Re: need recommendation for helping my son to stabilize moods

November 23, 2008

I have the exact same thing. Days are pretty stable now, but nights

are horrible. The thing that helped the most during the day was:

getting the yeast under control, lithium and adreanal cortex. Hope

that helps. It is so hard. Good luck.

On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:39 PM, graceofmyheart2001 wrote:

> My 11 year old son (ADD, maybe Aspergers or Hyperlexia) is on several

> supplements...Houston enzymes, probiotics, prescription anti-

> fungals, OLE for OCD

> symptoms, Gaba (6 days a week,) Natural Calm magnesium, and a

> morning compounded

> supplement specifically for him with Vitamin C, B-6, P5P, Biotin &

> niacinamide.

>

> His evening vitamin has Vitamin C, zinc, manganese, Vitamin E,

> Biotin, niacinamide,

> molybdenum, selenium and iron. He has CAL.MAG before bed and takes

> an Epsom Salts

> foot bath every night. He also gets Borage oil rubbed on his skin

> every night. Recently he

> started a larger dose of something called " Nia-C " which just

> increases his amount of

> niacinamide and Vitamin C beyond what is in his compounded supplement.

>

> With everything he is taking, we still don't see any kind of

> pattern of him being stable. He

> can be great one day and a mess the next. Sometimes we tie it to

> diet (even with enzymes,

> the rare fast food visit can be a problem) and other times we have

> no idea what could have

> brought on his tantrum or severe bad mood. It generally lasts a few

> hours, and often

> occurs in the morning before school or on a weekend. But it can hit

> in the evening as well.

> There is a lot of crying and screaming and oppositional behavior.

>

> My question is, does this ring a bell for anyone? Is there a

> supplement that helped any of

> you with similar issues? Our doc says next he plans to add either

> Methionine or Carnitine

> next. We tried Inositol for a few weeks but it kept him awake so

> the doc said to stop it.

> Does that mean it will never be an option for him again or just

> that the dose may have

> been too high?

>

> Any insights or advice would be greatly appreciated. I have started

> taking the Natural

> Calm magnesium myself after his tantrums to help me recover from

> being emotionally and

> physically drained. Just when he seems stable, one of these major

> tantrums hits. He is a

> wonderful boy and he is so drained himself after this happens. Any

> ideas for anything that

> would help?

> Thank you all so much,

>

November 24, 2008

Trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) could be the cause of his

irritability especially if fast food makes him grouchy. You can try

eliminating it for a while, but from what I read it can take 2 months for

the body to eliminate it from the body completely.

How about omega 3? Or a balanced EFAs? Some people do better on omega 3

alone while others do better with a balanced formula. Cod liver oil also

contains natural vitamins A and D, so you might want to look into that too.

I've been reading that Green Pasture CLO is even better than Nordic Naturals

as they don't use heat to process the oil.

Could he be hungry when he melts down? That's often the case with my 4yo

(and me!). He eats small frequent meals, so I feel like I'm constantly

feeding him to make sure his blood sugar doesn't get low. We *try* to do a

high protein, lower carb diet, but it doesn't always happen.

As I'm de-yeasting, I'm learning that high-carb foods do tend to make me

more irritable.

GL in trying to figure out the cause. Let me know what works - I could use

some advice myself!

November 24, 2008

Thank . I truly appreciate your input and wish you the best.

>

> > My 11 year old son (ADD, maybe Aspergers or Hyperlexia) is on several

> > supplements...Houston enzymes, probiotics, prescription anti-

> > fungals, OLE for OCD

> > symptoms, Gaba (6 days a week,) Natural Calm magnesium, and a

> > morning compounded

> > supplement specifically for him with Vitamin C, B-6, P5P, Biotin &

> > niacinamide.

> >

> > His evening vitamin has Vitamin C, zinc, manganese, Vitamin E,

> > Biotin, niacinamide,

> > molybdenum, selenium and iron. He has CAL.MAG before bed and takes

> > an Epsom Salts

> > foot bath every night. He also gets Borage oil rubbed on his skin

> > every night. Recently he

> > started a larger dose of something called " Nia-C " which just

> > increases his amount of

> > niacinamide and Vitamin C beyond what is in his compounded supplement.

> >

> > With everything he is taking, we still don't see any kind of

> > pattern of him being stable. He

> > can be great one day and a mess the next. Sometimes we tie it to

> > diet (even with enzymes,

> > the rare fast food visit can be a problem) and other times we have

> > no idea what could have

> > brought on his tantrum or severe bad mood. It generally lasts a few

> > hours, and often

> > occurs in the morning before school or on a weekend. But it can hit

> > in the evening as well.

