Re: Re: Teenage Frustration/Anger/Math

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Yes...I agree....they are not teaching math like they use to ....my son never had to recite the multiplication table or addition or subtraction...so now in 7th grade ...he has to sometimes use his finger or really think about it. Horrible.....I hired a math tutor and may have her go over this with him as he won't do it with me.....but I may take away Xbox if he doesn't work with me....My son has never done Long division which the tutor is helping him with.In fact,,,,my son never learned how to write in cursive (script)....Sometimes I wonder what they are teaching our kids.....I think they start to soon on all the other parts of math rather than focusing on the basics of addition and multiplication.....in 6th grade they were all over the place...they would spend 6 weeks on one part of math and move on...he did fraction, percents, addtition and

multiplication, time lapes, metric system, measurements, word problems, and more.....I think I would be confused too!!!

Even the 11th graders in Spe.Ed. that I work with don't know the basic facts....they use their fingers...and the calculators ....I can do the same algebra problem and not even use a calculator....they have such fancy ones now that do all the graphs and plotting.....we had to do that.

I hate to say it...but I think the younger generations are getting dumber not smarter....we as Americans are falling behind. ...way behind.

Jan

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From: kellystar734 <kellystar734>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/ Anger Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:40 PM

> I think his case manager is observing to see if she can figure out >why he's shutting down. But I'll definitely ask to see if she (or >anyone else) has time.......He eats lunch with one of his Spec Ed >teachers and really enjoys that.>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>Have you asked him what is causing him to shutdown? It could be to many demands coming at him at once. I have asked my son (13 yrs old) what causes him to shutdown and he is able to tell me usually by the next day as he needs time to process what has happened doing the day (I feel it takes Aspergers kids longer to process everyday things so that they can get it straight in their minds).I wonder if you have thought about seeing

if he could spend some one on one time with this Sped Ed teacher so that they could go outside and he could jump, scream, run around (good to help them stay on task) if he is doing what he is suppose to do as this could be a reward for him for getting his work done.????Marj

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Yes...I agree....they are not teaching math like they use to ....my son never had to recite the multiplication table or addition or subtraction...so now in 7th grade ...he has to sometimes use his finger or really think about it. Horrible.....I hired a math tutor and may have her go over this with him as he won't do it with me.....but I may take away Xbox if he doesn't work with me....My son has never done Long division which the tutor is helping him with.In fact,,,,my son never learned how to write in cursive (script)....Sometimes I wonder what they are teaching our kids.....I think they start to soon on all the other parts of math rather than focusing on the basics of addition and multiplication.....in 6th grade they were all over the place...they would spend 6 weeks on one part of math and move on...he did fraction, percents, addtition and

multiplication, time lapes, metric system, measurements, word problems, and more.....I think I would be confused too!!!

Even the 11th graders in Spe.Ed. that I work with don't know the basic facts....they use their fingers...and the calculators ....I can do the same algebra problem and not even use a calculator....they have such fancy ones now that do all the graphs and plotting.....we had to do that.

I hate to say it...but I think the younger generations are getting dumber not smarter....we as Americans are falling behind. ...way behind.

Jan

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From: kellystar734 <kellystar734>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/ Anger Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:40 PM

> I think his case manager is observing to see if she can figure out >why he's shutting down. But I'll definitely ask to see if she (or >anyone else) has time.......He eats lunch with one of his Spec Ed >teachers and really enjoys that.>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>Have you asked him what is causing him to shutdown? It could be to many demands coming at him at once. I have asked my son (13 yrs old) what causes him to shutdown and he is able to tell me usually by the next day as he needs time to process what has happened doing the day (I feel it takes Aspergers kids longer to process everyday things so that they can get it straight in their minds).I wonder if you have thought about seeing

if he could spend some one on one time with this Sped Ed teacher so that they could go outside and he could jump, scream, run around (good to help them stay on task) if he is doing what he is suppose to do as this could be a reward for him for getting his work done.????Marj

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You are right....the teachers have no say...they must follow the curriculum....and it is out of whack....I also know a lot of time is wasted on handling the students, re-directing, interruptions....etc.....

