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okay, my brain is spinning. I do not know about alot of this stuff you

are talking about.

I have mentioned in the past that my daughter has this ethiopian look to her

right after she eats anything. with or without her supplements or enzymes.

skinny legs and big bloated belly. We call her watermelon belly.

She has had the IgG testing but not where you state. dairy and egg white

were high, bu tother things minimal blip on the tests. WE do not give

her soy either, we think she just reacts horrible to that, bu not aware

they are in trienza. We have tried Digest Gld as well, and she actually

was worse on that...

What is an OAT test. I know I have heard others talk about that, but

remind me... I would love to give her the oil of oregano, or Caprylic

acid-- but she has a horrible gag reflux, and she jsut cannot swallow

capsules yet. So how do I get it in her, that has always been the

problem. I just dont understand it. We went thru this 3 month stage of

wedded bliss.--she was wonderful and I would just sit and cry to watch her

play on the floor with her dolls. Something we had never seen before. and

then 1 day it just started all over again. the mean temper tantrums,

screaming at me, the hitting and defiance- especially full moon, it

quadruples. I jsut want to help her, at this rate, she could not lead a

normal life and that scares me....

Jen

Re: HELP! daughter is regressing

> Jen,

> I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

> 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

> woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

> DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could handle.

> It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a prescription

> one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool and

> help w abdominal bloating;

> 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

> testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

> that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano help

> her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b. and

> any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also due

> to IgG yeast response;

> 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

> been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will seize

> from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

> exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that pain

> scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much more

> apparent.

> 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? - most

> things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

> IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated it

> w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we rotate

> on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

> deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

> food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

> Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on allergies

> that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

> attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

> 'allergy/intolerance' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

> are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

> Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels 8-9

> so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much 'neuro'

> pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

> things besides yeast? Blessings,

>

>

>

>>

>> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn. OUr

>> 6 yr old daughter--PDD-nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple food

>> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

>>

>> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

>> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

>> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes after

>> that.

>> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

>> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where we

>> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

>> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

>>

>> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from us

>> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in our

>> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

>> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

>> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

>> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

>> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's pages

>> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

>> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

>> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps touching,

>> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this thing

>> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

>> strangers

> in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

> it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

> issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

>>

>> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

>> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything else,

>> since everything they do comes back positive----And their tests are

>> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

>> moms out there... please help!

>>

>> jEN

>>

>>

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You mention the full moon, that means parasites. Do a parasite protocol, look

at humaworm. Maybe others can recommend something else.

Brainchild has a yeast protocol, lots of liquids you can add. Things like

oregon grape, biocidin. Take a look at their web site.

Probiotics? Try getting more yogurt in her? That's all I can add.

Best wishes.

Tammy

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> Jen,

> I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

> 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

> woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

> DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could handle.

> It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a prescription

> one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool and

> help w abdominal bloating;

> 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

> testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

> that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano help

> her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b. and

> any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also due

> to IgG yeast response;

> 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

> been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will seize

> from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

> exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that pain

> scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much more

> apparent.

> 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? - most

> things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

> IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated it

> w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we rotate

> on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

> deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

> food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

> Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on allergies

> that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

> attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

> 'allergy/intolerance' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

> are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

> Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels 8-9

> so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much 'neuro'

> pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

> things besides yeast? Blessings,

>

>

>

>>

>> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn. OUr

>> 6 yr old daughter--PDD-nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple food

>> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

>>

>> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

>> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

>> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes after

>> that.

>> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

>> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where we

>> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

>> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

>>

>> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from us

>> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in our

>> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

>> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

>> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

>> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

>> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's pages

>> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

>> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

>> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps touching,

>> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this thing

>> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

>> strangers

> in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

> it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

> issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

>>

>> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

>> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything else,

>> since everything they do comes back positive----And their tests are

>> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

>> moms out there... please help!

>>

>> jEN

>>

>>

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Skinny legs and big belly is a classic indicator of someone who is not absorbing

nutrients. She's gfcf, but is the whole household? If she's getting *any*

gluten, and I mean any at all (frying pan that has been used for gluten in the

past, wooden spoons used on gluten, flour opened in the house landing on things

she touches, etc.) she could be having reactions. My son certainly would. OMG,

the idea of having gluten in the house makes me sick just thinking about it.

He'd be so sick. In fact, he regresses if he even plays with toys that other

kids have played with if they've been eating gluten foods.

And has she been tested for Cystic Fibrosis?

Good luck! If you need help making your house truly gluten free, please feel

free to ask! shanwest@...

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>okay, my brain is spinning. I do not know about alot of this stuff you

>are talking about.

>I have mentioned in the past that my daughter has this ethiopian look to her

>right after she eats anything. with or without her supplements or enzymes.

>skinny legs and big bloated belly. We call her watermelon belly.

>

>She has had the IgG testing but not where you state. dairy and egg white

>were high, bu tother things minimal blip on the tests. WE do not give

>her soy either, we think she just reacts horrible to that, bu not aware

>they are in trienza. We have tried Digest Gld as well, and she actually

>was worse on that...

>What is an OAT test. I know I have heard others talk about that, but

>remind me... I would love to give her the oil of oregano, or Caprylic

>acid-- but she has a horrible gag reflux, and she jsut cannot swallow

>capsules yet. So how do I get it in her, that has always been the

>problem. I just dont understand it. We went thru this 3 month stage of

>wedded bliss.--she was wonderful and I would just sit and cry to watch her

>play on the floor with her dolls. Something we had never seen before. and

>then 1 day it just started all over again. the mean temper tantrums,

>screaming at me, the hitting and defiance- especially full moon, it

>quadruples. I jsut want to help her, at this rate, she could not lead a

>normal life and that scares me....

