Re: Just wondering what you think about this.

September 19, 2008

I would be outraged

From: Theweaverfive@... <Theweaverfive@...>Subject: ( ) Just wondering what you think about this. Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 6:24 PM

This does not specifically pertain to Asperger children.... .just children in general. I was wondering what others think of an incident that happened at school with one of my neurotypical children. She is 10 years old and in the fifth grade. The class had just finished their math assignment and the teacher had them pass the papers around the room to be graded by another child. A student asked the teacher what to do if a person didn't put their name on the paper. The teacher walked over to that student picked up the paper and asked whose it was. My daughter raised her hand and said it was hers. This was the first time she had forgotten to put her name on a paper and it is only the third week of school. Anyway, the teacher proceeded to rip the paper in several pieces and told my daughter in front of the entire class that she had

to redo it and would be getting a zero on it even after she re did it. My daughter began to cry. The teacher made her go out into the hall. Out in the hall she told my daughter "Maybe next time you won't forget to put your name on the paper. Now quit crying and go to restroom until you get yourself together."

Just wondering how others would feel about this incident.

Thanks,

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September 19, 2008

OMG I would be LIVID! No way I'd keep my child with that teacher. How rude is that lady??

Oh I'd be all over this!

In a message dated 9/19/2008 8:38:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, tracyrunner@... writes:

I would be outraged

From: Theweaverfiveaol <Theweaverfiveaol>Subject: ( ) Just wondering what you think about this. Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 6:24 PM

This does not specifically pertain to Asperger children.... .just children in general. I was wondering what others think of an incident that happened at school with one of my neurotypical children. She is 10 years old and in the fifth grade. The class had just finished their math assignment and the teacher had them pass the papers around the room to be graded by another child. A student asked the teacher what to do if a person didn't put their name on the paper. The teacher walked over to that student picked up the paper and asked whose it was. My daughter raised her hand and said it was hers. This was the first time she had forgotten to put her name on a paper and it is only the third week of school. Anyway, the teacher proceeded to rip the paper in several pieces and told my daughter in front of the entire class that she had to redo it and would be getting a zero on it even after she re did it. My daughter began to cry. The teacher made her go out into the hall. Out in the hall she told my daughter "Maybe next time you won't forget to put your name on the paper. Now quit crying and go to restroom until you get yourself together."

Just wondering how others would feel about this incident.

Thanks,

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September 19, 2008

On May 19, 3:15am, Theweaverfive@... wrote:

} the first time she had forgotten to put her name on a paper and it is only

} the third week of school. Anyway, the teacher proceeded to rip the paper in

} several pieces and told my daughter in front of the entire class that she had

} to redo it and would be getting a zero on it even after she re did it. My

} daughter began to cry. The teacher made her go out into the hall. Out in the

} hall she told my daughter " Maybe next time you won't forget to put your name

} on the paper. Now quit crying and go to restroom until you get yourself

} together. "

}

} Just wondering how others would feel about this incident.

I think that is completely inappropriate and I would definitely

talk to the principal about it.

Willa

September 19, 2008

I work in a high school ...I can't tell you how many high schoolers forget to put their name on a paper ....and they are not treated like that...

I would be call the principal...why?

1. She purposely EMBARRASSED your child in front of all the other Kids....She ripped it up and told her she had to do it again and she would still get a O. NO! This is not right!

She singled your daughter out and repremanded her in front of everyone....over a misstate....it is the 3rd week of school, please. Tell that teacher to take a Chill pill.

2. She got your daughter so upset that she cried in front of all her classmates....and then reprimanded her again in the hall...NO! And, told her to go to the bathroom and stay there until she was composed....Whoa!!! NO GOOD!!!!

She may have taught your daughter never to forget to put her name on a paper...but she has also taught your daughter to dislike and/or fear this teacher....she has taught your daughter that school is not fun....she has put FEAR into a little girl...what is her age 10???

She is a Child not an adult. Please this is awful...

I hope you report her to the principal...she needs to apologize to your daughter and she needs to have some compassion and understanding of these children...otherwise she should work in another field.

Hugs to you!!! And call that principal.....

