Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Jan, Yes, I signed a paper that just says I was at this CSE meeting. I've never - not once, signed the IEP papers. No one said I had to. the goals never changed nor did the dates or the progress reports. I mentioned this to one advocate and she said to me - that means he's not progressing at all. (but did anyone check to see?) I'm telling you all through elementary school they did nothing for my son! nothing! If I didn't take him to tutors and a private skills group and therapist to work with him. God only knows where he would be today. He would be so much further behind... At that time I had so much going on that I just thought this is how it is. BUT, now that my son is in middle school and I noticed it saying case manager /none, & Draft IEP. that's when I started asking questions on this site to explain this to me. I have all his past IEP papers and progress reports and goals all with the same things written the same way with no changes. It looks like they made copies of the same IEP papers for all those years. just some of the teachers names where changed. you know, they were even challenging all his medical doctors that specialize in autism - including his autism research specialist. they kept calling and the specialist kept advocating for us. they finally stopped saying "we don't see it"...This was the first year I had someone help us. I mean really help us..not once did she say - we don't see it...T.G..Rose From: rushen janice <jrushen@...> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 5:29:53 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Question? - Roxanna What???? You never signed anything...what about the NOREP??? They can't do that!!!! It is illegal!!!!! And, they can reuse the IEP but the dates have to change and I would think his goals would change too!!! And, what about the progress reports you are to get quarterly? Showing if he is making progress and meeting goals. His goals can not be the same each year??? He is at different levels. What state do you live in? This sound ALL wrong to me. Roxanna would probably know the best.... But I do know you need to sign paper work...did you ever sign for attending the meetings? That is to be done too! Wow! Jan Janice Rushen "I will try to be open to all avenues of wisdom and hope" From: Rose <beachbodytan2002>Subject: Re: ( ) Question? - Roxanna Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 3:15 PM Roxanna, My son had an IEP from day 1. he's never been without one. And all through elementary school I have never seen a draft nor have I ever signed for anything. This draft makes more sense. as a matter of fact. he had the same IEP from K-5 and it has never changed. Not even the date. I've mentioned to them that this was the wrong year on his IEP (while in Elementary school) and they said - there aren't any changes so we'll leave it as is. * So, for anyone reading this that doesn't know. Please read your child's IEP and check everything. Including the date/year - classification - and of course the goals. maybe include in the IEP for your child to have progress reports each day, week or month depending on your child's needs. Communication with the teacher as needed. any concerns, (melt downs, fights, behavior) or incomplete anything - call or e-mail parent ASAP. > I say this because our kids get the blame for everything and don't speak up for themselves. Maybe with the parent knowing what happened - this can be explained better. Also, some teachers aren't familiar with HFA. they can misunderstand the child as being rude or disrespectful, etc.. Not all, but each school has a few... I can't believe how much my son lost out on while in elementary school. and how much stress this caused me and him because I had to take him to tutors after school because the school " didn't see it ". But now they do because he is so far behind. (wonder why)thanks for reading this Rose From: Roxanna <MadIdeasaol (DOT) com> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:32:52 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Question? - Ruth The IEP that is written before the meeting should always be a "draft IEP." This is because the IEP goals are supposed to be written and agreed to by the IEP team - which includes the parent. When you go over the IEP, you can add to it or ask to have things taken out or discuss things you want worded differently. You can even request a copy of the draft IEP before the meeting to go over it, if you want to. You can write goals and objectives yourself to add to the IEP as well. Then once everyone has gone over everything and agreed to it, it gets signed. Then it is the official IEP. RoxannaAutism Happens Re: ( ) Question? >> A case manager is the teacher who works with your student, she/he writes the IEP, handles your child's case, oversees everything. Who wrote the IEP???? My son's IEP was written by the school diagnostician, in conference with all his core teachers (all general ed) and with reference to the autism team's recommendations. Since this is