, it's> ALWAYS been echolalia. From Kindergarten, there was always the comments from> teachers about "nonsense noises". Well my boy has been making them NON STOP> for the last three days. And it took that to show me how LITTLE he's been> doing it while TAKING the Concerta. Another area? He has been so LIPPY the> last few days Really, really terrible. Completely no thought about anyone> else but himself, and up to this point, he's actually

been making huge> efforts to be concerned about others, etc. But today? My gosh. we went into> the DR to get a prescription refill (PHEW!) and every time the DR would say> something, he'd "talk back" to him. Thankfully, our dr is wonderful and just> laughed it off. but I was quite honestly shocked. And another thing I was?> Completely scared, and lost Despite the research I've done, I realized> how much that medication has helped him and continues to help him, and I> don't know that we could focus on helping my son with all his other areas of> struggle without it. I hate giving it to him, but I can't deny that it> helps. He told me. "Mom, my brain is just spinning too fast." and> "Everything is too hard, too confusing, and too scary!" I also learned> that I have MUCH to learn when it comes to AS and how to help him. We will> be waiting a long time for that DX, but

I need to know how to help him NOW!> Oy.> > > > To make the last few days even worse, my youngest broke his elbow. The boys> were playing, beautifully actually, driving their cars around. They'd> decided that underneath my bed was a "Garage". I was thrilled to see their> creativity, esp. my eldest, because that's not a strength for him when it> come to play. He was even letting his little brother come up with a few> ideas, and that's not something that EVER happens lol. Anyway. all of a> sudden I heard this blood curdling scream. Apparently my youngest was under> the bed, with his arms up on the bed, and my eldest was on top of the bed.> He moved over, and it pushed my boy's arm down with a twist to the side, and> he told us it "cracked". It was one of those things that neither of them> planned, or had any control over. It was a complete accident.

> > > > WELL my eldest, he lost it. When I went to help my youngest out from under> the bed, he was SCREAMING, and my eldest was on the floor looking under the> bed, frozen like a deer in headlights. He had NO idea what to do. After we> checked my youngest out, and realized we had to take him to the DR, my> eldest was running around the house, crying, angry. lashing out. I tried to> talk to him and he kept pushing me away (SO not like him. esp. with me.> Normally he'll push others away, but NEVER me!). He said "I am going to kill> myself" I finally helped him calm down, and figured out that he thought> he was somehow responsible for what happened to his little brother. It took> me FOREVER to convince him that it was JUST an accident, and it wasn't> anything he did. I was quite shocked by his response. but given that he> hasn't been taking his

medication, I guess I'm not AS surprised, because he> was SO quick to negativity before medications, too. Never that severe. that> really scared me > > > > I am trying to remind myself that a GOOD chunk of this is just the shocking> "cold turkey" of it all for him. His body had gotten used to it. And if I've> ever had my doubts about giving him medication, and it being the right thing> for him, but I can't question it anymore. I don't care about how he behaves,> and if it makes things easier for me, etc. I love him no matter what. But it> REALLY does make things easier for HIM!!!> > > > MAN it's been a long few days I'm gonna go have a rum and put my feet up> lol.> > > > =)>

April 15, 2009

My son was on medicaid until he was 18 and then when we checked into insurance for him-he was denied or told him they would cover him but it would be extremely expensive.