Jan

Jan Rushen

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From: Theweaverfive@... <Theweaverfive@...>Subject: ( ) Just wondering what you think about this. Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 6:24 PM

This does not specifically pertain to Asperger children.... .just children in general. I was wondering what others think of an incident that happened at school with one of my neurotypical children. She is 10 years old and in the fifth grade. The class had just finished their math assignment and the teacher had them pass the papers around the room to be graded by another child. A student asked the teacher what to do if a person didn't put their name on the paper. The teacher walked over to that student picked up the paper and asked whose it was. My daughter raised her hand and said it was hers. This was the first time she had forgotten to put her name on a paper and it is only the third week of school. Anyway, the teacher proceeded to rip the paper in several pieces and told my daughter in front of the entire class that she had

to redo it and would be getting a zero on it even after she re did it. My daughter began to cry. The teacher made her go out into the hall. Out in the hall she told my daughter "Maybe next time you won't forget to put your name on the paper. Now quit crying and go to restroom until you get yourself together."

Just wondering how others would feel about this incident.

Thanks,

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September 20, 2008

In a message dated 9/19/2008 8:52:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jrushen@... writes:

she needs to apologize to your daughter

And she needs to do it infront of the other students. I agree with Jans post, that was totally uncalled for, and I would be marching into the school ASAP.

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September 20, 2008

I'd be in there and talking to the principal and........my daughter wouldn't be re-doing her paper!!!!!That's a crock!!I know if 5th grade, at least from my experience, they do start to crack down, but that was uncalled for.

Let us know what you do.

Robin

From: Theweaverfive@... <Theweaverfive@...>Subject: ( ) Just wondering what you think about this. Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 5:24 PM

This does not specifically pertain to Asperger children.... .just children in general. I was wondering what others think of an incident that happened at school with one of my neurotypical children. She is 10 years old and in the fifth grade. The class had just finished their math assignment and the teacher had them pass the papers around the room to be graded by another child. A student asked the teacher what to do if a person didn't put their name on the paper. The teacher walked over to that student picked up the paper and asked whose it was. My daughter raised her hand and said it was hers. This was the first time she had forgotten to put her name on a paper and it is only the third week of school. Anyway, the teacher proceeded to rip the paper in several pieces and told my daughter in front of the entire class that she had

to redo it and would be getting a zero on it even after she re did it. My daughter began to cry. The teacher made her go out into the hall. Out in the hall she told my daughter "Maybe next time you won't forget to put your name on the paper. Now quit crying and go to restroom until you get yourself together."

Just wondering how others would feel about this incident.

Thanks,

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September 21, 2008

,

That really stinks. In my opinion, that teacher was acting in a very unprofessional manner, being unjust, and cruel at best. If I were you (and I'm not, just sayin'), I'd take it to the principal (as Robin suggested), and I'd be sure to mention exactly what the teacher said in the room and in the hall.

Sherilyn

September 21, 2008

I think that behavior is unacceptable! Especially since it is the first

time she forgot her name...even if it would have been the 10th time.

September 21, 2008

Wonderful letter !!! I can't wait to hear how the school handles this teacher.

Sue

From: Theweaverfive@... <Theweaverfive@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Just wondering what you think about this. Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 1:57 AM

Thanks everyone for your responses. The situation occurred on Tuesday. The child mentioned has a twin and both have not attended school since that day. She is the only math teacher at the school and both girls had to attend her class. I felt her actions were abusive and felt it would be abusive on my part to allow them to go back into her classroom. Here is a letter I wrote to the Principal and Superintendent. Sorry...it's a little long. I will have to wait and see what is done. After talking to several people...I understand now that this and other abusive actions are a common occurrence with this teacher. The only regret I have is I didn't write about how my child was treated in the hall which I feel was insensitive and inappropriate. I guess I will save that for our in person conversation.

September 19, 2008

Mrs. ,

I am very concerned about how Mrs. Holt treated Kristian in the classroom on September 16, 2008. My child made a mistake and forgot to put her name on her paper (for the first time). As a result, Mrs. Holt asked whose paper it was? When Kristian raised her hand and said it was hers, Mrs. Holt "shredded" the paper in several pieces and threw it in the trash can. Afterwards, she told Kristian, "You will get a "zero" on this paper and you will also have to redo it but will not be getting a grade for it!" She stated all of this in an abusive loud tone. That kind of behavior is outrageous for a teacher to demonstrate in the classroom in front of all of Kristian's peers. Mrs. Holt acted in a manner in which I deem unprofessional as a teacher. She lacked the patience and nurturing spirit that I think a teacher should possess. As a teacher of young impressionable students, I feel it is vital that a teacher not humiliate, belittle, embarrass or