>Jen

> Re: HELP! daughter is regressing

>

>

>> Jen,

>> I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

>> 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

>> woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

>> DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could handle.

>> It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a prescription

>> one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool and

>> help w abdominal bloating;

>> 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

>> testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

>> that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano help

>> her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b. and

>> any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also due

>> to IgG yeast response;

>> 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

>> been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will seize

>> from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

>> exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that pain

>> scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much more

>> apparent.

>> 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? - most

>> things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

>> IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated it

>> w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we rotate

>> on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

>> deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

>> food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

>> Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on allergies

>> that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

>> attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

>> 'allergy/intolerance' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

>> are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

>> Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels 8-9

>> so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much 'neuro'

>> pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

>> things besides yeast? Blessings,

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>>> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn. OUr

>>> 6 yr old daughter--PDD-nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple food

>>> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

>>>

>>> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

>>> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

>>> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes after

>>> that.

>>> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

>>> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where we

>>> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

>>> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

>>>

>>> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>>> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from us

>>> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in our

>>> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

>>> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

>>> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

>>> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

>>> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's pages

>>> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

>>> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

>>> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps touching,

>>> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this thing

>>> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

>>> strangers

>> in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

>> it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

>> issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

>>>

>>> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>>> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

>>> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything else,

>>> since everything they do comes back positive----And their tests are

>>> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

>>> moms out there... please help!

>>>

>>> jEN

>>>

>>>

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yes, we know of the parasite issue, but how do you get disgusting black

walnut in her. she cannot swallow capsules. And yes I know, Dana has

instructions on her website to teach how to swallow --believe me, we have

tried it for two years, and her gag reflux, she either coughs it and the

liquid everywhere or instantly throws up.

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>

> > Jen,

> > I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

> > 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

> > woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

> > DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could

> handle.

> > It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a

> prescription

> > one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool

> and

> > help w abdominal bloating;

> > 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

> > testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

> > that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano

> help

> > her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b.

> and

> > any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also

> due

> > to IgG yeast response;

> > 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

> > been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will

> seize

> > from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

> > exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that

> pain

> > scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much

> more

> > apparent.

> > 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? -

> most

> > things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

> > IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated

> it

> > w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we

> rotate

> > on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

> > deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

> > food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

> > Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on

> allergies

> > that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

> > attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

> > 'allergy/intolerance' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

> > are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

> > Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels

> 8-9

> > so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much

> 'neuro'

> > pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

> > things besides yeast? Blessings,

> >

> >

> >

> >>

> >> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn. OUr

> >> 6 yr old daughter--PDD-nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple food

> >> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

> >>

> >> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

> >> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

> >> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes

> after

> >> that.

> >> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

> >> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where

> we

> >> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

> >> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

> >>

> >> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

> >> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

> >> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from

> us

> >> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in

> our

> >> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

> >> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

> >> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

> >> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

> >> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's

> pages

> >> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

> >> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

> >> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps

> touching,

> >> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this thing

> >> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

> >> strangers

> > in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

> > it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

> > issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

> >>

> >> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill

> massively

> >> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

> >> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything

> else,

> >> since everything they do comes back positive----And their tests are

> >> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

> >> moms out there... please help!

> >>

> >> jEN

> >>

> >>

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no the entire house is not gluten free, we have had gluten test and gluten

test done, and by testing reactions nothing comes back abnormal. But we

have kept her gluten free due to diahrrea issues. no she has never been

tested for cystic fibrosis--what makes you think that....

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>>

>>

>>> Jen,

>>> I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

>>> 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

>>> woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

>>> DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could

>>> handle.

>>> It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a

>>> prescription

>>> one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool

>>> and

>>> help w abdominal bloating;

>>> 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

>>> testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

>>> that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano help

>>> her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b. and

>>> any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also due

>>> to IgG yeast response;

>>> 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

>>> been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will

>>> seize

>>> from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

>>> exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that

>>> pain

>>> scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much

>>> more

>>> apparent.

>>> 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? -

>>> most

>>> things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

>>> IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated

>>> it

>>> w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we rotate

>>> on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

>>> deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

>>> food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

>>> Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on allergies

>>> that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

>>> attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

>>> 'allergy/intolerance' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

>>> are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

>>> Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels 8-9

>>> so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much 'neuro'

>>> pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

>>> things besides yeast? Blessings,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn.

>>>> OUr

>>>> 6 yr old daughter--PDD-nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple

>>>> food

>>>> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

>>>>

>>>> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

>>>> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

>>>> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes

>>>> after

>>>> that.

>>>> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

>>>> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where

>>>> we

>>>> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

>>>> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

>>>>

>>>> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>>>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>>>> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from

>>>> us

>>>> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in

>>>> our

>>>> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

>>>> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

>>>> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

>>>> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

>>>> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's

>>>> pages

>>>> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

>>>> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

>>>> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps

>>>> touching,

>>>> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this

>>>> thing

>>>> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

>>>> strangers

>>> in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

>>> it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

>>> issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

>>>>

>>>> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>>>> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

>>>> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything

>>>> else,

>>>> since everything they do comes back positive----And their tests are

>>>> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

>>>> moms out there... please help!

>>>>

>>>> jEN

>>>>

>>>>

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can't do yogurt, that is dairy, but will look into the humaworm....

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>

> > Jen,

> > I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

> > 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

> > woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

> > DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could

> handle.

> > It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a

> prescription

> > one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool

> and

> > help w abdominal bloating;

> > 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

> > testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

> > that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano

> help

> > her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b.

> and

> > any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also

> due

> > to IgG yeast response;

> > 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

> > been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will

> seize

> > from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

> > exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that

> pain

> > scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much

> more

> > apparent.