Now I heard something interesting...there is a new law coming into effect that we have to teach the kids at their grade level....so if they are in 11th they should be learning Algebra II. Whoa....how can that be???? The kids last year were on the 5th grade level of math and now they are expected to learn Algebra II???? That is absurd....and they are teaching them to pass the PSSA tests...not to learn but to pass the tests....they work on the problems that are given in the test. So the kids are not learning...they are just learning to pass this test...what happened to real learning??? I have no idea....and the kids don't want to learn...maybe we spoiled them too much...maybe America is spoiled.... In Africa....the kids are so excited to go to school and they walk for miles ...to a one room classroom...our kids have everything...and parents are out working and tired and not very involved in their kids learning....We just had a open house at

school (high school) only 2 parents showed up in the English/Reading class...does that say something???

Jan

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From: r_woman2 <me2ruth (DOT) com>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/ Anger/Math Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 9:52 PM

>> There is something seriously wrong going on in schools nowadays.> The teachers I've talked with about this say they'd like to teachthe old way and their own way,,,,but the curriculums are being changedand they HAVE to follow the things....and the testing....ugh.It is not like this everywhere. Our schools still make kids memorizetheir math facts. Grades 1-5, every night pretty much. I used tohate it, but maybe I should have appreciated it!I'll tell you the last thing they did in 5th grade to make sure theyreally had their multiplication tables memorized. After theysuccessfully did this, they could finally stop. Maybe it will helpthose of you with struggling memorizers, maybe not, I don't know. First,

they filled in a grid with the numbers 0-12 in order across thetop row and down one side. For example, the square where the row witha 6 intersected the column with a 6 was supposed to be filled in withthe answer to 6 X 6. You fill in the whole grid.They practiced filling this grid in in this order first for awhile. In other grades they had learned little songs and other crutches formemorizing the groups of facts. The purpose of filling this grid outwith the numbers in this order is so the student can see the patterns.This helps them memorize it even better than whatever they were doingbefore. Try it and you'll see what I mean.Then they move on to mixing up the numbers. Every day, the numbersacross the top and down the side are in a different order. They haveto fill out the grid in under 2 or 3 minutes (I can't rememberexactly). The idea is that they have to have it memorized to fill itout

that fast. The key is to NOT give them enough time to calculatethe facts if they aren't memorized.When they succeed in filling out the grid 3 days, they are consideredto have the facts memorized and can stop.Hope this helps.Ruth

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Now I am just learning about this new law and I am not sure if it just a PA law or federal...I will ask for more information. I have a feeling it is just in PA. But as far as exceeding...I don't think they would be pushed back...it is the others that are not up to grade level.

And, YES, is INCLUDES SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENTS!!!! Last year the student I am with and the

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From: kellystar734 <kellystar734@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/Anger/Math Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 5:40 PM

> I also know a lot of time is wasted on handling the students, re->directing, interruptions. ...etc... ..>>>>>>> >>>>Homeschooling is one option.> Now I heard something interesting. ..there is a new law coming into >that we have to teach the kids at their grade level....so if they >are in 11th they should be learning Algebra II. Whoa........ We just >had a open house at school (high school) only 2 parents showed up in >the English/Reading class...does that say something??? >>>>>>>>> >>Janice,I am so with you on all of this as it says volumes to me when a parent is not at the open houses. To me it says that their child(ren) don't

matter,So that I wonder if Special Ed kids are in this new law? I don't know how they can do that to our children if they are not even at grade level. What about the kids that are doing work higher than their grade level I wonder if that means they will have to go back to the grade that they are in....example. ...my son was in 6th grade and he was able to do 7th and 8th grade work....does that mean with this new law he would have had to do 6th grade level work but not the higher stuff? This is all nuts if you ask me.MarjP.S. I wonder if this new law exempts Special Ed?

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Now I am just learning about this new law and I am not sure if it just a PA law or federal...I will ask for more information. I have a feeling it is just in PA. But as far as exceeding...I don't think they would be pushed back...it is the others that are not up to grade level.