cause emotional distress to a student. She acted in a way that singled my child out and behaved in an emotionally abusive manner. I feel a teacher should encourage a love for learning by presenting and demonstrating enthusiasm for the subject matter that is being taught while engaging the students in a fashion that will create a desire and love for learning. She is managing her classroom through intimidation and that is very dangerous.If that happened at a job most adults, would not tolerate being treated in a degrading and abusive manner and would be looking for another job. These are young children that she is teaching and she is doing damage to their spirits with this type of imprinting. It certainly is not creating a relaxed classroom atmosphere where learning is considered a joy. She is scaring all of her students and teaching them that it is "okay to treat others in an abusive fashion." She is not behaving as a role model and one to look up to

and respect as a teacher. I realize that the students "do" need to be responsible and it could be frustrating to get papers without the students name on it; however, this could have been handled differently. I want my child to think about what she is doing and to be responsible, but I do know that mistakes will be made and she can learn from them. This could have been handled in a constructive manner.I have high expectations of Kristian and I do not want my child to be in a classroom if the teacher is going to have a short temper and impede Kristian's desire to a have a passion, joy and love for learning. I am hopeful that this situation can be resolved so that we can feel comfortable sending our children back to school. Please let me know what measures will be taken to ensure that our children will not be degraded, belittled and embarrassed. If there is anything that you see that we can do from our side, we are more than willing to help with the

success and growth of our child's educational endeavors.If you take the time to look back at Kristian¢s school records, and talk to her previous teachers, you will find that she is a great student, and tries her best at every task given to her. Kristian told us before the school year started that it was her goal to make straight A¢s this year, and has been putting forth a great effort.Other members of our community have approached us knowing what Kristian has gone through. Not only are the children in her class talking about the incident, children from other grades have expressed concern as well. I appreciate you assistance in this matter and look forward to working with you to meet the goal of building our child in a positive way and assist in areas that will help us to work together as a team.

Sincerely,

Lee & Weaver

In a message dated 9/19/2008 5:26:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Theweaverfive@ aol.com writes:

This does not specifically pertain to Asperger children.... .just children in general. I was wondering what others think of an incident that happened at school with one of my neurotypical children. She is 10 years old and in the fifth grade. The class had just finished their math assignment and the teacher had them pass the papers around the room to be graded by another child. A student asked the teacher what to do if a person didn't put their name on the paper. The teacher walked over to that student picked up the paper and asked whose it was. My daughter raised her hand and said it was hers. This was the first time she had forgotten to put her name on a paper and it is only the third week of school. Anyway, the teacher proceeded to rip the paper in several pieces and told my daughter in front of the entire class that she had

to redo it and would be getting a zero on it even after she re did it. My daughter began to cry. The teacher made her go out into the hall. Out in the hall she told my daughter "Maybe next time you won't forget to put your name on the paper. Now quit crying and go to restroom until you get yourself together."

Just wondering how others would feel about this incident.

Thanks,

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September 21, 2008

Wonderful letter but if you meet with the Principal...please mention that your daughter was brought to tears and sent to the hall and then to the bathroom where she was told to stay until she was composed! A 5th grader sent to the bathroom crying and told not to come back to class until she is composed ....I can't beleive it ...how cruel and insane ....how on earth is she going to compose herself and walk back in THAT ROOM!!!! Awful! Please let the principal know about that part too becuase I think that was very abusive! You poor daughter ...just think about what she did to her ...she traumatized her...frightened her...singled her out....the school should apologize and more....there is a NO BULLYING Law and guess what ....the teacher broke that ...she BULLIED your daughter and she should be ashamed of herself....

Jan

Jan Rushen

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From: Theweaverfive@ aol.com <Theweaverfive@ aol.com>Subject: Re: ( ) Just wondering what you think about this. Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 1:57 AM

Thanks everyone for your responses. The situation occurred on Tuesday. The child mentioned has a twin and both have not attended school since that day. She is the only math teacher at the school and both girls had to attend her class. I felt her actions were abusive and felt it would be abusive on my part to allow them to go back into her classroom. Here is a letter I wrote to the Principal and Superintendent. Sorry...it's a little long. I will have to wait and see what is done. After talking to several people...I understand now that this and other abusive actions are a common occurrence with this teacher. The only regret I have is I didn't write about how my child was treated in the hall which I feel was insensitive and inappropriate. I guess I will save that for our in person conversation.

