Re: HELP: Flu Vaccination while Pregnant

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Are they breastfeeding? His gut, if injured, would do better going

breastmilk than formula. Why bottles so soon? He's only a month.

Try some probiotics, dip a finger in one and let the baby lick the finger

and have mom take some too. I am assuming the bottle has expressed milk in

it.

I have had a baby that didn't like to be in a clean diaper 9would go

immediately) but didn't like to be in a dirty diaper either.. would cry

about needing to be changed

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Heard many bad things about the flu vaccine while pregnant. The doctor who

admin'd ought to be shot

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Hi Meredith,

I think all of us know people like your brother and sister in law,

where we are watching from the sidelines and are concerned but its

hard to know what to do to help. I can so relate- my cousins have

twins who show many of the same health issues. The little girl has

life-threatening asthma, and the little boy shows the same abnormal

speech development that my mildly ASD son had at that age, but they

aren't worried. It's great that they have listened to you about not

vaxing and the low-chemical exposure thing, that can only help.

My guess is that there is no doctor or specialist, aside from maybe a

DAN one, who would take any of the gastric symptoms seriously that you

are describing. I can't imagine that any would say anything like

" this could be related to autism " . Basically, i think that if they

are interested in doing anything you and they will have to figure it

out. I don't know if you can give enzymes that early? Would the mom

be willing to try a special diet, like GF/CF to see if that helps? I

think the probiotic idea is a good one. I think maybe way to talk to

them, hopefully without freaking them out too much, is to say that

early gut issues seem to predispose children to be more likely to

develop ASD- that way you aren't saying " he already has it " , or " it's

inevitable " , just " hey, you might want to be extra careful " .

-Sierra

>

> Ladies -

> To my great regret, my sister-in-law received the flu vaccination

during her pregnancy. Her work (in a big HMO) required it of her (or

strongly suggested it.) I was going to wait to have the vaccination

talk with her before her son was born - so as not to freak her out and

seem over bearing and fanatical. Unfortunately, I never even

considered that she would get a vaccination while pregnant. It

brought me to tears that she did, especially because it was the one

with thimerisol in it.

> Anyway, her one month old son is my brother's baby. Since learning

about ASD, I have determined that my brother (the baby's father) is an

undiagnosed aspie. He is a very successful engineer, ivy league

graduate and UVA masters degree. He is also a national champion in

martial arts. He has certainly done very well for himself. He does

have his quirks though (he has rocked to relax himself his whole life

- which noone ever thought a thing about (except that it was

unusual) until my son's diagnosis.) And, he has always felt socially

awkward. Anyway, my son has been diagnosed PDD-NOS with a likelihood

of Aspergers. So, this stuff is definately in the family.

> Well - my one month old nephew has some gastro-intestinal issues.

No one (but, maybe me) is horribly alarmed.

> Here it goes: He gets extremely upset (cries and wails) for about

45 minutes before a bowel movement - every time. After the BM, he is

fine. He is entirely breast fed.

> Also: He cries after he urinates or poops until his diaper is

changed. It's like he can't stand being in his business - is that

strange - the diapers are super absorbent and it's even if he goes

just a little bit? Is that sensory? Or, is that typical? Am I

jumping to conclusions? My kids could wear a loaded diaper and think

nothing of it (my PDD son is a sensory seeker though.)

> Bottom line is that if he is having GI issues, I want them to go to

a specialist asap because it is so tied to brain health. I don't want

it to go on until it causes damage. What can I advise with out

scaring them - because I don't even know that anything is the matter -

I don't want to put worry in their hearts. Who can help at this

point, are most GI specialists going to look for the right things?

What are the things to look for? What should be done? I don't want

to go to them and say " GI issues are linked to autism, start working

on that. " They have acutally been very great about acknowledging the

genetic link and staying toxin free (they aren't getting him

vaccinated, they are using Born Free bottles, they are using no pjs

with flame retardents, etc.) I just so wish I had told her about all

of this earlier on!!!

> Any advice would be so appreciated!!

> Thanks y'all!

> Meredith

>

>

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That is excellent advice, to say " take care of these issues because early gut

issues can predispose children to ASD. "   Thank you.  I will call my brother and

talk with him and he can approach my sister in law (who is the sweetest person

on the planet.  I just don't want to frighten her, but I do want them to get

this taken care of.  Their doctor said " nothing to worry about, alot of kids

have problems like this early on. "   Wow do I hate mainstream medicine!

