Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 It is annoying, but pediatricians' bread is buttered by vaccinations, and buttered again treating the chronic diseases they cause. I feel your pain! Does your state have a philosophical exemption? > > so horribly frustrated. We were sure that our doctor would understand > our stance. She has been our family physician for years and she just > came off of maternity leave to find that our baby had yet to be > vaccinated. We presented our case with loads of research and even > went so far as to tell her that we were not trying to undermind her > authority on medicine and still she is insistant on vaccinating. > apparently our doctors office can refuse patients that are non > vaccinated. I can't help to think that the pharmaceutical companies > are lining the pockets of politicians to assure that completely > unnecessary vaccines are mandatory. to hell with the welfare of our > children. Who would ever have thought to inject an aborted fetus > embryo in a person to " prevent " a disease. We are potentially > stunting the future of our country. Autism could be one of the > harsher effects of vaccinating, but what if there are seemingly minor > effects we would never see? Maybe certain motor skills will be harder > to gain for certain children? Never knowing this, we might just > assume these are just personality traits when in fact a piece of our > child is missing. Medicinal decisions should ALWAYS be by choice. I'm > not one to jump on a bandwagon, or dare to step away from the norm > just for the sake of individuality. I know so much about vaccines now > because I make informed decisions. I am an educated person, and > continue to be educated. Why won't my wishes be respected on an > ethical level? I claim NO stakes to religion and flat refuse to use > it as a loop hole to cheat the system. I simply want someone to > respect my opinion as a concerned parent and leave well enough alone. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 nope. we live in Kentucky. I don't think they can pronounce the word philosophical. With the knowledge we have gained, and we see the beautiful bright smile of our child glow, and then take him in for these vaccines because we are bound by our states Vaccination laws, i will be horribly devistated if he is one of the unfortunate souls that suffer the worst side effects. i will just die. B <EMMJTM@...> wrote: It is annoying, but pediatricians' bread is buttered by vaccinations, and buttered again treating the chronic diseases they cause. I feel your pain! Does your state have a philosophical exemption? > > so horribly frustrated. We were sure that our doctor would understand > our stance. She has been our family physician for years and she just > came off of maternity leave to find that our baby had yet to be > vaccinated. We presented our case with loads of research and even > went so far as to tell her that we were not trying to undermind her > authority on medicine and still she is insistant on vaccinating. > apparently our doctors office can refuse patients that are non > vaccinated. I can't help to think that the pharmaceutical companies > are lining the pockets of politicians to assure that completely > unnecessary vaccines are mandatory. to hell with the welfare of our > children. Who would ever have thought to inject an aborted fetus > embryo in a person to " prevent " a disease. We are potentially > stunting the future of our country. Autism could be one of the > harsher effects of vaccinating, but what if there are seemingly minor > effects we would never see? Maybe certain motor skills will be harder > to gain for certain children? Never knowing this, we might just > assume these are just personality traits when in fact a piece of our > child is missing. Medicinal decisions should ALWAYS be by choice. I'm > not one to jump on a bandwagon, or dare to step away from the norm > just for the sake of individuality. I know so much about vaccines now > because I make informed decisions. I am an educated person, and > continue to be educated. Why won't my wishes be respected on an > ethical level? I claim NO stakes to religion and flat refuse to use > it as a loop hole to cheat the system. I simply want someone to > respect my opinion as a concerned parent and leave well enough alone. > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 You are not bound by any laws to get vaccinations! The only thing you need to do is find a new doctor that will support your decision! The doctor will try to do all she can to make you think that you have to get the vaccines but you do NOT have to vaccinate just because the doctor thinks you should. You are right, you know to much to get it done, so don't do it! If the doctor says it is the law, then ask her to provide the laws that state it has to be done. When she shows you this it will also show that the parent is allowed a religious exemption, and she can't ask for any details on that. http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/kentucky.htm Here is the link to give you more info about your rights as the parent. Marci > > nope. we live in Kentucky. I don't think they can pronounce the word philosophical. With the knowledge we have gained, and we see the beautiful bright smile of our child glow, and then take him in for these vaccines because we are bound by our states Vaccination laws, i will be horribly devistated if he is one of the unfortunate souls that suffer the worst side effects. i will just die. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I'm in KY too - WAY out in the hollars. I moved here from CA and was worried about what would become of my choice to not vax. I'm and not really religious and didn't want go that route. BUT most people out here where I'm at will be more willing to believe my *religious convictions* than *philosophical reasonings.* is only 22 months - almost 23 and I quit vaxes at 15 months. H isn't ready for school or going to daycare, but in order to make sure he has a primary physician, I am willing to use the religious waiver. If they question my *religious convictions* I can show them where in the Bible and they are more likely to believe what God has to say than what I feel. -Kristi > > nope. we live in Kentucky. I don't think they can pronounce the word philosophical. With the knowledge we have gained, and we see the beautiful bright smile of our child glow, and then take him in for these vaccines because we are bound by our states Vaccination laws, i will be horribly devistated if he is one of the unfortunate souls that suffer the worst side effects. i will just die. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 We are Sheeple and other countries are starting or have been out doing us in so many ways for a while now.This is no accident friends.That's all I have to say.You can figure out the rest.Lori B <EMMJTM@...> wrote: It is annoying, but pediatricians' bread is buttered by vaccinations, and buttered again treating the chronic diseases they cause. I feel your pain! Does your state have a philosophical exemption? > > so horribly frustrated. We were sure that our doctor would understand > our stance. She has been our family physician for years and she just > came off of maternity leave to find that our baby had yet to be > vaccinated. We presented our case with loads of research and even > went so far as to tell her that we were not trying to undermind her > authority on medicine and still she is insistant on vaccinating. > apparently our doctors office can refuse patients that are non > vaccinated. I can't help to think that the pharmaceutical companies > are lining the pockets of politicians to assure that completely > unnecessary vaccines are mandatory. to hell with the welfare of our > children. Who would ever have thought to inject an aborted fetus > embryo in a person to " prevent " a disease. We are potentially > stunting the future of our country. Autism could be one of the > harsher effects of vaccinating, but what if there are seemingly minor > effects we would never see? Maybe certain motor skills will be harder > to gain for certain children? Never knowing this, we might just > assume these are just personality traits when in fact a piece of our > child is missing. Medicinal decisions should ALWAYS be by choice. I'm > not one to jump on a bandwagon, or dare to step away from the norm > just for the sake of individuality. I know so much about vaccines now > because I make informed decisions. I am an educated person, and > continue to be educated. Why won't my wishes be respected on an > ethical level? I claim NO stakes to religion and flat refuse to use > it as a loop hole to cheat the system. I simply want someone to > respect my opinion as a concerned parent and leave well enough alone. > --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I don’t agree using the religious exemption cheats the system. It’s the only way to go sometimes.. states don’t all allow a philosophical exemption and it’s the only way to be left alone Your wishes won’t be respected on an ethical level b/c the vaccines are part of the psyche and they’re built around the belief system that has been honed for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS.. they are the sacred cow of medicine. I would point out to her that any doctor refusing to treat a patient that refuses to be vaccinated is employing Gestapo techniques and is acting unethically themselves. YOU pay HER and not vice versa. You can agree to disagree and act professionally. Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1236 - Release Date: 1/21/2008 8:23 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9 - Release Date: 1/22/2008 12:00 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 How can you use religous exemption? I think NJ does not allow philosophical exemption. Venita Garner <nitagarner@...> wrote: I don’t agree using the religious exemption cheats the system. It’s the only way to go sometimes.. states don’t all allow a philosophical exemption and it’s the only way to be left alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I would go religious... my DD has a medical exemption and if I can't get one for my DS, who is probably a celiac due to vaccines, that is the route I might go. And according to the law, no one is allowed to question your religious beliefs, or ask to talk to your pastor, or anything of that nature. Just show them the Bill of Rights. Just my 2C! > > nope. we live in Kentucky. I don't think they can pronounce the word philosophical. With the knowledge we have gained, and we see the beautiful bright smile of our child glow, and then take him in for these vaccines because we are bound by our states Vaccination laws, i will be horribly devistated if he is one of the unfortunate souls that suffer the worst side effects. i will just die. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I agree--the religious exemption is PART of the system. There's no cheating involved when you play by the rules. Don't ever feel guilty for claiming one. You are within your legal rights to--and you'd be surprised how many people do. Winnie RE: GRRRRRR Vaccinations > I don’t agree using the religious exemption cheats the system. > It’s the > only way to go sometimes.. states don’t all allow a philosophical > exemption and it’s the only way to be left alone > > > > Your wishes won’t be respected on an ethical level b/c the > vaccines are > part of the psyche and they’re built around the belief system > that has > been honed for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS.. they are the sacred > cow of > medicine. > > > > I would point out to her that any doctor refusing to treat a patient > that refuses to be vaccinated is employing Gestapo techniques > and is > acting unethically themselves. YOU pay HER and not vice versa. > You can > agree to disagree and act professionally. > > > > Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, > Christian(7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 > Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long > enough to make them all yourself. > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1236 - Release Date: > 1/21/2008 8:23 PM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9 - Release Date: 1/22/2008 > 12:00 AM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 i am not going to feel guilty. i refuse to claim religious beliefs to avoid vaccinations because i am atheist and that would be wrong in my heart. i just want my feelings for my childs future to be respected. medical decisions should be 100% voluntary. wharrison@... wrote: I agree--the religious exemption is PART of the system. There's no cheating involved when you play by the rules. Don't ever feel guilty for claiming one. You are within your legal rights to--and you'd be surprised how many people do. Winnie RE: GRRRRRR Vaccinations > I don’t agree using the religious exemption cheats the system. > It’s the > only way to go sometimes.. states don’t all allow a philosophical > exemption and it’s the only way to be left alone > > > > Your wishes won’t be respected on an ethical level b/c the > vaccines are > part of the psyche and they’re built around the belief system > that has > been honed for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS.. they are the sacred > cow of > medicine. > > > > I would point out to her that any doctor refusing to treat a patient > that refuses to be vaccinated is employing Gestapo techniques > and is > acting unethically themselves. YOU pay HER and not vice versa. > You can > agree to disagree and act professionally. > > > > Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, > Christian(7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 > Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long > enough to make them all yourself. > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1236 - Release Date: > 1/21/2008 8:23 PM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9 - Release Date: 1/22/2008 > 12:00 AM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 i am atheist. i am also educated, and have done my research. i will homeschool my child before i succumb to lying because my personal opinion is not respected about my child's welfare. B <EMMJTM@...> wrote: I would go religious... my DD has a medical exemption and if I can't get one for my DS, who is probably a celiac due to vaccines, that is the route I might go. And according to the law, no one is allowed to question your religious beliefs, or ask to talk to your pastor, or anything of that nature. Just show them the Bill of Rights. Just my 2C! > > nope. we live in Kentucky. I don't think they can pronounce the word philosophical. With the knowledge we have gained, and we see the beautiful bright smile of our child glow, and then take him in for these vaccines because we are bound by our states Vaccination laws, i will be horribly devistated if he is one of the unfortunate souls that suffer the worst side effects. i will just die. > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I understand and respect your view on lying, but it isn't really lying. I am also an athiest and it can also be considered a religion, at least by these definitions: 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion. 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions. 4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion. 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith. 6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice. Numbers 2, 3, and 6 could even be used to describe most of our views regarding vaccinations. Sara ---- trina stockes <trina_s_73@...> wrote: > i am not going to feel guilty. i refuse to claim religious beliefs to avoid vaccinations because i am atheist and that would be wrong in my heart. i just want my feelings for my childs future to be respected. medical decisions should be 100% voluntary. > > wharrison@... wrote: I agree--the religious exemption is PART of the system. There's no cheating involved when you play by the rules. Don't ever feel guilty for claiming one. You are within your legal rights to--and you'd be surprised how many people do. > > Winnie > > RE: GRRRRRR > Vaccinations > > > I donÂ’t agree using the religious exemption cheats the system. > > ItÂ’s the > > only way to go sometimes.. states donÂ’t all allow a philosophical > > exemption and itÂ’s the only way to be left alone > > > > > > > > Your wishes wonÂ’t be respected on an ethical level b/c the > > vaccines are > > part of the psyche and theyÂ’re built around the belief system > > that has > > been honed for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS.. they are the sacred > > cow of > > medicine. > > > > > > > > I would point out to her that any doctor refusing to treat a patient > > that