Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 > > >i am atheist. i am also educated, and have done my research. i will homeschool my child before i succumb to lying because my personal opinion is not respected about my child's welfare. > I think you are hung up on the word religious. Religious belief? Deeply held belief? Belief about life? What is the difference Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account Voicemail US 530-740-0561 Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email January 9 & 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 > >Calm down there little Gipper! I don't homeschool but know many who do - and I will say - God bless them - they're dedicated individuals! (regardless of the why's). > As for your " pediatrician " - I look at it this way... The initial pedi I saw for my son was telling me our next appt. wouldn't be pleasant because of vaccinations (he would be 2 months old at that time) - I said " okay, thank you " . Then sought out a holistic doctor (thank you Sheri). He is literally, one of the best persons to come into my life. He's taken care of both my son and daughter on a doctor's approach, no pressure of vaccinating, and we get along great and we all love him! He truly understands me, and my children and their/our systems. You DO have options! Don't get frustrated over mainstream - they're seeing their business go elsewhere - thus defensive tactics (in some cases brutal). Search out your options. Don't worry about " being fired " from your pedi! Hell, look at it as an opportunity - fire them! Life is too short to be stressed out over situations where you have complete control over. Take control. > -------------------------------------------------- > > Exactly You are making a BIG deal about nothing. Choose your battles as there will be many to come. This is not a battle for you in KY. Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account Voicemail US 530-740-0561 Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email January 9 & 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 > >I would point out to her that any doctor refusing to treat a patient >that refuses to be vaccinated is employing Gestapo techniques and is >acting unethically themselves. YOU pay HER and not vice versa. You can >agree to disagree and act professionally. do doctors throw these people out of their practices? alcoholics with liver disease drug addicts/users wife beaters sex addicts smokers with lung disease? Do they throw ANYONE out? Never heard of it before the common practice of throwing those who don't vaccinate Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account Voicemail US 530-740-0561 Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email January 9 & 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 There is a registry of doctors who are friendly to not vaxing. Can someone help with this? It is on an autism website, but I can't remember which one now, I have been to so many. I don't think religious exemption is lying. I tried the philosophical route. All of the exemptions are available in La. The preschool would not accept it, so I went to my wonderful ped and got a medical exemption, which by the way is not usually easy to get. I explained to him my daughter's near SIDS reaction to her 4 month shots, and showed him the exemption I typed, up, and he went through the trouble of retyping it on his own letter head, and changing the wording. He even put on there that if the school had any questions, to contact him directly. He said it is none of the school's business or the state's business what happened to my daughter. HTH, This is a pretty offensive statement to the homeschoolers on the list. The way it was written made it sound like homeschooling was beneath lying. Homeschoolers work very hard to make sure their kids educations are well attended to, high quality and diverse. Public schools provide anything but high quality, diverse education and if anything, one should be more upset by their actions than those of homeschoolers. The indoctrination and lack of respect you are so angry about is standard in the public education system. Parental rights are not respected by the public school system anymore than they are respected by doctors. > > -- > Roni Bergerson > Independent Monavie Distributor > Celebrate Good Health with Monavie! > http://www.mymonavie.com/jandrbergerson/ > > >>I am atheist. I am also educated, and have done my research. I will > >>homeschool my child before I succumb to lying because my personal > >>opinion is not respected about my child's welfare. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 On Jan 24, 2008 1:43 PM, B <EMMJTM@...> wrote: > There is a registry of doctors who are friendly to not vaxing. Can > someone help with this? It is on an autism website, but I can't > remember which one now, I have been to so many. Here is the one on Dr Sears web site: https://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/Vaccine_Friendly_Doctors.asp And DAN Doctors are listed here: http://www.generationrescue.org/doctors.html Tash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Thanks! > > > There is a registry of doctors who are friendly to not vaxing. Can > > someone help with this? It is on an autism website, but I can't > > remember which one now, I have been to so many. > > Here is the one on Dr Sears web site: > https://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/Vaccine_Friendly_Doctors.asp > > And DAN Doctors are listed here: http://www.generationrescue.org/doctors.html > > Tash > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Calm down there little Gipper! I don't homeschool but know many who do - and I will say - God bless them - they're dedicated individuals! (regardless of the why's). As for your " pediatrician " - I look at it