Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Mel wrote, >Does anyone know if there are some individuals whose bodies naturally produce >such high endogenous levels of various hormones that this would result in >their failing drug tests? Such individuals might well be more genetically >suited to given types of sport, so that their genetic makeup would >automatically put them at risk in drug tests. Has anyone seen an extensive >research project that has examined several thousands or hundreds of >individuals of different ages to assess the characteristic range of natural >levels of endogenous hormones in the human body? I've often wondered about this, especially in regards to Ed Coan. The man swears he is innocent of the last charge against him, and admitted his previous usuage. Everyone who knows Coan swears he has unquestioned integrity. He is a freakishly strong person - is it not reasonable he would have different hormones than the rest of us? I have no proof, but I've wondered about his case since he has so many people who swear he isn't the type who would lie about it if caught. Hobman Saskatoon, Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 That is a good point about naturally high hormonal levels, Mel. Clearly there must be varying degrees, however given the guidelines of the IOC testing, a ratio in the urine of testosterone (T) to epitestosterone (E) greater than 6:1 constitutes an offence, unless it is proven to be due to a physiological or pathological condition. It should be noted that the average man has a ratio of 1.3:1 which leaves a lot of room for substance use to elevate it. At an allowable ratio of 6:1 what athlete wouldn't be using something to elevate their ratio? Siscoe Montreal, Canada --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 25/09/01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 Mel Siff wrote: >Does anyone know if there are some individuals whose bodies naturally > produce such high endogenous levels of various hormones that this would result > in their failing drug tests? Such individuals might well be more > genetically suited to given types of sport, so that their genetic makeup would > automatically put them at risk in drug tests. Has anyone seen an extensive > research project that has examined several thousands or hundreds of > individuals of different ages to assess the characteristic range of natural > levels of endogenous hormones in the human body? Hobman responded: > I've often wondered about this, especially in regards to Ed Coan. The man > swears he is innocent of the last charge against him, and admitted his > previous usuage. Everyone who knows Coan swears he has unquestioned > integrity. He is a freakishly strong person - is it not reasonable he would > have different hormones than the rest of us? > > I have no proof, but I've wondered about his case since he has so many > people who swear he isn't the type who would lie about it if caught. ** I haven't got any info on hormones, but I know that EPO levels can very between individuals and therefore may have effects on positive test results for some people who haven't taken exogenous EPO. The body is a pretty amazing thing and I wouldn't be surprised to hear of such variations in hormone levels. Ben Haines Townsville, Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 Ed Coan DID compete in the IPF until banned for life due to an international court decision. He currently competes with the USPF, WPO and other organizations, but I don't think he could ever be permitted to join the USAPL (the USA affiliate, formerly ADFPA) due to the ban by the IPF. Whether he is personally tested by USPF under their rules is a question for their organization. (USPF was replaced as the IPF affiliate in the late 90's - so USPF no longer has to operate under the IPF constitutional restrictions). USAPL is most certainly an organization that performs drug testing - the rule is 10% minimum will be tested at each contest, plus there's a proviso allowing out of competition testing to be conducted as well. Meet directors can test MORE if they desire - some have gone so far as to test the top three lifters returning in each weight class at nationals, for example.... or the top three finishers at nationals they conduct. With 10 weight classes, that's 30 drug tests in about 125 lifters... plus the drug test failures are published on the USAPL web site. (Sadly this is a long list and does not merely have people failing for nandrolone, but banned substances far less readily available.....showing the clear need to continue testing.) It's pretty easy to trace where Eddy has lifted, seeing as I think he still holds some of the records or is listed on some results on the IPF web site. No matter how you view Eddy, he's extremely strong and there's no doubt about his ability to compete in the sport of powerlifting. But the court that decided he would no longer be allowed to lift in the IPF was in Switzerland, an international sports court having no real interest in powerlifting, so both sides were allowed to present such evidence as they had.... It's still very controversial but the fact is, he's under a lifetime suspension. The back issues of PLUSA magazine and other sources provide ample information if you're interested in reading the official story from all possible angles. I don't know if the court case can be found and read, but I suppose that too is a possibility. Ed has also written a book. The Phantom aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA Drug Tests >I may be wrong about this but I don't believe that Ed Coan competes in >any drug tested divisions. A thief does not hang around the court >house