refuses to be vaccinated is employing Gestapo techniques > > and is > > acting unethically themselves. YOU pay HER and not vice versa. > > You can > > agree to disagree and act professionally. > > > > > > > > Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, > > Christian(7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 > > Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long > > enough to make them all yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1236 - Release Date: > > 1/21/2008 8:23 PM > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9 - Release Date: 1/22/2008 > > 12:00 AM > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 More than likely your decisions won't be respected and unfortunately, there's not much you will be able to do about it if you refuse to take the religious exemption. What doctors and other officials are after here is control - it has nothing to do with what's best for us and our families. Most doctors will not give out a medical exemption and it's usually for something very serious. Athesism is a religion too - all religion is a set of beliefs. I'm Buddhist and there's nothing in buddhism that speaks out against vaccines specifically either, but one of the main tenents is " Do no harm " . That right there would be my justification for taking a religious exemption, which I would do in a heartbeat if I didn't live in state with a philosophical exemption. If your beliefs (and they don't have to be a part of any religious dogma, either) carry something similar, you have perfect justification to claim a religious exemption. -- Roni Bergerson Independent Monavie Distributor Celebrate Good Health with Monavie! http://www.mymonavie.com/jandrbergerson/ --------- RE: GRRRRRR Vaccinations > I don’t agree using the religious exemption cheats the system. > It’s the > only way to go sometimes.. states don’t all allow a philosophical > exemption and it’s the only way to be left alone > > > > Your wishes won’t be respected on an ethical level b/c the > vaccines are > part of the psyche and they’re built around the belief system > that has > been honed for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS.. they are the sacred > cow of > medicine. > > > > I would point out to her that any doctor refusing to treat a patient > that refuses to be vaccinated is employing Gestapo techniques > and is > acting unethically themselves. YOU pay HER and not vice versa. > You can > agree to disagree and act professionally. > > > > Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, > Christian(7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 > Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long > enough to make them all yourself. > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1236 - Release Date: > 1/21/2008 8:23 PM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9 - Release Date: 1/22/2008 > 12:00 AM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 > > i am not going to feel guilty. i refuse to claim religious beliefs to avoid vaccinations because i am atheist and that would be wrong in my heart. i just want my feelings for my childs future to be respected. medical decisions should be 100% voluntary. Trina, Being an atheist IS your religious belief - so claiming a religious exemption is NOT against your belief system as far as my thinking goes. Jackie Noel www.sagaciousairedales.com www.sagaciousdogcountry.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 “I will homeschool before…”… like homeschooling is evil, bad and nasty?! Many of us homeschool b/c we know we can provide a better education for our kids and religion had nothing to do with it. The public schools here are pure crap. And it d/n matter if you are atheist. The religion clause for exemption is based on what YOU personally subscribe too, not on organized religion and doctrine but if after hearing that several times, you don’t believe it.. there’s nothing we can do to help you. avoid the doctors and avoid the shots and avoid the public school system so you don’t have to go get an official exemption card. Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. I am atheist. I am also educated, and have done my research. I will homeschool my child before I succumb to lying because my personal opinion is not respected about my child's welfare. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9 - Release Date: 1/22/2008 12:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9 - Release Date: 1/22/2008 12:00 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I just want my feelings for my childs future to be respected. medical decisions should be 100% voluntary. Should be is the key word. Yes, they SHOULD be. But they’re not. Not when you hear of parents being refused service b/c they won’t vaccinate. Not when you hear of kids being taken away from their parents b/c they don’t want chemo therapy and being forced into it. You can’t change the school districts mind about health freedom when they get kickbacks from the health dep’t for every 100% vaxxed child in their school. Vaccines are so indoctrinated into our fiber that we that don’t want to vax have to take what little we can get and work with it. Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9 - Release Date: 1/22/2008 12:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9 - Release Date: 1/22/2008 12:00 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 This is a pretty offensive statement to the homeschoolers on the list. The way it was written made it sound like homeschooling was beneath lying. Homeschoolers work very hard to make sure their kids educations are well attended to, high quality and diverse. Public schools provide anything but high quality, diverse education and if anything, one should be more upset by their actions than those of homeschoolers. The indoctrination and lack of respect you are so angry about is standard in the public education system. Parental rights are not respected by the public school system anymore than they are respected by doctors. -- Roni Bergerson Independent Monavie Distributor Celebrate Good Health with Monavie! http://www.mymonavie.com/jandrbergerson/ >>I am atheist. I am also educated, and have done my research. I will >>homeschool my child before I succumb to lying because my personal >>opinion is not respected about my child's welfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 this is trinas husband an i wrote this. it has been taken completely out of context which just figures. i am sure that you did not just decide overnight that you would homeschool. my father does for my young sister and it was a life altering experience. what i MEANT was i will go so far as to alter my families schedule and homeschool even if it meant quitting a job that potentially keeps our heads above water to homeschool. NOT that it is bad. it would be ridiculous to think that someone would actually have ill feelings towards homeschooling. the brightest kids and/or people i know were homeschooled. twist it which way you like. i would never trash homeschooling. calladragonlily@... wrote: This is a pretty offensive statement to the homeschoolers on the list. The way it was written made it sound like homeschooling was beneath lying. Homeschoolers work very hard to make sure their kids educations are well attended to, high quality and diverse. Public schools provide anything but high quality, diverse education and if anything, one should be more upset by their actions than those of homeschoolers. The indoctrination and lack of respect you are so angry about is standard in the public education system. Parental rights are not respected by the public school system anymore than they are respected by doctors. -- Roni Bergerson Independent Monavie Distributor Celebrate Good Health with Monavie! http://www.mymonavie.com/jandrbergerson/ >>I am atheist. I am also educated, and have done my research. I will >>homeschool my child before I succumb to lying because my personal >>opinion is not respected about my child's welfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Thank you for clarifying. Text is an imperfect medium because people can only go based on what is written - we do not have the tremendous value of body language or other nonverbal cues. We cannot know the meaning behind what is written - we are forced to take everything at face value. I was not twisting your words or taking things out of context, I was simply going based on what was written and how it was written. -- Roni Bergerson Independent Monavie Distributor Celebrate Good Health with Monavie! http://www.mymonavie.com/jandrbergerson/ -------------- Original message -------------- From: trina stockes <trina_s_73@...> this is trinas husband an i wrote this. it has been taken completely out of context which just figures. i am sure that you did not just decide overnight that you would homeschool. my father does for my young sister and it was a life altering experience. what i MEANT was i will go so far as to alter my families schedule and homeschool even if it meant quitting a job that potentially keeps our heads above water to homeschool. NOT that it is bad. it would be ridiculous to think that someone would actually have ill feelings towards homeschooling. the brightest kids and/or people i know were homeschooled. twist it which way you like. i would never trash homeschooling. calladragonlily@... wrote: This is a pretty offensive statement to the homeschoolers on the list. The way it was written made it sound like homeschooling was beneath lying. Homeschoolers work very hard to make sure their kids educations are well attended to, high quality and diverse. Public schools provide anything but high quality, diverse education and if anything, one should be more upset by their actions than those of homeschoolers. The indoctrination and lack of respect you are so angry about is standard in the public education system. Parental rights are not respected by the public school system anymore than they are respected by doctors. -- Roni Bergerson Independent Monavie Distributor Celebrate Good Health with Monavie! http://www.mymonavie.com/jandrbergerson/ >>I am atheist. I am also educated, and have done my research. I will >>homeschool my child before I succumb to lying because my personal >>opinion is not respected about my child's welfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 its my fault. i have an uncanny ability to be abrasive and offensive w/o trying to be. bottom line is i want what i hope is best for my children and i'm being told at every turn by pediatricians that they will not see him because mom and dad do not want chicken embryos and such injected in him. it is truly maddening. there should be a nationwide registry of doctors that agree that parents should have a choice. i will do better next time calladragonlily@... wrote: Thank you for clarifying. Text is an imperfect medium because people can only go based on what is written - we do not have the tremendous value of body language or other nonverbal cues. We cannot know the meaning behind what is written - we are forced to take everything at face value. I was not twisting your words or taking things out of context, I was simply going based on what was written and how it was written. -- Roni Bergerson Independent Monavie Distributor Celebrate Good Health with Monavie! http://www.mymonavie.com/jandrbergerson/ -------------- Original message -------------- From: trina stockes <trina_s_73@...