his first IEP, he doesn't have a case manager yet. They call case managers "monitoring teachers" in our school district. And, as you know, what the case manager is writing is the first draft of the IEP. The IEP is finalized in a full team meeting that includes the parent(s). Ruth Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Boy did they do you wrong....how can they have the same goals all thru elementary...for instance....XYZ will write 24 words in 3 minutes forming a sentence with correct punction....or XYZ will read 31 words a minute or XYZ will write a paragraph for 3 minute which contains correct sentence structure blah blah blah. Now how could they keep these same goals for all the years ....I know they are at a higher level...but say in 1st grade... Goal: Jonny will read simple sentences. or ny will read 20 words in a min. etc. The goals can't stay the same...and if he isn't progressing ...then changes need to be made and if he is progressing ...goals need to be change also.... I will have to look at my son's IEP....I don't think I sign the actual IEP but a cover sheet and a NOREP as well as attendance sheet and a sheet stating that the school gave me the information on IDEA and my son's rights as well as mine and where and who to contact if need be. Do you have an advocate? Get one...and go to the meeting with him/her. If they can't attend...take a friend, neighbor, someone...don't go alone. I will write more tomorrow...I have to go to bed...I get up at 5 am ...school starts at 7 am and it takes me 20 min. or so to go up the mountain. Later... Jan Janice Rushen "I will try to be open to all avenues of wisdom and hope" From: Rose <beachbodytan2002>Subject: Re: ( ) Question? - Roxanna Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 3:15 PM Roxanna, My son had an IEP from day 1. he's never been without one. And all through elementary school I have never seen a draft nor have I ever signed for anything. This draft makes more sense. as a matter of fact. he had the same IEP from K-5 and it has never changed. Not even the date. I've mentioned to them that this was the wrong year on his IEP (while in Elementary school) and they said - there aren't any changes so we'll leave it as is. * So, for anyone reading this that doesn't know. Please read your child's IEP and check everything. Including the date/year - classification - and of course the goals. maybe include in the IEP for your child to have progress reports each day, week or month depending on your child's needs. Communication with the teacher as needed. any concerns, (melt downs, fights, behavior) or incomplete anything - call or e-mail parent ASAP. > I say this because our kids get the blame for everything and don't speak up for themselves. Maybe with the parent knowing what happened - this can be explained better. Also, some teachers aren't familiar with HFA. they can misunderstand the child as being rude or disrespectful, etc.. Not all, but each school has a few... I can't believe how much my son lost out on while in elementary school. and how much stress this caused me and him because I had to take him to tutors after school because the school " didn't see it ". But now they do because he is so far behind. (wonder why)thanks for reading this Rose From: Roxanna <MadIdeasaol (DOT) com> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:32:52 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Question? - Ruth The IEP that is written before the meeting should always be a "draft IEP." This is because the IEP goals are supposed to be written and agreed to by the IEP team - which includes the parent. When you go over the IEP, you can add to it or ask to have things taken out or discuss things you want worded differently. You can even request a copy of the draft IEP before the meeting to go over it, if you want to. You can write goals and objectives yourself to add to the IEP as well. Then once everyone has gone over everything and agreed to it, it gets signed. Then it is the official IEP. RoxannaAutism Happens Re: ( ) Question? >> A case manager is the teacher who works with your student, she/he writes the IEP, handles your child's case, oversees everything. Who wrote the IEP???? My son's IEP was written by the school diagnostician, in conference with all his core teachers (all general ed) and with reference to the autism team's recommendations. Since this is his first IEP, he doesn't have a case manager yet. They call case managers "monitoring teachers" in our school district. And, as you know, what the case manager is writing is the first draft of the IEP. The IEP is finalized in a full team meeting that includes the parent(s). Ruth Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 ****The goals can't stay the same...and if he isn't progressing ...then changes need to be made and if he is progressing ...goals need to be change also.... That's just it, they never changed - nothing, not even the date...it's like someone got away with not updating his IEP's. nor checking out to see why he hasn't progressed. no one even cared!. I brought this to the attention of one teacher. (while still in elementary school) I thought by mistake they gave me the wrong IEP from a few years back and they said nope! that's this years IEP. they said with the same goals...that's why they didn't change the date on it because there weren't any changes????? This IEP - now first year in middle school was the first ever that it changed. that's why it stuck out lik hot pink on black & white paper. I had to read it a few times to make sure it did said - IEP... I couldn't believe it... From: rushen janice <jrushen@...> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 9:56:57 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Question? - Roxanna Boy did they do you wrong....how can they have the same goals all thru elementary.. .for instance.... XYZ will write 24 words in 3 minutes forming a sentence with correct punction.... or XYZ will read 31 words a minute or XYZ will write a paragraph for 3 minute which contains correct sentence structure blah blah blah. Now how could they keep these same goals for all the years ....I know they are at a higher level...but say in 1st grade... Goal: Jonny will read simple sentences. or ny will read 20 words in a min. etc. The goals can't stay the same...and if he isn't progressing ...then changes need to be made and if he is progressing ...goals need to be change also.... I will have to look at my son's IEP....I don't think I sign the actual IEP but a cover sheet and a NOREP as well as attendance sheet and a sheet stating that the school gave me the information on IDEA and my son's rights as well as mine and where and who to contact if need be. Do you have an advocate? Get one...and go to the meeting with him/her. If they can't attend...take a friend, neighbor, someone...don' t go alone. I will write more tomorrow...I have to go to bed...I get up at 5 am ...school starts at 7 am and it takes me 20 min. or so to go up the mountain. Later... Jan Janice Rushen "I will try to be open to all avenues of wisdom and hope" From: Rose <beachbodytan2002>Subject: Re: ( ) Question? - Roxanna Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 3:15 PM Roxanna, My son had an IEP from day 1. he's never been without one. And all through elementary school I have never seen a draft nor have I ever signed for anything. This draft makes more sense. as a matter of fact. he had the same IEP from K-5 and it has never changed. Not even the date. I've mentioned to them that this was the wrong year on his IEP (while in Elementary school) and they said - there aren't any changes so we'll leave it as is. * So, for anyone reading this that doesn't know. Please read your child's IEP and check everything. Including the date/year - classification - and of course the goals. maybe include in the IEP for your child to have progress reports each day, week or month depending on your child's needs. Communication with the teacher as needed. any concerns, (melt downs, fights, behavior) or incomplete anything - call or e-mail parent ASAP. > I say this because our kids get the blame for everything and don't speak up for themselves. Maybe with the parent knowing what happened - this can be explained better. Also, some teachers aren't familiar with HFA. they can misunderstand the child as being rude or disrespectful, etc.. Not all, but each school has a few... I can't believe how much my son lost out on while in elementary school. and how much stress this caused me and him because I had to take him to tutors after school because the school " didn't see it ". But now they do because he is so far behind. (wonder why)thanks for reading this Rose From: Roxanna <MadIdeasaol (DOT) com> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:32:52 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Question? - Ruth The IEP that is written before the meeting should always be a "draft IEP." This is because the IEP goals are supposed to be written and agreed to by the IEP team - which includes the parent. When you go over the IEP, you can add to it or ask to have things taken out or discuss things you want worded differently. You can even request a copy of the draft IEP before the meeting to go over it, if you want to. You can write goals and objectives yourself to add to the IEP as well. Then once everyone has gone over everything and agreed to it, it gets signed. Then it is the official IEP. RoxannaAutism Happens Re: ( ) Question? >> A case manager is the teacher who works with your student, she/he writes the IEP, handles your child's case, oversees everything. Who wrote the IEP???? My son's IEP was written by the school diagnostician, in conference with all his core teachers (all general ed) and with reference to the autism team's recommendations. Since this is his first IEP, he doesn't have a case manager yet. They call case managers "monitoring teachers" in our school district. And, as you know, what the case manager is writing is the first draft of the IEP. The IEP is finalized in a full team meeting that includes the parent(s). Ruth Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 