Lymes

[Guest guest]

Phil, I was also tested negative for lyme a couple years ago. But at some

point I want to get a better test. A couple things I would suggest are to

join the lyme-aid group at . I've been reading it for a few

weeks now. Some of the members are a bit fanatical about lyme; thinking its

incidence is incredibly more than what we are told; some believe it can be

transmitted sexually like syphilus; etc;

I can't really judge them; maybe they are right?? but there's still some

good info. If you ask the same question there you will get some good

responses. Here's what I know; the best lab for lyme testing is Igenex.com.

And the prevailing opinion at the lyme list is that if you really want to

find out if you have lyme ( and get it treated properly) you should see a

lyme literate MD (LLMD). You could probably get a referal to one in your

area at the lyme list.

>>>>>>One of my practitioners by using bioresonance testing picked up lymes

disease last week. I would like a more " orthodox " test tried to

diagnose it but know little about the lymes tst except some are useless

and ther are some newer ones. I had a standard blood test 7 years ago

when my CFS started .It of course was negative. I've heard of something

I think called " LUAT " ? Any advice is appreciated.

Phil>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

There was recently an article in an alternative medicine magazine which stated that Lyme's was gone by using a zapper non stop for 11 days (the full cycle of the Lyme's). Only remove it during showers and at no other time for that 11 days. Wish I would have clipped the article as I have not been able to find it since.

Yours in Health,

Kathy jadespring2003 <jadespring2003@...> wrote:

I'm responding to Kathy's comment about Lymes saying that it's tricky because people can react to the simplest thing. Lymes disease is not just Lymes. There's a bacteria that piggybacks on Lymes disease. When you start to mess with the Lymes, you cause a lot of confusion. My naturopath, a 70 year old with many years of experience who uses a bioresonance machine, says we are now all born with Lymes in our DNA. The way she handles it is to keep the immune system in check. Lymes was found in my system by three different practitioners using three different modalities. I'm on a supplement protocol with Earl Mindell vitamins (and other support) that balances across the board. Trying to give people a remedy to get rid of the Lymes is probably not going to work. What works is to keep the person's immune system healthy

so the Lymes doesn't rear its ugly head. As an aside, any time you get dental work done or get a big stress hit, Lymes symptoms can appear (and those symptoms are as numerous as one can imagine).All good things,is Rotella, M.Ac.Arnold, landwww.jadespring.com............................................

[Guest guest]

I am not surprised by this lymes article at all ... its truly amazing what a bit of Zapping can do!

Personally, I glued the "hooks" side of a piece of Velcro to the back of my Zapper unit and sewn the "hoops" side of the Velcro to a cloth belt allowing me to wear my Zapper around my waist all day long under my shirt.

Aside from taking a shower or sleeping, I wear mine every waking moment.

When you consider all the various "pests" we are exposed to on a daily basis, I wouldn't be without it plus it compliments virtually any other alternative methodology.

Please let me know if you find the article.

Chris

We have several interesting pieces available on-line: Reports substantiating Dr. 's claims (from the 1950's):http://www.cloud9health.com/multiple_sclerosis/http://www.cloud9health.com/diabetes/http://www.cloud9health.com/depression/http://www.cloud9health.com/americancancer/http://www.cloud9health.com/breast_milk/http://www.cloud9health.com/viral_cancer_files/ Zappers:http://www.cloud9health.com/zappers/index.html

Chemtrails:http://www.cloud9health.com/chemtrails

Microwave Ovens:http://www.cloud9health.com/Radiation_Ovens.pdf

Colloidal Silver - make your own lifetime supply for roughly $50:http://www.cloud9health.com/Make_32_oz_Colloidal.doc (MS Word format 125 KB)http://www.cloud9health.com/Make_32_oz_Colloidal.pdf (Adobe PDF format 118 KB)

Hydrogen Peroxide - amazing stuff no one should be without:http://www.cloud9health.com/Hydrogen_Peroxide.pdf (Adobe PDF format 131 KB) Email: info@...Main site: http://www.cloud9health.com

Re: lymes

There was recently an article in an alternative medicine magazine which stated that Lyme's was gone by using a zapper non stop for 11 days (the full cycle of the Lyme's). Only remove it during showers and at no other time for that 11 days. Wish I would have clipped the article as I have not been able to find it since.