this way... The initial pedi I saw for my son was telling me our next appt. wouldn't be pleasant because of vaccinations (he would be 2 months old at that time) - I said " okay, thank you " . Then sought out a holistic doctor (thank you Sheri). He is literally, one of the best persons to come into my life. He's taken care of both my son and daughter on a doctor's approach, no pressure of vaccinating, and we get along great and we all love him! He truly understands me, and my children and their/our systems. You DO have options! Don't get frustrated over mainstream - they're seeing their business go elsewhere - thus defensive tactics (in some cases brutal). Search out your options. Don't worry about " being fired " from your pedi! Hell, look at it as an opportunity - fire them! Life is too short to be stressed out over situations where you have complete control over. Take control. -------------------------------------------------- its my fault. i have an uncanny ability to be abrasive and offensive w/o trying to be. bottom line is i want what i hope is best for my children and i'm being told at every turn by pediatricians that they will not see him because mom and dad do not want chicken embryos and such injected in him. it is truly maddening. there should be a nationwide registry of doctors that agree that parents should have a choice. i will do better next time Randi J. Airola, © 517-819-5926 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 we have atheists who are members of our church (they are part of the humanist group at our church)- Unitarian Universalist- We also have christians (liberal), buddhists, and those on many other paths. So there are churches which welcome atheists and a religious exemption could be genuinely applied in that situation. for more info www.uua.org RE: GRRRRRR Vaccinations > I don't agree using the religious exemption cheats the system. > It's the > only way to go sometimes.. states don't all allow a philosophical > exemption and it's the only way to be left alone > > > > Your wishes won't be respected on an ethical level b/c the > vaccines are > part of the psyche and they're built around the belief system > that has > been honed for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS.. they are the sacred > cow of > medicine. > > > > I would point out to her that any doctor refusing to treat a patient > that refuses to be vaccinated is employing Gestapo techniques > and is > acting unethically themselves. YOU pay HER and not vice versa. > You can > agree to disagree and act professionally. > > > > Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, > Christian(7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 > Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long > enough to make them all yourself. > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1236 - Release Date: > 1/21/2008 8:23 PM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9 - Release Date: 1/22/2008 > 12:00 AM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Well, my hubby threw out some people. The drug addicts, the rude ones, the ones who wouldn't follow his advice and then come back and whine...but NEVER those who didn't vax...but I was booted from a Family Practice doc b4 I met my hubby. Laurie RE: GRRRRRR > >I would point out to her that any doctor refusing to treat a patient >that refuses to be vaccinated is employing Gestapo techniques and is >acting unethically themselves. YOU pay HER and not vice versa. You can >agree to disagree and act professionally. do doctors throw these people out of their practices? alcoholics with liver disease drug addicts/users wife beaters sex addicts smokers with lung disease? Do they throw ANYONE out? Never heard of it before the common practice of throwing those who don't vaccinate Sheri > Recent Activity a.. 20New Members Visit Your Group Health Early Detection Know the symptoms of breast cancer. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 ...you are so right...we must take care of ourselves....or we can not take care of those who we love and who need us...and yes, our chldren are demainding...very very demanding!!! Jan P.S. I too have disliked a lot of things about my son...I have even told him I dislike his behavior or what he has done....but I still love him unconditionally ...which is probably why the kids act out on US! They know they are safe and we love them unconditionally!!!! Jan Rushen Smile because it is contagious!!!! From: lisa_wench_2000 <lisamburridge@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Grrrrrr Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 12:31 PM Hi Yes, I completely relate.... but I don't think kids have to be AS forparents to dislike them, I just think that makes it more acute! I'msure most parents, at one time or another, dislike their kids. Ourkids, bless them, can be particularly demanding...I get to the point where I need time away from my DS too - and yes,going grocery shopping is a treat at those times! Don't feel bad...if you don't take care of your needs, you can't take care of yourchild - you MUST take time out... (remind me of all this when I'mhaving a really bad time with !).xxx>> Okay - I know that I don't post here often, but I do read what's going > on. I have a question - and it seems mean, but I can't help it. Are > there ever times where you absolutely dislike your AS child? I go > through these phases with Brady, and right now...I can't stand to be > around him. He has been wonderful in school, but at home he has been a > total jerk. He is constantly being mean, loud, demanding, hurtful. I > am trying to be routine, and the smallest things are setting him off. > I was in tears yesterday, and my husband was like "Why don't you get > out of here for a little while", and so I went to the grocery store for > 2 hours (yes, that was relaxing). Brady has been super hyper and > needy - I know that he's only 6, but it's almost like he is regressing > since he went back to school? > Does anyone have any suggestions on what I should be doing here? I am > so stressed out. I feel bad that I feel this way right now, but I have > no patience for him right now. > Grrrr.....> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 I so totally agree. I have days when I want to give my son back too. He is 11 and I think is hitting puberty. Part of the issue is, he is not reading the social keys that other kids read, so he misses details....like not rolling his eyes when I am looking at him. Sometimes I just tell him, "okay this is the free one....don't roll your eyes at me until you are out of my line of sight..or don't growl at me until your are out of my hearing" and he seems to be realizing that the things other kids do at school are not appropriate at home. It is a learning experience for both of us. Later! Keep your spirits up, and remember we all have hard days, and it is normal to get stressed or frustrated, but we still always love them. RathswohlDeaf Services CoordinatorDayle McIntosh Center714 621 3300 x 341 voice714 620 8370 faxmrathswohl@...NOTICE: This message, together with any attachments is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential and prohibited from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copy reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify the original sender immediately and delete this message and any attachments from your computerIf this communication involves discussion of patient care issues in the performance improvement process, it is protected from discovery by California Evidence Code 1157 as a confidential medical staff communication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Ack! Of course I love him....and we are trying to be consistant in dealing with his behaviors. He was great the 1st couple of weeks at school, and it is starting to get to him, I believe. He loves riding his bike, so we are outside most evenings, and during the weekends. I have thought about swimming lessons (as he is just now putting his head under the water more, even though he HATES it). Wearing him out is a good idea. He's not into sports AT ALL, and I am not going to force it with him...he had mentioned wanting to go to gymnastics after seeing a commercial on T.V. That might be a good idea....something to tire him out. When he was at the farm with my parents for 2 weeks (they do that for us every year), he passed out every night because he was running around all day playing and swimming. On another note - he was ADORABLE yesterday. He came downstairs and saw his little sister (she is 2) and said that Liv looks sooooo cute today in that outfit. I just think shes so cute! It was sweet. I know that it will get better, and worse, and better and worse....thankfully, I have a place that I can vent when I am frusterated, and not be judged.....and have people that understand what I am going through! > > I so totally agree. I have days when I want to give my son back too. He > is 11 and I think is hitting puberty. Part of the issue is, he is not > reading the social keys that other kids read, so he misses > details....like not rolling his eyes when I am looking at him. Sometimes > I just tell him, " okay this is the free one....don't roll your eyes at > me until you are out of my line of sight..or don't growl at me until > your are out of my hearing " and he seems to be realizing that the things > other kids do at school are not appropriate at home. It is a learning > experience for both of us. Later! Keep your spirits up, and remember we > all have hard days, and it is normal to get stressed or frustrated, but > we still always love them. > > > Rathswohl > Deaf Services Coordinator > Dayle McIntosh Center > 714 621 3300 x 341 voice > 714 620 8370 fax > mrathswohl@... > > NOTICE: This message, together with any attachments is intended only for > the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may > contain information that is confidential and prohibited from disclosure. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination or copy reproduction of this message is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify the > original sender immediately and delete this message and any attachments > from your computer > > If this communication involves discussion of patient care issues in the > performance improvement process, it is protected from discovery by > California Evidence Code 1157 as a confidential medical staff > communication. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 On May 14, 11:23pm, " Missy " wrote: } Okay - I know that I don't post here often, but I do read what's going=20 } on. I have a question - and it seems mean, but I can't help it. Are=20 } there ever times where you absolutely dislike your AS child? I go=20 My husband and I have both been there, believe me. It's awful, but we're only human, not saints. Willa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Missy, Yes, this is the place to go to vent or get/give advice and have so much support. My son is now 11 and doing much better. T.G. he is into sports to tire him out. He did notice on the rainy days in the dead of winter where there isn't much to do. He says to me he has to much energy and he can't sleep well at night. I'm not the type of person to give him sleeping pills. So what I do now is - each night he has to read for 30 minutes before he goes to bed. (he's in middle school now) so this works well for him. That is so sweet that your son said that about your daughter. How cute !. I love it. When my daughter was younger, she use to hate when the water got on her face too. she hated to go under water. but she outgrew those days and doesn't remember them. It seems like kids do outgrow most of these behaviors. T.G. it just takes time, but they do. You are doing an awesome job. another quick thought, do you have a 4-H near you? they have different types of 4-H groups. like some do arts and crafts. some are into animals. some gardens, etc... maybe if sports isn't his thing a 4-H group might interest him. I'm always thinking of things for my kids to join because when I keep them busy, the less trouble they get into. For my kids at least. Wishing you the best Hugs RoseMissy <mfilas76@...