> > There is a lot of crying and screaming and oppositional behavior.

> >

> > My question is, does this ring a bell for anyone? Is there a

> > supplement that helped any of

> > you with similar issues? Our doc says next he plans to add either

> > Methionine or Carnitine

> > next. We tried Inositol for a few weeks but it kept him awake so

> > the doc said to stop it.

> > Does that mean it will never be an option for him again or just

> > that the dose may have

> > been too high?

> >

> > Any insights or advice would be greatly appreciated. I have started

> > taking the Natural

> > Calm magnesium myself after his tantrums to help me recover from

> > being emotionally and

> > physically drained. Just when he seems stable, one of these major

> > tantrums hits. He is a

> > wonderful boy and he is so drained himself after this happens. Any

> > ideas for anything that

> > would help?

> > Thank you all so much,

> >

>

November 24, 2008

Thanks . I forgot to mention that he has been taking Nordic Naturals CLO

for about 5

months. (So many supplements to remember!) I'll look into the Green Pasture

brand.

He may be hungry. He has malabsorption issues and I feel that he is hypoglycemic

too

because he often feels fatigued. I don't think he sleeps well either because his

fearful

thoughts keep him awake so he reads to help him fall asleep. I often find him

asleep with

his glasses on and a Harry Potter book in his hands when I check on him before I

go to

bed.

I will check with his doctor about the oils too...maybe a balanced blend would

be better at

this point since we see no improvement from the CLO after all this time.

Thanks again for your insights, and I wish you the best.

>

> Trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) could be the cause of his

> irritability especially if fast food makes him grouchy. You can try

> eliminating it for a while, but from what I read it can take 2 months for

> the body to eliminate it from the body completely.

>

> How about omega 3? Or a balanced EFAs? Some people do better on omega 3

> alone while others do better with a balanced formula. Cod liver oil also

> contains natural vitamins A and D, so you might want to look into that too.

> I've been reading that Green Pasture CLO is even better than Nordic Naturals

> as they don't use heat to process the oil.

>

> Could he be hungry when he melts down? That's often the case with my 4yo

> (and me!). He eats small frequent meals, so I feel like I'm constantly

> feeding him to make sure his blood sugar doesn't get low. We *try* to do a

> high protein, lower carb diet, but it doesn't always happen.

>

> As I'm de-yeasting, I'm learning that high-carb foods do tend to make me

> more irritable.

>

> GL in trying to figure out the cause. Let me know what works - I could use

> some advice myself!

>

November 24, 2008

Hi ,

We have major meltdowns with salycilate foods. You can find a list here and see

if there

are any patterns. The thing about salycilates is that they are cumulative. This

falls under

the barrel effect. We have a barrel that can hold salycilates. As it becomes

full it is easy for

it to overflow (read tantrums). People who are sensitive can have some

salycilates but if

they add up to too many you get the overflow. They can react differently on

different days

depending on how much is already in their system and how sensitive they are in

general as

well as how hard it is for them to clear the salycilates. So... The website is

below. We also

find a lot of help with a charcoal pill when my dd starts to overflow.

plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/content/elimination-diet/salicylates.aspx

Hope this is helpful,

Kathleen

>

> My 11 year old son (ADD, maybe Aspergers or Hyperlexia) is on several

> supplements...Houston enzymes, probiotics, prescription anti-fungals, OLE for

OCD

> symptoms, Gaba (6 days a week,) Natural Calm magnesium, and a morning

compounded

> supplement specifically for him with Vitamin C, B-6, P5P, Biotin &

niacinamide.

>

> His evening vitamin has Vitamin C, zinc, manganese, Vitamin E, Biotin,

niacinamide,

> molybdenum, selenium and iron. He has CAL.MAG before bed and takes an Epsom

Salts

> foot bath every night. He also gets Borage oil rubbed on his skin every night.

Recently

he

> started a larger dose of something called " Nia-C " which just increases his

amount of

> niacinamide and Vitamin C beyond what is in his compounded supplement.

>

> With everything he is taking, we still don't see any kind of pattern of him

being stable.

He

> can be great one day and a mess the next. Sometimes we tie it to diet (even

with

enzymes,

> the rare fast food visit can be a problem) and other times we have no idea

what could

have

> brought on his tantrum or severe bad mood. It generally lasts a few hours, and

often

> occurs in the morning before school or on a weekend. But it can hit in the

evening as

well.

