Re: Question about obsessive fears, Dana or anyone...please help

[Guest guest]

For us, unfortunately we've had the eating of inappropriate items, it means

severe yeast. Starts out as chewing, fingernails, shirts, etc., then progresses

to the actual eating/swallowing of inappropriate things. For us, it is so hard

because it seems to come from out of nowhere, until I look back at our

activities and realize we went swimming in the public pool several times in a

week, or had Jamba Juice twice in one week. Our incidents seem to happen in the

summer when I'm less vigilant regarding our activities. Increasing our yeast

protocol and detox methods seems to correct the problem literally overnight. Of

course, because I'm pushing the antifungals so hard and using so much Epsom

salts and baking soda in the tub that we get the weepy sleepy side effect.

Again, it usually resolves overnight.

Question about obsessive fears, Dana or anyone...please

help

Hi,

My 11 yr. old son (diagnosed ADHD/maybe Aspergers) has a terrible fear of

swallowing

sharp things, especially thumbtacks. He starts to get very agitated and

nervous if he sees

them. We have removed them from our home because I want to keep him safe, and

I don't

think he can completely control himself.

Of course they are every where else, especially all around him at school. My

sense is that

he is mostly afraid of losing control...he can be very impulsive, and it

frightens me. In

December, he picked up a few pieces of rock salt (designed to melt ice) and he

ate them

from off the floor at school a few minutes before I picked him up. Once he

told me, I

called Poison Control and they told me that he would be fine, but it was

terrifying. He's 11

years old! He knows it is the wrong thing to do intellectually but he says he

can't help it

and he doesn't know why he does it. Please, if anyone knows what this may be

caused by,

or what I can do to help him, please let me know. He is currently taking only

the following

which we started about 1 month ago, but with low doses at first because we had

extreme

hyperness (jumping on chairs at school, complete inability to calm down,

spitting...he had

never spit before the enzymes...says his saliva tastes different.) Anyway,

here is what he

has every day:

(On Feingold Diet Stage 2 for 3 years...was GFCF for 6 months/adding back

gluten and

casein with enzymes with no negative reactions.)

(1) Zyme Prime per meal

(3/4) AFP Peptizyde per meal

(1) teaspoon of Natural Calm Magnesium in the morning before school

Nightly bath with 1 cup of Epsom Salts

(3/4 capsule) of Culturelle before bed (going slowly with this as well...just

started this 10

days ago)

Is there anything else we can try? Dana had advised Biotin which I purchased

but I haven't

given him yet because of school. I only increase his enzymes or add something

new on

Friday nights so if there is a reaction, we will have time to deal with it

before he is back at

school on Mondays. If we add Biotin on Friday, would there be die off that

would have

eased up by Monday? He has standardized tests all next week. I don't want to

overwhelm

him. My husband is concerned that I'm already doing too much but I realize

that he may

need more and will do whatever it takes to help him.

Thank you so much for your input and feedback. I am very appreciative of the

collective

and individual wisdom of this group!

[Guest guest]

This made me think of OCD, have you had him cultured for strep? I

think it's strep A that causes OCD if it gets into the brain, not

uncommon for our kids. I'm not dealing with this so I don't remember

the treatment protocol, but you can look up more information about

P.A.N.D.A.S. which is the syndrome of neurological symptoms from strep.

-Sierra

>

> For us, unfortunately we've had the eating of inappropriate items,

it means severe yeast. Starts out as chewing, fingernails, shirts,

etc., then progresses to the actual eating/swallowing of inappropriate

things. For us, it is so hard because it seems to come from out of

nowhere, until I look back at our activities and realize we went

swimming in the public pool several times in a week, or had Jamba

Juice twice in one week. Our incidents seem to happen in the summer

when I'm less vigilant regarding our activities. Increasing our yeast

protocol and detox methods seems to correct the problem literally

overnight. Of course, because I'm pushing the antifungals so hard and

using so much Epsom salts and baking soda in the tub that we get the

weepy sleepy side effect. Again, it usually resolves overnight.

> Question about obsessive fears, Dana or

anyone...please help

>

>

> Hi,

> My 11 yr. old son (diagnosed ADHD/maybe Aspergers) has a terrible

fear of swallowing

> sharp things, especially thumbtacks. He starts to get very

agitated and nervous if he sees

> them. We have removed them from our home because I want to keep

him safe, and I don't

> think he can completely control himself.

> Of course they are every where else, especially all around him at

school. My sense is that

> he is mostly afraid of losing control...he can be very impulsive,

and it frightens me. In

> December, he picked up a few pieces of rock salt (designed to melt

ice) and he ate them

> from off the floor at school a few minutes before I picked him up.

Once he told me, I

> called Poison Control and they told me that he would be fine, but

it was terrifying. He's 11

> years old! He knows it is the wrong thing to do intellectually but

he says he can't help it

> and he doesn't know why he does it. Please, if anyone knows what

this may be caused by,

> or what I can do to help him, please let me know. He is currently

taking only the following

> which we started about 1 month ago, but with low doses at first

because we had extreme

> hyperness (jumping on chairs at school, complete inability to calm

down, spitting...he had

> never spit before the enzymes...says his saliva tastes different.)

Anyway, here is what he

> has every day:

> (On Feingold Diet Stage 2 for 3 years...was GFCF for 6

months/adding back gluten and

> casein with enzymes with no negative reactions.)