And, YES, is INCLUDES SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENTS!!!! Last year the student I am

Jan Rushen

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From: kellystar734 <kellystar734@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/Anger/Math Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 5:40 PM

> I also know a lot of time is wasted on handling the students, re->directing, interruptions. ...etc... ..>>>>>>> >>>>Homeschooling is one option.> Now I heard something interesting. ..there is a new law coming into >that we have to teach the kids at their grade level....so if they >are in 11th they should be learning Algebra II. Whoa........ We just >had a open house at school (high school) only 2 parents showed up in >the English/Reading class...does that say something??? >>>>>>>>> >>Janice,I am so with you on all of this as it says volumes to me when a parent is not at the open houses. To me it says that their child(ren) don't

matter,So that I wonder if Special Ed kids are in this new law? I don't know how they can do that to our children if they are not even at grade level. What about the kids that are doing work higher than their grade level I wonder if that means they will have to go back to the grade that they are in....example. ...my son was in 6th grade and he was able to do 7th and 8th grade work....does that mean with this new law he would have had to do 6th grade level work but not the higher stuff? This is all nuts if you ask me.MarjP.S. I wonder if this new law exempts Special Ed?

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Somehow I sent it before I finished.....

Yes, this new law includes Special Education students. Last year the student I am with and his classmates were doing 5th grade math....now they are doing Algebra I.....some of the kids are stuggling and some problems they just don't understand at all and will forget it as soon as the year is over...This is absurd....they should be grandfathered ...and be exempt...if they start a new law then it should effect the kids just starting out that not kids in 11th grade ...wow ...the system is really strange

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Wow, Ruth. Wonderful.

Where are you?

He hee.

From: r_woman2 <me2ruth@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/Anger/Math Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 6:15 PM

>> You are right....the teachers have no say...they must follow thecurriculum.. ..and it is out of whack....It's not like this at all in our schools. There is an officialcurriculum, but the teachers are free to enhance it if they want. They usually do. Many of my kid's official school workbooks inelementary used to come home mostly unused at the end of the schoolyear. Their work was all handouts that the teachers had either donethemselves or compiled from other sources. They said the officialstuff was too easy or not as good. From what I saw, they were right.Ruth

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Wonderful.

From: r_woman2 <me2ruth@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/Anger/Math Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 9:07 AM

>> Wow, Ruth.� Wonderful.> Where are you?> He hee.I'm in Texas. The quality of public schools varies greatly here; Mykids are in highly rated schools. I think the great variance isbecause a lot of the better school districts create their owncurriculum and goals that sit on top of the state's curriculum andgoals. Then individual schools and teachers/teams can play with ittoo. As long as they are adding to the top rather than taking away, Idon't think anybody cares. Unfortunately, they haven't always dealtwith all aspects of Asperger as well as they deal with academics ingeneral. But I do appreciate the fact that I don't really need toworry about education in general too

much.Ruth

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Yes, it is sad...I think the kids that really lose out are the ones with learning disabilities ...how on earth can they go from 5th grade math to algebra???? All for this test. I think if the school want to pass...they should push to have the Sp.Ed. students exempt from the testing or maybe they should be tested on their level. I understand why they are testing but it has gotten out of control...our school has not passed and they now give foresight tests....and then they give time to go over the results...the kids are not paying attention...they are tired of these tests...I know for a fact a lot of the spe.ed. kids just go down the sheet and mark what ever...just to be done with it. And, now if they don't pass as proficient...they have to spend 90 extra hous in school....wow! I worry about my son...I don't know if he could tolerate another 2 hours of

school a day....I am not going to waste my time worry now as he is only in 7th grade...but I am going to tell him about it and that if as a senior if he doesn't want to spend more time in school then he better try learning now!