unless he wants to be caught. > >Jerry Tedder >burnsville USA > > > > >Modify or cancel your subscription here: > >mygroups > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 There was a case in the uk a few years back when a British female track athlete, Diane Modahl, was banned for 2 years because she was found with excessively high testosterone levels following a competition. After a lengthy appeal this ruling was over-turned, on the basis that she had naturally high levels of testosterone. On the subject of supplements. While many companies want to give their particular products an edge over the competition, i think it is unlikely that they would knowingly include substances such as nandrolone in products such as creatine or protein powders. Nandrolone is not a cheap substance, so they aren't going to throw away profits like that. Although there may well be cases where contamination with other products may have occurred, due to inadequate cleaning practices. Sports supplements aren't typically govened by the FDA (in the US) or MAFF (in the UK), so their manufacture isn't as strictly controlled as foods. Another posiblily regarding positive drug tests is that these supplements may increase the body's production of nandrolone and other anabolic substances. Investigations recently conducted in Aberdeen (UK) and Germany have suggested that certain individuals may experience an increased natural production of nandrolone following the ingestion of combinations of supplements along with hard training. phil watson Aberdeen, UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 Jerry wrote, >I may be wrong about this but I don't believe that Ed Coan competes in >any drug tested divisions. A thief does not hang around the court >house unless he wants to be caught. Ed Coan has received a life-time suspension from the IPF for his third drug infraction, which he denies any wrongdoing for. His case was appealed and taken to an international court in Switzerland, where the IPF decision was upheld. In spite of this there appeared to be some problems in the sample and many lifters still feel Ed is innocent of the third charge. As I said, he has a great reputation among almost everyone who knows him. I myself do not know Ed Coan. Hobman Saskatoon, Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 > I may be wrong about this but I don't believe that Ed Coan competes in > any drug tested divisions. A thief does not hang around the court > house unless he wants to be caught. > > Jerry Tedder > burnsville USA Coan was banned from the IPF after testing postive under VERY suspicious circumstances, there was some doubt as to the quality and validity of the tests. I do not know the details, nor am I by any means close friends with Eddie, BUT there is nothing to be gained from speculation about his character since we common folk powerlifters really aren't privy to all that went on in that particular situation. Disa Hatfield Santa Barbara, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 , Remember that Ed squatted 500 pounds at 150 pounds at fifteen years old!!At his first contest.They had to place the bar on his back as he was too short to unrack it from the jack stands.He MUST have a very unique hormonal profile as well as tendon and ligament configuration.If you look at his book you'll see the progress from one meet to the next and its unbelievable. Hundreds of pounds of progress each time out. Mark Reifkind San USA > Mel wrote, > > >Does anyone know if there are some individuals whose bodies naturally produce > >such high endogenous levels of various hormones that this would result in > >their failing drug tests? Such individuals might well be more genetically > >suited to given types of sport, so that their genetic makeup would > >automatically put them at risk in drug tests. Has anyone seen an extensive > >research project that has examined several thousands or hundreds of > >individuals of different ages to assess the characteristic range of natural > >levels of endogenous hormones in the human body? > > I've often wondered about this, especially in regards to Ed Coan. The man > swears he is innocent of the last charge against him, and admitted his > previous usuage. Everyone who knows Coan swears he has unquestioned > integrity. He is a freakishly strong person - is it not reasonable he would > have different hormones than the rest of us? > > I have no proof, but I've wondered about his case since he has so many > people who swear he isn't the type who would lie about it if caught. > > Hobman > Saskatoon, Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2001 Report Share Posted October 6, 2001 Re: Drug Tests > > > I may be wrong about this but I don't believe that Ed Coan competes in > > any drug tested divisions. A thief does not hang around the court > > house unless he wants to be caught. > > > > Jerry Tedder > > burnsville USA > > > Coan was banned from the IPF after testing postive under VERY > suspicious circumstances, there was some doubt as to the quality and > validity of the tests. I do not know the details, nor am I by any > means close friends with Eddie, BUT there is nothing to be gained from > speculation about his character since we common folk powerlifters > really aren't privy to all that went on in that particular situation. > > Disa Hatfield > Santa Barbara, CA The real problem is the IPFs lack of information regarding the Coan situation. We all heard what Coan had to say but not very many know the IPFs side of the story. We do however know that when both sides presented their evidence in front of an independent court, the IPF was the most convincing. Niels Stærkjær Denmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 Being on the EC at the time, I was quite involved with Ed's problems. The main problem for him was that the lab results were above dispute on all markers (meaning that in the analysis you don't just look at whether a banned substance is/isn't present, you look deeper). There was NOTHING suspicious about anything. > Ed Coan has received a life-time suspension from the IPF for his third > drug infraction, which he denies any wrongdoing for. His case was appealed > and taken to an international court in Switzerland, where the IPF decision > was upheld. In spite of this there appeared to be some problems in the > sample and many lifters still feel Ed is innocent of the third charge. As I > said, he has a great reputation among almost everyone who knows him. -- Dan Wagman, Ph.D., C.S.C.S. " The idea is to die young, as late as possible. " Montagu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Maybe in Calif, they have to have cause, but in GA, they can do random tests whenever they want as long as everyone in the company is subject to them. They don't have to test everyone at once, but everyone has to be in the pool for random tests. Faith is the ability to not panic. -----Original Message-----From: Liz [mailto:elwilkinson@...] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:45 PMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Patty Poo It takes at least 3 months to get pot out of your system. Drink lots of cranberry juice. After that, they have to have cause to test, toots. Take care of yourself, Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 I remember when I was working..They did require a drug test..Once I had gotten high 4 days before and nothing came up..Guess they were more interested in hard drugs..kathy RE: Drug tests Maybe in Calif, they have to have cause, but in GA, they can do random tests whenever they want as long as everyone in the company is subject to them. They don't have to test everyone at once, but everyone has to be in the pool for random tests. Faith is the ability to not panic. -----Original Message-----From: Liz [mailto:elwilkinson@...] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:45 PMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Patty Poo It takes at least 3 months to get pot out of your system. Drink lots of cranberry juice. After that, they have to have cause to test, toots. Take care of yourself, Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Cale's probation officer and one of his counselors both told me that if you only smoke sporadically, it's likely to not show up. Faith is the ability to not panic. -----Original Message-----From: Kathy brunow [mailto:kathy-boo@...] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:54 PMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Re: Drug tests I remember when I was working..They did require a drug test..Once I had gotten high 4 days before and nothing came up..Guess they were more interested in hard drugs..kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 I haven't been to church since right after I started treatment. Too tired. I'll start looking for a new church soon because mine let me down but not checking on me or anything. De Faith is the ability to not panic. -----Original Message-----From: Pat McBride [mailto:pmcbride1@...] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 11:33 AMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Re: Drug tests Yes I just got up....off to get some coffee...Your probably at church right about now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Unless I've just injected something illegal I'm sure the same question was asked very recently. I believe the answer was it won't show up in drug tests. Why would you be stigmatized? You will be using naltrexone at only a fraction of the dose used by addicts and with the intention of helping your body slow/stop progression of whatever condition you have. Anybody who would stigmatize you for that doesn't deserve to even be acknowledged!! tronicsworld45 wrote: > Hi all, > > I am concerned about random drug tests at the office which may show > ldn usage. Will they test for this?? > > Since the drug was originally connected with drug abusers, will I be > stigmatized?? > > This is a real concern. Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 I have had two random drug tests at work. The LDN does not show up on these tests. No need to worry about it. D Bergy > > Hi all, > > I am concerned about random drug tests at the office which may show > ldn usage. Will they test for this?? > > Since the drug was originally connected with drug abusers, will I be > stigmatized?? > > This is a real concern. Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 most PEOPLE have no clue about naltrexone, those who NEED to know will know that Naltrexone FAILED as a drug abuser drug. It was the FAILURE reasoning that gave Dr. Bihari his ideas. Naltrexone hasn't been used since the 80s. The problem was 50MGx3/day was blocking all these chemicals that the Low Dose helps our body normalize. Stigmatized? Maybe those who are suffering with diseases and are NOT taking it should some day be stigmatized for NOT taking it. JMHO, OC, YMMV, HAND [low dose naltrexone] Drug Tests Hi all,I am concerned about random drug tests at the office which may showldn usage. Will they test for this?? Since the drug was originally connected with drug abusers, will I bestigmatized??This is a real concern. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 I will start the L d n program then. Thanks all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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