Re: HELP: Flu Vaccination while Pregnant

Hi Meredith,

I think all of us know people like your brother and sister in law,

where we are watching from the sidelines and are concerned but its

hard to know what to do to help. I can so relate- my cousins have

twins who show many of the same health issues. The little girl has

life-threatening asthma, and the little boy shows the same abnormal

speech development that my mildly ASD son had at that age, but they

aren't worried. It's great that they have listened to you about not

vaxing and the low-chemical exposure thing, that can only help.

My guess is that there is no doctor or specialist, aside from maybe a

DAN one, who would take any of the gastric symptoms seriously that you

are describing. I can't imagine that any would say anything like

" this could be related to autism " . Basically, i think that if they

are interested in doing anything you and they will have to figure it

out. I don't know if you can give enzymes that early? Would the mom

be willing to try a special diet, like GF/CF to see if that helps? I

think the probiotic idea is a good one. I think maybe way to talk to

them, hopefully without freaking them out too much, is to say that

early gut issues seem to predispose children to be more likely to

develop ASD- that way you aren't saying " he already has it " , or " it's

inevitable " , just " hey, you might want to be extra careful " .

-Sierra

>

> Ladies -

> To my great regret, my sister-in-law received the flu vaccination

during her pregnancy. Her work (in a big HMO) required it of her (or

strongly suggested it.) I was going to wait to have the vaccination

talk with her before her son was born - so as not to freak her out and

seem over bearing and fanatical. Unfortunately, I never even

considered that she would get a vaccination while pregnant. It

brought me to tears that she did, especially because it was the one

with thimerisol in it.

> Anyway, her one month old son is my brother's baby. Since learning

about ASD, I have determined that my brother (the baby's father) is an

undiagnosed aspie. He is a very successful engineer, ivy league

graduate and UVA masters degree. He is also a national champion in

martial arts. He has certainly done very well for himself. He does

have his quirks though (he has rocked to relax himself his whole life

- which noone ever thought a thing about (except that it was

unusual) until my son's diagnosis.) And, he has always felt socially

awkward. Anyway, my son has been diagnosed PDD-NOS with a likelihood

of Aspergers. So, this stuff is definately in the family.

> Well - my one month old nephew has some gastro-intestinal issues.

No one (but, maybe me) is horribly alarmed.

> Here it goes: He gets extremely upset (cries and wails) for about

45 minutes before a bowel movement - every time. After the BM, he is

fine. He is entirely breast fed.

> Also: He cries after he urinates or poops until his diaper is

changed. It's like he can't stand being in his business - is that

strange - the diapers are super absorbent and it's even if he goes

just a little bit? Is that sensory? Or, is that typical? Am I

jumping to conclusions? My kids could wear a loaded diaper and think

nothing of it (my PDD son is a sensory seeker though.)

> Bottom line is that if he is having GI issues, I want them to go to

a specialist asap because it is so tied to brain health. I don't want

it to go on until it causes damage. What can I advise with out

scaring them - because I don't even know that anything is the matter -

I don't want to put worry in their hearts. Who can help at this

point, are most GI specialists going to look for the right things?

What are the things to look for? What should be done? I don't want

to go to them and say " GI issues are linked to autism, start working

on that. " They have acutally been very great about acknowledging the

genetic link and staying toxin free (they aren't getting him

vaccinated, they are using Born Free bottles, they are using no pjs

with flame retardents, etc.) I just so wish I had told her about all

of this earlier on!!!

> Any advice would be so appreciated! !

> Thanks y'all!

> Meredith

>

>

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I would hold off for a couple of months and simply encourage her to

exclusively breastfeed and notice to keep in mind changes with certain

foods she eats. This could still be pretty normal as far as the BMs

because one month is very small. Encourage her not to vaccinate until

one year old and not the flu shot.

You don't want to send her to a specialist who will basically make it

seem as though you are crazy. They will probably advise that its

normal range and scoping an infant is not necessary. This will

invalidate everything you have to offer as far as advice because when

people hear from doc that their sister in law is way off they wont

trust anything else you say.

I understand the " Cassandra " feelings of seeing people fall into the

same mistakes that hurt our children but its important to time things

right with family.

Elaine

> Ladies -

> To my great regret, my sister-in-law received the flu vaccination

during her pregnancy.  Her work (in a big HMO) required it of her (or

strongly suggested it.)  I was going to wait to have the vaccination

talk with her before her son was born - so as not to freak her out and

seem over bearing and fanatical.  Unfortunately, I never even

considered that she would get a vaccination while pregnant.  It

brought me to tears that she did, especially because it was the one

with thimerisol in it.

> Anyway, her one month old son is my brother's baby.  Since learning

about ASD, I have determined that my brother (the baby's father) is an

undiagnosed aspie.  He is a very successful engineer, ivy league

graduate and UVA masters degree.  He is also a national champion in

martial arts.  He has certainly done very well for himself.  He does

have his quirks though (he has rocked to relax himself his whole life

- which noone ever thought a thing about (except that it was

unusual) until my son's diagnosis.)  And, he has always felt socially

awkward.  Anyway, my son has been diagnosed PDD-NOS with a likelihood

of Aspergers.  So, this stuff is definately in the family.

> Well - my one month old nephew has some gastro-intestinal issues. 

No one (but, maybe me) is horribly alarmed.

> Here it goes:  He gets extremely upset (cries and wails) for about

45 minutes before a bowel movement - every time.  After the BM, he is

fine.  He is entirely breast fed. 

> Also:  He cries after he urinates or poops until his diaper is

changed.    It's like he can't stand being in his business - is that

strange - the diapers are super absorbent and it's even if he goes

just a little bit?  Is that sensory?  Or, is that typical?  Am I

jumping to conclusions?  My kids could wear a loaded diaper and think

nothing of it (my PDD son is a sensory seeker though.)

> Bottom line is that if he is having GI issues, I want them to go to

a specialist asap because it is so tied to brain health.  I don't want

it to go on until it causes damage.  What can I advise with out

scaring them - because I don't even know that anything is the matter -

I don't want to put worry in their hearts.  Who can help at this

point, are most GI specialists going to look for the right things? 

What are the things to look for?  What should be done?  I don't want

to go to them and say " GI issues are linked to autism, start working

on that. "   They have acutally been very great about acknowledging the

genetic link and staying toxin free (they aren't getting him

vaccinated, they are using Born Free bottles, they are using no pjs

with flame retardents, etc.)  I just so wish I had told her about all

of this earlier on!!! 

> Any advice would be so appreciated!!

> Thanks y'all!

> Meredith

>

>

>

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I would just watch the diet while breast feeding. No peanut butter for

sure. Watch out for the big eight; of course some of the most common are

milk and dairy. If she keeps a food journal for herself, maybe she can

figure out what is in her diet that may be bothering him. I so wish someone

gave me that advice to me. I've even heard things like lots of onions of

broccoli. But each person/baby is different.

Tammy

Re: HELP: Flu Vaccination while Pregnant

>

I would hold off for a couple of months and simply encourage her to

exclusively breastfeed and notice to keep in mind changes with certain

foods she eats. This could still be pretty normal as far as the BMs

because one month is very small. Encourage her not to vaccinate until

one year old and not the flu shot.

You don't want to send her to a specialist who will basically make it

seem as though you are crazy. They will probably advise that its

normal range and scoping an infant is not necessary. This will

invalidate everything you have to offer as far as advice because when

people hear from doc that their sister in law is way off they wont

trust anything else you say.

I understand the " Cassandra " feelings of seeing people fall into the

same mistakes that hurt our children but its important to time things

right with family.

Elaine

> Ladies -

> To my great regret, my sister-in-law received the flu vaccination

during her pregnancy. Her work (in a big HMO) required it of her (or

strongly suggested it.) I was going to wait to have the vaccination

talk with her before her son was born - so as not to freak her out and

seem over bearing and fanatical. Unfortunately, I never even

considered that she would get a vaccination while pregnant. It

brought me to tears that she did, especially because it was the one

with thimerisol in it.

> Anyway, her one month old son is my brother's baby. Since learning

about ASD, I have determined that my brother (the baby's father) is an

undiagnosed aspie. He is a very successful engineer, ivy league

graduate and UVA masters degree. He is also a national champion in

martial arts. He has certainly done very well for himself. He does

have his quirks though (he has rocked to relax himself his whole life

- which noone ever thought a thing about (except that it was

unusual) until my son's diagnosis.) And, he has always felt socially

awkward. Anyway, my son has been diagnosed PDD-NOS with a likelihood

of Aspergers. So, this stuff is definately in the family.

> Well - my one month old nephew has some gastro-intestinal issues.

No one (but, maybe me) is horribly alarmed.

> Here it goes: He gets extremely upset (cries and wails) for about

45 minutes before a bowel movement - every time. After the BM, he is

fine. He is entirely breast fed.

> Also: He cries after he urinates or poops until his diaper is

changed. It's like he can't stand being in his business - is that

strange - the diapers are super absorbent and it's even if he goes

just a little bit? Is that sensory? Or, is that typical? Am I

jumping to conclusions? My kids could wear a loaded diaper and think

nothing of it (my PDD son is a sensory seeker though.)

> Bottom line is that if he is having GI issues, I want them to go to

a specialist asap because it is so tied to brain health. I don't want

it to go on until it causes damage. What can I advise with out

scaring them - because I don't even know that anything is the matter -

I don't want to put worry in their hearts. Who can help at this

point, are most GI specialists going to look for the right things?