> this is trinas husband an i wrote this. it has been taken completely out of context which just figures. i am sure that you did not just decide overnight that you would homeschool. my father does for my young sister and it was a life altering experience. what i MEANT was i will go so far as to alter my families schedule and homeschool even if it meant quitting a job that potentially keeps our heads above water to homeschool. NOT that it is bad. it would be ridiculous to think that someone would actually have ill feelings towards homeschooling. the brightest kids and/or people i know were homeschooled. twist it which way you like. i would never trash homeschooling. calladragonlily@... wrote: This is a pretty offensive statement to the homeschoolers on the list. The way it was written made it sound like homeschooling was beneath lying. Homeschoolers work very hard to make sure their kids educations are well attended to, high quality and diverse. Public schools provide anything but high quality, diverse education and if anything, one should be more upset by their actions than those of homeschoolers. The indoctrination and lack of respect you are so angry about is standard in the public education system. Parental rights are not respected by the public school system anymore than they are respected by doctors. -- Roni Bergerson Independent Monavie Distributor Celebrate Good Health with Monavie! http://www.mymonavie.com/jandrbergerson/ >>I am atheist. I am also educated, and have done my research. I will >>homeschool my child before I succumb to lying because my personal >>opinion is not respected about my child's welfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 You're right, they should be respected. Until they are, what do you plan to do about vaccines? Just curious--don't have your original message. Winnie RE: GRRRRRR > Vaccinations > > > I don’t agree using the religious exemption cheats the system. > > It’s the > > only way to go sometimes.. states don’t all allow a philosophical > > exemption and it’s the only way to be left alone > > > > > > > > Your wishes won’t be respected on an ethical level b/c the > > vaccines are > > part of the psyche and they’re built around the belief system > > that has > > been honed for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS.. they are the sacred > > cow of > > medicine. > > > > > > > > I would point out to her that any doctor refusing to treat a patient > > that refuses to be vaccinated is employing Gestapo techniques > > and is > > acting unethically themselves. YOU pay HER and not vice versa. > > You can > > agree to disagree and act professionally. > > > > > > > > Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, > > Christian(7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 > > Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long > > enough to make them all yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1236 - Release Date: > > 1/21/2008 8:23 PM > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9 - Release Date: > 1/22/2008> 12:00 AM > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 At 05:10 PM 1/22/2008 -0000, you wrote: >so horribly frustrated. We were sure that our doctor would understand >our stance. She has been our family physician for years and she just >came off of maternity leave to find that our baby had yet to be >vaccinated. We presented our case with loads of research and even >went so far as to tell her that we were not trying to undermind her >authority on medicine and still she is insistant on vaccinating. >apparently our doctors office can refuse patients that are non >vaccinated. You are not alone. You will NEVER win presenting your case. I don't even try to convince them and I am an RN, former peds nurse, and one of the most knowlegable people on the planet on this issue. Do NOT even try. And yes they can throw you out. Go elsewhere. So sorry to say that. but once you realize you don't want their vaccines, you soon realize you don't want much else from the either. Where do you live? Many now go to a naturopath, homeopath, or chiropractor. I can't help to think that the pharmaceutical companies >are lining the pockets of politicians to assure that completely >unnecessary vaccines are mandatory. to hell with the welfare of our >children. Who would ever have thought to inject an aborted fetus >embryo in a person to " prevent " a disease. Well, it isn't exactly a fetus embryo - the vaccines are grown on fetal tissue (some vaccines are grown on chicken eggs) >We are potentially >stunting the future of our country. Autism could be one of the >harsher effects of vaccinating, but what if there are seemingly minor >effects we would never see? There are huge numbers of effects. >>Maybe certain motor skills will be harder >to gain for certain children? Never knowing this, we might just >assume these are just personality traits when in fact a piece of our >child is missing. Medicinal decisions should ALWAYS be by choice. CERTAINLY - you employ them I'm >not one to jump on a bandwagon, or dare to step away from the norm >just for the sake of individuality. I know so much about vaccines now >because I make informed decisions. I am an educated person, and >continue to be educated. Why won't my wishes be respected on an >ethical level? Because you assume they are ethical or open minded. >>I claim NO stakes to religion and flat refuse to use >it as a loop hole to cheat the system. It isn't a loophole................you read the religious exemptions and you will see it applies to you It is not a lie or a way to cheat. >>I simply want someone to >respect my opinion as a concerned parent and leave well enough alone. You will be wishing that until you die. I have always wanted life to be fair, and it isn't. Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account Voicemail US 530-740-0561 Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email January 9 & 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 At 02:38 PM 1/22/2008 -0800, you wrote: >nope. we live in Kentucky. I don't think they can pronounce the word philosophical. With the knowledge we have gained, and we see the beautiful bright smile of our child glow, and then take him in for these vaccines because we are bound by our states Vaccination laws, i will be horribly devistated if he is one of the unfortunate souls that suffer the worst side effects. i will just die. You can EASILY do the exmption in Kentucky. You just use the exact wording of the law..................what does the word religious mean to you? Isn't it about your belief system. You don't explain anything. You just give them this statement - very easy http://www.nvic.org/state-site/Kentucky.htm " I am opposed to medical immunization against disease, and object to the immunization of such child on religious grounds " same wording as the law............you are not required to explain what that means and should only attach a copy of the law if there are questions. Your state does not require explanation. That's all you do and you don't have to risk your child. Sheri Current as of 2007 Quick Fact: " Any child whose parents are opposed to medical immunization against disease, and who object by a written sworn statement to the immunization of such child on religious grounds " shall be exempt from immunizations. Other Resources: KY Cabinet for Health Services: http://www.chs.state.ky.us State of Kentucky Immunization Requirements for School and Child Care: http://chfs.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/C0DAFA4E-0618-496A-983B-31FCDE9852FF/0/ ImmunizationRequirementsCheatSheet.pdf State of Kentucky Immunization Program: http://chfs.ky.gov/dph/epi/immunizationprograms.htm State of Kentucky Religious Exemption Form: http://education.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/535FF8D6-1405-492E-991B-E1689996CBBF/0/ RELIGIOUSEXEMPTION3.doc State of Kentucky Medical Exemption Form: http://education.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/B6AA21DC- E1C9-4037-B7A5-0EA88637134F/0/ 3CMEDICALEXEMPTION.doc State of Kentucky Certificate of Immunization Form: http://education.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/9E1268D5- D309-48B1-9B06-72DD0454EA0C/0/ 3BIMMUNIZATIONCERT.pdf State of Kentucky Legislature: http://www.lrc.ky.gov/home.htm > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account Voicemail US 530-740-0561 Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email January 9 & 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 The laws are in relation to school, not to live on the planet. If you do not take the exmeption that is your right, then only you are harming your child. Sheri At 11:18 PM 1/22/2008 -0000, you wrote: >You are not bound by any laws to get vaccinations! The only thing you >need to do is find a new doctor that will support your decision! The >doctor will try to do all she can to make you think that you have to >get the vaccines but you do NOT have to vaccinate just because the >doctor thinks you should. You are right, you know to much to get it >done, so don't do it! >If the doctor says it is the law, then ask her to provide the laws that >state it has to be done. When she shows you this it will also show >that the parent is allowed a religious exemption, and she can't ask for >any details on that. >http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/kentucky.htm >Here is the link to give you more info about your rights as the parent. >Marci > > >> >> nope. we live in Kentucky. I don't think they can pronounce the word >philosophical. With the knowledge we have gained, and we see the >beautiful bright smile of our child glow, and then take him in for >these vaccines because we are bound by our states Vaccination laws, i >will be horribly devistated if he is one of the unfortunate souls that >suffer the worst side effects. i will just die. >> >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 At 06:45 AM 1/24/2008 -0000, you wrote: >I would go religious... my DD has a medical exemption and if I can't >get one for my DS, who is probably a celiac due to vaccines, that is >the route I might go. And according to the law, no one is allowed to >question your religious beliefs, or ask to talk to your pastor, or >anything of that nature. Just show them the Bill of Rights. > You don't need to show them the Bill of Rights. Some states do require an explanation KY does not. Just the statement Sheri listowner >Just my 2C! > > > >> >> nope. we live in Kentucky. I don't think they can pronounce the word >philosophical. With the knowledge we have gained, and we see the >beautiful bright smile of our child glow, and then take him in for >these vaccines because we are bound by our states Vaccination laws, i >will be horribly devistated if he is one of the unfortunate souls that >suffer the worst side effects. i will just die. >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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