I also think that as the kids get older the teasing stops...I know 2 students in our school with Aspergers and one is girl and one is boy. The boy keeps to himself....doesn't talk much at all....in computer class...he had one friend who sat with him...but kids asked him questions on how to do things and no one teased him. As for the girl....the kids are beyond teasing....they just ignore her and she doesn't want friends ...she is fine being by herself. But she is very OCD and has all these rules in her head. The sad thing I think is that the school lets her get away with too much. They do want her going off and crying and having fits...so when the give an assignment such as writing a story....5 pages..and she wants to write an 8 chapter book...they let her. They let her type in script which is so hard to read...her TA is not sure what to do and no one gives her directions....I feel they are only setting up this child to

fail....how is she going to fit into society if they are always giving in to her. What is going to happen if she gets a job and her boss tells her to do something and she starts in by saying it has to be done this way or has a fits and starts crying...I just can't see her ever getting a job. She needs to learn to cope and need therapy...and the school is not working with her or telling her parents this. And, at the IEP meetings her TA is not invited. How sad is this????

Jan

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From: r_woman2 <me2ruth (DOT) com>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/ Anger/Math Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 9:52 PM

>> There is something seriously wrong going on in schools nowadays.> The teachers I've talked with about this say they'd like to teachthe old way and their own way,,,,but the curriculums are being changedand they HAVE to follow the things....and the testing....ugh.It is not like this everywhere. Our schools still make kids memorizetheir math facts. Grades 1-5, every night pretty much. I used tohate it, but maybe I should have appreciated it!I'll tell you the last thing they did in 5th grade to make sure theyreally had their multiplication tables memorized. After theysuccessfully did this, they could finally stop. Maybe it will helpthose of you with struggling memorizers, maybe not, I don't know. First,

they filled in a grid with the numbers 0-12 in order across thetop row and down one side. For example, the square where the row witha 6 intersected the column with a 6 was supposed to be filled in withthe answer to 6 X 6. You fill in the whole grid.They practiced filling this grid in in this order first for awhile. In other grades they had learned little songs and other crutches formemorizing the groups of facts. The purpose of filling this grid outwith the numbers in this order is so the student can see the patterns.This helps them memorize it even better than whatever they were doingbefore. Try it and you'll see what I mean.Then they move on to mixing up the numbers. Every day, the numbersacross the top and down the side are in a different order. They haveto fill out the grid in under 2 or 3 minutes (I can't rememberexactly). The idea is that they have to have it memorized to fill itout

that fast. The key is to NOT give them enough time to calculatethe facts if they aren't memorized.When they succeed in filling out the grid 3 days, they are consideredto have the facts memorized and can stop.Hope this helps.Ruth

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Marj,

I knew there were homeschooling groups and that is great....I know of this child and he is very active...

Now as far as you need only 2-3 hours...explain...I always knew that if you homeschooled you could do it in a shorter period of time...because there is no changing of class time, no lunch time, no homeroom time, etc....but 2-3 hours and that is it a day?????

Also, Marj....what would he do all day alone....play Xbox...

Jan

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From: kellystar734 <kellystar734@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/Anger/Math Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 10:01 PM

> 3. He needs to socialize and be around other kids> 4. I work>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I would have to say that my son got more socialization when I pulled him out half way through the 5th grade due to a bad teacher. We did more outside activities while homeschooled than he ever got being in school all day. Outside activities I mean are like going to the art musuem and doing the family center there with other homeschoolers. ..and going to the park with other homeschoolers. As far as a mom who works you can homeschool in the evenings or on the weekends. All you need is 2-3 hours a day for homeschooling and you can have him go with you when running

errands and he can learn that way as well.Marj

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I'm gonna jump in really quick and say 2 - 3 hours is right!!! Look at the kids' schedules at school. Honestly break it down and take out gym, music, art, etc. Take out some time for the obvious "no work being done" cause teachers are dealing with others. I did this with my kids that are still in school and I almost crapped myself.

Ian does what he has to do and if he's on a roll, we keep going. If it's not working, we move on or let him take a break. This is our 2nd year and I still struggle with feeling that it's not okay to let a kid be idle and play or lay around or help with household chores or go for a hike. He should be in shcool. I am UNLEARNING, in a way.