> > 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? -

> most

> > things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

> > IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated

> it

> > w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we

> rotate

> > on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

> > deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

> > food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

> > Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on

> allergies

> > that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

> > attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

> > 'allergy/intolerance' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

> > are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

> > Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels

> 8-9

> > so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much

> 'neuro'

> > pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

> > things besides yeast? Blessings,

> >

> >

> >

> >>

> >> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn. OUr

> >> 6 yr old daughter--PDD-nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple food

> >> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

> >>

> >> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

> >> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

> >> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes

> after

> >> that.

> >> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

> >> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where

> we

> >> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

> >> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

> >>

> >> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

> >> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

> >> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from

> us

> >> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in

> our

> >> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

> >> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

> >> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

> >> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

> >> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's

> pages

> >> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

> >> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

> >> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps

> touching,

> >> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this thing

> >> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

> >> strangers

> > in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

> > it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

> > issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

> >>

> >> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill

> massively

> >> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

> >> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything

> else,

> >> since everything they do comes back positive----And their tests are

> >> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

> >> moms out there... please help!

> >>

> >> jEN

> >>

> >>

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a girlfriend of mine has cystic fibrosis. And doesn't present

anything like that....so I am confused with that option,

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>>

>>

>>> Jen,

>>> I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

>>> 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

>>> woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

>>> DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could

>>> handle.

>>> It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a

>>> prescription

>>> one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool

>>> and

>>> help w abdominal bloating;

>>> 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

>>> testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

>>> that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano help

>>> her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b. and

>>> any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also due

>>> to IgG yeast response;

>>> 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

>>> been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will

>>> seize

>>> from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

>>> exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that

>>> pain

>>> scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much

>>> more

>>> apparent.

>>> 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? -

>>> most

>>> things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

>>> IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated

>>> it

>>> w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we rotate

>>> on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

>>> deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

>>> food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

>>> Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on allergies

>>> that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

>>> attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

>>> 'allergy/intolerance' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

>>> are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

>>> Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels 8-9

>>> so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much 'neuro'

>>> pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

>>> things besides yeast? Blessings,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn.

>>>> OUr

>>>> 6 yr old daughter--PDD-nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple

>>>> food

>>>> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

>>>>

>>>> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

>>>> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

>>>> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes

>>>> after

>>>> that.

>>>> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

>>>> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where

>>>> we

>>>> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

>>>> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

>>>>

>>>> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>>>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>>>> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from

>>>> us

>>>> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in

>>>> our

>>>> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

>>>> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

>>>> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

>>>> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

>>>> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's

>>>> pages

>>>> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

>>>> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

>>>> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps

>>>> touching,

>>>> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this

>>>> thing

>>>> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

>>>> strangers

>>> in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

>>> it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

>>> issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

>>>>

>>>> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>>>> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

>>>> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything

>>>> else,

>>>> since everything they do comes back positive----And their tests are

>>>> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

>>>> moms out there... please help!

>>>>

>>>> jEN

>>>>

>>>>

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nope, no new supplements----and need to give more probiotics I guess since

we have been hitting the yeast so hard. I just feel like all I do is give

this kid supplements--I am so tired, this is so hard. I just want to have

a calm day once. Where we are not all walking on egg shells--my son is

angry and stressed out. She embarrasses us everywhere we go. HIs

friends never want to come here to play, because she scares the heck out of

them, or she is licking or hitting them. I jsut feel bad for my 10 yr

old. It is so hard, and I really resent her sometimes--I know she can't

help it, and doesn't realize what she is doing. But somedays i just

collapse from no sleep, and the constant stress of trying to control her.

It has financially ruined us, since I had to close my business, and has put

major stress on my marriage and other family relationships. It just

stinks, and today is just one of those days, when I have had enough. I

am just beaten....And I appreciate having a place to go for help, where

others have been there too ,. So thankyou for all your advice. I will

look into it all...

Jen

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> Has anything changed in the last 8 weeks? New supplements?

>

> I give the Candidase 1 hr before meals and the GSE and Virus Stop 1/2

> before. Are you giving probiotics? Could also be some bacterial issues

> there.

>

> May need to increase the GSE or perhaps try Oil of Oregano. Olive Leaf

> Extract is also good anti-viral and anti bacterial.

>

> Wish I had better suggestions. Hang in there.

>

> Karla

>

>

>>

>> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn. OUr

>> 6 yr old daughter--PDD-nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple food

>> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

>>

>> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

>> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

>> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes after

>> that.

>> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

>> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where we

>> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

>> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

>>

>> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from us

>> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in our

>> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

>> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

>> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

>> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

>> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's pages

>> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

>> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

>> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps touching,

>> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this thing

>> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

>> strangers

> in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

> it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

> issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

>>

>> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

>> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything else,

>> since everything they do comes back positive----And their tests are

>> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

>> moms out there... please help!

>>

>> jEN

>>

>>

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constipation? A lot of people with ASD get v v constipated

Sally

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> okay, my brain is spinning. I do not know about alot of this stuff you

> are talking about.

> I have mentioned in the past that my daughter has this ethiopian look to her

> right after she eats anything. with or without her supplements or enzymes.

> skinny legs and big bloated belly. We call her watermelon belly.

>

> She has had the IgG testing but not where you state. dairy and egg white

> were high, bu tother things minimal blip on the tests. WE do not give

> her soy either, we think she just reacts horrible to that, bu not aware

> they are in trienza. We have tried Digest Gld as well, and she actually

> was worse on that...

