Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 > > Hi Guys, > > Someone ask about LDN and Candida. > > Well this is what Dr Bob Lawrence had to say to me when I asked him about Candida: > > " The use of anti-Candida therapy is a futile and pointless logic when the aim should be to boost the immune system, so that Candida simply ceases to have any pathological effect. The key to successful treatment of MS is effectively boosting the immune system. This is the prime purpose of the LDN. " > > All the best > > Sylvie =========== If you will visit Dr. McCandless' LDN and Autism forum you'll see just how LDN performs in her patients who have an abundance of candida yeast. McCandless is the doctor who performed the LDN clinical trial with Autistic patients and people with various autoimmune system diseases. Now she is conducting the LDN and HIV clinical trial in Africa. McCandless uses candida fighting supplements and diet with her autistic clients and any other adult with an autoimmune system disease willing to do diet and supplements. It's McCandless' research that has shown many here that it's best to tackle candida yeast overgrowth. But it is up to us whether we want to get better or continue to feel lousy. I prefer to feel better and keep my candida yeast under control as much as possible. I am also one who has never experienced a MS relapse while on LDN, will be 5 years in July. I have progressive/relapsing MS, a form of MS that never see's remissions and has acute exacerbations that generally leaves some permanent damage. Well, with LDN, keeping my candida yeast under good control and getting exercise I have been in remission 5 years with no relapses within that 5 years with my LDN use and candida yeast fighting protocol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 > > If you will visit Dr. McCandless' LDN and Autism forum you'll see just > how LDN performs in her patients who have an abundance of candida > yeast. McCandless is the doctor who performed the LDN clinical trial > with Autistic patients and people with various autoimmune system > diseases. Now she is conducting the LDN and HIV clinical trial in > Africa. McCandless uses candida fighting supplements and diet with > her autistic clients and any other adult with an autoimmune system > disease willing to do diet and supplements. > > It's McCandless' research that has shown many here that it's best to > tackle candida yeast overgrowth. But it is up to us whether we want > to get better or continue to feel lousy. I prefer to feel better and > keep my candida yeast under control as much as possible. I am also > one who has never experienced a MS relapse while on LDN, will be 5 > years in July. I have progressive/relapsing MS, a form of MS that > never see's remissions and has acute exacerbations that generally > leaves some permanent damage. Well, with LDN, keeping my candida > yeast under good control and getting exercise I have been in remission > 5 years with no relapses within that 5 years with my LDN use and > candida yeast fighting protocol. > > ===================================================================== Dear , I have been on Diflucan for 4 days now and hopefully I can get my candida yeast overgrowth under control. I am the one who posted about LDN not working after working really well for 5 months. I just need some reassurance that what I am doing is the right thing and LDN will work it's wonders again. I did notice some saliva coming back 3 hours after I took the first Diflucan but the following days the saliva production stayed at that level with no further improvement. When I was first on LDN, it reversed my dry mouth in just 8 days and I am wondering what should I be expecting and how long I would see some real results. I know that there is no definite answer but your reassurance that what I am doing (Diflucan and diet ) will bring me back my health would be able to keep me going. Thanks , C > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 > Dear , > > I have been on Diflucan for 4 days now and hopefully I can get my > candida yeast overgrowth under control. I am the one who posted > about LDN not working after working really well for 5 months. I > just need some reassurance that what I am doing is the right thing > and LDN will work it's wonders again. I did notice some saliva > coming back 3 hours after I took the first Diflucan but the > following days the saliva production stayed at that level with no > further improvement. When I was first on LDN, it reversed my dry > mouth in just 8 days and I am wondering what should I be expecting > and how long I would see some real results. I know that there is > no definite answer but your reassurance that what I am doing > (Diflucan and diet ) will bring me back my health would be able to > keep me going. > Thanks , > > C ========== Chris Dr. McCandless uses Diflucan with many of her patients, she recommended it for me. Of course I cannot give you any guarantees. I will say, the more you do for you health the better off you'll be in the future. You may not be 100%, I am nowhere near 100% well but I've come so far that I am thrilled to be where I am today. Along with the Diflucan I did an extreme low carb diet for 6 months, no dairy or any sort of yeast with that low carb diet. I made sure I took extra potassium and magnesium and a good