September 19, 2008

Mrs. ,

I am very concerned about how Mrs. Holt treated Kristian in the classroom on September 16, 2008. My child made a mistake and forgot to put her name on her paper (for the first time). As a result, Mrs. Holt asked whose paper it was? When Kristian raised her hand and said it was hers, Mrs. Holt "shredded" the paper in several pieces and threw it in the trash can. Afterwards, she told Kristian, "You will get a "zero" on this paper and you will also have to redo it but will not be getting a grade for it!" She stated all of this in an abusive loud tone. That kind of behavior is outrageous for a teacher to demonstrate in the classroom in front of all of Kristian's peers. Mrs. Holt acted in a manner in which I deem unprofessional as a teacher. She lacked the patience and nurturing spirit that I think a teacher should possess. As a teacher of young impressionable students, I feel it is vital that a teacher not humiliate, belittle, embarrass or

cause emotional distress to a student. She acted in a way that singled my child out and behaved in an emotionally abusive manner. I feel a teacher should encourage a love for learning by presenting and demonstrating enthusiasm for the subject matter that is being taught while engaging the students in a fashion that will create a desire and love for learning. She is managing her classroom through intimidation and that is very dangerous.If that happened at a job most adults, would not tolerate being treated in a degrading and abusive manner and would be looking for another job. These are young children that she is teaching and she is doing damage to their spirits with this type of imprinting. It certainly is not creating a relaxed classroom atmosphere where learning is considered a joy. She is scaring all of her students and teaching them that it is "okay to treat others in an abusive fashion." She is not behaving as a role model and one to look up to

and respect as a teacher. I realize that the students "do" need to be responsible and it could be frustrating to get papers without the students name on it; however, this could have been handled differently. I want my child to think about what she is doing and to be responsible, but I do know that mistakes will be made and she can learn from them. This could have been handled in a constructive manner.I have high expectations of Kristian and I do not want my child to be in a classroom if the teacher is going to have a short temper and impede Kristian's desire to a have a passion, joy and love for learning. I am hopeful that this situation can be resolved so that we can feel comfortable sending our children back to school. Please let me know what measures will be taken to ensure that our children will not be degraded, belittled and embarrassed. If there is anything that you see that we can do from our side, we are more than willing to help with the

success and growth of our child's educational endeavors.If you take the time to look back at Kristian¢s school records, and talk to her previous teachers, you will find that she is a great student, and tries her best at every task given to her. Kristian told us before the school year started that it was her goal to make straight A¢s this year, and has been putting forth a great effort.Other members of our community have approached us knowing what Kristian has gone through. Not only are the children in her class talking about the incident, children from other grades have expressed concern as well. I appreciate you assistance in this matter and look forward to working with you to meet the goal of building our child in a positive way and assist in areas that will help us to work together as a team.

Sincerely,

Lee & Weaver

In a message dated 9/19/2008 5:26:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Theweaverfive@ aol.com writes:

This does not specifically pertain to Asperger children.... .just children in general. I was wondering what others think of an incident that happened at school with one of my neurotypical children. She is 10 years old and in the fifth grade. The class had just finished their math assignment and the teacher had them pass the papers around the room to be graded by another child. A student asked the teacher what to do if a person didn't put their name on the paper. The teacher walked over to that student picked up the paper and asked whose it was. My daughter raised her hand and said it was hers. This was the first time she had forgotten to put her name on a paper and it is only the third week of school. Anyway, the teacher proceeded to rip the paper in several pieces and told my daughter in front of the entire class that she had

to redo it and would be getting a zero on it even after she re did it. My daughter began to cry. The teacher made her go out into the hall. Out in the hall she told my daughter "Maybe next time you won't forget to put your name on the paper. Now quit crying and go to restroom until you get yourself together."

Just wondering how others would feel about this incident.

Thanks,

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September 21, 2008

>

> Thanks everyone for your responses. The situation occurred on

Tuesday. The

> child mentioned has a twin and both have not attended school since

that day.

