Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I agree an IEP is the way to go. My son is 13 and he knows that he has a special piece of paper that lets him ask questions during a test, a chance to retake tests if he does bad and to have homework time with his resource coordinator during advisory. This has been such a relief to him that he can get this help. Janice On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:29 PM, susanonderko wrote: > YOU MUST GET AN IEP IN PLACE!!!! THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!! > If at all possible find an advocate to help. > There is a world of difference between an IEP and a 504. > What grade is your so son in? Most of these kidos have serious > issues with organization skills. If all your son really needs > is an OT session and a social skill class you could provide > that privately but is that really all he needs to be successful > in school? > > Pam > > >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I'm sure this has come up in the past and I'm new to this group, >> but here goes. My son formally received the AS diagnosis last >> month (even though we suspected for 3 years). I have petitioned >> our school district for an IEP for him so that he can get OT and >> some counseling to work on social skills. In the past, they >> promised these things for him even without a diagnosis or IEP and >> never followed through. Now the district came to me yesterday and >> said they would prefer and 504 plan for my son. They told me that >> it would be likely that at the CSE meeting that they would refuse >> to give him an IEP and refer us to the committee that handles the >> 504 plans. Can they refuse a child an IEP with AS? >> >> Also she (the school psychologist) said that IEP's make the >> student feel " stupid " (her wording) and that when you have a child >> with already low self esteem being in special education makes this >> worse. >> >> We have another son with an IEP and we've never made a big deal >> out of it, so I don't believe he feels " stupid " . All I know is >> that I want the district to be held accountable for giving him the >> services that he needs and if getting an IEP ensures this, then >> that's what we want. >> >> She also couldn't explain much between the difference between an >> IEP and the 504 plans and my husband and I are feeling very >> overwhelmed. They are trying to rush the process because they >> don't want to have to have a meeting over the summer. >> >> Can someone please help and give us some input? >> Thanks so much! >> Jenn >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 It's important to remember that Section 504 is mandatory and NOT optional. They might say it is optional, lol, but it's not. It's a civil rights law and applies to all people with disabilities to provide equal access. Roxanna Autism Happens ( ) Re: IEP or 504? The main difference between the IEP and the 504 is that the IEP is mandatory and legally binding, and that the 504 is more like a list of recommendations for teachers and staff that they can choose or not choose to follow. I don't believe for a minute that the school psychologist doesn't know the difference between a 504 and an IEP. Her silence speaks volumes. I'm reading between the lines of your post and suspect that she is not recommending the 504 because the school district probably has a plan for ED students, but not for the the AS students. You really want an IEP in place for your son. The 504 is only good if the everyone your son comes into contact with at the school decides to follow the recommendations. The IEP will not make your son feel stupid. It will level the playing field and give him a chance to succeed. It will protect him from teachers who don't believe or don't understand his diagnosis and have their own theories of how to "fix" your son's "disobedience". I recommend getting an advocate to come with you to the next IEP meeting to help you work with district in getting an IEP that has the appropriate accommodations for your son. Tape the meeting. Don't mean to sound so negative. It's just that I don't want your son to have the same bad experiences that my son did in the public schools. I spent too many years being nice and going along with what I was being told while my son kept falling through the cracks. I was told over and over that he couldn't get services because he was so intelligent. Finally he reached a point where he could not even enter the school building - he was so stressed and he felt like such a failure. I feel awful now that I know what was going on in the classroom behind my back and don't want your son to suffer. Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Yes, an IEP is good, but let me tell you about my 18 yr. old son. He is in a program at our local hospital for people with disabilitlies.. I never would have known about the program if we didn't find out from our sons pyschologist, who heard from another parent, (so the school dropped the ball on this one). It's a career/vocational/life skills program, and he actually works there and learns, and gets paid minimum wage. I'm so happy he is in the program, as he is finally making friends and is getting social. The school wants to graduate our son this year (he is a senior) but he can stay in the program until he is 21 if approved. The school, of course, wants him to receive his diploma so they can be done with their obigatory so called free and appropritate education.. (What the hell is so free about it??? I pay my taxes, as do all of our neighbors, at least I think they do LOL) Well, we hired a lawyer to fight it and as of yet do not know what is going to happen. Our son is doing great academically, but it's the social/emotional that he needs help with. I don't know about other aspies, but our son has a very hard time with change. He is just getting used to this program (which he started last September). It takes him awhile to adjust to change, and it's finally happening. To pull him out of this program now, to go to college or work would be so detrimental to him. Anyway, sorry if I bored you all, but just thought I'd give a little info. It may help down the road. Good luck to all and God Bless Sharon From: Tamaoki <tamaoki_s@...>Subject: ( ) Re: IEP or 504? Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 1:26 PM The main difference between the IEP and the 504 is that the IEP is mandatory and legally binding, and that the 504 is more like a list of recommendations for teachers and staff that they can choose or not choose to follow. I don't believe for a minute that the school psychologist doesn't know the difference between a 504 and an IEP. Her silence speaks volumes. I'm reading between the lines of your post and suspect that she is not recommending the 504 because the school district probably has a plan for ED students, but not for the the AS students. You really want an IEP in place for your son. The 504 is only good if the everyone your son comes into contact with at the school decides to follow the recommendations. The IEP will not make your son feel stupid. It will level the playing field and give him a chance to succeed. It will protect him from teachers who don't believe or don't understand his diagnosis and have their own theories of how to "fix" your son's "disobedience" . I recommend getting an advocate to come with you to the next IEP meeting to help you work with district in getting an IEP that has the appropriate accommodations for your son. Tape the meeting. Don't mean to sound so negative. It's just that I don't want your son to have the same bad experiences that my son did in the public schools. I spent too many years being nice and going along with what I was being told while my son kept falling through the cracks. I was told over and over that he couldn't get services because he was so intelligent. Finally he reached a point where he could not even enter the school building - he was so stressed and he felt like such a failure. I feel awful now that I know what was going on in the classroom behind my back and don't want your son to suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Hi Sharon, Your message is not boring at all. I am surprised to hear that the school is giving you a hard time about delaying graduation but I shouldn't be surprised. Let us know how that goes. My school has been great about it and they don't push anyone to leave. I did hear from one lady who lives in another district that they automatically tell sped parents not to worry about the schedules since these kids can go extra years to school. lol. It kind of defeats one purpose of educating them appropriately to have them all delay graduation. I guess all schools have issues somewhere. Roxanna Autism Happens ( ) Re: IEP or 504? Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 1:26 PM The main difference between the IEP and the 504 is that the IEP is mandatory and legally binding, and that the 504 is more like a list of recommendations for teachers and staff that they can choose or not choose to follow. I don't believe for a minute that the school psychologist doesn't know the difference between a 504 and an IEP. Her silence speaks volumes. I'm reading between the lines of your post and suspect that she is not recommending the 504 because the school district probably has a plan for ED students, but not for the the AS students. You really want an IEP in place for your son. The 504 is only good if the everyone your son comes into contact with at the school decides to follow the recommendations. The IEP will not make your son feel stupid. It will level the playing field and give him a chance to succeed. It will protect him from teachers who don't believe or don't understand his diagnosis and have their own theories of how to "fix" your son's "disobedience" . I recommend getting an advocate to come with you to the next IEP meeting to help you work with district in getting an IEP that has the appropriate accommodations for your son. Tape the meeting. Don't mean to sound so negative. It's just that I don't want your son to have the same bad experiences that my son did in the public schools. I spent too many years being nice and going along with what I was being told while my son kept falling through the cracks. I was told over and over that he couldn't get services because he was so intelligent. Finally he reached a point where he could not even enter the school building - he was so stressed and he felt like such a failure. I feel awful now that I know what was going on in the classroom behind my back and don't want your son to suffer. Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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