Vitamins and supplements

[Guest guest]

Hi, All,

I've been reading people's accounts of what vitamins they take, and I

can't help but share something (very speculative) that my LLMD told me.

(And he's a good guy). He asked me to humor him, and NOT take vitamins.

(I can't remember what he said about the supplements, like DHEA, but I'm

no longer taking that either).

He said he believes that taking vitamins is feeding the enemy. The only

way a cell can deal with the Lyme bacteria (which gets in cells) is to

starve it out. A cell by itself can't do more. And, for example, the

Lyme bacteria don't have a B6 strain. He said he believes we get enough

vitamins in bread and milk, etc., and that taking extra vitamins simply

feeds the bacteria.

(I have not gotten test results back, so I don't know WHICH Lyme bacteria

he referred to, but I think he meant Bb).

So he asks his patients not to take extra vitamins. I don't think he has

scientific " proof " for this yet, but he asks his patients to humor him on

it.

I don't mean to change anyone's approach if it is working for them - just

to let you know what I learned.

Thanks Marie

[Guest guest]

> He said he believes that taking vitamins is feeding the enemy. The only

> way a cell can deal with the Lyme bacteria (which gets in cells) is to

> starve it out. A cell by itself can't do more. And, for example, the

> Lyme bacteria don't have a B6 strain. He said he believes we get enough

> vitamins in bread and milk, etc., and that taking extra vitamins simply

> feeds the bacteria.

In my personal experience, I started feeling better after I went off

everything!! I was on numerous vitamins, minerals and supplements. I went

off all antibiotics many years ago and then started on the " natural " stuff.

You name it and I was on it ... because someone said it worked for them,

because of an advertisement I saw, because of something I read, just

because. I finally weaned myself off everything ... and I do feel better.

The headaches aren't as bad, the arthritis isn't as bad. It's amazing!

Well, I didn't go off " everything " . I take a daily multi-vitamin with

calcium. Period.

I think that we get our bodies so full of supplements and " natural " stuff

that the body just can't do what it's supposed to do. I'm not a scientist

by any means and I have no degrees but it just makes sense. And like I

said, totally my personal experience, after I quit the abx and then when I

quit the supplements, I started feeling better.

I'm not suggesting anyone try this, not at all. Just telling you my story!!

Ann (TX)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 99-12-19 03:14:32 EST, you write:

<< So he asks his patients not to take extra vitamins. I don't think he has

scientific " proof " for this yet, but he asks his patients to humor him on

it.

>>

Dear Marie,

Very interesting approach. Someone just posted an abstract stating that

cancer patients should avoid vit C - seems absurd to me. (Don't mean to pick

on you or your doc at all.)

I can say that from Bb & Babesia, daughter is severely deficient in ZINC

(critical to immune system & very easy to test for - any holistic doc can

give you small amount of clear liquid to " swoosh " around in mouth for 30

seconds - if it tastes awful immediately, you have enough - if no taste (as

my daughter) - you need supplement - I LOVE these non-invasive tests! VBG!)

She feels much, much better taking it.

Also, she was so low on B vitamins that corners of her mouth had very slight

cracks. 2 days of 2 vit B complex (very high quality from doc) & cracks were

gone. She forgot to take them - wa-la cracks reappeared.

Her acupuncture meridians were way off - most were " split " meaning that

electricity is not flowing through body evenly as it should. Some of her

results wer totally off the chart (this is NOT a subjective test - can hear

response - " alarm state " & meter jumps & sounds like small siren; low or very

sluggish state, needle on monitor hardly moves or just a bit & makes sick

sound. AMAZING STUFF!)

After 1 acupuncture treatment & the addition of these supplements &

prescription protein shake (to reduce inflammation by resetting hormones - I

thought this might be BS - she took 3 shakes that day & eyelid swelling was

GONE in am), she is feeling much, much better.

I believe one must do all one can to support body through crisis situation.

JMO

Blessings & velcros,

Chris

[Guest guest]

Dear Marie & All,

Oops - forgot to mention flax / calcium/magnesium / co-q-10, milk thistle &

EPA with GLAs. These have made a HUGE difference in how she feels - this I

know for certain. A couple of times she forgot to take them & felt awful by

early afternoon. Within about 1 hr of taking these, she felt much, much

better - time to go out & ride bike!

All of these (except milk thistle for gentle liver support) are critical to

nerve / heart / brain oxygenation, capillary strength & actually increasing

frontal lobe activity in brain (per research tapes & reading I've done - I'm

not a doc - THANK GOD from what I've seen of most of them. LOL!).

Calcium / magnesium, when taken before bed, actually works while we sleep to

repair damaged nerve endings...