Hi . My 13yo AS son has had to endure similar abuse and I know

how you feel, but I don't think keeping your kids out of school is the

answer. It puts you in the wrong as it is illegal. It is also

putting in the spotlight. Also, and her twin will be

punished as well as the teacher by having lots of homework to make up

and having missed lectures.

However, there is no use in crying over spilt milk, so to speak. At

this point, I would walk the letter in first thing Monday morning (if

you have not already delivered it) and make sure you get an

appointment with the principal or whoever ends up being the

appropriate person ASAP Monday. My suggestion would be to make sure

the twins get back to class Monday, i.e., make sure this gets resolved.

One thing I have learned from these situations is that it is most

effective to focus on making sure the school gets all the details from

your child's perspective and your own take on the situation. Give

them as much information as you can. Don't try to push the school to

commit themselves to wrong-doing and fixes. For legal purposes,

schools won't admit to wrong-doing, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY

WON'T FIX THE SITUATION. It just means they won't talk much about it

much outside of closed doors. They need to be given space to work.

Hope this helps! Good luck!

Ruth

September 21, 2008

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Let us know what you find out!

Another idea for situations like this is to go read the school's "purpose" statement. You can usually use those words to highlight how inappropriate this behavior was.

RoxannaYou're UniqueJust like everyone else...

Re: ( ) Just wondering what you think about this.

Thanks everyone for your responses. The situation occurred on Tuesday. The child mentioned has a twin and both have not attended school since that day. She is the only math teacher at the school and both girls had to attend her class. I felt her actions were abusive and felt it would be abusive on my part to allow them to go back into her classroom. Here is a letter I wrote to the Principal and Superintendent. Sorry...it's a little long. I will have to wait and see what is done. After talking to several people...I understand now that this and other abusive actions are a common occurrence with this teacher. The only regret I have is I didn't write about how my child was treated in the hall which I feel was insensitive and inappropriate. I guess I will save that for our in person conversation.

September 19, 2008

Mrs. ,

I am very concerned about how Mrs. Holt treated Kristian in the classroom on September 16, 2008. My child made a mistake and forgot to put her name on her paper (for the first time). As a result, Mrs. Holt asked whose paper it was? When Kristian raised her hand and said it was hers, Mrs. Holt "shredded" the paper in several pieces and threw it in the trash can. Afterwards, she told Kristian, "You will get a "zero" on this paper and you will also have to redo it but will not be getting a grade for it!" She stated all of this in an abusive loud tone. That kind of behavior is outrageous for a teacher to demonstrate in the classroom in front of all of Kristian's peers. Mrs. Holt acted in a manner in which I deem unprofessional as a teacher. She lacked the patience and nurturing spirit that I think a teacher should possess. As a teacher of young impressionable students, I feel it is vital that a teacher not humiliate, belittle, embarrass or cause emotional distress to a student. She acted in a way that singled my child out and behaved in an emotionally abusive manner. I feel a teacher should encourage a love for learning by presenting and demonstrating enthusiasm for the subject matter that is being taught while engaging the students in a fashion that will create a desire and love for learning. She is managing her classroom through intimidation and that is very dangerous.If that happened at a job most adults, would not tolerate being treated in a degrading and abusive manner and would be looking for another job. These are young children that she is teaching and she is doing damage to their spirits with this type of imprinting. It certainly is not creating a relaxed classroom atmosphere where learning is considered a joy. She is scaring all of her students and teaching them that it is "okay to treat others in an abusive fashion." She is not behaving as a role model and one to look up to and respect as a teacher. I realize that the students "do" need to be responsible and it could be frustrating to get papers without the students name on it; however, this could have been handled differently. I want my child to think about what she is doing and to be responsible, but I do know that mistakes will be made and she can learn from them. This could have been handled in a constructive manner.I have high expectations of Kristian and I do not want my child to be in a classroom if the teacher is going to have a short temper and impede Kristian's desire to a have a passion, joy and love for learning. I am hopeful that this situation can be resolved so that we can feel comfortable sending our children back to school. Please let me know what measures will be taken to ensure that our children will not be degraded, belittled and embarrassed. If there is anything that you see that we can do from our side, we are more than willing to help with the success and growth of our child's educational endeavors.If you take the time to look back at Kristianâ€™s school records, and talk to her previous teachers, you will find that she is a great student, and tries her best at every task given to her. Kristian told us before the school year started that it was her goal to make straight Aâ€™s this year, and has been putting forth a great effort.Other members of our community have approached us knowing what Kristian has gone through. Not only are the children in her class talking about the incident, children from other grades have expressed concern as well. I appreciate you assistance in this matter and look forward to working with you to meet the goal of building our child in a positive way and assist in areas that will help us to work together as a team.