> What is an OAT test. I know I have heard others talk about that, but

> remind me... I would love to give her the oil of oregano, or Caprylic

> acid-- but she has a horrible gag reflux, and she jsut cannot swallow

> capsules yet. So how do I get it in her, that has always been the

> problem. I just dont understand it. We went thru this 3 month stage of

> wedded bliss.--she was wonderful and I would just sit and cry to watch her

> play on the floor with her dolls. Something we had never seen before. and

> then 1 day it just started all over again. the mean temper tantrums,

> screaming at me, the hitting and defiance- especially full moon, it

> quadruples. I jsut want to help her, at this rate, she could not lead a

> normal life and that scares me....

> Jen

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>

>

>

>> Jen,

>> I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

>> 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

>> woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

>> DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could handle.

>> It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a prescription

>> one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool and

>> help w abdominal bloating;

>> 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

>> testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

>> that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano help

>> her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b. and

>> any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also due

>> to IgG yeast response;

>> 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

>> been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will seize

>> from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

>> exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that pain

>> scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much more

>> apparent.

>> 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? - most

>> things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

>> IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated it

>> w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we rotate

>> on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

>> deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

>> food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

>> Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on allergies

>> that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

>> attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

>> 'allergy/intolerance' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

>> are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

>> Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels 8-9

>> so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much 'neuro'

>> pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

>> things besides yeast? Blessings,

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn. OUr

>>> 6 yr old daughter--PDD-nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple food

>>> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

>>>

>>> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

>>> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

>>> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes after

>>> that.

>>> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

>>> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where we

>>> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

>>> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

>>>

>>> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>>> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from us

>>> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in our

>>> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

>>> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

>>> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

>>> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

>>> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's pages

>>> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

>>> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

>>> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps touching,

>>> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this thing

>>> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

>>> strangers

>>>

>> in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

>> it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

>> issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

>>

>>> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>>> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

>>> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything else,

>>> since everything they do comes back positive----And their tests are

>>> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

>>> moms out there... please help!

>>>

>>> jEN

>>>

>>>

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Yes, she does do Epsom salt baths each night, takes peter gillhams

magnesium calm, not flavored, I will ask our DAN about the Geneva

Diagnostics.

Jen

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> We kept treating for yeast, and our problem turned out to be more

> bacterially based...clostridia to be exact. Treating so much for the yeast

> lets bacteria get a foothold. The aggression, running out in traffic, no

> stranger danger, no fear of danger at all really says bacteria to me.

>

> You can test for bacteria with Genova Diagnostics (our DAN should be

> familiar) but some things we've used include:

>

> Vancocin (prescription antibiotic...very strong)

> Olive leaf extract

> Sac Boulardii (pre-biotic)

> VSL3-DS (VERY strong probiotic). This was a prescription.

> Biocidin (this is expensive but was recommended to us...we didn't do this

> one yet)

>

> Pre and Probiotics can be hidden in smoothies. OLE is kinda stinky and

> might be difficult to hide.

>

> I would also suggest a brushing protocol and lots of massages and epsom

> salt baths. When a child gets all tensed up and aggressive like this, it

> becomes a bit of a vicious cycle. For my son, the supplements/medication

> didn't work until his body calmed down enough to handle them. Make sure

> your child is pooping pooping pooping. Consider magnesium or oxypowder to

> make sure to keep things moving out of her digestive system. Epsom salt

> baths can help to get the toxins you're killing with the yeast protocol

> too.

>

> It is HARD. We were housebound for 18 months with this sort of behavior.

> It takes you to the breaking point. Hang in there!!

>

> Sara

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

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she is on and off with constipation--takes 1tsp of Gillhams magnesium

calm powder 3 times a day. And she sometimes goes 3 days without going.

but then she will go a week and go everyday. IT is on and off.

JEn

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>>

>>

>>

>>> Jen,

>>> I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

>>> 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

>>> woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

>>> DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could

>>> handle.

>>> It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a

>>> prescription

>>> one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool

>>> and

>>> help w abdominal bloating;

>>> 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

>>> testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

>>> that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano help

>>> her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b. and

>>> any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also due

>>> to IgG yeast response;

>>> 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

>>> been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will

>>> seize

>>> from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

>>> exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that

>>> pain

>>> scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much

>>> more

>>> apparent.

>>> 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? -

>>> most

>>> things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

>>> IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated

>>> it

>>> w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we rotate

>>> on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

>>> deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

>>> food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

>>> Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on allergies

>>> that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

>>> attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

>>> 'allergy/intolerance' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

>>> are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

>>> Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels 8-9

>>> so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much 'neuro'

>>> pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

>>> things besides yeast? Blessings,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn.

>>>> OUr

>>>> 6 yr old daughter--PDD-nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple

>>>> food

>>>> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

>>>>

>>>> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

>>>> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

>>>> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes

>>>> after

>>>> that.

>>>> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

>>>> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where

>>>> we

>>>> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

>>>> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

>>>>

>>>> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>>>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>>>> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from

>>>> us

>>>> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in

>>>> our

>>>> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

>>>> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

>>>> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

>>>> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

>>>> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's

>>>> pages

>>>> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

>>>> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

>>>> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps

>>>> touching,

>>>> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this

>>>> thing

>>>> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

>>>> strangers

>>>>

>>> in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

>>> it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

>>> issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

>>>

>>>> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>>>> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

>>>> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything

>>>> else,

>>>> since everything they do comes back positive----And their tests are

>>>> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

>>>> moms out there... please help!

>>>>

>>>> jEN

>>>>

>>>>

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No nothing new. I have been emailing about this for over a year. She has

this cyclical stuff that keeps happening and then there is the almost

honeymoon period of bliss, where she is wonderful and then all of a sudden,

ti rears it's ugly head. And right now it has been going downhill for about

the last 8 weeks. Just total defiance, hitting and running away, just

nasty back talk attitude--throwing things, and just cannot focus one bit.