Yours in Health,

Kathy jadespring2003 <jadespring2003@...> wrote:

I'm responding to Kathy's comment about Lymes saying that it's tricky because people can react to the simplest thing. Lymes disease is not just Lymes. There's a bacteria that piggybacks on Lymes disease. When you start to mess with the Lymes, you cause a lot of confusion. My naturopath, a 70 year old with many years of experience who uses a bioresonance machine, says we are now all born with Lymes in our DNA. The way she handles it is to keep the immune system in check. Lymes was found in my system by three different practitioners using three different modalities. I'm on a supplement protocol with Earl Mindell vitamins (and other support) that balances across the board. Trying to give people a remedy to get rid of the Lymes is probably not going to work. What works is to keep the person's immune system healthy so the Lymes doesn't rear its ugly head. As an aside, any time you get dental work done or get a big stress hit, Lymes symptoms can appear (and those symptoms are as numerous as one can imagine).All good things,is Rotella, M.Ac.Arnold, landwww.jadespring.com............................................

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy, this rings true and very hopeful, thank you for posting it- but I will add that my experience with 24 hour zapping gave me quite a herx (this was pre QX) - a full body rash, head to toe, but I felt like a million bucks later when it went away, so I would recommend doing some work on the pathways first on the QX before undertaking this- as we all know: make sure bowels, skin, liver, lymph and kidneys are open, and drinking more water than imaginable. Gage

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Re: lymes

There was recently an article in an alternative medicine magazine which stated that Lyme's was gone by using a zapper non stop for 11 days (the full cycle of the Lyme's). Only remove it during showers and at no other time for that 11 days. Wish I would have clipped the article as I have not been able to find it since.

Yours in Health,

Kathy jadespring2003 <jadespring2003@...> wrote:

I'm responding to Kathy's comment about Lymes saying that it's tricky because people can react to the simplest thing. Lymes disease is not just Lymes. There's a bacteria that piggybacks on Lymes disease. When you start to mess with the Lymes, you cause a lot of confusion. My naturopath, a 70 year old with many years of experience who uses a bioresonance machine, says we are now all born with Lymes in our DNA. The way she handles it is to keep the immune system in check. Lymes was found in my system by three different practitioners using three different modalities. I'm on a supplement protocol with Earl Mindell vitamins (and other support) that balances across the board. Trying to give people a remedy to get rid of the Lymes is probably not going to work. What works is to keep the person's immune system healthy so the Lymes doesn't rear its ugly head. As an aside, any time you get dental work done or get a big stress hit, Lymes symptoms can appear (and those symptoms are as numerous as one can imagine).All good things,is Rotella, M.Ac.Arnold, landwww.jadespring.com............................................

[Guest guest]

As with ALL PROTOCOLS in our never ending list. The key to helping someone ALWAYS starts with the process of elimination. Thank you Gage for reminding everyone. If any of you start to work on ANY problem area and this process was not done you can cause some very uncomfortable side-effects.

Kathy"G.T." <aiyiyiy@...> wrote:

Hi Kathy, this rings true and very hopeful, thank you for posting it- but I will add that my experience with 24 hour zapping gave me quite a herx (this was pre QX) - a full body rash, head to toe, but I felt like a million bucks later when it went away, so I would recommend doing some work on the pathways first on the QX before undertaking this- as we all know: make sure bowels, skin, liver, lymph and kidneys are open, and drinking more water than imaginable. Gage

*-.,_,.-*'``'*-.,_,.-*'``'*-.,_,.-*'``'*-.,_,.-*'``'*-.,_,.-*'``'*-.,_,.-*

*-.,_,.-*'``'*-.,_,.-*'``'*-.,_,.-*'``'*-.,_,.-*'``'*-.,_,.-*'``'*-.,_,.-*

Re: lymes

There was recently an article in an alternative medicine magazine which stated that Lyme's was gone by using a zapper non stop for 11 days (the full cycle of the Lyme's). Only remove it during showers and at no other time for that 11 days. Wish I would have clipped the article as I have not been able to find it since.

Yours in Health,

Kathy jadespring2003 <jadespring2003@...> wrote:

I'm responding to Kathy's comment about Lymes saying that it's tricky because people can react to the simplest thing. Lymes disease is not just Lymes. There's a bacteria that piggybacks on Lymes disease. When you start to mess with the Lymes, you cause a lot of confusion. My naturopath, a 70 year old with many years of experience who uses a bioresonance machine, says we are now all born with Lymes in our DNA. The way she handles it is to keep the immune system in check. Lymes was found in my system by three different practitioners using three different modalities. I'm on a supplement protocol with Earl Mindell vitamins (and other support) that balances across the board. Trying to give people a remedy to get rid of the Lymes is probably not going to work. What works is to keep the person's immune system healthy

so the Lymes doesn't rear its ugly head. As an aside, any time you get dental work done or get a big stress hit, Lymes symptoms can appear (and those symptoms are as numerous as one can imagine).All good things,is Rotella, M.Ac.Arnold, landwww.jadespring.com............................................