We also, stick with 1 subject and run with it. If we are doing Algebra,,,,we keep doing it until we can't. We can do 3-8 lessons....honestly. Think if you could just sit 1 on 1 with your student and comment on what they were doing and explain a beter way or that they were awesome!!! Time flies.......

But doing it at home has allowed Ian to learn how to pump gas when I have to fill up. He has more chores......sweeping, laundry, anything I ask. Sounds bad and I dont' mean that he's my maid now that he's home,,,,,,but being home has allowed him to be more responsible for him, our family,,,,,,everything.

I love it......wish I had the bejeebies to pull all the kids.

From: kellystar734 <kellystar734>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/ Anger/Math Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 10:01 PM

> 3. He needs to socialize and be around other kids> 4. I work>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I would have to say that my son got more socialization when I pulled him out half way through the 5th grade due to a bad teacher. We did more outside activities while homeschooled than he ever got being in school all day. Outside activities I mean are like going to the art musuem and doing the family center there with other homeschoolers. ..and going to the park with other homeschoolers. As far as a mom who works you can homeschool in the evenings or on the weekends. All you need is 2-3 hours a day for homeschooling and you can have him go with you when running

errands and he can learn that way as well.Marj

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I agree about the parent working and the kid home alone and THEN doing work in the eve. My son works better in the AM. Me too, hee hee.

I've heard of people that do that at night....and they seem to love it. But kids are at daycare or somewhere during the day...not alone. And they work with their hubbies in getting errands run, etc. Getting time to yourself,,,,well,,,,,,what is that, anyway? he he.

The ones I know that work during the day and school at night don't have kids with adhd issues. They also look at the schoolwork time as the family together time. hmmmmmm..

From: r_woman2 <me2ruth@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/Anger/Math Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 12:02 PM

>> Now as far as you need only 2-3 hours...explain. ..I always knew thatif you homeschooled you could do it in a shorter period oftime...because there is no changing of class time, no lunch time,� nohomeroom time, etc....but 2-3 hours and that is it a day?????> �> Also, Marj....what would he do all day alone....play Xbox...I agree with you, Jan. So, you're going to come home from working allday and spend your entire evening homeschooling? ! You would have nodowntime for yourself and you could do nothing recreational/ runerrands with your family during the week. How would you get yourdaily housework done? What about your kids' sports and activities? When would you have time to plan the curriculum and do

grading? Whatabout the days you need to work overtime? And your kid(s) would bespending the 10 or 11 hours you are gone home alone doing what? Notmany Asperger kids work well on their own, and if they did, what kindof life is that being at home all day alone by yourself? Soundsmiserable for everyone to me!Ruth

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I did this for 2 years with my oldest son. It is difficult but it is doable. We did 7th & 8th grade. I taught preschoolers with disabilities all day & him at night. If was no worse than the hours I spent helping him get homework & unfinished classwork done & I did not have the added stressor of the judgmental attitudes of the teachers & staff about my child & my parenting. Just my 2 cents!Sent from my iPhoneBlessings, DonnaOn Oct 4, 2008, at 12:02 PM, "r_woman2" <me2ruth@...> wrote:

>

> Now as far as you need only 2-3 hours...explain...I always knew that

if you homeschooled you could do it in a shorter period of

time...because there is no changing of class time, no lunch time,� no

homeroom time, etc....but 2-3 hours and that is it a day?????

> �

> Also, Marj....what would he do all day alone....play Xbox...

I agree with you, Jan. So, you're going to come home from working all

day and spend your entire evening homeschooling?! You would have no

downtime for yourself and you could do nothing recreational/run

errands with your family during the week. How would you get your

daily housework done? What about your kids' sports and activities?

When would you have time to plan the curriculum and do grading? What

about the days you need to work overtime? And your kid(s) would be

spending the 10 or 11 hours you are gone home alone doing what? Not

many Asperger kids work well on their own, and if they did, what kind

of life is that being at home all day alone by yourself? Sounds

miserable for everyone to me!

Ruth

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But what did he do during the day???? I give you credit!!!