Going from item to item in a matter of 30 seconds....

I think a lot has to do with this parasites. I have been reading a lot

about it, since she has such issues around full moon. But I will work on

the OOO, and OLE.on the feet Are they both for bacteria?

Thanks for your advice.

Jen

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> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all night

long days at a time.

If you think it is yeast, try increasing the GSE, maybe increase biotin.

There were times when my son needed 20mg biotin 3x per day as well as 4

tablets GSE 3x per day.

Sometimes my son's bad bacteria symptoms were the same as the yeast

symptoms. If you think it might have migrated to bad bacteria, try dropping

the GSE and add OLE or OoO.

> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively in

the last 8 weeks,

What has happened that is new? Any new supps or medications you added? Or

removed? Did you move to a new house, new school? Anything like this?

Dana

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hi Jen,

 

When my son was two, the doctor put him on antibiotics for an ear infection, he

reacted badly and developed severe case of gastroentoritis. His stomach was very

swollen and he began foaming at the mouth (scary).. we took him to the emergency

room where they

x-rayed him and put him on an IV for dehydration.  His bm was very watery and

yellow in color.   

 

When I look back, I think that epsiode really did a number of his GI from then

on.  He had frequent watery bm's for about a  year after that.  He slowly

began to withdraw, stopped responding to his name, became echolalic and the

next year he had a horrible regression. He was dx pdd nos at age 3.

 

We've been working with a naturopathe who put him on probiotics, ultimate

aloe and pedialyte for his gut.  His bms are normal now and he's doing much

better but not out of the woods completely.

 

Like your daughter my son was a chronic bolter. he's very fast and he'd

run into traffic, in the store etc.   He even jumped into a river over his

head (I had to jump in and fish him out).  He had absolutely no fear. He's

improved a lot behavior-wise (stops when told too).

 

It definitely seems like she has malabsorption plus all the yeast clostridia

and other problems..sounds like a vicious cycle.  Have you talked to a GI

specialist? A GI specialist may be able to help get her gut flora in under

control.

 

Sorry you are going through this.. sounds like a nightmare. Please keep us

updated.

 

 

 

 

From: thesweetattack <thesweetattack@...>

Subject: Re: Re: HELP! daughter is regressing

Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:55 PM

 

okay, my brain is spinning. I do not know about alot of this stuff you

are talking about.

I have mentioned in the past that my daughter has this ethiopian look to her

right after she eats anything. with or without her supplements or enzymes.

skinny legs and big bloated belly. We call her watermelon belly.

She has had the IgG testing but not where you state. dairy and egg white

were high, bu tother things minimal blip on the tests. WE do not give

her soy either, we think she just reacts horrible to that, bu not aware

they are in trienza. We have tried Digest Gld as well, and she actually

was worse on that...

What is an OAT test. I know I have heard others talk about that, but

remind me... I would love to give her the oil of oregano, or Caprylic

acid-- but she has a horrible gag reflux, and she jsut cannot swallow

capsules yet. So how do I get it in her, that has always been the

problem. I just dont understand it. We went thru this 3 month stage of

wedded bliss.--she was wonderful and I would just sit and cry to watch her

play on the floor with her dolls. Something we had never seen before. and

then 1 day it just started all over again. the mean temper tantrums,

screaming at me, the hitting and defiance- especially full moon, it

quadruples. I jsut want to help her, at this rate, she could not lead a

normal life and that scares me....

Jen

Re: HELP! daughter is regressing

> Jen,

> I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

> 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

> woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

> DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could handle.

> It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a prescription

> one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool and

> help w abdominal bloating;

> 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

> testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

> that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano help

> her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b. and

> any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also due

> to IgG yeast response;

> 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

> been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will seize

> from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

> exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that pain

> scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much more

> apparent.

> 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? - most

> things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

> IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated it

> w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we rotate

> on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

> deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

> food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

> Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on allergies

> that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

> attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

> 'allergy/intoleranc e' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

> are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

> Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels 8-9

> so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much 'neuro'

> pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

> things besides yeast? Blessings,

>

>

>

>>

>> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn. OUr

>> 6 yr old daughter--PDD- nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple food

>> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

>>

>> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

>> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

>> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes after

>> that.

>> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

>> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where we

>> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

>> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

>>

>> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from us

>> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in our

>> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

>> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

>> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

>> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

>> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's pages

>> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

>> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

>> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps touching,

>> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this thing

>> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

>> strangers

> in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

> it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

> issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

>>

>> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

>> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything else,

>> since everything they do comes back positive---- And their tests are

>> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

>> moms out there... please help!

>>

>> jEN

>>

>>

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We are in very small town, have never seen rice or coconut yogurt, where

do you get it...Also where do you get a OAT test done, must it be ordered

by my DAN???A

AS for the oregano oil, yes she can eat Italian, but not everyday. Are

you saying it works that fast that once and done will do it?? Is Lauriciden

a prescription> or OTC....

As for sensory, has issues with lighting, and taste texture, as I do

myself...

Jen

Re: HELP! daughter is regressing

There is rice and coconut yogurt if she can handle those.

OAT is an Organic Acid Test. Urine Test that will tell you about yeast and

bacteria issues, oxalate issues, vitamin and mineral deficiencies.

Oil of Oregano. can she eat italian food? Sprinkle the capsule in tomato

sauce or sloppy joes. Can also give the drops in a very strong juice (it

does taste nasty) Try cranberry or Pomegranete. That might work with the

walnut as well. Lauricidin may be somethig to try for yeast. Very small

tablets (look like wax). Not chewable, but maybe she can swallow those.