multi-vitamin and drank plenty of spring water because a low carb diet pulls fluid off. I did supplements of Garlinase(garlic high in allicin) took 3 Garlinase per day, took 4 probiotics per day(Solaray brand of Multidophilus)--it's the refrigerate kind, Oil of Oregano, Olive Leaf Extract, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Capryllic Acid, Apple Cider Vinegar, YeastMax and ParaMax and LiverMax by Advanced Naturals(I have a site that you can order these kits from) the company sells in bulk but they gave me a site to be able to order individual kits. I detoxed something fierce. Looked like I had chicken pox for 2 weeks, had hives, nausea, headache, extra fatigue, dizziness but I survived. I do a candida detox 2 to 3 times a year now and a Liver detox 1 to 2 times a year. i notice the longer I am on LDN and continue to compliment it with combatting candida yeast and doing Liver detoxes I notice some subtle improvement every year. I have noticed this year that my eyes and mouth are not as dry as they were when I started LDN 5 years ago. My LDN causes dry mouth overnight but during the day that does improve. I'm not using as much natural tear solution as I used to. I have had to put myself into the mindset like Reeve did. LDN gave me enough to help " ME " be able to put Humpty Dumpty here somewhat back together, many of the pieces are still missing or have major cracks but I keep on keepin' on looking for ways to keep what I've got and possibly improve on it. Some of my experiments are duds and some only do a little and every once in awhile I'll try a concoction and say, HEY, looky here at what this did, ain't that GREAT!! I make it a point to stay away from traditional doctors and that choice has been a Godsend. If it's something my alternative medicine doc cannot handle I'll resort to traditional. Haven't seen a traditional doc in 5 years. I read many books on nutritional healing and educate myself on supplements, vitamins and minerals. The best book to learn from is Prescription for Nutritional Healing Third Edition by and Phyllis Balch. There is a 4th Edition by Phyllis Balch but I have found it to be too heavy and bulky. It has 999 pages. The 3rd edition is maroon in color, 4th edition is orange. Type in your search engine like google, Prescription for Nutritional Healing Third Edition by and Phyllis Balch I feel I was born with candida yeast overgrowth, a huge abundance of it and that was the cause of my autoimmunity. I was born spastic from head to toe and with projectile vomiting and a left 6th nerve palsy & had chronic ear infections. I screamed in pain so much as an infant that I developed a hernia and had an outie navel until I was 9 years old. I still have the hernia. I've never known life without pain. I had daily headaches most of my life and lived on asprin. Spasticity has only worsened over the years. I developed chronic diarrhea and cramps at age 9 1/2, was almost 10, blurry & double vision by age 12 & 13 and things got worse and worse as years passed and chronic progressive MS developed by age 26. Wishing everyone the best with any treatment you choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 , I think the best part of your describing your health path / plan / story is that you DID NOT GIVE UP. You didn't specifically say those words, but as you describe trying different things...and had the attitude, that if one experiment didn't work so well....then you would try something else. Hearing this can be an inspiration for someone struggling with their own path. I also think your focus on nutrition is key. Best wishes... Jann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 hi since diflucan is hard on liver and my pharmacist tells me LDN is too is it risky to take both at same time? i am on 150 mg diflucan weekly but have been thinking of getting off of it since i started LDN this week. am on candida diet. thanks monique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Hi Your pharmacist isn't completely correct in saying that LDN is hard on the liver. There were some results in studies where naltrexone (the N in LDN) was used in high doses primarily for opiate addictions (although there were a few examples in the studies using naltrexone for alcoholism). These studies failed to control for preexisting hepatic difficulties and only list the side effect of liver problems in an anecdotal manner. Changes in liver enzymes are not a clearly correlated problem with naltrexone use in otherwise healthy people (much less in LDN use). In fact, LDN as used for autism in children does not seem to lead to changes in liver enzyme levels. Taking diflucan (150mg weekly) would be an unusual way to take this drug for gastrointestinal candida. More typically, it is given 150mg/day for 14 to 30 days (although there is some literature which suggests that the same affect on candida eradication may be had with 150mg/day every second day for 14 to 30 days). Victor > > hi since diflucan is hard on liver and my pharmacist tells me LDN is too > is it risky to take both at same time? i am on 150 mg diflucan weekly > but have been thinking of getting off of it since i started LDN this > week. am on candida diet. > > thanks > monique > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Diflucan is okay to use with LDN. Full dose Naltrexone, 50mgs, is considered