Blessings & velcro hugs,

Chris

[Guest guest]

hi, regarding the suggestion to take vitamins and supplements, a word

of caution.

check carefully before taking, for 2 reasons, they can interact with

prescription medicines, i.e. st johns wort, and cause problems.

also, some are meant to boost the immune system, we don't need that,

since that causes this lovely disease. over the years i would try

this or that to make my psoriasis better and end up making everything

worse because my immune system went crazy.

pharmacists are pretty knowledgeable about medicines but not vitamins

and supplements. i would get a book on them to read before trying

anything. evening primrose oil was always a good one to take

for arthritis.

susan in ohio

ps, i take enbrel 2x twice a week to fight stubborn psoriasis,no

mtx it almost destroyed my liver, working great after 2 months.

[Guest guest]

Aetna, my health ins. provider, sent e-mail referring all insureds to

www.vitacost.com for wholesale prices on vitamins and supps. I have

used it and it saves 60 to 85% on costs. I bought SAMe for $14.95

when costs $50.00 at Kroger. Aetna does not have any financial

interest that I know of.

Hope this is not off topic.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > hi,

> >

> > I read several times (hygenist idea) that artificial vitamins

where

> a

> > rip-off and that we should only get vitamins from natural sources

> > (whole foods). They say that the body simply gets rid of them.

They

> > say the same about salt.

> >

> > What do you think, Bee? (I post this message because I can't

manage

> > to afford all the supplements).

>

> ++Hi . Many artificial (synthetic) supplements have been

used

> by Orthomolecular Physicians (OPs) for over 60 years to

successfully

> treat many diseases, including cancer. For example: Ascorbic acid

is

> not a true vitamin C but it acts just like vitamin C in the body.

> OPs have been administering intravenous megadoses of it to cure

> cancer. Some vitamins are only from natural sources, i.e. vitamins

> A, D & E in the forms I recommend.

>

> > At the moment, I'm taking the electrolyte drink, some

> multivitamins, garlic oil as a supplement, high dose probiotics and

> cod liver oil (unfortunately not blue ice). I was taking vitimin C

> but there was aspartam in it!!!

>

> > I read multivitamins weren't best... Is it " not best " or

> > actually " detrimental " . Should I stop them before the pack is

over?

>

> +++Multivitamins aren't detrimental, however it is impossible to

cram

> that much into one pill and still maintain quality and the correct

> amounts of each nutrient. Garlic oil supplements do not contain

all

> of the benefits of raw crushed garlic.

>

> +++, you've been on the program a short time yet you are

> already taking garlic and high doses of probiotics? You only add

> garlic " after " you are able to take 6 tbl. of unrefined coconut oil

> without getting severe die-off. Also probiotics are the last thing

> to add. Taking these too soon causes die-off symptoms that aren't

> necessary.

> >

> > What do you think about my supplement intake?

>

> +++Every supplement on my list is important, and in the amounts

> listed. You can eat 6 ounces of red meat liver twice a week

instead

> of taking B vitamins, but the Niacin is very important in addition.

>

> +++Since dairy products aren't on the candida diet, and they are

the

> best source of cal/mag, they must be obtained from supplements.

You

> can make calcium from eggshells, but magnesium supplements must be

> purchased.

>

> +++Can't you get your parents to pay for your supplements since

they

> are so important for your future?

>

> The best, Bee

>

Thank you for the advice. Unfortunately, my parents think I'm a

health freak and can't stand my complaining all the time. Before

coming to this website, I went to many different practicioners who

couldn't find what was wrong with me. So I think they believe I'm a

hypochondriac and they're used to seeing me wasting my time and their

money and doing peculiar things. They think I'm half crazy eating

that much butter and avoiding stuff everyone eats. My father drinks

quite a lot (though I wouldn't call him a alcoholic) and smokes

cigares. We don't have the same philosophy about life at all and he

definitely thinks I'm crazy with my ideas on diet. I don't know how I

could tell them that I really need all these supplements for as long

as 20 months.

I'm trying to buy them as much as I can. I'm doing the bone broth as

well and I'll buy some magnesium if it's really necessary.

.

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Would you please " trim your messages? " The instructions were emailed

to you when you joined, and they are also posted every 2 weeks on the

Group - do a Message Search to find them.

Thanks a bunch, Bee

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>

> Thank you for the advice. Unfortunately, my parents think I'm a

> health freak and can't stand my complaining all the time. Before

> coming to this website, I went to many different practicioners who

> couldn't find what was wrong with me. So I think they believe I'm a

> hypochondriac and they're used to seeing me wasting my time and

their

> money and doing peculiar things. They think I'm half crazy eating

> that much butter and avoiding stuff everyone eats. My father drinks

> quite a lot (though I wouldn't call him a alcoholic) and smokes

> cigares. We don't have the same philosophy about life at all and he

> definitely thinks I'm crazy with my ideas on diet. I don't know how

I

> could tell them that I really need all these supplements for as

long

> as 20 months.

> I'm trying to buy them as much as I can. I'm doing the bone broth

as

> well and I'll buy some magnesium if it's really necessary.

>

> .