OMG...that is terrible...the things schools get away with if the parent doesn't know!!! Good thing we have each other and s Law....that is a great site!!! Jan Janice Rushen "I will try to be open to all avenues of wisdom and hope" From: Rose <beachbodytan2002>Subject: Re: ( ) Question? - Roxanna Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 3:15 PM Roxanna, My son had an IEP from day 1. he's never been without one. And all through elementary school I have never seen a draft nor have I ever signed for anything. This draft makes more sense. as a matter of fact. he had the same IEP from K-5 and it has never changed. Not even the date. I've mentioned to them that this was the wrong year on his IEP (while in Elementary school) and they said - there aren't any changes so we'll leave it as is. * So, for anyone reading this that doesn't know. Please read your child's IEP and check everything. Including the date/year - classification - and of course the goals. maybe include in the IEP for your child to have progress reports each day, week or month depending on your child's needs. Communication with the teacher as needed. any concerns, (melt downs, fights, behavior) or incomplete anything - call or e-mail parent ASAP. > I say this because our kids get the blame for everything and don't speak up for themselves. Maybe with the parent knowing what happened - this can be explained better. Also, some teachers aren't familiar with HFA. they can misunderstand the child as being rude or disrespectful, etc.. Not all, but each school has a few... I can't believe how much my son lost out on while in elementary school. and how much stress this caused me and him because I had to take him to tutors after school because the school " didn't see it ". But now they do because he is so far behind. (wonder why)thanks for reading this Rose From: Roxanna <MadIdeasaol (DOT) com> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:32:52 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Question? - Ruth The IEP that is written before the meeting should always be a "draft IEP." This is because the IEP goals are supposed to be written and agreed to by the IEP team - which includes the parent. When you go over the IEP, you can add to it or ask to have things taken out or discuss things you want worded differently. You can even request a copy of the draft IEP before the meeting to go over it, if you want to. You can write goals and objectives yourself to add to the IEP as well. Then once everyone has gone over everything and agreed to it, it gets signed. Then it is the official IEP. RoxannaAutism Happens Re: ( ) Question? >> A case manager is the teacher who works with your student, she/he writes the IEP, handles your child's case, oversees everything. Who wrote the IEP???? My son's IEP was written by the school diagnostician, in conference with all his core teachers (all general ed) and with reference to the autism team's recommendations. Since this is his first IEP, he doesn't have a case manager yet. They call case managers "monitoring teachers" in our school district. And, as you know, what the case manager is writing is the first draft of the IEP. The IEP is finalized in a full team meeting that includes the parent(s). Ruth Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Jan, and I love you all!...this is a great site to learn form each other - and from each others mistakes. I know, I've made enough of them and willing to share so no one makes these mistakes. Yes, the wrights law is a great site!. From: rushen janice <jrushen@...> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 5:14:20 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Question? - Roxanna OMG...that is terrible...the things schools get away with if the parent doesn't know!!! Good thing we have each other and s Law....that is a great site!!! Jan Janice Rushen "I will try to be open to all avenues of wisdom and hope" From: Rose <beachbodytan2002>Subject: Re: ( ) Question? - Roxanna Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 3:15 PM Roxanna, My son had an IEP from day 1. he's never been without one. And all through elementary school I have never seen a draft nor have I ever signed for anything. This draft makes more sense. as a matter of fact. he had the same IEP from K-5 and it has never changed. Not even the date. I've mentioned to them that this was the wrong year on his IEP (while in Elementary school) and they said - there aren't any changes so we'll leave it as is. * So, for anyone reading this that doesn't know. Please read your child's IEP and check everything. Including the date/year - classification - and of course the goals. maybe include in the IEP for your child to have progress reports each day, week or month depending on your child's needs. Communication with the teacher as needed. any concerns, (melt downs, fights, behavior) or incomplete anything - call or e-mail parent ASAP. > I say this because our kids get the blame for everything and don't speak up for themselves. Maybe with the parent