hard on the liver. Low dose Naltrexone is not. Art -- > > hi since diflucan is hard on liver and my pharmacist tells me LDN is too > is it risky to take both at same time? i am on 150 mg diflucan weekly > but have been thinking of getting off of it since i started LDN this > week. am on candida diet. > > thanks > monique > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 I thought it was at 300 MG/day in alcoholics who may have already had liver weakness [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN & Candida Diflucan is okay to use with LDN.Full dose Naltrexone, 50mgs, is considered hard on the liver. Low dose Naltrexone is not.Art-->> hi since diflucan is hard on liver and my pharmacist tells me LDN is too > is it risky to take both at same time? i am on 150 mg diflucan weekly > but have been thinking of getting off of it since i started LDN this > week. am on candida diet.> > thanks> monique>------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 >> Chris > > Dr. McCandless uses Diflucan with many of > her patients, she recommended it for me. Of course I cannot give you > any guarantees. I will say, the more you do for you health the better > off you'll be in the future. You may not be 100%, I am nowhere near > 100% well but I've come so far that I am thrilled to be where I am > today. Along with the Diflucan I did an extreme low carb diet for 6 > months, no dairy or any sort of yeast with that low carb diet. I made > sure I took extra potassium and magnesium and a good multi-vitamin and > drank plenty of spring water because a low carb diet pulls fluid off. > I did supplements of Garlinase(garlic high in allicin) took 3 > Garlinase per day, took 4 probiotics per day(Solaray brand of > Multidophilus)--it's the refrigerate kind, Oil of Oregano, Olive Leaf > Extract, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Capryllic Acid, Apple Cider Vinegar, > YeastMax and ParaMax and LiverMax by Advanced Naturals(I have a site > that you can order these kits from) the company sells in bulk but they > gave me a site to be able to order individual kits. I detoxed > something fierce. Looked like I had chicken pox for 2 weeks, had > hives, nausea, headache, extra fatigue, dizziness but I survived. > > I do a candida detox 2 to 3 times a year now and a Liver detox 1 to 2 > times a year. > > i notice the longer I am on LDN and continue to compliment it with > combatting candida yeast and doing Liver detoxes I notice some subtle > improvement every year. I have noticed this year that my eyes and > mouth are not as dry as they were when I started LDN 5 years ago. My > LDN causes dry mouth overnight but during the day that does improve. > I'm not using as much natural tear solution as I used to. > > I have had to put myself into the mindset like Reeve did. > LDN gave me enough to help " ME " be able to put Humpty Dumpty here > somewhat back together, many of the pieces are still missing or have > major cracks but I keep on keepin' on looking for ways to keep what > I've got and possibly improve on it. Some of my experiments are duds > and some only do a little and every once in awhile I'll try a > concoction and say, HEY, looky here at what this did, ain't that > GREAT!! I make it a point to stay away from traditional doctors and > that choice has been a Godsend. If it's something my alternative > medicine doc cannot handle I'll resort to traditional. Haven't seen a > traditional doc in 5 years. I read many books on nutritional healing > and educate myself on supplements, vitamins and minerals. > > The best book to learn from is Prescription for Nutritional Healing > Third Edition by and Phyllis Balch. There is a 4th Edition by > Phyllis Balch but I > have found it to be too heavy and bulky. It has 999 pages. The 3rd > edition is maroon in color, 4th edition is orange. Type in your > search engine like google, Prescription for Nutritional Healing Third > Edition by and Phyllis Balch > > I feel I was born with candida yeast overgrowth, a huge abundance of > it and that was the cause of my autoimmunity. I was born spastic from > head to toe and with projectile vomiting and a left 6th nerve palsy & > had chronic ear infections. I screamed in pain so much as an infant > that I developed a hernia and had an outie navel until I was 9 years > old. I still have the hernia. I've never known life without pain. I > had daily headaches most of my life and lived on asprin. Spasticity > has only worsened over the years. I developed chronic diarrhea and > cramps at age 9 1/2, was almost 10, blurry & double vision by age 12 & > 13 and things got worse and worse as years passed and chronic > progressive MS developed by age 26. > > Wishing everyone the best with any treatment you choose. > > ===================================================================== >, Thanks for your reply. Your persistence and courage are inspirational. My current diet is similar that all I eat are meat/poultry/fish and vegetables. I try to drink lots of water as I go through course of Diflucan, I find myself terribly constipated. I wonder should I up my dose of LDN so LDN can fight through this period where my yeast die off is emitting so much toxic into my body? Can I take probiotics concurrent to Diflucan or should I wait after the 3 weeks are up then start to replenish with probiotics? I am taking lots of