Does your daughter have sensory integration issues? SIT might help with gag

reflex.

Karla

> > >>

> > >> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn. OUr

> > >> 6 yr old daughter--PDD-nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple

food

> > >> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

> > >>

> > >> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x

day,

> > >> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

> > >> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes

> > after

> > >> that.

> > >> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

> > >> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where

> > we

> > >> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

> > >> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

> > >>

> > >> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

> > >> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

> > >> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from

> > us

> > >> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in

> > our

> > >> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

> > >> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for

the

> > >> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

> > >> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

> > >> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's

> > pages

> > >> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

> > >> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very

hyper,

> > >> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps

> > touching,

> > >> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this

thing

> > >> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

> > >> strangers

> > > in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she

knows

> > > it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

> > > issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

> > >>

> > >> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill

> > massively

> > >> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

> > >> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything

> > else,

> > >> since everything they do comes back positive----And their tests are

> > >> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

> > >> moms out there... please help!

> > >>

> > >> jEN

> > >>

> > >>

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Gluten testing is remarkably inaccurate. False negatives in children are

expected. I cannot tell you how many kids in the KidsWithCeliac group tested

negative. Most, I'd guess. But since you're keeping her gluten free anyway, try

removing all traces of it from the house and see if she gets better. My son will

have a gluten reaction from the littlest amount. He'd need at least a few whole

crumbs to get a diarrhea reaction though.

CF, when it's dominant in the pancreas, can cause the big belly and miserable

kid. It's unlikely it would have escaped their notice this long, but it's

possible. My friend was diagnosed at 4. My niece was 13 months at diagnosis.

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>no the entire house is not gluten free, we have had gluten test and gluten

>test done, and by testing reactions nothing comes back abnormal. But we

>have kept her gluten free due to diahrrea issues. no she has never been

>tested for cystic fibrosis--what makes you think that....

> Re: HELP! daughter is regressing

>>>

>>>

>>>> Jen,

>>>> I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

>>>> 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

>>>> woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

>>>> DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could

>>>> handle.

>>>> It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a

>>>> prescription

>>>> one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool

>>>> and

>>>> help w abdominal bloating;

>>>> 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

>>>> testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

>>>> that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano help

>>>> her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b. and

>>>> any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also due

>>>> to IgG yeast response;

>>>> 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

>>>> been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will

>>>> seize

>>>> from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

>>>> exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that

>>>> pain

>>>> scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much

>>>> more

>>>> apparent.

>>>> 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? -

>>>> most

>>>> things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

>>>> IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated

>>>> it

>>>> w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we rotate

>>>> on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

>>>> deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

>>>> food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

>>>> Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on allergies

>>>> that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

>>>> attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

>>>> 'allergy/intolerance' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

>>>> are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

>>>> Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels 8-9

>>>> so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much 'neuro'

>>>> pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

>>>> things besides yeast? Blessings,

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn.

>>>>> OUr

>>>>> 6 yr old daughter--PDD-nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple

>>>>> food

>>>>> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

>>>>>

>>>>> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

>>>>> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

>>>>> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes

>>>>> after

>>>>> that.

>>>>> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

>>>>> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where

>>>>> we

>>>>> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

>>>>> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

>>>>>

>>>>> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>>>>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>>>>> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from

>>>>> us

>>>>> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in

>>>>> our

>>>>> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

>>>>> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

>>>>> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

>>>>> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

>>>>> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's

>>>>> pages

>>>>> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

>>>>> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

>>>>> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps

>>>>> touching,

>>>>> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this

>>>>> thing

>>>>> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

>>>>> strangers

>>>> in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

>>>> it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

>>>> issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

>>>>>

>>>>> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>>>>> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

>>>>> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything

>>>>> else,

>>>>> since everything they do comes back positive----And their tests are

>>>>> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

>>>>> moms out there... please help!

>>>>>

>>>>> jEN

>>>>>

>>>>>

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We have spoken with a GI specialist, but they will not touch her. They

know there is more going on here than just GI issues. And since we have

been forwarded to s Hopkins and working with a biochemical geneticist,

they will not do anything. It is like they are all afraid to do anything.

It is so frustrating.

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Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:55 PM

 

okay, my brain is spinning. I do not know about alot of this stuff you

are talking about.

I have mentioned in the past that my daughter has this ethiopian look to her

right after she eats anything. with or without her supplements or enzymes.

skinny legs and big bloated belly. We call her watermelon belly.

She has had the IgG testing but not where you state. dairy and egg white

were high, bu tother things minimal blip on the tests. WE do not give

her soy either, we think she just reacts horrible to that, bu not aware

they are in trienza. We have tried Digest Gld as well, and she actually

was worse on that...

What is an OAT test. I know I have heard others talk about that, but

remind me... I would love to give her the oil of oregano, or Caprylic

acid-- but she has a horrible gag reflux, and she jsut cannot swallow

capsules yet. So how do I get it in her, that has always been the

problem. I just dont understand it. We went thru this 3 month stage of

wedded bliss.--she was wonderful and I would just sit and cry to watch her

play on the floor with her dolls. Something we had never seen before. and

then 1 day it just started all over again. the mean temper tantrums,

screaming at me, the hitting and defiance- especially full moon, it

quadruples. I jsut want to help her, at this rate, she could not lead a

normal life and that scares me....

Jen

Re: HELP! daughter is regressing

> Jen,

> I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

> 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

> woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

> DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could handle.

> It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a prescription

> one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool and

> help w abdominal bloating;

> 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

> testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

> that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano help

> her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b. and

> any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also due

> to IgG yeast response;

> 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

> been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will seize

> from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

> exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that pain

> scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much more

> apparent.