Jan

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>> Now as far as you need only 2-3 hours...explain. ..I always knew thatif you homeschooled you could do it in a shorter period oftime...because there is no changing of class time, no lunch time,� nohomeroom time, etc....but 2-3 hours and that is it a day?????> �> Also, Marj....what would he do all day alone....play Xbox...I agree with you, Jan. So, you're going to come home from working allday and spend your entire evening homeschooling? ! You would have nodowntime for yourself and you could do nothing recreational/ runerrands with your family during the week. How would you get yourdaily housework done? What about your kids' sports and activities? When would you have time to plan the curriculum and do

grading? Whatabout the days you need to work overtime? And your kid(s) would bespending the 10 or 11 hours you are gone home alone doing what? Notmany Asperger kids work well on their own, and if they did, what kindof life is that being at home all day alone by yourself? Soundsmiserable for everyone to me!Ruth

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Okay Ruth...please explain...I understand the part about visual learning ...and I think a lot of the kids are this way ...at least the ones I work with in school...and i think my son is too. What is the other thing you mentioned.

I know I should be reading more about AS and learning and learing difficulties but I am so tired....

jan

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From: r_woman2 <me2ruth@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/Anger/Math Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 3:33 PM

>> Speaking of learning style though, I've been wanting to jump in for> days to address the worry some of you expressed about math. Most of> our kids have the visual/spatial learning style. I don't know about "most". People need to be careful about thisbecause many aspies also have non-verbal learning disorder, which is avisual/information processing disorder. So, they are very much NOTvisual-spatial learners. If your child has problems reading maps,does poorly with construction toys, he or she is not a visual-spatiallearner.Ruth

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I guess I could do it when he gets a little older and leave him home. He would never go to a day care while I was at work...that would be another stressor on him. I can truly see the great advantage of homeschooling.

The only disadvantage is would my son do the work and would he listen to me.

I think for our kids...homeschooling is GREAT....so much work is involved in having them in the school systems....IEP, meetings, discipline, mean children, the bus ride, teachers who don't understand...I could go on and on....but I just do see me doing it right now. But I think it is great for the kids to be homeschooled ...I bet they get a better education.

Jan

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From: r_woman2 <me2ruth (DOT) com>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/ Anger/Math Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 12:02 PM

>> Now as far as you need only 2-3 hours...explain. ..I always knew thatif you homeschooled you could do it in a shorter period oftime...because there is no changing of class time, no lunch time,� nohomeroom time, etc....but 2-3 hours and that is it a day?????> �> Also, Marj....what would he do all day alone....play Xbox...I agree with you, Jan. So, you're going to come home from working allday and spend your entire evening homeschooling? ! You would have nodowntime for yourself and you could do nothing recreational/ runerrands with your family during the week. How would you get yourdaily housework done? What about your kids' sports and activities? When would you have time to plan the curriculum and do

grading? Whatabout the days you need to work overtime? And your kid(s) would bespending the 10 or 11 hours you are gone home alone doing what? Notmany Asperger kids work well on their own, and if they did, what kindof life is that being at home all day alone by yourself? Soundsmiserable for everyone to me!Ruth

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I think we all do what's best at the time for everyone involved. You know you doing this with him at this time wouldn't be best for either of you. You should be commended. Honestly.

We gotta look at all parts,,,,and make the decision that's best for all involved.

Right? Hugs to you.

From: r_woman2 <me2ruth (DOT) com>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/ Anger/Math Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 12:02 PM

>> Now as far as you need only 2-3 hours...explain. ..I always knew thatif you homeschooled you could do it in a shorter period oftime...because there is no changing of class time, no lunch time,� nohomeroom time, etc....but 2-3 hours and that is it a day?????> �> Also, Marj....what would he do all day alone....play Xbox...I agree with you, Jan. So, you're going to come home from working allday and spend your entire evening homeschooling? ! You would have nodowntime for yourself and you could do nothing recreational/ runerrands with your family during the week. How would you get yourdaily housework done? What about your kids' sports and activities? When would you have time to plan the curriculum and do

grading? Whatabout the days you need to work overtime? And your kid(s) would bespending the 10 or 11 hours you are gone home alone doing what? Notmany Asperger kids work well on their own, and if they did, what kindof life is that being at home all day alone by yourself? Soundsmiserable for everyone to me!Ruth