[Guest guest]

This is one of the most innovative things I have heard from any technician in a long time. If any of you have other "tips" like this for things you do that are a bit out of the ordinary please list them. THIS IS WONDERFUL

KathyCloud 9 Health <info@...> wrote:

I am not surprised by this Lyme's article at all ... its truly amazing what a bit of Zapping can do!

Personally, I glued the "hooks" side of a piece of Velcro to the back of my Zapper unit and sewn the "hoops" side of the Velcro to a cloth belt allowing me to wear my Zapper around my waist all day long under my shirt.

Aside from taking a shower or sleeping, I wear mine every waking moment.

When you consider all the various "pests" we are exposed to on a daily basis, I wouldn't be without it plus it compliments virtually any other alternative methodology.

Please let me know if you find the article.

Chris

We have several interesting pieces available on-line: Reports substantiating Dr. 's claims (from the 1950's):http://www.cloud9health.com/multiple_sclerosis/http://www.cloud9health.com/diabetes/http://www.cloud9health.com/depression/http://www.cloud9health.com/americancancer/http://www.cloud9health.com/breast_milk/http://www.cloud9health.com/viral_cancer_files/ Zappers:http://www.cloud9health.com/zappers/index.html

Chemtrails:http://www.cloud9health.com/chemtrails

Microwave Ovens:http://www.cloud9health.com/Radiation_Ovens.pdf

Colloidal Silver - make your own lifetime supply for roughly $50:http://www.cloud9health.com/Make_32_oz_Colloidal.doc (MS Word format 125 KB)http://www.cloud9health.com/Make_32_oz_Colloidal.pdf (Adobe PDF format 118 KB)

Hydrogen Peroxide - amazing stuff no one should be without:http://www.cloud9health.com/Hydrogen_Peroxide.pdf (Adobe PDF format 131 KB) Email: info@...Main site: http://www.cloud9health.com

Re: lymes

There was recently an article in an alternative medicine magazine which stated that Lyme's was gone by using a zapper non stop for 11 days (the full cycle of the Lyme's). Only remove it during showers and at no other time for that 11 days. Wish I would have clipped the article as I have not been able to find it since.

Yours in Health,

Kathy jadespring2003 <jadespring2003@...> wrote:

I'm responding to Kathy's comment about Lymes saying that it's tricky because people can react to the simplest thing. Lymes disease is not just Lymes. There's a bacteria that piggybacks on Lymes disease. When you start to mess with the Lymes, you cause a lot of confusion. My naturopath, a 70 year old with many years of experience who uses a bioresonance machine, says we are now all born with Lymes in our DNA. The way she handles it is to keep the immune system in check. Lymes was found in my system by three different practitioners using three different modalities. I'm on a supplement protocol with Earl Mindell vitamins (and other support) that balances across the board. Trying to give people a remedy to get rid of the Lymes is probably not going to work. What works is to keep the person's immune system healthy

so the Lymes doesn't rear its ugly head. As an aside, any time you get dental work done or get a big stress hit, Lymes symptoms can appear (and those symptoms are as numerous as one can imagine).All good things,is Rotella, M.Ac.Arnold, landwww.jadespring.com............................................

[Guest guest]

check out what the homotoxocology page is saying; start out from a nerve or related sarcode or so, and find the clues to the underlying issues. Noël.

Lymes

I have an 80 yr old client with spasmotic paralysis of his left arm. In addition he is loosing the ability to use his left leg. The MD's have said that it might be related to parkinsons, but nothing comes up in his test. We have thought about possible Lymes disease due to the fact that he has been an outdoorsman all his life. The blood test for lymes came up negative. When I use the accup therapy on his legs and arms, he has temporary increased mobility, especially in his leg, but it does not last more than a few hours.COULD these symptoms possible be related to lymes even tho the blood test ruled it out? What is the salt Vit C protocol and how long does it need to be taken for maximum effects? He is very healthy otherwise.Thanks Woodlwoodlmt@...............................................

[Guest guest]

Yes! The traditional tests for lyme often come back with false

negatives. Lyme is the " great imposter " it can change shape, size

and makeup so detecting it with traditional tests can be difficult.

I have been working with a lyme client. Came to me with every

symptom in the book. For many months all I could do was help her

with the individual issues but infection kept coming up strong. Then

I tested for lymes and voila!! The SCIO had been able to find what

six doctors could not -including a naturopath that she was paying

$180/hr for.