Sincerely,

Lee & Weaver

In a message dated 9/19/2008 5:26:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Theweaverfiveaol writes:

This does not specifically pertain to Asperger children.....just children in general. I was wondering what others think of an incident that happened at school with one of my neurotypical children. She is 10 years old and in the fifth grade. The class had just finished their math assignment and the teacher had them pass the papers around the room to be graded by another child. A student asked the teacher what to do if a person didn't put their name on the paper. The teacher walked over to that student picked up the paper and asked whose it was. My daughter raised her hand and said it was hers. This was the first time she had forgotten to put her name on a paper and it is only the third week of school. Anyway, the teacher proceeded to rip the paper in several pieces and told my daughter in front of the entire class that she had to redo it and would be getting a zero on it even after she re did it. My daughter began to cry. The teacher made her go out into the hall. Out in the hall she told my daughter "Maybe next time you won't forget to put your name on the paper. Now quit crying and go to restroom until you get yourself together."

Just wondering how others would feel about this incident.

Thanks,

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September 21, 2008

That was a very nasty thing to do. Your daughter was honest and

admitted her mistake. Maybe she'd have even been willing to redo the

paper but to rip it up and tell everyone in front of the class she'd

get a zero anyway was cruel and unnecessary. What was she trying to

teach with this. Probably she was trying to teach responsibility,

but what she really taught was that people in authority can be

needlessly cruel and that there's nothing she can do about it. It

can be extremely damaging. What it CAN teach is helplessness. There

is a book called Learned Helplessness and another one called Learned

Optimism. E.P. Seligman wrote it. People who feel they are

helpless are more likely to give up and are more depressed. I

haven't read any of this stuff in a while, but I expect learned

helplessness is connected to drug abuse and crime and suicide. I'll

see if I can find out on the internet. This guy is a world known

psychology researcher from a fancy shmancy ivy league school. Maybe

your daughter's school will pay attention to it. I would be SO

angry!!

I don't think anyone in 5th grade here has experienced anything like

this. Even the teacher everyone hates isn't THAT mean. She takes

points off for late things. It's the rule, it's made clear from the

start and she doesn't need to repeat it. She takes points off for

stupid things IMHO sometimes. She's why my son is no longer taking

foreign language but we all felt he was just too stressed by it even

with the nicer French teacher. The Spanish teacher is tough to deal

with even for the typical kids, but she's not cruel.

Miriam

>

> From: Theweaverfive@... <Theweaverfive@...>

> Subject: ( ) Just wondering what you think about

this.

>

> Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 5:24 PM

>

> This does not specifically pertain to Asperger children.... .just

children in general. I was wondering what others think of an

incident that happened at school with one of my neurotypical

children. She is 10 years old and in the fifth grade. The class had

just finished their math assignment and the teacher had them pass the

papers around the room to be graded by another child. A student

asked the teacher what to do if a person didn't put their name on the

paper. The teacher walked over to that student picked up the paper

and asked whose it was. My daughter raised her hand and said it was

hers. This was the first time she had forgotten to put her name on a

paper and it is only the third week of school. Anyway, the teacher

proceeded to rip the paper in several pieces and told my daughter in

front of the entire class that she had to redo it and would be

getting a zero on it even after she re did it. My daughter began to

cry. The teacher

> made her go out into the hall. Out in the hall she told my

daughter " Maybe next time you won't forget to put your name on the

paper. Now quit crying and go to restroom until you get yourself

together. "

>

> Just wondering how others would feel about this incident.

>

> Thanks,

>

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tips and calculators.

>

September 21, 2008

Here's a link to info on Learned Helplessness. I think it would

almost certainly be a bigger problem with kids who have autism

spectrum disorders because there are so many things that are

unpleasant for them and for which they often feel they have no

control.

Typical kids, though, can be just as badly damaged by it when they

experience it. I just think AS kids are more likely to experience

it. I could see it in when he was at a very bad school in

Texas. He was miserable. I can see it in my daughter because she

constantly asks me for help in meeting new people and is very shy.

Miriam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness