Re: DHEA levels

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, conniek wrote:

Hi All:

My e-mail program has been out for more than a week: glad

to be back. I don't know what DHEA does, but as per instructions from my

LLMD I take each morning before I eat anything :Dale 's

Emulsified Norwegian Cod Liver Oil " /1 tps. which has EPA 460-552 mg and

DHA 420-500 mg as well as Vitamin A (4600 IU) and V. D (460 IU) and V. E

(1 IU). This has helped by eye-sight as well as what else this is for.

Glen from Beautiful Hunterdon County, NJ

> Hi Everyone,

> I'm not posting as much, back to school, very busy.

>

> I'm am saving my urine all day today..........fun.

> Has anyone ever had their DHEA levels tested?

> Especially those with sleep problems.........I think it works closely with

> melatonin.............my neurologist ordered the test............lyme throws

> so many things out of whack.........will let you know what she finds.

> Conniek nwnj

> Anyone really know what DHEA does??

> Leave no stone unturned.......and ask questions!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Connie:

Go to

http://www.womenshealth.com

and type: DHEA on the left and hit search.

Also, type: Dhea sleep and hit search.

You should find lots of info. Let us know how you make out with

testing and if you take the Dhea.

good luck

hugs,

lea

> Hi Everyone,

> I'm not posting as much, back to school, very busy.

>

> I'm am saving my urine all day today..........fun.

> Has anyone ever had their DHEA levels tested?

> Especially those with sleep problems.........I think it works

closely with

> melatonin.............my neurologist ordered the

test............lyme throws

> so many things out of whack.........will let you know what she

finds.

> Conniek nwnj

> Anyone really know what DHEA does??

> Leave no stone unturned.......and ask questions!

[Guest guest]

hi

the test i had about two years ago for dhea levels not only had diffenent

values for men + women but was divided by age range.

:20-29

30-39

all the way up to 70- 79

each age grouping and sex grouping had differnet ranges corrosponding to

physiological changes with age /sex

somish.

[Guest guest]

Just curious about DHEA...and if the vitamins can restore the

levels to a healthy range and thus cure my T levels.-----

Just for the record, DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone) is not a vitamin.

It is a androgenic hormonal substance. It is frequently called an

hormonal precurser, but I rather think that the definition might have

changed since the discoveries of specific DHEA receptor sites and

DHEA's apparent actions on its own. I do see it increasingly

referred to as a hormone.

I have given more thought to this question of DHEA's propensity to

convert to estrogen or testosterone. I believe DHEA will readily

convert to estrogen in women if this hormone is lacking and to

testosterone in men again if T levels are sub-normal.

Its effects on me are purely androgenic even if I use too much of it

(in which cases my libido goes through the roof far past my normal

libido to the point of an obsession/distraction). I am on estrogen

replacement therapy.

But I know at least one other menopausal woman, *not* on estrogen

replacement, who has reported that DHEA has a dramatic effect as far

as reoxygenating vaginal tissues and eliminating hot flashes (both

estrogenic effects) but hadn't touched her flagging sex drive

(androgenic effect). Hopefully with continued use, once her estrogen

levels were thoroughly replenished, the DHEA has begun to fill in the

testosterone gap.

A lot of men on TRT report estrogenic effects from DHEA, but studies

of older hypogonadal men *not* receiving supplemental testosterone

have reported androgenic effects from DHEA.

Maybe other factors influence whether DHEA remains androgenic and

goes the short route to testosterone or takes the longer route to

estrogen conversion. (Or whether it acts on its own, producing

effects similar to those of other hormones.)

[Guest guest]

DHEA will not make you T levels go up. I am primary and yes my T was 120 and my

LH and FSH were above the mid range. Yet after 21 yrs on TRT I started on HCG

and my levels went up and I feel my best on this.

Phil

rockin813 <rockin813@...> wrote:

Do DHEA levels get altered if you're on TRT? I had mine checked after

10 days of TRT (didn't have a reading before TRT)...anyway it was on

the very low side. So I bought DHEA 25mg vitamins from GNC. As

mentioned before my E2 levels were 17 (range was <54). so my E2 wasn't

impacted from TRT (well at least didn't shoot up). im wondering if my

DHEA was altered. i know my DHT was as it's beyond the max range..but

then again it could've been high since i quit the propecia.

Just curious about DHEA...and if the vitamins can restore the levels to

a healthy range and thus cure my T levels. also, for those who are

primary hypo...were your LH levels outside the range?...ppl mention on

the high side but in order to declare your testes as failing wouldn't

LH have to be beyond the high side of the range? or high but within

range suggest testes not performing to full capacity.

[Guest guest]

anyway, my T levels are subnormal so i did buy the

25mg time released tablets. today is the 2nd day taking them...GNC guy

said he noticed differences in a week. we'll see if i can say the same

thing...though im also just restarting my TRT so i won't know which

worked (if anything does improve) over the next few weeks.----

This combination therapy does not have a good track record. I would

try one or the other, or one at a time for a period of months and then

the other, for comparison.

[Guest guest]

what if you're secondary hypo...can DHEA tablets restore T levels? so your T

was 120 after 21 yrs of TRT and then shot up with HCG. what did the HCG do

other than substitute LH? where did the T come from?..your testes from the HCG

med? if so, why take the TRT anymore?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:DHEA will not make you T levels go

up. I am primary and yes my T was 120 and my LH and FSH were above the mid

range. Yet after 21 yrs on TRT I started on HCG and my levels went up and I

feel my best on this.

Phil

rockin813 <rockin813@...> wrote:

Do DHEA levels get altered if you're on TRT? I had mine checked after

10 days of TRT (didn't have a reading before TRT)...anyway it was on

the very low side. So I bought DHEA 25mg vitamins from GNC. As

mentioned before my E2 levels were 17 (range was <54). so my E2 wasn't

impacted from TRT (well at least didn't shoot up). im wondering if my

DHEA was altered. i know my DHT was as it's beyond the max range..but

then again it could've been high since i quit the propecia.

Just curious about DHEA...and if the vitamins can restore the levels to

a healthy range and thus cure my T levels. also, for those who are

primary hypo...were your LH levels outside the range?...ppl mention on

the high side but in order to declare your testes as failing wouldn't

LH have to be beyond the high side of the range? or high but within

range suggest testes not performing to full capacity.

[Guest guest]

As phil mentioned this isn't a viable substitute for

someone that is hypogonadic.-----

At least one clinical study refutes this viewpoint. I'll be digging

around for it to use as source material on my HRT website. When I

find it I'll post the link.

[Guest guest]

My Dr. told me I am getting some from my Testis and other glains that can make T

and some from cells we don't know about. I am primary and my levels doubled on

Hcg.

Phil

Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

what if you're secondary hypo...can DHEA tablets restore T levels? so your T

was 120 after 21 yrs of TRT and then shot up with HCG. what did the HCG do

other than substitute LH? where did the T come from?..your testes from the HCG

med? if so, why take the TRT anymore?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:DHEA will not make you T levels go

up. I am primary and yes my T was 120 and my LH and FSH were above the mid

range. Yet after 21 yrs on TRT I started on HCG and my levels went up and I

feel my best on this.

Phil

rockin813 <rockin813@...> wrote:

Do DHEA levels get altered if you're on TRT? I had mine checked after

10 days of TRT (didn't have a reading before TRT)...anyway it was on

the very low side. So I bought DHEA 25mg vitamins from GNC. As

mentioned before my E2 levels were 17 (range was <54). so my E2 wasn't

impacted from TRT (well at least didn't shoot up). im wondering if my

DHEA was altered. i know my DHT was as it's beyond the max range..but

then again it could've been high since i quit the propecia.

Just curious about DHEA...and if the vitamins can restore the levels to

a healthy range and thus cure my T levels. also, for those who are

primary hypo...were your LH levels outside the range?...ppl mention on

the high side but in order to declare your testes as failing wouldn't

LH have to be beyond the high side of the range? or high but within

range suggest testes not performing to full capacity.

[Guest guest]

my wife takes it.and it is good when it is taken under control

because it can convert to estrogen or testosterone.

>

>

> Has anyone had their DHEA levels tested? I have RRMS for almost 6

> years now. On Rebif for 3.5 years and just started LDN 5 weeks

ago.

>

> My new dr. has just run a huge battery of tests on me. Most of

which

> actually came back pretty good. We were both surprised. Body

> composition overall good - cell integrity, body mass index, muscle

> mass, liver, kidneys, thyroid good, iron a little low, sugar fine,

> body ph levels, no parasites, no yeast, vitamins, minerals etc.

>

> However - I was significantly low on some antioxidant leves:

> Gamma-Tocopherol, Coenzyme Q-10 and Lycopene. Also my DHEA levels

> were extremely low - they should be around 7.5 but they are at 2.2

so

> I have the DHEA levels of an 80 year-old !!!

>

> Anyone have their DHEA levels tested - just wondering?

>

> From what I understand - and this is quoting - DHEA can be called

the

> adrenal stress, immunity and longevity hormone. The two endogenous

> steroids, DHEA and DHEA-S are readily in convertible in the living

> system. Some attributes of DHEA:

>

> life extension

> anti-aging

> significant improvement of performance inthe aged

> immune system stimulation

> regulatory function of interleukin-2 production

> protection of the thymus gland from shrinkage

> anti-diabetic

> anti-obesity

> regulation of lean muscle mass prod.

> fat-burner

> role in conversion of fat to muscle

> anti-cancer

> anti-atherosclerotic

> pot-menopausal benefits

> dementia

> alzheimer's disease

> cognition, memory, learning

> anti-depression

> anti-aids

> anti-viral

> anti-ebv

> endurance

> coronary heart disease risk reduction

> importance in pregnancy

> lupus erythematosus

> bio clock for seasons of life

>

> Just wondering if anyone else has started taking DHEA for their low

> levels?

>

> Thanks all,

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

> > Has anyone had their DHEA levels tested?

I just recently got mine back, and mine too is low.(4...and I just

turned 36 yrs. old) I had to order mine online, since my previous

doctor REFUSED to test my adrenals, even though I have thyroid

problems. I tried getting her to understand the thyroid, adrenals and

pituitary axis all needs to work in harmony before I will truly feel

'normal.'If one is honestly working on being healthy, the whole

picture needs to be looked at, not just the current 'frame'.My current

doctor (whom is a family member) said one should NEVER take any more

than 5 mg. of DHEA<<<however, this is strongly debated from one doctor

to the next. The usual 25 and 50 mg. doses pose so many risks and side

effects such as weight gain, hair loss, mood swings, anxiety disorders

and acne.

Also, one should take a DHEA holiday....either take it every other

day, or a week on week off. Pay close attention to your body and how

you feel. These hormones are very tricky to regulate, as they

fluctuate throughout the day, and each lab, testing method and person

is different. Also, there doesn't seem to be any definitive studies.

They all contradict one another, or are inconclusive (at least all the

ones I have looked at...ones that aren't funded by the company trying

to sell their product) I have also read that the 'natural' form is

unproductive, as the body can not convert the natural substance to

DHEA. One needs to have DHEA that has already been converted through

about 8 chemical processes in the lab.This is why my doctor feels

Endocronology is more of an 'art' than a science, however he feels 7

out of 10 Endos would say it is a science..lol.

Did you have cortisol testing along with the other tests? If so, was

it serum or saliva? My cortisol was also very low upon waking in the

morning. The 2 afternoon levels were low, but not too bad, and my

midnight level was the highest. This means my rhythm is off.

Supposedly the fatigued adrenals find it easiest to produce when the

body is at rest. I feel this is part of the reason I wake so often

during the night.

I also have thyroid problems from Graves Disease and am now

hypothyroid from Radioactive Iodine Treatment.

Anyway, I am just about to embark on the DHEA journey. I just added

AdrenPlus which has bovine adrenal hormones in it, a week ago today. I

quickly found out that 600 mg. was WAY too much for me,(this was the

recommended dose) as I was bouncing off the walls...lol..backed down

to 300mg, and feel much better.

Still, nothing has worked better for me more than the LDN. With a TSH

of 3.4,(and FT4 within range...but low) I was still very hypo feeling

and symptomatic. Again, my previous doctor refused to up my dose of

Synthroid....saying I was 'within range' That is when I started the

LDN, and I finally feel normal again.

Good luck, and please keep me updated. I am very interested in seeing

how someone else with low DHEA reacts to replacement.

Saundra

ps, this site has a lot of info.

http://www.naturalnews.com/008953.html

[Guest guest]

I keep reading all your enlightening posts about the value of

supplements and agree 100%. However, I am confused about dosage. I

take 25mg DHEA/day. It that enough? How much is too much (toxicity)?

Also, I have found, per the experience of others, that magnesium and B-

1 are incredibly good for my fibro numbness and tingling and

generalized aches. Am taking 250 mg magnesium in a.m. plus 100mg B-1

and in evening calcium/mg tab that has 25mg magnesium and then another

100 mg B-1. It's the ole', if this is working would more be

better...or, am I overdoing it at the present dosage? Thanks for all

your terrific help!

[Guest guest]

Just saw your post. WOW!. I don't think I will be taking any more

DHEA. I knew something is making me constantly hungry and that has to

be it. I don't know what my DHEA levels are so probably best not to

supplement (if it ain't broke don't fix it). Thanks for your info.

[Guest guest]

-Right!!! From what I read, it seems it can be quite dangerous, and

easily overdosed on. Plus, there doesn't seem to be a standard on

correct dosing, as each person is different. There are so very many

variables. I wish I could find the doctors' site that I read..I will

look for it and send it to you if I can find it.

Hormones are very tricky to regulate...ask any menopausal woman...LOL

Saundra

-- In low dose naltrexone , " sugargpaw " <pwstanton@...>

wrote:

>

> Just saw your post. WOW!. I don't think I will be taking any more

> DHEA. I knew something is making me constantly hungry and that has to

> be it. I don't know what my DHEA levels are so probably best not to

> supplement (if it ain't broke don't fix it). Thanks for your info.

>

[Guest guest]

Found it....

http://www.raysahelian.com/dhea.html

> >

> > Just saw your post. WOW!. I don't think I will be taking any more

> > DHEA. I knew something is making me constantly hungry and that

has to

> > be it. I don't know what my DHEA levels are so probably best not to

> > supplement (if it ain't broke don't fix it). Thanks for your info.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Saundra,

Thanks for the info I'll check out the sight.

I am 35 and my DHEA is only at 2.2 - ahh !

I'm on 10mg and will talk to my doc about monitoring. I'm not sure if

cortisol was checked but I have all my results so will look into it.

Thanks and I will keep you posted.

>

> -

> > > Has anyone had their DHEA levels tested?

>

> I just recently got mine back, and mine too is low.(4...and I just

> turned 36 yrs. old) I had to order mine online, since my previous

> doctor REFUSED to test my adrenals, even though I have thyroid

> problems. I tried getting her to understand the thyroid, adrenals and

> pituitary axis all needs to work in harmony before I will truly feel

> 'normal.'If one is honestly working on being healthy, the whole

> picture needs to be looked at, not just the current 'frame'.My current

> doctor (whom is a family member) said one should NEVER take any more

> than 5 mg. of DHEA<<<however, this is strongly debated from one doctor

> to the next. The usual 25 and 50 mg. doses pose so many risks and side

> effects such as weight gain, hair loss, mood swings, anxiety disorders

> and acne.

> Also, one should take a DHEA holiday....either take it every other

> day, or a week on week off. Pay close attention to your body and how

> you feel. These hormones are very tricky to regulate, as they

> fluctuate throughout the day, and each lab, testing method and person

> is different. Also, there doesn't seem to be any definitive studies.

> They all contradict one another, or are inconclusive (at least all the

> ones I have looked at...ones that aren't funded by the company trying

> to sell their product) I have also read that the 'natural' form is

> unproductive, as the body can not convert the natural substance to

> DHEA. One needs to have DHEA that has already been converted through

> about 8 chemical processes in the lab.This is why my doctor feels

> Endocronology is more of an 'art' than a science, however he feels 7

> out of 10 Endos would say it is a science..lol.

> Did you have cortisol testing along with the other tests? If so, was

> it serum or saliva? My cortisol was also very low upon waking in the

> morning. The 2 afternoon levels were low, but not too bad, and my

> midnight level was the highest. This means my rhythm is off.

> Supposedly the fatigued adrenals find it easiest to produce when the

> body is at rest. I feel this is part of the reason I wake so often

> during the night.

> I also have thyroid problems from Graves Disease and am now

> hypothyroid from Radioactive Iodine Treatment.

> Anyway, I am just about to embark on the DHEA journey. I just added

> AdrenPlus which has bovine adrenal hormones in it, a week ago today. I

> quickly found out that 600 mg. was WAY too much for me,(this was the

> recommended dose) as I was bouncing off the walls...lol..backed down

> to 300mg, and feel much better.

> Still, nothing has worked better for me more than the LDN. With a TSH

> of 3.4,(and FT4 within range...but low) I was still very hypo feeling

> and symptomatic. Again, my previous doctor refused to up my dose of

> Synthroid....saying I was 'within range' That is when I started the

> LDN, and I finally feel normal again.

> Good luck, and please keep me updated. I am very interested in seeing

> how someone else with low DHEA reacts to replacement.

> Saundra

> ps, this site has a lot of info.

> http://www.naturalnews.com/008953.html

>

[Guest guest]

OK...let me take something back. I said one should NEVER take more

than 5 mg. He was talking about someone who isn't under a doctors

care.----I guess I meant to say one should NEVER take 25mg or higher.

Sorry,

Saundra

-- In low dose naltrexone , " " <juliedodaro@...> wrote:

>

> Saundra,

> Thanks for the info I'll check out the sight.

> I am 35 and my DHEA is only at 2.2 - ahh !

> I'm on 10mg and will talk to my doc about monitoring. I'm not sure if

> cortisol was checked but I have all my results so will look into it.

> Thanks and I will keep you posted.

>

>

>

> >

> > -

> > > > Has anyone had their DHEA levels tested?

> >

> > I just recently got mine back, and mine too is low.(4...and I just

> > turned 36 yrs. old) I had to order mine online, since my previous

> > doctor REFUSED to test my adrenals, even though I have thyroid

> > problems. I tried getting her to understand the thyroid, adrenals and

> > pituitary axis all needs to work in harmony before I will truly feel

> > 'normal.'If one is honestly working on being healthy, the whole

> > picture needs to be looked at, not just the current 'frame'.My current

> > doctor (whom is a family member) said one should NEVER take any more

> > than 5 mg. of DHEA<<<however, this is strongly debated from one doctor

> > to the next. The usual 25 and 50 mg. doses pose so many risks and side

> > effects such as weight gain, hair loss, mood swings, anxiety disorders

> > and acne.

> > Also, one should take a DHEA holiday....either take it every other

> > day, or a week on week off. Pay close attention to your body and how

> > you feel. These hormones are very tricky to regulate, as they

> > fluctuate throughout the day, and each lab, testing method and person

> > is different. Also, there doesn't seem to be any definitive studies.

> > They all contradict one another, or are inconclusive (at least all the

> > ones I have looked at...ones that aren't funded by the company trying

> > to sell their product) I have also read that the 'natural' form is

> > unproductive, as the body can not convert the natural substance to

> > DHEA. One needs to have DHEA that has already been converted through

> > about 8 chemical processes in the lab.This is why my doctor feels

> > Endocronology is more of an 'art' than a science, however he feels 7

> > out of 10 Endos would say it is a science..lol.

> > Did you have cortisol testing along with the other tests? If so, was

> > it serum or saliva? My cortisol was also very low upon waking in the

> > morning. The 2 afternoon levels were low, but not too bad, and my

> > midnight level was the highest. This means my rhythm is off.

> > Supposedly the fatigued adrenals find it easiest to produce when the

> > body is at rest. I feel this is part of the reason I wake so often

> > during the night.

> > I also have thyroid problems from Graves Disease and am now

> > hypothyroid from Radioactive Iodine Treatment.

> > Anyway, I am just about to embark on the DHEA journey. I just added

> > AdrenPlus which has bovine adrenal hormones in it, a week ago today. I

> > quickly found out that 600 mg. was WAY too much for me,(this was the

> > recommended dose) as I was bouncing off the walls...lol..backed down

> > to 300mg, and feel much better.

> > Still, nothing has worked better for me more than the LDN. With a TSH

> > of 3.4,(and FT4 within range...but low) I was still very hypo feeling

> > and symptomatic. Again, my previous doctor refused to up my dose of

> > Synthroid....saying I was 'within range' That is when I started the

> > LDN, and I finally feel normal again.

> > Good luck, and please keep me updated. I am very interested in seeing

> > how someone else with low DHEA reacts to replacement.

> > Saundra

> > ps, this site has a lot of info.

> > http://www.naturalnews.com/008953.html

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Saundra. I have no idea what my levels are so I think that

taking anything at this point may be dangerous. You know we all want

to say " wow that helped someone else " but must take into consideration

what our body is doing. I will make sure I am a candidate.