What are the things to look for? What should be done? I don't want

to go to them and say " GI issues are linked to autism, start working

on that. " They have acutally been very great about acknowledging the

genetic link and staying toxin free (they aren't getting him

vaccinated, they are using Born Free bottles, they are using no pjs

with flame retardents, etc.) I just so wish I had told her about all

of this earlier on!!!

> Any advice would be so appreciated!!

> Thanks y'all!

> Meredith

>

>

>

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If the mother took a probiotic, wouldn't the baby get some benefit via

breasmilk? Am I off on that? Perhaps digestive enzymes, as well?

As the baby is only a month old, a ped GI would likely tell the parents infants'

guts are rather undeveloped at that age.

Dana C.

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From: " purpledragonmama05 " <sierra.ansley@...>

Hi Meredith,

I think all of us know people like your brother and sister in law,

where we are watching from the sidelines and are concerned but its

hard to know what to do to help. I can so relate- my cousins have

twins who show many of the same health issues. The little girl has

life-threatening asthma, and the little boy shows the same abnormal

speech development that my mildly ASD son had at that age, but they

aren't worried. It's great that they have listened to you about not

vaxing and the low-chemical exposure thing, that can only help.

My guess is that there is no doctor or specialist, aside from maybe a

DAN one, who would take any of the gastric symptoms seriously that you

are describing. I can't imagine that any would say anything like

" this could be related to autism " . Basically, i think that if they

are interested in doing anything you and they will have to figure it

out. I don't know if you can give enzymes that early? Would the mom

be willing to try a special diet, like GF/CF to see if that helps? I

think the probiotic idea is a good one. I think maybe way to talk to

them, hopefully without freaking them out too much, is to say that

early gut issues seem to predispose children to be more likely to

develop ASD- that way you aren't saying " he already has it " , or " it's

inevitable " , just " hey, you might want to be extra careful " .

-Sierra

>

> Ladies -

> To my great regret, my sister-in-law received the flu vaccination

during her pregnancy. Her work (in a big HMO) required it of her (or

strongly suggested it.) I was going to wait to have the vaccination

talk with her before her son was born - so as not to freak her out and

seem over bearing and fanatical. Unfortunately, I never even

considered that she would get a vaccination while pregnant. It

brought me to tears that she did, especially because it was the one

with thimerisol in it.

> Anyway, her one month old son is my brother's baby. Since learning

about ASD, I have determined that my brother (the baby's father) is an

undiagnosed aspie. He is a very successful engineer, ivy league

graduate and UVA masters degree. He is also a national champion in

martial arts. He has certainly done very well for himself. He does

have his quirks though (he has rocked to relax himself his whole life

- which noone ever thought a thing about (except that it was

unusual) until my son's diagnosis.) And, he has always felt socially

awkward. Anyway, my son has been diagnosed PDD-NOS with a likelihood

of Aspergers. So, this stuff is definately in the family.

> Well - my one month old nephew has some gastro-intestinal issues.

No one (but, maybe me) is horribly alarmed.

> Here it goes: He gets extremely upset (cries and wails) for about

45 minutes before a bowel movement - every time. After the BM, he is

fine. He is entirely breast fed.

> Also: He cries after he urinates or poops until his diaper is

changed. It's like he can't stand being in his business - is that

strange - the diapers are super absorbent and it's even if he goes

just a little bit? Is that sensory? Or, is that typical? Am I

jumping to conclusions? My kids could wear a loaded diaper and think

nothing of it (my PDD son is a sensory seeker though.)

> Bottom line is that if he is having GI issues, I want them to go to

a specialist asap because it is so tied to brain health. I don't want

it to go on until it causes damage. What can I advise with out

scaring them - because I don't even know that anything is the matter -

I don't want to put worry in their hearts. Who can help at this

point, are most GI specialists going to look for the right things?

What are the things to look for? What should be done? I don't want

to go to them and say " GI issues are linked to autism, start working

on that. " They have acutally been very great about acknowledging the

genetic link and staying toxin free (they aren't getting him

vaccinated, they are using Born Free bottles, they are using no pjs

with flame retardents, etc.) I just so wish I had told her about all

of this earlier on!!!

> Any advice would be so appreciated!!

> Thanks y'all!

> Meredith

>

>

>

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Encourage her not to vaccinate until

one year old and not the flu shot

I'd encourage not to vaccinate at all. Vaccines don't bring good health but

they definitely can destroy it

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 13, 11, 9,

6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures

http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

LOL - when I was breastfeeding DD, hubby's aunt made her FABULOUS enchiladas,

which I ate smothered in chili. No wonder DD was colicky!