> wrote: Ack! Of course I love him....and we are trying to be consistant in dealing with his behaviors. He was great the 1st couple of weeks at school, and it is starting to get to him, I believe. He loves riding his bike, so we are outside most evenings, and during the weekends. I have thought about swimming lessons (as he is just now putting his head under the water more, even though he HATES it). Wearing him out is a good idea. He's not into sports AT ALL, and I am not going to force it with him...he had mentioned wanting to go to gymnastics after seeing a commercial on T.V. That might be a good idea....something to tire him out. When he was at the farm with my parents for 2 weeks (they do that for us every year), he passed out every night because he was running around all day playing and swimming. On another note - he was ADORABLE yesterday. He came downstairs and saw his little sister (she is 2) and said that Liv looks sooooo cute today in that outfit. I just think shes so cute! It was sweet. I know that it will get better, and worse, and better and worse....thankfully, I have a place that I can vent when I am frusterated, and not be judged.....and have people that understand what I am going through!>> I so totally agree. I have days when I want to give my son back too. He> is 11 and I think is hitting puberty. Part of the issue is, he is not> reading the social keys that other kids read, so he misses> details....like not rolling his eyes when I am looking at him. Sometimes> I just tell him, "okay this is the free one....don't roll your eyes at> me until you are out of my line of sight..or don't growl at me until> your are out of my hearing" and he seems to be realizing that the things> other kids do at school are not appropriate at home. It is a learning> experience for both of us. Later! Keep your spirits up, and remember we> all have hard days, and it is normal to get stressed or frustrated, but> we still always love them. > > > Rathswohl> Deaf Services Coordinator> Dayle McIntosh Center> 714 621 3300 x 341 voice> 714 620 8370 fax> mrathswohl@...> > NOTICE: This message, together with any attachments is intended only for> the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may> contain information that is confidential and prohibited from disclosure.> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any> dissemination or copy reproduction of this message is strictly> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify the> original sender immediately and delete this message and any attachments> from your computer> > If this communication involves discussion of patient care issues in the> performance improvement process, it is protected from discovery by> California Evidence Code 1157 as a confidential medical staff> communication.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 I love that one Jean! > > > From: Missy <mfilas76@...> > Subject: Re: ( ) Grrrrrr > @AspergerTo: > Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 11:53 AM > > > > He is 6....I know that explains alot. I will try the hugging thing. I > know that I sound like I'm horribly mean...it's just that the past > couple of weeks have been really TRYING. I am exhausted by the time I > get them to bed... > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 dont feel bad because you feel that way I think all moms find they might feel like that at one time or another. Our kids are very trying and sometimes they arnt very nice and they are hard to deal with but because we love them uncondittionally we learn to deal with it somehow, and your husband was right in getting you to leave the house for a while, you need to do this because our kids tend to become so dependent on us and that is how my son is and because of it he suffers from severe seperation anxiety disorder form me only. His dad can leave and go anywhere and there is no problem but I cant. he has a hard time going to school cause he doesnt want to leave me and he wont play at anyone elses house cause he wont leave me, I am working on this now but he is already ten and its hard for us, your little one is six so start now so it doesnt get as bad as it is for us. Good lusk, gina (collins mom) > > Okay - I know that I don't post here often, but I do read what's going > on. I have a question - and it seems mean, but I can't help it. Are > there ever times where you absolutely dislike your AS child? I go > through these phases with Brady, and right now...I can't stand to be > around him. He has been wonderful in school, but at home he has been a > total jerk. He is constantly being mean, loud, demanding, hurtful. I > am trying to be routine, and the smallest things are setting him off. > I was in tears yesterday, and my husband was like " Why don't you get > out of here for a little while " , and so I went to the grocery store for > 2 hours (yes, that was relaxing). Brady has been super hyper and > needy - I know that he's only 6, but it's almost like he is regressing > since he went back to school? > Does anyone have any suggestions on what I should be doing here? I am > so stressed out. I feel bad that I feel this way right now, but I have > no patience for him right now. > Grrrr..... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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