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I don't know how people could do it in 2 or 3 hours per day either. You can cut out recess, art and PE and shave off time that way. But I am e-schooling my ds and we have to put in 25 hours minimum per week (in core academic subjects) and we log our hours weekly. My ds has special needs and seems like everything can take longer because I have to take extra time, modify, or plan ahead for teaching him. He's high maintenance kid, which is why he has an IEP. Even keeping him on track is work, whether he knows the material being taught or not. It's not something I can do on the way to the grocery store either. I don't know how people would do this (i.e. 2 hours per day while running through Kmart) and maintain grade level with their kids.

I don't want to discourage anyone from homeschooling. I just want people to know it's not a simple thing to do. It does require work, effort and time.

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( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/Anger/Math Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 10:01 PM

> 3. He needs to socialize and be around other kids> 4. I work>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I would have to say that my son got more socialization when I pulled him out half way through the 5th grade due to a bad teacher. We did more outside activities while homeschooled than he ever got being in school all day. Outside activities I mean are like going to the art musuem and doing the family center there with other homeschoolers. ..and going to the park with other homeschoolers. As far as a mom who works you can homeschool in the evenings or on the weekends. All you need is 2-3 hours a day for homeschooling and you can have him go with you when running errands and he can learn that way as well.Marj

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You are so right on it requiring work, effort and time. So right.

I do believe, though, that it's got to be a totally individualized thing to decide. If you have a child who can't focus and fights you every step of the way,,,,it's gonna be much harder than if you can remind them why they're home and that they should realize how much better it is that they're home, ya know? My son is kinda in-between. He can do the work if it's concrete like math, science. Hates grammar but can do it. If he has to write or "pretend".....holy crap....no way.

Anyway,,,,,he doesn't want to do it. See's himself home and wants his games,,,but I tell him that he can always head back toschool then. And now, with the virtual school, he can see all of his work that's due for the year right in front of him,,,,so he can actually "SEE" the stuff go away and the %'s go up....so that's cool to him.

But,,,you are so right about the work. For us, though,,,the school-caused, emotionally drained days are gone, though.

Thank God.

Robin

From: kellystar734 <kellystar734>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/ Anger/Math Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 10:01 PM

> 3. He needs to socialize and be around other kids> 4. I work>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I would have to say that my son got more socialization when I pulled him out half way through the 5th grade due to a bad teacher. We did more outside activities while homeschooled than he ever got being in school all day. Outside activities I mean are like going to the art musuem and doing the family center there with other homeschoolers. ..and going to the park with other homeschoolers. As far as a mom who works you can homeschool in the evenings or on the weekends. All you need is 2-3 hours a day for homeschooling and you can have him go with you when running

errands and he can learn that way as well.Marj

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Everyday Math curriculum can be troublesome for some children on the autism spectrum. It is a "spiraling" curriculum where concepts are not mastered fully before they begin adding more and new information. Be on the look out for it. Pam :)New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out!

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Ruth,,,,,thanks for the explanation....just from what you said I can tell my son does not have NLD.....

Jan

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From: r_woman2 <me2ruth@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/Anger/Math Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 11:12 PM

>> Okay Ruth...please explain...I understand the part about visuallearning ...and I think a lot of the kids are this way ...at least theones I work with in school...and i think my son is too. What is theother thing you mentioned.> �> I know I should be reading more about AS and learning and learingdifficulties but I am so tired....Well, it is not something you need to bother yourself about unlessyour aspie has it. Nonverbal learning disability is also known asNLD, so you could google that too. An quick and easy red flag to lookfor is in your child's IQ scores. If there is a big differencebetween their verbal comprehension index and their perceptualreasoning index, more than, say 15 points and especially if

there islike 30 points difference, you might want to check further. Someother red flags, other than those I've already mentioned--getting lostin everyday situations like school and one's own neighborhood, notbeing able to tell left from right, difficulty making sense ofworksheets, having a hard time "finding" things, not being able tounderstand when someone "shows" them how to do something but canunderstand when it is put into words--that' s all I can think of offthe top of my head. For some reason, kids with NLD tend to have veryhigh IQs with many of them being intellectually gifted. Kids with NLDare auditory learners.Ruth

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Yes, I like having things listed and he can see what has to be done and what's done. They also put the grades up on each subject page so he knows what he is doing in the class. I like that too. I make him a daily assignment list so he can cross everything off because he works better with that.