--------- Re: HELP: Flu Vaccination while Pregnant

>

I would hold off for a couple of months and simply encourage her to

exclusively breastfeed and notice to keep in mind changes with certain

foods she eats. This could still be pretty normal as far as the BMs

because one month is very small. Encourage her not to vaccinate until

one year old and not the flu shot.

You don't want to send her to a specialist who will basically make it

seem as though you are crazy. They will probably advise that its

normal range and scoping an infant is not necessary. This will

invalidate everything you have to offer as far as advice because when

people hear from doc that their sister in law is way off they wont

trust anything else you say.

I understand the " Cassandra " feelings of seeing people fall into the

same mistakes that hurt our children but its important to time things

right with family.

Elaine

> Ladies -

> To my great regret, my sister-in-law received the flu vaccination

during her pregnancy. Her work (in a big HMO) required it of her (or

strongly suggested it.) I was going to wait to have the vaccination

talk with her before her son was born - so as not to freak her out and

seem over bearing and fanatical. Unfortunately, I never even

considered that she would get a vaccination while pregnant. It

brought me to tears that she did, especially because it was the one

with thimerisol in it.

> Anyway, her one month old son is my brother's baby. Since learning

about ASD, I have determined that my brother (the baby's father) is an

undiagnosed aspie. He is a very successful engineer, ivy league

graduate and UVA masters degree. He is also a national champion in

martial arts. He has certainly done very well for himself. He does

have his quirks though (he has rocked to relax himself his whole life

- which noone ever thought a thing about (except that it was

unusual) until my son's diagnosis.) And, he has always felt socially

awkward. Anyway, my son has been diagnosed PDD-NOS with a likelihood

of Aspergers. So, this stuff is definately in the family.

> Well - my one month old nephew has some gastro-intestinal issues.

No one (but, maybe me) is horribly alarmed.

> Here it goes: He gets extremely upset (cries and wails) for about

45 minutes before a bowel movement - every time. After the BM, he is

fine. He is entirely breast fed.

> Also: He cries after he urinates or poops until his diaper is

changed. It's like he can't stand being in his business - is that

strange - the diapers are super absorbent and it's even if he goes

just a little bit? Is that sensory? Or, is that typical? Am I

jumping to conclusions? My kids could wear a loaded diaper and think

nothing of it (my PDD son is a sensory seeker though.)

> Bottom line is that if he is having GI issues, I want them to go to

a specialist asap because it is so tied to brain health. I don't want

it to go on until it causes damage. What can I advise with out

scaring them - because I don't even know that anything is the matter -

I don't want to put worry in their hearts. Who can help at this

point, are most GI specialists going to look for the right things?

What are the things to look for? What should be done? I don't want

to go to them and say " GI issues are linked to autism, start working

on that. " They have acutally been very great about acknowledging the

genetic link and staying toxin free (they aren't getting him

vaccinated, they are using Born Free bottles, they are using no pjs

with flame retardents, etc.) I just so wish I had told her about all

of this earlier on!!!

> Any advice would be so appreciated!!

> Thanks y'all!

> Meredith

>

>

>

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Hi Meredith,

My son used to do this when he was that age too. We were worried that

he was constipated, even though when the poop finally appeared, the

texture was perfect breastfed poop.

What helped when nothing else did was to just hold him over a potty

when we knew he needed to poop or pee- it turned out that he just

really really objected to going in his diaper and soiling himself.

Once we started doing than, his poops were done within 10 minutes

(with contentment) instead of the 45 to 60 minutes of melodrama.

It IS typical that young babies do not like soiling themselves (just

like us adults), but they eventually get used to it if left to " do

it " all the time in their diapers......

The following sites might help:

http://whatisec.com/

http://www.tribalbaby.org/ECindex.html

http://www.viviente.com/2005/10/how_to_do_parttime_pottytraini_1.html

Anyway, I hope this helps somebody!

Vivienne

On 28 Apr 2008, at 6:54 AM, Meredith Bradley wrote:

> Well - my one month old nephew has some gastro-intestinal issues.

> No one (but, maybe me) is horribly alarmed.

> Here it goes: He gets extremely upset (cries and wails) for about

> 45 minutes before a bowel movement - every time. After the BM, he

> is fine. He is entirely breast fed.

> Also: He cries after he urinates or poops until his diaper is

> changed. It's like he can't stand being in his business - is

> that strange - the diapers are super absorbent and it's even if he

> goes just a little bit? Is that sensory? Or, is that typical? Am

> I jumping to conclusions?

>

>

>