magnesium to help with bowel movement. My major die off symptoms are dizziness, a lot of fatique, constipation and headache. I am praying that LDN will relieve my dry mouth again as I haven't had this symptom for a very long time (less than a month). My eyes however was not affected as much as I still don't need to put any drops in and usually they are fine with occasional grittiness and tolerable stinginess. The dry mouth symptom is difficult to adjust as I was completely healed for the 5 months. I am just hoping that this time it's not permanent. I am just so scared and your reassurance is really helpful because the die off is hard and the future is uncertain. I really need to keep a positive outlook otherwise life can be hard. Thanks, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 =================== > >, Can I take probiotics concurrent to Diflucan or should I wait after the 3 weeks > are up then start to replenish with probiotics? I am taking lots of > magnesium to help with bowel movement. My major die off symptoms > are dizziness, a lot of fatique, constipation and headache. > Thanks, Chris > ========= I took all my candida fighting supplements along with the Diflucan. Get some Rutin and take 2 in AM and 2 in PM for the constipation along with 1500mg of mag. Consider doing a Liver detox after the Diflucan. Forgot, are you on 3mg LDN or 4.5mg? Did you possibly have an amalgam(mercury) dental filling put in prior to the dry mouth and eyes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Hi , Try Candidase by Enzymedica. It works by digesting the cellulose and protein in the yeast. Take it on an empty stomach 3x a day. I’ve been using it and think it’s great. You can find it on lots of different vitamin websites. I developed problems with Diflucan over time. Be careful. Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 hi judy thanks for the tip. i'll check it out. what happened with diflucan may i ask? i take milk thistle 500 mg a day so hoping that is protecting my liver. monique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Hi , I was on Diflucan for quite a while and developed fever blisters on my lips. I stopped and they went away. I started again and they came back. That told me I needed to stop taking it. Judy Re: LDN & Candida Posted by: " Sauve " moniquesauve@... moniquesauve Sun May 11, 2008 2:13 pm (PDT) hi judy thanks for the tip. i'll check it out. what happened with diflucan may i ask? i take milk thistle 500 mg a day so hoping that is protecting my liver. monique Back to top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 1/1000 when using 300 mg day shows problems in the liver. When using 50 mg's pills each day it's necessary doing liver tests. Ingrid [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN & Candida Diflucan is okay to use with LDN.Full dose Naltrexone, 50mgs, is considered hard on the liver. Low dose Naltrexone is not.Art-->> hi since diflucan is hard on liver and my pharmacist tells me LDN is too > is it risky to take both at same time? i am on 150 mg diflucan weekly > but have been thinking of getting off of it since i started LDN this > week. am on candida diet.> > thanks> monique>------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Note to MS sufferers using LDN. For MS LDN's main purpose is to halt disease progression, not improve symptoms. If you get symptom improvement on LDN then that's an added plus, only approximately 2/3 of those with MS using LDN will see symptom improvement. LDN will not repair permanent damage already done. LDN can halt disease progression and this can allow the body to heal itself but healing is not a guarantee even if LDN halts the progression. Damage from paralysis may never improve, hearing may never return if you've lost hearing or eyesight if nerve damage has occurred. If you have candida yeast overgrowth or bacterial infections you must clean them up for LDN to work properly. You may have to clean up your diet. As doctor McCandless has said many times, LDN is not a stand alone treatment. It's not going to perform 100% miracles unless one is very mild relapsing remitting MS and has little to no damage. Check yourself for Candida(yeast overgrowth)... http://preview.tinyurl.com/c9eyzx Tests to check 4 candida yeast by Dr. McCandless http://preview.tinyurl.com/cxp6bx Multiple Sclerosis and Yeast http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/Multiple_Sclerosis.html The Official Candida, Yeast & Thrush Forum http://www.candidayeastthrushforum.com/ Candida Yeast Die Off symptoms http://tinyurl.com/yz29bno Q: Dr. JM or anyone- Does LDN cause candida? A: LDN has been noted to aggravate yeast infections and other latent pathogens, viruses, etc. as the immune system is making early adjustments. It is good to have natural yeast remedies on board when LDN is started (grapefruit seed extract, Candex, lauricidin, hi-potency probiotics, etc) to help offset this possibility. (And of course a good dietary regime that does not encourage gut inflammation which is usually the predecessor to pathogen invasion). Dr. Jaquelyn McCandless -- > > I have been on LDN for ms for 3 months now and no change. Does candida stop LDN from working? Has anyone else had this problem? > Thanks Tom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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