knowing what happened - this can be explained better. Also, some teachers aren't familiar with HFA. they can misunderstand the child as being rude or disrespectful, etc.. Not all, but each school has a few... I can't believe how much my son lost out on while in elementary school. and how much stress this caused me and him because I had to take him to tutors after school because the school " didn't see it ". But now they do because he is so far behind. (wonder why)thanks for reading this Rose From: Roxanna <MadIdeasaol (DOT) com> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:32:52 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Question? - Ruth The IEP that is written before the meeting should always be a "draft IEP." This is because the IEP goals are supposed to be written and agreed to by the IEP team - which includes the parent. When you go over the IEP, you can add to it or ask to have things taken out or discuss things you want worded differently. You can even request a copy of the draft IEP before the meeting to go over it, if you want to. You can write goals and objectives yourself to add to the IEP as well. Then once everyone has gone over everything and agreed to it, it gets signed. Then it is the official IEP. RoxannaAutism Happens Re: ( ) Question? >> A case manager is the teacher who works with your student, she/he writes the IEP, handles your child's case, oversees everything. Who wrote the IEP???? My son's IEP was written by the school diagnostician, in conference with all his core teachers (all general ed) and with reference to the autism team's recommendations. Since this is his first IEP, he doesn't have a case manager yet. They call case managers "monitoring teachers" in our school district. And, as you know, what the case manager is writing is the first draft of the IEP. The IEP is finalized in a full team meeting that includes the parent(s). Ruth Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Sounds like they were a really lazy group of folks. If a child isn't meeting his goals, you have a few options. You can reuse the same goals but I would do that only if they are really achievable goals. Then you might consider changing how these goals are implemented. For instance, if he has a goal to read at level 18 by the end of the year and he hasn't done that and you want to reuse that goal, what will be done differently so that he will meet that goal this time? More tutoring? A different approach/program? Roxanna Autism Happens Re: ( ) Question? > > A case manager is the teacher who works with your student, she/he writes the IEP, handles your child's case, oversees everything. Who wrote the IEP???? My son's IEP was written by the school diagnostician, in conference with all his core teachers (all general ed) and with reference to the autism team's recommendations. Since this is his first IEP, he doesn't have a case manager yet. They call case managers "monitoring teachers" in our school district. And, as you know, what the case manager is writing is the first draft of the IEP. The IEP is finalized in a full team meeting that includes the parent(s). Ruth Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 That is such a shame, Rose. I wonder how these people can live with themselves in a job where they are doing nothing. I just could never exist that way. How can they? I'm glad you are getting some real help now. Keep on top of them! If something doesn't seem right, it probably isn't. Just ask here and someone here will help find the information you need. Roxanna Autism Happens Re: ( ) Question? > > A case manager is the teacher who works with your student, she/he writes the IEP, handles your child's case, oversees everything. Who wrote the IEP???? My son's IEP was written by the school diagnostician, in conference with all his core teachers (all general ed) and with reference to the autism team's recommendations. Since this is his first IEP, he doesn't have a case manager yet. They call case managers "monitoring teachers" in our school district. And, as you know, what the case manager is writing is the first draft of the IEP. The IEP is finalized in a full team meeting that includes the parent(s). Ruth Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Wow, Jan, you still have school? We are DONE DONE DONE!!! lol. Roxanna Autism Happens Re: ( ) Question? > > A case manager is the teacher who works with your student, she/he writes the IEP, handles your child's case, oversees everything. Who wrote the IEP???? My son's IEP was written by the school diagnostician, in conference with all his core teachers (all general ed) and with reference to the autism team's recommendations. Since this is his first IEP, he doesn't have a case manager yet. They call case managers "monitoring teachers" in our school district. And, as you know, what the case manager is writing is the first draft of the IEP. The IEP is finalized in a full team meeting that includes the parent(s). Ruth Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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