> (1) Zyme Prime per meal

> (3/4) AFP Peptizyde per meal

> (1) teaspoon of Natural Calm Magnesium in the morning before school

> Nightly bath with 1 cup of Epsom Salts

> (3/4 capsule) of Culturelle before bed (going slowly with this as

well...just started this 10

> days ago)

> Is there anything else we can try? Dana had advised Biotin which I

purchased but I haven't

> given him yet because of school. I only increase his enzymes or

add something new on

> Friday nights so if there is a reaction, we will have time to deal

with it before he is back at

> school on Mondays. If we add Biotin on Friday, would there be die

off that would have

> eased up by Monday? He has standardized tests all next week. I

don't want to overwhelm

> him. My husband is concerned that I'm already doing too much but I

realize that he may

> need more and will do whatever it takes to help him.

> Thank you so much for your input and feedback. I am very

appreciative of the collective

> and individual wisdom of this group!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> This made me think of OCD, have you had him cultured for strep? I

> think it's strep A that causes OCD if it gets into the brain, not

> uncommon for our kids. I'm not dealing with this so I don't

remember

> the treatment protocol, but you can look up more information about

> P.A.N.D.A.S. which is the syndrome of neurological symptoms from

strep.

>

>

I've struggled with PANDAS for years with one of my sons -- it's true

that it's the strep virus that can cause some neurological problems,

such as OCD and movement disorders. The strep is asymptomatic, so

PANDAS sufferers usually don't have the actual strep throat problems

(sore throat, etc.). And, it often won't show up on a throat

culture -- only a blood test that looks for the the ASO strep titer

and the underlying DNAase effect will let you know if PANDAS is an

issue.

Treating it can be anything from strong antibiotics to

immunoglobulins to antivirals like OLE.

Good luck!

Marina

[Guest guest]

Sorry for stepping into this post, but, what is OLE and immunoglobulins? I

believe my son might be suffering from PANDAS, and we will need to get him

tested. What kind of tests do we ask for so that he can get checked for PANDAS?

He just recovered from a bad throat infection, and I have a nagging feeling that

it is more than that. He just finished his antibiotics and we doubled up on the

probiotics, and yet we are now dealing with regression, big time. He lost all

his gains. He is stimming and is having fears he never had before, like the

dark, and the slightest things trigger him off. Also, during all of this he had

major facial uncontrollable tics....he never ever had these before. They have

become less but still very much there. And, yes, we have an app. to do an EEG

(just in case this may be seizure related). The docs are 100% they are not

seizures, but regardless, I don't want take any chances. Should I worry that it

may be PANDAS? Any advice would be much

appreciated...please.

Heleni

mderman1961 <marinaderman@...> wrote:

>

> This made me think of OCD, have you had him cultured for strep? I

> think it's strep A that causes OCD if it gets into the brain, not

> uncommon for our kids. I'm not dealing with this so I don't

remember

> the treatment protocol, but you can look up more information about

> P.A.N.D.A.S. which is the syndrome of neurological symptoms from

strep.

>

>

I've struggled with PANDAS for years with one of my sons -- it's true

that it's the strep virus that can cause some neurological problems,

such as OCD and movement disorders. The strep is asymptomatic, so

PANDAS sufferers usually don't have the actual strep throat problems

(sore throat, etc.). And, it often won't show up on a throat

culture -- only a blood test that looks for the the ASO strep titer

and the underlying DNAase effect will let you know if PANDAS is an

issue.

Treating it can be anything from strong antibiotics to

immunoglobulins to antivirals like OLE.

Good luck!

Marina

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[Guest guest]

> My 11 yr. old son (diagnosed ADHD/maybe Aspergers) has a terrible

fear of swallowing

> sharp things, especially thumbtacks.

Obsessive issues can be linked to strep [a bacteria] and/or viruses.

I eliminated strep with olive leaf extract. Viruses with OLE,

Virastop, vitamin C, and lysine.

>>extreme

> hyperness (jumping on chairs at school,

This was yeast at my house.

>>spitting...

This was certain supplements without carnitine.

> (On Feingold Diet Stage 2 for 3 years...was GFCF for 6 months/adding

back gluten and

> casein with enzymes with no negative reactions.)

> (1) Zyme Prime per meal

> (3/4) AFP Peptizyde per meal

This is confusing to me. You write " no negative reactions " , but then

you say those behaviors seem to be linked to enzymes. Maybe he does

not tolerate those foods after all, or the enzymes.

>>If we add Biotin on Friday, would there be die off that would have

> eased up by Monday?

Depends. I never saw die off symptoms here, we just improved. Some

kids do have die off effect.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for everyone's feedback. I really appreciate it!

> > (On Feingold Diet Stage 2 for 3 years...was GFCF for 6 months/adding

> back gluten and

> > casein with enzymes with no negative reactions.)

> > (1) Zyme Prime per meal

> > (3/4) AFP Peptizyde per meal

>

> This is confusing to me. You write " no negative reactions " , but then

> you say those behaviors seem to be linked to enzymes. Maybe he does

> not tolerate those foods after all, or the enzymes.

He had a marked increase in hyperness when we went to a full dose of AFP

Peptizyde, but

we backed off on the dosage and have now slowly worked our way back up to a full

capsule of AFP Peptizyde at each meal along with the Zyme Prime, and he is

tolerating

them well now. When we have given him meals containing gluten with these

enzymes, he

has had no adverse reactions whatsoever. He used to have a very agitated (though

not

hyper) reaction to gluten so this is a big improvement with the enzymes. Sorry

for the

confusion!

[Guest guest]

> He had a marked increase in hyperness when we went to a full dose of

AFP Peptizyde, but

> we backed off on the dosage and have now slowly worked our way back

up to a full

> capsule of AFP Peptizyde at each meal along with the Zyme Prime, and

he is tolerating

> them well now. When we have given him meals containing gluten with

these enzymes, he

> has had no adverse reactions whatsoever. He used to have a very

agitated (though not

> hyper) reaction to gluten so this is a big improvement with the enzymes.

Okay. Then I would suggest you try one or more of the other suggestions.

Dana