> There is a lot of crying and screaming and oppositional behavior.

>

> My question is, does this ring a bell for anyone? Is there a supplement that

helped any

of

> you with similar issues? Our doc says next he plans to add either Methionine

or Carnitine

> next. We tried Inositol for a few weeks but it kept him awake so the doc said

to stop it.

> Does that mean it will never be an option for him again or just that the dose

may have

> been too high?

>

> Any insights or advice would be greatly appreciated. I have started taking the

Natural

> Calm magnesium myself after his tantrums to help me recover from being

emotionally

and

> physically drained. Just when he seems stable, one of these major tantrums

hits. He is a

> wonderful boy and he is so drained himself after this happens. Any ideas for

anything

that

> would help?

> Thank you all so much,

>

November 24, 2008

,

My daughter is the same way. We have two chinese doctors for my two daughters,

and one has formulated herbs, but the other doctor (the american chinese

doctor!) recommended this product which he gave us at his office. She takes it

3x day and she does still get upset but NOTHING like before. She sleeps really

well now, gets up beautifully and if she does starts to cry is not stuck like

before. You know what I mean if you have a raging child. You can talk to her

and she stops rather quickly. It has not changed her personality at all, i.e.,

she is very fun, happy, full of life. That is the same, just without all the

rages. It is called Quiet Calm

http://www.brandvitamindiscounters.com/ka0340.html

Oh, the other thing is she used to say she hated herself, that no one liked her,

that she was so bad, etc. I asked her the other day how she felt and she said

she felt great about herself.

From: katalisp <katalisp@...>

Subject: Re: need recommendation for helping my son to stabilize moods

Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 10:57 AM

Hi ,

We have major meltdowns with salycilate foods. You can find a list here and see

if there

are any patterns. The thing about salycilates is that they are cumulative. This

falls under

the barrel effect. We have a barrel that can hold salycilates. As it becomes

full it is easy for

it to overflow (read tantrums). People who are sensitive can have some

salycilates but if

they add up to too many you get the overflow. They can react differently on

different days

depending on how much is already in their system and how sensitive they are in

general as

well as how hard it is for them to clear the salycilates. So... The website is

below. We also

find a lot of help with a charcoal pill when my dd starts to overflow.

plantpoisonsandrott enstuff.info/ content/eliminat ion-diet/ salicylates. aspx

Hope this is helpful,

Kathleen

>

> My 11 year old son (ADD, maybe Aspergers or Hyperlexia) is on several

> supplements. ..Houston enzymes, probiotics, prescription anti-fungals, OLE for

OCD

> symptoms, Gaba (6 days a week,) Natural Calm magnesium, and a morning

compounded

> supplement specifically for him with Vitamin C, B-6, P5P, Biotin &

niacinamide.

>

> His evening vitamin has Vitamin C, zinc, manganese, Vitamin E, Biotin,

niacinamide,

> molybdenum, selenium and iron. He has CAL.MAG before bed and takes an Epsom

Salts

> foot bath every night. He also gets Borage oil rubbed on his skin every night.

Recently

he

> started a larger dose of something called " Nia-C " which just increases his

amount of

> niacinamide and Vitamin C beyond what is in his compounded supplement.

>

> With everything he is taking, we still don't see any kind of pattern of him

being stable.

He

> can be great one day and a mess the next. Sometimes we tie it to diet (even

with

enzymes,

> the rare fast food visit can be a problem) and other times we have no idea

what could

have

> brought on his tantrum or severe bad mood. It generally lasts a few hours, and

often

> occurs in the morning before school or on a weekend. But it can hit in the

evening as

well.

> There is a lot of crying and screaming and oppositional behavior.

>

> My question is, does this ring a bell for anyone? Is there a supplement that

helped any

of

> you with similar issues? Our doc says next he plans to add either Methionine

or Carnitine

> next. We tried Inositol for a few weeks but it kept him awake so the doc said

to stop it.

> Does that mean it will never be an option for him again or just that the dose

may have

> been too high?

>

> Any insights or advice would be greatly appreciated. I have started taking the

Natural

> Calm magnesium myself after his tantrums to help me recover from being

emotionally

and

> physically drained. Just when he seems stable, one of these major tantrums

hits. He is a

> wonderful boy and he is so drained himself after this happens. Any ideas for

anything

that

> would help?

> Thank you all so much,

>

November 24, 2008