> 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? - most

> things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

> IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated it

> w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we rotate

> on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

> deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

> food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

> Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on allergies

> that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

> attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

> 'allergy/intoleranc e' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

> are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

> Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels 8-9

> so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much 'neuro'

> pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

> things besides yeast? Blessings,

>

>

>

>>

>> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn. OUr

>> 6 yr old daughter--PDD- nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple food

>> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

>>

>> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

>> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

>> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes after

>> that.

>> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

>> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where we

>> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

>> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

>>

>> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from us

>> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in our

>> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

>> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

>> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

>> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

>> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's pages

>> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

>> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

>> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps touching,

>> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this thing

>> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

>> strangers

> in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

> it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

> issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

>>

>> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

>> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything else,

>> since everything they do comes back positive---- And their tests are

>> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

>> moms out there... please help!

>>

>> jEN

>>

>>

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that's unreal...shame on those doctors.  maybe next time she bloats up and is

in distress bring in through the emergency room like we did then they'll have to

treat her.

 

The probiotic my son was on for his gut issues is called:Saccharomyces boulardii

 http://www.sboulardii.com/

 

Dr. Mercola may has some good info on probiotocs on his web sie that may help.

http://probiotics.mercola.com/probiotics.html

 

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Subject: Re: Re: HELP! daughter is regressing

Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:55 PM

 

okay, my brain is spinning. I do not know about alot of this stuff you

are talking about.

I have mentioned in the past that my daughter has this ethiopian look to her

right after she eats anything. with or without her supplements or enzymes.

skinny legs and big bloated belly. We call her watermelon belly.

She has had the IgG testing but not where you state. dairy and egg white

were high, bu tother things minimal blip on the tests. WE do not give

her soy either, we think she just reacts horrible to that, bu not aware

they are in trienza. We have tried Digest Gld as well, and she actually

was worse on that...

What is an OAT test. I know I have heard others talk about that, but

remind me... I would love to give her the oil of oregano, or Caprylic

acid-- but she has a horrible gag reflux, and she jsut cannot swallow

capsules yet. So how do I get it in her, that has always been the

problem. I just dont understand it. We went thru this 3 month stage of

wedded bliss.--she was wonderful and I would just sit and cry to watch her

play on the floor with her dolls. Something we had never seen before. and

then 1 day it just started all over again. the mean temper tantrums,

screaming at me, the hitting and defiance- especially full moon, it

quadruples. I jsut want to help her, at this rate, she could not lead a

normal life and that scares me....

Jen

Re: HELP! daughter is regressing

> Jen,

> I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

> 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

> woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

> DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could handle.

> It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a prescription

> one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool and

> help w abdominal bloating;

> 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

> testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

> that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano help

> her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b. and

> any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also due

> to IgG yeast response;

> 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

> been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will seize

> from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

> exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that pain

> scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much more

> apparent.

> 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? - most

> things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

> IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated it

> w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we rotate

> on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

> deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

> food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

> Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on allergies

> that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

> attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

> 'allergy/intoleranc e' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

> are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

> Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels 8-9

> so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much 'neuro'

> pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

> things besides yeast? Blessings,

>

>

>

>>

>> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn. OUr

>> 6 yr old daughter--PDD- nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple food

>> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

>>

>> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

>> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

>> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes after

>> that.

>> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

>> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where we

>> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

>> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

>>

>> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from us

>> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in our

>> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

>> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

>> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

>> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

>> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's pages

>> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

>> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

>> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps touching,

>> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this thing

>> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

>> strangers

> in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

> it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

> issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

>>

>> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

>> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything else,

>> since everything they do comes back positive---- And their tests are

>> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

>> moms out there... please help!

>>

>> jEN

>>

>>

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thankyou so much-I really appreciate all these moms and their help..

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> Jen,

> I'm sorry you are going through such a tough time. Just a few thoughts.

> 1. My daughter did not tolerate any plant/fungal based enzymes-'wild

> woman' is apt description for behavior on them-?candidase? Thorne's

> DiPan-9 is pork based and the only over the counter one she could handle.

> It was not until she was well into teen years that she got a prescription

> one[ultrase] that did wonders to clear the obvious food from her stool and

> help w abdominal bloating;

> 2. GSE was a disaster and went way beyond what I considered 'die-off';

> testing showed a grapefruit IgG response although she's never eaten it

> that I'm aware of. Both Caprylic Acid and emulsified oil of oregano help

> her out w yeast. She does NOT tolerate the 'good yeasts' like sac b. and

> any bitartrate[in lots of B formulas for the choline component]-also due

> to IgG yeast response;

> 3.The soy residue in Virastop also gives her big problems so she's not

> been able to use it. Have you tried soy free diet- my daughter will seize

> from gluten/casein and not from soy BUT the neuroirritability that she

> exhibits when she has soy is 8-9 out of ten. When I began using that pain

> scale[1-10] to rate irritability, the degree of distress became much more

> apparent.

> 4. Do you know what the 'natural lemon flavor' is for the Mag calm? - most

> things labelled 'natural flavor' do not sit well here.

> IgG testing through Alletess was a life saver here. Our doc coordinated it

> w skin testing and knocked out 42+ foods from diet. All others we rotate

> on a 4 day schedule. This has allowed her to eat many items that I had

> deleted from her diet because she was reacting to them. We had done the

> food panels through other labs w/o much success in targeting offenders.

> Doris Rapp's book 'Is This Your Child' gave me some insight on allergies

> that exhibit in the nervous system. If we'd seen a full blown asthma

> attack or a child covered in hives we would have thought

> 'allergy/intoleranc e' and been in the ER a LOT. Instead we saw what you

> are describing-much neurological distress! and a child out of control.