I suggested the Bowen test which is a specialized lyme test that can

find it no matter what form it takes on. When she told her doctors

they said that the Bowen was a lot of bull because everyone comes

out positive with it. They also said that a few of them had actually

taken it to prove their point and come up positive.

Well, says I - Could that be because all of us have some of it in

our systems, just like syphilis? Lyme is slowly reaching out through

the general public and can be transmitted in numerous ways, not just

by tick bites. You should also check partners for lymes as they will

probably also have it. (check out your clients and you will find it

in everyone).

Call Bowen Labs 727-937-9077. Chances are that you will get a

positive. The question is how high are the actual readings.

I now test everyone for Lymes on the SCIO.

Regards,

Lori Marcus

New Email Address

lm@...

> I have an 80 yr old client with spasmotic paralysis of his left

arm.

> In addition he is loosing the ability to use his left leg. The

MD's

> have said that it might be related to parkinsons, but nothing

comes up

> in his test. We have thought about possible Lymes disease due to

the

> fact that he has been an outdoorsman all his life. The blood test

for

> lymes came up negative. When I use the accup therapy on his legs

and

> arms, he has temporary increased mobility, especially in his leg,

but

> it does not last more than a few hours.

> COULD these symptoms possible be related to lymes even tho the

blood

> test ruled it out? What is the salt Vit C protocol and how long

does

> it need to be taken for maximum effects? He is very healthy

otherwise.

> Thanks

> Wood

> lwoodlmt@g...

[Guest guest]

If he's having those symptoms, he can't be very healthy otherwise.

Have an electrodermal screening practitioner see if they can't find

Lyme and its buddies. Look into the Bowen test -- it is eighty

percent accurate they say. It's on the Web. If you want to start him

on a protocol for Lyme, e mail me privately and I'll tell you what I

use. You can also put him on Semento but muscle test to see how many

drops. YOu start off slow, one drop, build up to five a day, then

take a week off, three weeks on. It takes a long time to clear but we

all have to start somewhere. Best to go to a Lyme specialist--not a

good idea to play with that when you don't know what you're doing.

We're talking about a person's life here. Desseret Biologicals also

has a Lyme kit but you NEED to muscle test and make sure his body can

take it. He'll need drainers to go along with it so if you aren't a

good muscle tester, refer him to someone who knows how to treat Lyme.

is Rotella, M.Ac., CNC

> I have an 80 yr old client with spasmotic paralysis of his left arm.

> In addition he is loosing the ability to use his left leg. The MD's

> have said that it might be related to parkinsons, but nothing comes up

> in his test. We have thought about possible Lymes disease due to the

> fact that he has been an outdoorsman all his life. The blood test for

> lymes came up negative. When I use the accup therapy on his legs and

> arms, he has temporary increased mobility, especially in his leg, but

> it does not last more than a few hours.

> COULD these symptoms possible be related to lymes even tho the blood

> test ruled it out? What is the salt Vit C protocol and how long does

> it need to be taken for maximum effects? He is very healthy otherwise.

> Thanks

> Wood

> lwoodlmt@g...

[Guest guest]

This

is what comes up if you attempt to find Philip Fritchey's tincture as

referenced below. . . any other options?

3.   

Dr. Philip Fritchey MH, ND has had great success with his own

Lyme's

symptoms using tincture of teasel root.  His symptoms were so

severe

that he was about to give up teaching, then he heard about the

teasel

root and gave it a try.  His results were dramatic, and he has

also

had good results using this for Alzheimer symptoms.  He gathers

the

teasel root and makes the tincture himself, and it is available

here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll

ViewItem & item=5648683036 & ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSIC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT

 

I

hope this is helpful!

 

Peace

and blessings,

Sr

 

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From:

maharanidm

To:

qxci-english

Sent:

Saturday, December 10, 2005 5:04 PM

Subject:

LYMES disease success stories & lifestyle

suggestions

Looking

for anyone who has results from the QX [and lifestyle tips]

for

Lymes Disease.

Thank

you thank you thank you thank you thank you.

Ritu

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[Guest guest]

go to ebay and do a search for "teasel root"......................

you will find it................

Kim

[Guest guest]

Yes, I've had trouble getting in, also. Here it is again (I just tried it and got into the page):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem & item=5648683036 & ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSIC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT

If that doesn't work, his e-bay store address is: http://stores.ebay.com/Herb-Works , or do a search for tincture of teasel root in e-bay home page. Good luck!

LYMES disease success stories & lifestyle

suggestions

Looking for anyone who has results from the QX [and lifestyle tips]

for Lymes Disease.

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you.