I still have to walk him through everything though. That is one goal - to have him do more things independently. But if I let him go off on his own, he rushes through to get done whether he got the point or not. I have to think of ways to push him to be independent but also gain the learning at the same time. ugh ugh ugh. My brain hurts already. lol

He doesn't do writing well either. Once in a while, he will pop off a story on his own and it's very nice and I'm shocked. But it's like a once a year or twice a year event. Last year, his last paper to do, I made a graphic organizer, helped him fill it out, color coded it and then sat here while I watched him put each sentence together. He talked, I typed. I felt like I did too much but then, it went together so easily and teacher said it was the best paper she saw. Well of course - after that much effort, it better be great! LOL.

My biggest thing right now is getting him to answer in complete sentences. He still does not bother to do that. You'd think by 7th grade, he would get that but he doesn't. So I go through with him answering and showing him how to make his answers into sentences. It's a process....

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( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/ Anger/Math Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 10:01 PM

> 3. He needs to socialize and be around other kids> 4. I work>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I would have to say that my son got more socialization when I pulled him out half way through the 5th grade due to a bad teacher. We did more outside activities while homeschooled than he ever got being in school all day. Outside activities I mean are like going to the art musuem and doing the family center there with other homeschoolers. ..and going to the park with other homeschoolers. As far as a mom who works you can homeschool in the evenings or on the weekends. All you need is 2-3 hours a day for homeschooling and you can have him go with you when running errands and he can learn that way as well.Marj

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Ugh, we found it here in our school! lol.

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Everyday Math curriculum can be troublesome for some children on the autism spectrum. It is a "spiraling" curriculum where concepts are not mastered fully before they begin adding more and new information. Be on the look out for it. Pam

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Man, you could be talking about Ian with the not writing in complete sentences and rushing through. That's his big thing with the State Testing, coming up. He has the SPED guy come to our library to give the test to him and he's there for THAT reason. To remind him that he's there for the whole time,,,no matter what,,,,,so he might as well take his time and do it right.

ha ha.

I'm tired, too.

From: kellystar734 <kellystar734>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/ Anger/Math Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 10:01 PM

> 3. He needs to socialize and be around other kids> 4. I work>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I would have to say that my son got more socialization when I pulled him out half way through the 5th grade due to a bad teacher. We did more outside activities while homeschooled than he ever got being in school all day. Outside activities I mean are like going to the art musuem and doing the family center there with other homeschoolers. ..and going to the park with other homeschoolers. As far as a mom who works you can homeschool in the evenings or on the weekends. All you need is 2-3 hours a day for homeschooling and you can have him go with you when running

errands and he can learn that way as well.Marj

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Guess what ...it is not just our kids not writing complete sentences...I see it with all the special ed. kids...in 11th grade and they can't write a paragraph....and part of the PSSA has writing in it...and that is what brings their scores down so much....my son is not good either and he is always forgetting punctuation and can not spell for beans!!!

Ugh!

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From: kellystar734 <kellystar734>Subject: ( ) Re: Teenage Frustration/ Anger/Math Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 10:01 PM

> 3. He needs to socialize and be around other kids> 4. I work>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I would have to say that my son got more socialization when I pulled him out half way through the 5th grade due to a bad teacher. We did more outside activities while homeschooled than he ever got being in school all day. Outside activities I mean are like going to the art musuem and doing the family center there with other homeschoolers. ..and going to the park with other homeschoolers. As far as a mom who works you can homeschool in the evenings or on the weekends. All you need is 2-3 hours a day for homeschooling and you can have him go with you when running

errands and he can learn that way as well.Marj

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