> Funny thing is she would not even remember those behaviors at levels 8-9

> so any kind of behavior mod was useless. She was just in so much 'neuro'

> pain. Do you have a recent OAT that may give you some clues about other

> things besides yeast? Blessings,

>

>

>

>>

>> OKay, out of sheer desperation, I just don't know where to turn. OUr

>> 6 yr old daughter--PDD- nos, ADHd, ketotic hypoglycemic, multiple food

>> allergies. She is on GFCFEF dye free diet for over 2 years now.

>>

>> Takes magnesium calm 3 times a day with trienza, 3 drops gse, 3x day,

>> biotin 1000, Vit C, b complex, b-3, Takes candidase and virastop

>> everynight in double doses iwth activated charcoal about 45 minutes after

>> that.

>> We went thru a major yeast detox' in the last two weeks as hopes of

>> getting it out, USING CANDIDASE 3 TIMES A DAY DURING THE DAY---where we

>> dropped the b's, but kept the c's to try and keep the virals from

>> raising. And she got very croupy and stuffed up.

>>

>> This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>> night long days at a time. She runs out in traffics, runs awa y from us

>> in stores and has absolutely no stranger danger. We are prisoners in our

>> own home, as we just cannot take her anywhere, due ot the safety and

>> destruction factor--- We have been treating the yeast heavily for the

>> last 18 months. And every answer I see on here is Yeast, YEast,

>> YEast---She gets no artificial flavors, dyes, or process foods. I

>> don't know what else to do. I have read and followed all of Dana's pages

>> for yeast, and her behavior is just getting worse---she is having

>> trouble at school now, where she never did before. She is very hyper,

>> wil not sit still , keeps interrupting the teacher, and keeps touching,

>> licking, kissing other kids and complete strangers. She has this thing

>> for pulling up her shirt and pointing to her breasts to complete

>> strangers

> in the stores. She knows she is not supposed to do it, and it she knows

> it is a major no, no and right now, she does everything to the worst

> issue. I swear just to get a rise out of me...

>>

>> HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>> in the last 8 weeks, and I don't know what else to do....Our Dan has

>> advised us against going to great plains for yeast test or anything else,

>> since everything they do comes back positive---- And their tests are

>> questionable. I am stuck, and looking for advice from all you great

>> moms out there... please help!

>>

>> jEN

>>

>>

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what is strep or pandas? you mean strep throat???

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>>

>> > This child is so defiant, nuts, impulsive and destructive again, she

>> screams all the time, gets constant yeast infections, and is up all

>> night

>> long days at a time.

>>

>>

>> If you think it is yeast, try increasing the GSE, maybe increase biotin.

>> There were times when my son needed 20mg biotin 3x per day as well as 4

>> tablets GSE 3x per day.

>>

>> Sometimes my son's bad bacteria symptoms were the same as the yeast

>> symptoms. If you think it might have migrated to bad bacteria, try

>> dropping

>> the GSE and add OLE or OoO.

>>

>>

>> > HELP!--I am going out of my mind...This has all gone downhill massively

>> > in

>> the last 8 weeks,

>>

>>

>> What has happened that is new? Any new supps or medications you added?

>> Or

>> removed? Did you move to a new house, new school? Anything like this?

>>

>> Dana

>>

>>

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thankyou for saying that, she takes 2 rounded tsps of the magnesium calm

daily, and it doesn't produce every day, sometimes only every 2. But our

issue is we cannot get her to swallow capsules. Due you have a Vit

C(ascorbic acid) that is a chewable or liquid that can be added to juice

etc?

Jen

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> I'm joining this thread late, but wanted to say that mag citrate does

> little to alleviate constipation for my DD. Magnesium oxide and Vitamin C

> (ascorbic acid) produces a stool or two daily.

>

>

>

>>

>> she is on and off with constipation--takes 1tsp of Gillhams

>> magnesium

>> calm powder 3 times a day. And she sometimes goes 3 days without going.

>> but then she will go a week and go everyday. IT is on and off.

>> JEn

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Kirkman has a buffered vit c powder that mixes well in liquid or food. It is a

little tart though.

 

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Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 7:54 AM

 

thankyou for saying that, she takes 2 rounded tsps of the magnesium calm

daily, and it doesn't produce every day, sometimes only every 2. But our

issue is we cannot get her to swallow capsules. Due you have a Vit

C(ascorbic acid) that is a chewable or liquid that can be added to juice

etc?

Jen

Re: HELP! daughter is regressing

> I'm joining this thread late, but wanted to say that mag citrate does

> little to alleviate constipation for my DD. Magnesium oxide and Vitamin C

> (ascorbic acid) produces a stool or two daily.

>

>

>

>>

>> she is on and off with constipation- -takes 1tsp of Gillhams

>> magnesium

>> calm powder 3 times a day. And she sometimes goes 3 days without going.

>> but then she will go a week and go everyday. IT is on and off.

>> JEn

>

>

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do any of these have bitter taste? or easily mixable or dissolve..

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>I use 500 mg of ascorbic acid powder from NOW, but Vitamin Shoppe (VS)and

>others have powder forms as well. Or you can get veggie caps which you can

>open and mix in her juice. Bulk powders are more cost effective.

>

> The mag oxide I use is from VS in 160 mg veggie caps. I just ordered that

> in powder form as well from NOW.

>

> I give these together throughout the day until her stool reaches the right

> consistency. I give an extra dose when she gets something which contains

> calcium.

>

>

>>

>> thankyou for saying that, she takes 2 rounded tsps of the magnesium calm

>> daily, and it doesn't produce every day, sometimes only every 2. But

>> our

>> issue is we cannot get her to swallow capsules. Due you have a Vit

>> C(ascorbic acid) that is a chewable or liquid that can be added to juice

>> etc?

>

>

>

>

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