Ritu

[Guest guest]

I know that there have been lots of posting about this and some successes at

the 90% mark.

I also met a practitioner in Hungary last Oct who said she had a successful

approach and that Bill had put some more in the program

Does anyone have some direct and successful experience or places to look for

stuff that works

Have you visited www.imune.net yet?

IMUNE International License Grandfathering expires 31st Dec 2006.

Dr Kelsey PhD

see www.qxcisynergy.co.uk for Tech Info, Manuals, Accessories

[Guest guest]

I met a woman with serious Lyme and she was near death when a doctor

in Boston treated her with UV therapy. Not one approach works for

everyone. is Rotella, M.Ac., CNC

>

> I know that there have been lots of posting about this and some

successes at

> the 90% mark.

>

> I also met a practitioner in Hungary last Oct who said she had a

successful

> approach and that Bill had put some more in the program

>

> Does anyone have some direct and successful experience or places to

look for

> stuff that works

>

>

> Have you visited www.imune.net yet?

>

> IMUNE International License Grandfathering expires 31st Dec 2006.

> Dr Kelsey PhD

> see www.qxcisynergy.co.uk for Tech Info, Manuals, Accessories

>

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

I am teaching a SCIO Lyme " The Great Imposter " protocol and will be

traveling around the country soon. I will also be offering it on-

line beginning in December. The protocol itself is 34 pages and too

complex to post but I would be happy to give individual advise. I

was also just introduced to a homeopathic remedy made by a EPFX

practitioner and kinesiologist from MN who actually colleted ticks

and made it from them so all co-infections are covered. The product

is called Enliv'n and although I have not yet tried it, I have heard

great things. I will try it out on myself next week.

Please email me directly for more information and to sign up for the

on-line class.

I will be teaching this weekend 10/21 at 10:AM - Holiday Inn Select -

Ulmerton St. Clearwater, FL cost $99.

Warm Regards and thanks to those of you who attended in San and

Spokane!.

Lori Marcus lm@...

> >

> > I know that there have been lots of posting about this and some

> successes at

> > the 90% mark.

> >

> > I also met a practitioner in Hungary last Oct who said she had a

> successful

> > approach and that Bill had put some more in the program

> >

> > Does anyone have some direct and successful experience or places

to

> look for

> > stuff that works

> >

> >

> > Have you visited www.imune.net yet?

> >

> > IMUNE International License Grandfathering expires 31st Dec 2006.

> > Dr Kelsey PhD

> > see www.qxcisynergy.co.uk for Tech Info, Manuals, Accessories

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This is a little off subject I think but please help me understand

better. My neuro told me the only way to test for lymes is with a

spinal tap. Is this true? Can't I just have a simple blood draw? After

reading everything about MS and Lymes I feel I should be tested for

Lymes but I refuse to let my local hospital do a spinal tap. The LDN

has helped me so much that Im not sure it is Lymes because I have read

many posts saying LDN does not help Lymes. So is it really neccesary to

be tested for Lymes? Any information is greatly appreciated.

Amber

[Guest guest]

>> This is a little off subject I think but please help me understand > better. My neuro told me the only way to test for lymes is with a > spinal tap. Is this true? Can't I just have a simple blood draw? After > reading everything about MS and Lymes I feel I should be tested for > Lymes but I refuse to let my local hospital do a spinal tap. The LDN > has helped me so much that Im not sure it is Lymes because I have read > many posts saying LDN does not help Lymes. So is it really neccesary to > be tested for Lymes? Any information is greatly appreciated.> > Amber>Hi, Amber~I am new to this site but not to Lyme or CFS or what ever you want to call it.No, it is not the only way to test for Lyme. Actually it is a very poor way. They typically will not find Borrelia in the spinal fluid. Sometimes white blood cells may indicate an infection but not specifically Lyme.Testing for Lyme is very inaccurate. It really is a clinical diagnosis. Many people with MS symptoms have Lyme. Some have both.The best lab for testing is IGeneX in California. www.igenex.com If you call them they will send you or your physician a testing kit. It is a blood sample. Most docs do not believe that IGeneX is a better lab and will just send the blood to Quest. Which misses over half of the positives.For more Lyme information see these sites:www.ILADS.com (International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society) The website for what we that have Lyme call LLMDs Lyme Literate MDs.www.lymeinfo.net (A well put together site about Lyme with medical articles, list of symptoms, info on other Tick Borne Disease, etc)www.Lymenet.org (A lot of bickering on this site. But a good place to do a search and read posts on people with MS and Lyme).If this were me, I would not be submitting to a spinal tap. FWIW.Best,