Re: responding to ODD vs Bi Polar question

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My son is aggressive, has constant mood changes, is non compliant at home and school, very hyper, and thouroughly enjoys being loved on and told we are proud of him and love him. It seems like everything about him contradicts something else about him.

( ) responding to ODD vs Bi Polar question

ODD is a defiency diagnosis, and I say that lightly, part of growth is defience, mentally. But a cronic agressive defiant person is harder to control, as well it is the way thier mind is cultured (as referring to cultural differences) . Bi Polar on the other hand is depression to manic behavour, meaning drastic ups and downs. If your child is Aspergers, there are going to be common mental health threads to his diagnosis already.

Is your child agressive?

It agrivates me that doctors are always looking for more ways to seperate our kids from society with more diagnosis.

Bottom line is that a word typed under thier name like Autistic, or AS, or ADD... isn't oing to change societies demands on them. These people (children and adults) with PDD's are going to survive someday out there in the real world, our jobs as parents is to give them the skills, not give our selves a reason why our kids can't succeed, such as more words to discribe there inner person.

Tammy L Sunderland

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My sons are the same--then, the next minute, when you love and compliment, they will scream, holler, and put us down; we never know if they will love the complement or beat the messenger------we feel 'damned if we do OR Don't'..................makes it hard...........and, there is never one set stable and consistent really; today may be great followed by three days of wishing we could run away (what a feeling---wanting to be married and with your spouse as an adult--running AWAY together-------really, a break----------)......seems the opposite of what I had INVISONED as a child awaiting my prince charming (LOL)--------------I always thought we would want to run away from each other for a while-------so, we have the relationship but sometimes, wish we had a break from these kiddos (I cannot imagine how someone with wheel chaired, disabled children like that are doing it---------perhaps that is physically exhausting---better I would almost think-----versus this EMOTIONAL chronic turmoil and what feels like abuse towards us (sometimes from professionals, always the school (or often the school), etc.)............WOW............we DO have some work to do, don't we!?

Ruthie

From: lisa_leonard@...Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:27:30 -0700Subject: Re: ( ) responding to ODD vs Bi Polar question

My son is aggressive, has constant mood changes, is non compliant at home and school, very hyper, and thouroughly enjoys being loved on and told we are proud of him and love him. It seems like everything about him contradicts something else about him.

( ) responding to ODD vs Bi Polar question

ODD is a defiency diagnosis, and I say that lightly, part of growth is defience, mentally. But a cronic agressive defiant person is harder to control, as well it is the way thier mind is cultured (as referring to cultural differences) . Bi Polar on the other hand is depression to manic behavour, meaning drastic ups and downs. If your child is Aspergers, there are going to be common mental health threads to his diagnosis already.

Is your child agressive?

It agrivates me that doctors are always looking for more ways to seperate our kids from society with more diagnosis.

Bottom line is that a word typed under thier name like Autistic, or AS, or ADD... isn't oing to change societies demands on them. These people (children and adults) with PDD's are going to survive someday out there in the real world, our jobs as parents is to give them the skills, not give our selves a reason why our kids can't succeed, such as more words to discribe there inner person.

Tammy L Sunderland

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Tammy,I completely agree. I saw an episode of oprah where this guy has no arms and legs and he was born that way and his mom decided no excuses you have to learn to do everything your siblings do and treated the same. Because of that he absolutely does everything and nothing stops him. That's how I treat my son no excuses. We have to be a little bit more tougher on things and though it breaks my heart at the time and I just want to cry the results are even better because I know he will be fine in life. AdaTammy Pennington <jessejames_outlaw2000@...> wrote: ODD is a defiency diagnosis, and I say that lightly, part of growth is defience, mentally. But a cronic agressive defiant person is harder to control, as well it is the way thier mind is cultured (as referring to cultural differences). Bi Polar on the other hand is depression to manic behavour, meaning drastic ups and downs. If your child is Aspergers, there are going to be common mental health threads to his diagnosis already. Is your child agressive? It agrivates me that doctors are always looking for more ways to seperate our kids from society with more diagnosis. Bottom line is that a word typed under thier name like Autistic, or AS, or ADD... isn't oing to change societies demands on them. These people (children and adults) with PDD's

are going to survive someday out there in the real world, our jobs as parents is to give them the skills, not give our selves a reason why our kids can't succeed, such as more words to discribe there inner person. Tammy L Sunderland __________________________________________________

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I had a really interesting talk with a developmental pediatrician

about AS and co-morbidity. He has worked with Dr. Volkmar (sp?) at

Yale and sees a lot of AS patients. He really seemed to be able to

focus on my son's needs. He said Asperger kids are super sensitive

to changes in their environment and that they show a lot of co-

morbitidy but that the other issues like OCD, ODD, BiPolar etc, are

sort of transient and highly depend on environment in many cases,

though I'm sure not all. It's very true of . His anxiety is

high if he's in a bad school situation, he's much more defiant if

he's in a bad school situation, if I pick a stupid battle that just

adds to his anxiety and can increase other problems. We treated

for anxiety when he was in a terrible school and we've been afraid to

take him off the anxiety meds but the doctor feels that we can now

because of his good school situation and suggested ways of keeping

school low anxiety. He feels that there are some things we should

just avoid completely if they make anxious or more likely to

melt down. PE was an example. He said that should be allowed

to choose another activity like walking if there is a competitive

game going on in PE. There should be some active games that can be

played without all the competition so that can participate and

not feel he's a loser because of his performance. We've been

fortunate recently that isn't doing PE because he broke his

finger and isn't allowed to do sports activities. So he walks with

his 1:1 paraprofessional instead and he's so much happier. He also

said that is fatigued when he gets home because the school

environment is too stimulating and is requiring to work much too

hard to fit in and behave. So being in a less stimulating

environment would help him. Issues like ODD and OCD and anxiety and

even what we believed might be psychotic episodes (seeing things and

hearing things that weren't there) went away when 's stress

levels were reduced. has a speech problem that is partly

related to anxiety. It's a pragmatic skill. He sometimes repeats

the ends of words 3 or 4 times. It's about his breathing and knowing

when and how to breathe while he talks. I KNEW it was a speech

thing, but I couldn't get the school SLPs to listen to me.

Anyway, I know this isn't really totally related, but since it is all

fresh in my mind and somewhat related to the topic I thought I'd

respond.

Miriam

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> ODD is a defiency diagnosis, and I say that lightly, part of growth

is defience, mentally. But a cronic agressive defiant person is

harder to control, as well it is the way thier mind is cultured (as

referring to cultural differences). Bi Polar on the other hand is

depression to manic behavour, meaning drastic ups and downs. If

your child is Aspergers, there are going to be common mental health

threads to his diagnosis already.

> Is your child agressive?

> It agrivates me that doctors are always looking for more ways to

seperate our kids from society with more diagnosis.

> Bottom line is that a word typed under thier name like Autistic, or

AS, or ADD... isn't oing to change societies demands on them. These

people (children and adults) with PDD's are going to survive someday

out there in the real world, our jobs as parents is to give them the

skills, not give our selves a reason why our kids can't succeed, such

as more words to discribe there inner person.

>

> Tammy L Sunderland

>

> __________________________________________________

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Miriam. My post to you is off subject a little,,,,but what you wrote is SOOOO true. (It's probably true for "typical" folks, too). When we removed "going to school" for our son, he became a new kid. It was absolutely amazing. He smiled,,,,talked,,,,,,,,interacted,,,,,helped,,,,,,,,learned at his pace............ Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. (as far as repeating sounds.......he did and still does this a bit........we were told it was echolalia.........) Have a great day. RobinMiriam <callis4773@...> wrote: I had a really interesting talk with a developmental pediatrician about AS and co-morbidity. He has worked with Dr. Volkmar (sp?) at Yale and sees a lot of AS patients. He really seemed to be able to focus on my son's needs. He said Asperger kids are super sensitive to changes in their environment and that they show a lot of co-morbitidy but that the other issues like OCD, ODD, BiPolar etc, are sort of transient and highly depend on environment in many cases, though I'm sure not all. It's very true of . His anxiety is high if he's in a bad school situation, he's much more defiant if he's in a bad school situation, if I pick a stupid battle that just adds to his anxiety and can increase other problems. We treated for anxiety when he was in a terrible school and we've been

afraid to take him off the anxiety meds but the doctor feels that we can now because of his good school situation and suggested ways of keeping school low anxiety. He feels that there are some things we should just avoid completely if they make anxious or more likely to melt down. PE was an example. He said that should be allowed to choose another activity like walking if there is a competitive game going on in PE. There should be some active games that can be played without all the competition so that can participate and not feel he's a loser because of his performance. We've been fortunate recently that isn't doing PE because he broke his finger and isn't allowed to do sports activities. So he walks with his 1:1 paraprofessional instead and he's so much happier. He also said that is fatigued when he gets home because the school environment is too stimulating and is requiring to work

much too hard to fit in and behave. So being in a less stimulating environment would help him. Issues like ODD and OCD and anxiety and even what we believed might be psychotic episodes (seeing things and hearing things that weren't there) went away when 's stress levels were reduced. has a speech problem that is partly related to anxiety. It's a pragmatic skill. He sometimes repeats the ends of words 3 or 4 times. It's about his breathing and knowing when and how to breathe while he talks. I KNEW it was a speech thing, but I couldn't get the school SLPs to listen to me.Anyway, I know this isn't really totally related, but since it is all fresh in my mind and somewhat related to the topic I thought I'd respond.Miriam>> ODD is a defiency diagnosis, and I say that lightly, part of growth is defience, mentally. But a cronic agressive defiant person is harder to control, as well it is the way thier mind is cultured (as referring to cultural differences). Bi Polar on the other hand is depression to manic behavour, meaning drastic ups and downs. If your child is Aspergers, there are going to be common mental health threads to his diagnosis already.> Is your child agressive? > It agrivates me that doctors are always looking for more ways to seperate our kids from society with more diagnosis. > Bottom line is that a word typed under thier name like Autistic, or AS, or ADD... isn't oing to change societies demands on them. These people (children and adults) with PDD's are going to survive someday out there in the real world, our jobs as parents is to give them the skills, not give our selves a reason why

our kids can't succeed, such as more words to discribe there inner person. > > Tammy L Sunderland > > __________________________________________________>

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has echolalia too, but this other thing, where he stammers at

the end of a word or sentence is different. When the doc pointed out

his breathing it all made sense. He can't figure out when to breathe

when he talks.

When gets his needs met he learns better.

Someone in another message was talking about " no excuses " and I guess

it depends on the definition of excuses. I want to be able to

take care of himself but there are SOME thing about which he will

have choices as an adult. If he doesn't choose to go to concerts in

a big auditorium nobody will care because it's his business. If

there are some things that upset him in the extreme but he really HAS

to do it then there are ways to help him tolerate those without just

pushing and saying " no excuses " . I don't know if I'd tell , " You

have to read facial expressions, no excuses. " Since that part of his

brain just isn't developed how can one force that issue. How can

anyone really know for sure anyway. So I guess I'm trying to figure

out what people mean when they say " no excuses " in getting their kids

to do things.

Miriam

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> > ODD is a defiency diagnosis, and I say that lightly, part of

growth

> is defience, mentally. But a cronic agressive defiant person is

> harder to control, as well it is the way thier mind is cultured (as

> referring to cultural differences). Bi Polar on the other hand is

> depression to manic behavour, meaning drastic ups and downs. If

> your child is Aspergers, there are going to be common mental health

> threads to his diagnosis already.

> > Is your child agressive?

> > It agrivates me that doctors are always looking for more ways to

> seperate our kids from society with more diagnosis.

> > Bottom line is that a word typed under thier name like Autistic,

or

> AS, or ADD... isn't oing to change societies demands on them. These

> people (children and adults) with PDD's are going to survive

someday

> out there in the real world, our jobs as parents is to give them

the

> skills, not give our selves a reason why our kids can't succeed,

such

> as more words to discribe there inner person.

> >

> > Tammy L Sunderland

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >