Re: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

[Guest guest]

My kid has a lot of the low muscle tone/motor planning stuff you are talking

about.

I do a lot of exercises with her and have just started on bio meds and a GFCF

diet. I just wanted to tell you about my daughter's juices in the morning which

she still drinks out of a bottle.... i use a blender and throw in avocado,

banana, fresh orange juice, coriander, sprouts (alfalfa, broccoli) and pear. She

loves it.

From: jenniferelrod83 <mistura@...>

Subject: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 3:17 PM

 

I'm hoping that somebody has experience with using a biomedical treatment

to heal motor planning issues. I'm thinking contributing factors could be yeast,

carnitine deficiency, maybe even heavy metal toxicity. Has anything specific

worked for any of you parents of kids with motor planning issues?

My two year old Wyatt has made tremendous progress in just six months, since

putting him on the SCD plus enzymes (and also doing DIR/Floortime with him). But

his motor planning issues have only improved very slightly and gradually.

He has low tone. I recently started supplementing him with carnitine for that.

He has lots of yeast. I was giving him s. boullardii for that, off and on. I've

just started giving him 1/3 capsule of Candizyme daily for his yeast.

I've never had him tested for heavy metals. I read in the GAPS book that freshly

made juices will work for heavy metal detoxing. This claim is supported by lots

of footnotes which I've not checked. I figure that juicing can't hurt, so when

he is advanced enough on SCD, I plan to get a juicer and give him freshly made

juice every day.

He hasn't had any systematic physical therapy (besides me getting him outside as

much as possible before the winter hit), but I am going to have him start on

physical therapy very soon. I think all of us here have learned that therapy

works faster with biomedical support, so I I'm looking for something to help him

from the inside out at the same time while he gets his therapy.

There is so much experience collected in this forum that I'm hoping somebody

will be able to give me a clue.

Thanks!

, mother to Wyatt, 2 yrs old

motor planning issues, low tone, speech delay, sensory issues

SCD and enzymes since Aug 2009

Supplements: Natural Calm with zinc and vitamin C, acetyl-l-carnitine,

Candizyme, TriEnza, No-Fenol, homemade 24 hour goat yogurt for probiotics

[Guest guest]

Thank you, . After writing my post, I found a great article called Sensory

Integration and Biochemistry on Age of Autism.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2007/08/sensory-integra.html

I also found this, which I may try unless it is ridiculously expensive (a

carnosine patch and a glutathione patch):

http://www.lifewave.com/yage.asp

The Healers Journey blog cites a study about the benefits of carnosine for motor

planning issues.

http://thehealersjourney.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/l-carnosine-helps-cognitive-de\

velopmental-delays-socialization-in-autism/

Glutathione is supposed to help not only with detoxing but also with athletic

performance.

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be yeast, carnitine deficiency, maybe even heavy metal toxicity. Has anything

specific worked for any of you parents of kids with motor planning issues?

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> My two year old Wyatt has made tremendous progress in just six months, since

putting him on the SCD plus enzymes (and also doing DIR/Floortime with him). But

his motor planning issues have only improved very slightly and gradually.

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> He has low tone. I recently started supplementing him with carnitine for that.

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> He has lots of yeast. I was giving him s. boullardii for that, off and on.

I've just started giving him 1/3 capsule of Candizyme daily for his yeast.

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> I've never had him tested for heavy metals. I read in the GAPS book that

freshly made juices will work for heavy metal detoxing. This claim is supported

by lots of footnotes which I've not checked. I figure that juicing can't hurt,

so when he is advanced enough on SCD, I plan to get a juicer and give him

freshly made juice every day.

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> He hasn't had any systematic physical therapy (besides me getting him outside

as much as possible before the winter hit), but I am going to have him start on

physical therapy very soon. I think all of us here have learned that therapy

works faster with biomedical support, so I I'm looking for something to help him

from the inside out at the same time while he gets his therapy.

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will be able to give me a clue.

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> motor planning issues, low tone, speech delay, sensory issues

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> SCD and enzymes since Aug 2009

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> Supplements: Natural Calm with zinc and vitamin C, acetyl-l-carnitine,

Candizyme, TriEnza, No-Fenol, homemade 24 hour goat yogurt for probiotics

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[Guest guest]

Do you mean motor apraxias?

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From: jenniferelrod83 <mistura@...>

Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 2:30:00 PM

Subject: Re: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

 

Thank you, . After writing my post, I found a great article called Sensory

Integration and Biochemistry on Age of Autism.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2007/08/sensory-integra.html

I also found this, which I may try unless it is ridiculously expensive (a

carnosine patch and a glutathione patch):

http://www.lifewave .com/yage. asp

The Healers Journey blog cites a study about the benefits of carnosine for motor

planning issues.

http://thehealersjo urney.wordpress. com/2009/ 01/19/l-carnosin e-helps-cognitiv

e-developmental- delays-socializa tion-in-autism/

Glutathione is supposed to help not only with detoxing but also with athletic

performance.

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> From: jenniferelrod83 <mistura@... >

> Subject: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

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> Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 3:17 PM

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heal motor planning issues. I'm thinking contributing factors could be yeast,

carnitine deficiency, maybe even heavy metal toxicity. Has anything specific

worked for any of you parents of kids with motor planning issues?

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> My two year old Wyatt has made tremendous progress in just six months, since

putting him on the SCD plus enzymes (and also doing DIR/Floortime with him). But

his motor planning issues have only improved very slightly and gradually.

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> He has low tone. I recently started supplementing him with carnitine for that.

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> He has lots of yeast. I was giving him s. boullardii for that, off and on.

I've just started giving him 1/3 capsule of Candizyme daily for his yeast.

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> I've never had him tested for heavy metals. I read in the GAPS book that

freshly made juices will work for heavy metal detoxing. This claim is supported

by lots of footnotes which I've not checked. I figure that juicing can't hurt,

so when he is advanced enough on SCD, I plan to get a juicer and give him

freshly made juice every day.

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> He hasn't had any systematic physical therapy (besides me getting him outside

as much as possible before the winter hit), but I am going to have him start on

physical therapy very soon. I think all of us here have learned that therapy

works faster with biomedical support, so I I'm looking for something to help him

from the inside out at the same time while he gets his therapy.

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> There is so much experience collected in this forum that I'm hoping somebody

will be able to give me a clue.

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> Thanks!

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> motor planning issues, low tone, speech delay, sensory issues

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> SCD and enzymes since Aug 2009

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> Supplements: Natural Calm with zinc and vitamin C, acetyl-l-carnitine,

Candizyme, TriEnza, No-Fenol, homemade 24 hour goat yogurt for probiotics

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[Guest guest]

my concern about the patch would be the die-off reaction. it feels like it might

be physically overwhelming. still am interested to hear how much it costs. i rub

kirkmans magnesium sulphate cream on leia. strangely in israel there is not an

easy supply of epsom salts but i will get my hands on some. my daughter is

definitely dyspraxic.

From: jenniferelrod83 <mistura@...>

Subject: Re: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 4:30 PM

 

Thank you, . After writing my post, I found a great article called Sensory

Integration and Biochemistry on Age of Autism.

http://www.ageofaut ism.com/2007/ 08/sensory- integra.html

I also found this, which I may try unless it is ridiculously expensive (a

carnosine patch and a glutathione patch):

http://www.lifewave .com/yage. asp

The Healers Journey blog cites a study about the benefits of carnosine for motor

planning issues.

http://thehealersjo urney.wordpress. com/2009/ 01/19/l-carnosin e-helps-cognitiv

e-developmental- delays-socializa tion-in-autism/

Glutathione is supposed to help not only with detoxing but also with athletic

performance.

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> From: jenniferelrod83 <mistura@... >

> Subject: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

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> Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 3:17 PM

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heal motor planning issues. I'm thinking contributing factors could be yeast,

carnitine deficiency, maybe even heavy metal toxicity. Has anything specific

worked for any of you parents of kids with motor planning issues?

>

>

>

> My two year old Wyatt has made tremendous progress in just six months, since

putting him on the SCD plus enzymes (and also doing DIR/Floortime with him). But

his motor planning issues have only improved very slightly and gradually.

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> He has low tone. I recently started supplementing him with carnitine for that.

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> He has lots of yeast. I was giving him s. boullardii for that, off and on.

I've just started giving him 1/3 capsule of Candizyme daily for his yeast.

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> I've never had him tested for heavy metals. I read in the GAPS book that

freshly made juices will work for heavy metal detoxing. This claim is supported

by lots of footnotes which I've not checked. I figure that juicing can't hurt,

so when he is advanced enough on SCD, I plan to get a juicer and give him

freshly made juice every day.

>

>

>

> He hasn't had any systematic physical therapy (besides me getting him outside

as much as possible before the winter hit), but I am going to have him start on

physical therapy very soon. I think all of us here have learned that therapy

works faster with biomedical support, so I I'm looking for something to help him

from the inside out at the same time while he gets his therapy.

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> There is so much experience collected in this forum that I'm hoping somebody

will be able to give me a clue.

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> Thanks!

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> , mother to Wyatt, 2 yrs old

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> motor planning issues, low tone, speech delay, sensory issues

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> SCD and enzymes since Aug 2009

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> Supplements: Natural Calm with zinc and vitamin C, acetyl-l-carnitine,

Candizyme, TriEnza, No-Fenol, homemade 24 hour goat yogurt for probiotics

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Yes, or dyspraxia

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[Guest guest]

Glutathione will decrease not increase toxin levels in the body. Without it, fat

soluble toxins in the liver are reabsorbed by the body. When glutathione binds

to them, they become water soluble and can be excreted.

Other options besides the patch are milk thistle and alpha lipoic acid. Milk

thistle increases glutathione levels in the liver. Alpha lipoic acid is a

precursor to glutatione. It is well absorbed by the body.

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> > From: jenniferelrod83 <mistura@ >

> > Subject: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

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carnitine deficiency, maybe even heavy metal toxicity. Has anything specific

worked for any of you parents of kids with motor planning issues?

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putting him on the SCD plus enzymes (and also doing DIR/Floortime with him). But

his motor planning issues have only improved very slightly and gradually.

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> > He has low tone. I recently started supplementing him with carnitine for

that.

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> > He has lots of yeast. I was giving him s. boullardii for that, off and on.

I've just started giving him 1/3 capsule of Candizyme daily for his yeast.

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> > I've never had him tested for heavy metals. I read in the GAPS book that

freshly made juices will work for heavy metal detoxing. This claim is supported

by lots of footnotes which I've not checked. I figure that juicing can't hurt,

so when he is advanced enough on SCD, I plan to get a juicer and give him

freshly made juice every day.

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> > He hasn't had any systematic physical therapy (besides me getting him

outside as much as possible before the winter hit), but I am going to have him

start on physical therapy very soon. I think all of us here have learned that

therapy works faster with biomedical support, so I I'm looking for something to

help him from the inside out at the same time while he gets his therapy.

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will be able to give me a clue.

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> > motor planning issues, low tone, speech delay, sensory issues

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> > SCD and enzymes since Aug 2009

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Candizyme, TriEnza, No-Fenol, homemade 24 hour goat yogurt for probiotics

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[Guest guest]

I use both of these products.

Leia gets a product called GSH and she also gets homeopathic drops of milk

thistle and burdock. Just wandering if the patch won't be too intense.

From: jenniferelrod83 <mistura@...>

Subject: Re: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 6:55 AM

 

Glutathione will decrease not increase toxin levels in the body. Without it, fat

soluble toxins in the liver are reabsorbed by the body. When glutathione binds

to them, they become water soluble and can be excreted.

Other options besides the patch are milk thistle and alpha lipoic acid. Milk

thistle increases glutathione levels in the liver. Alpha lipoic acid is a

precursor to glutatione. It is well absorbed by the body.

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> > From: jenniferelrod83 <mistura@ >

> > Subject: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

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> > Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 3:17 PM

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heal motor planning issues. I'm thinking contributing factors could be yeast,

carnitine deficiency, maybe even heavy metal toxicity. Has anything specific

worked for any of you parents of kids with motor planning issues?

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> > My two year old Wyatt has made tremendous progress in just six months, since

putting him on the SCD plus enzymes (and also doing DIR/Floortime with him). But

his motor planning issues have only improved very slightly and gradually.

> >

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> > He has low tone. I recently started supplementing him with carnitine for

that.

> >

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> >

> > He has lots of yeast. I was giving him s. boullardii for that, off and on.

I've just started giving him 1/3 capsule of Candizyme daily for his yeast.

> >

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> > I've never had him tested for heavy metals. I read in the GAPS book that

freshly made juices will work for heavy metal detoxing. This claim is supported

by lots of footnotes which I've not checked. I figure that juicing can't hurt,

so when he is advanced enough on SCD, I plan to get a juicer and give him

freshly made juice every day.

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> > He hasn't had any systematic physical therapy (besides me getting him

outside as much as possible before the winter hit), but I am going to have him

start on physical therapy very soon. I think all of us here have learned that

therapy works faster with biomedical support, so I I'm looking for something to

help him from the inside out at the same time while he gets his therapy.

> >

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> > There is so much experience collected in this forum that I'm hoping somebody

will be able to give me a clue.

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> > Thanks!

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> > , mother to Wyatt, 2 yrs old

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> > motor planning issues, low tone, speech delay, sensory issues

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> > SCD and enzymes since Aug 2009

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> > Supplements: Natural Calm with zinc and vitamin C, acetyl-l-carnitine,

Candizyme, TriEnza, No-Fenol, homemade 24 hour goat yogurt for probiotics

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[Guest guest]

> I'm hoping that somebody has experience with using a biomedical treatment to

heal motor planning issues. I'm thinking contributing factors could be yeast,

carnitine deficiency, maybe even heavy metal toxicity. Has anything specific

worked for any of you parents of kids with motor planning issues?

Those worked here. Hit the yeast hard, that was primary. Definitely consider

chelation.

> He has low tone. I recently started supplementing him with carnitine for that.

Carnitine is good for this.

> He has lots of yeast. I was giving him s. boullardii for that, off and on.

I've just started giving him 1/3 capsule of Candizyme daily for his yeast.

Those doses and products would have done nothing for my son. He needed high

doses of biotin and GSE.

Dana

[Guest guest]

What are " motor planning issues " ? How are they different from apraxias?

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From: danasview <danasview@...>

Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 8:08:50 AM

Subject: Re: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

 

> I'm hoping that somebody has experience with using a biomedical treatment to

heal motor planning issues. I'm thinking contributing factors could be yeast,

carnitine deficiency, maybe even heavy metal toxicity. Has anything specific

worked for any of you parents of kids with motor planning issues?

Those worked here. Hit the yeast hard, that was primary. Definitely consider

chelation.

> He has low tone. I recently started supplementing him with carnitine for that.

Carnitine is good for this.

> He has lots of yeast. I was giving him s. boullardii for that, off and on.

I've just started giving him 1/3 capsule of Candizyme daily for his yeast.

Those doses and products would have done nothing for my son. He needed high

doses of biotin and GSE.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Dana. It makes sense that yeast would have a lot to do with it. After

all, it makes alcohol and hangover chemicals that constantly attack the muscles

and nerves.

I'm afraid of chelation, because he's only two years old, and his metabolism is

so fragile and sensitive. I suspect he may even have a mitochondrial disorder -

we are going to do some lab tests for that. If he's still got significant

healing to do by the time he is three years old - and I know his gut dysbiosis

has healed, so the problem must be something else - then I'll consider giving

chelation a cautious try.

Candizyme is working very well for us right now. It doesn't make him cry in his

sleep from die off - just makes him wake up very early laughing and wanting to

play - that and gives him bad gas. If I were to try GSE, though, do you know if

it would be effective if applied to the soles of the feet, like oil of oregano

often is?

> > I'm hoping that somebody has experience with using a biomedical treatment to

heal motor planning issues. I'm thinking contributing factors could be yeast,

carnitine deficiency, maybe even heavy metal toxicity. Has anything specific

worked for any of you parents of kids with motor planning issues?

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> Those worked here. Hit the yeast hard, that was primary. Definitely consider

chelation.

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> > He has low tone. I recently started supplementing him with carnitine for

that.

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> Carnitine is good for this.

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> > He has lots of yeast. I was giving him s. boullardii for that, off and on.

I've just started giving him 1/3 capsule of Candizyme daily for his yeast.

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> Those doses and products would have done nothing for my son. He needed high

doses of biotin and GSE.

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> Dana

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[Guest guest]

Wyatt's therapists see things in him like having to almost think about how he

sits down sometimes. Also, sometimes when he imitates things, there is a delay

like he has to take longer to process what he wants to do before he can do it.

They call it " motor planning " . I think it's the same thing as motor apraxia.

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> What are " motor planning issues " ? How are they different from apraxias?

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[Guest guest]

OK.I didn't think there was anything abnormal about THAT,let alone a name for

it.

 

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From: jenniferelrod83 <mistura@...>

Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 3:13:18 PM

Subject: Re: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

 

Wyatt's therapists see things in him like having to almost think about how he

sits down sometimes. Also, sometimes when he imitates things, there is a delay

like he has to take longer to process what he wants to do before he can do it.

They call it " motor planning " . I think it's the same thing as motor apraxia.

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> What are " motor planning issues " ? How are they different from apraxias?

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Hi

I am a physical therapist by profession (working mainly with the aged).

Interestingly, we see motor planning and motor apraxia as almost opposite

things. After certain strokes / brain injuries in the aged, the patient has

difficulty working out how to do a movement. For example - how to stand up

.. . .you need to bring your feet back, lean forward, then push forward and

up into standing. With the verbal input, they perform the task quite

easily, but left to their own devices, cannot work out what to do. Motor

apraxia, on the other hand, we see as the opposite. The patient knows what

they want to do but how it occurs is not right - maybe in the wrong order.

In the example above, they might try to push straight up before bringing

feet back. Verbal instructions don't necessarily help, because they already

know what to do. Clinically, both things can appear very similar.

Differentiating which is which is the challenge as the intervention required

for each is usually quite different. . . . and, of course, the client may

have both . . . .

Good luck

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> What are " motor planning issues " ? How are they different from apraxias?

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> I'm afraid of chelation, because he's only two years old, and his metabolism

is so fragile and sensitive.

I started chelating my #4 when she was 2-1/2. I used low dose ALA.

>>I suspect he may even have a mitochondrial disorder - we are going to do some

lab tests for that.

I corrected my kids' mito dysfunction, I wrote what they needed here

http://www.danasview.net/mar05.htm

> Candizyme is working very well for us right now. It doesn't make him cry in

his sleep from die off - just makes him wake up very early laughing and wanting

to play - that and gives him bad gas. If I were to try GSE, though, do you know

if it would be effective if applied to the soles of the feet, like oil of

oregano often is?

I don't know, I never used it that way.

Try giving a double dose of the Candizyme before bedtime, see if that helps.

Or, add some biotin to the dose you currently give.

Dana

[Guest guest]

how do i know if my kid has a mitochondrial disorder?

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: Re: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 10:11 AM

 

> I'm afraid of chelation, because he's only two years old, and his metabolism

is so fragile and sensitive.

I started chelating my #4 when she was 2-1/2. I used low dose ALA.

>>I suspect he may even have a mitochondrial disorder - we are going to do some

lab tests for that.

I corrected my kids' mito dysfunction, I wrote what they needed here

http://www.danasvie w.net/mar05. htm

> Candizyme is working very well for us right now. It doesn't make him cry in

his sleep from die off - just makes him wake up very early laughing and wanting

to play - that and gives him bad gas. If I were to try GSE, though, do you know

if it would be effective if applied to the soles of the feet, like oil of

oregano often is?

I don't know, I never used it that way.

Try giving a double dose of the Candizyme before bedtime, see if that helps.

Or, add some biotin to the dose you currently give.

Dana

[Guest guest]

dana,

how much GSE would you start on a 3 year old who is also taking 1 spray of oral

b12 and 800mg of folic acid. Also, her tongue looks coated always... any

thoughts about that.

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: Re: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 10:11 AM

 

> I'm afraid of chelation, because he's only two years old, and his metabolism

is so fragile and sensitive.

I started chelating my #4 when she was 2-1/2. I used low dose ALA.

>>I suspect he may even have a mitochondrial disorder - we are going to do some

lab tests for that.

I corrected my kids' mito dysfunction, I wrote what they needed here

http://www.danasvie w.net/mar05. htm

> Candizyme is working very well for us right now. It doesn't make him cry in

his sleep from die off - just makes him wake up very early laughing and wanting

to play - that and gives him bad gas. If I were to try GSE, though, do you know

if it would be effective if applied to the soles of the feet, like oil of

oregano often is?

I don't know, I never used it that way.

Try giving a double dose of the Candizyme before bedtime, see if that helps.

Or, add some biotin to the dose you currently give.

Dana

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i just took a look at mitochondrial disorders and a check list for diagnosis and

i am trying to understand based on what people think their children have

mitochondrial disorders?

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From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: Re: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 10:11 AM

 

> I'm afraid of chelation, because he's only two years old, and his metabolism

is so fragile and sensitive.

I started chelating my #4 when she was 2-1/2. I used low dose ALA.

>>I suspect he may even have a mitochondrial disorder - we are going to do some

lab tests for that.

I corrected my kids' mito dysfunction, I wrote what they needed here

http://www.danasvie w.net/mar05. htm

> Candizyme is working very well for us right now. It doesn't make him cry in

his sleep from die off - just makes him wake up very early laughing and wanting

to play - that and gives him bad gas. If I were to try GSE, though, do you know

if it would be effective if applied to the soles of the feet, like oil of

oregano often is?

I don't know, I never used it that way.

Try giving a double dose of the Candizyme before bedtime, see if that helps.

Or, add some biotin to the dose you currently give.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Any advice for 8 yo who does have both, ?

We've seen no change in planning -same issues since 1 year old, just advances

with age so as tasks are more complicated so is his struggle. Also carrying over

to Executive function skills....not much progress lots of struggles.

With apraxia he can learn tasks by repitition - only quirk is he has to start

from begining if he misses a step, instead of where his mistake was - such as

tying shoes. I'll accept that level of ability!

Thanks -Ann in MN

[Guest guest]

> how do i know if my kid has a mitochondrial disorder?

I went by observation of symptoms. For my son, he had excessive ear wax and

became very aggressive any time he ate something containing fat.

http://www.danasview.net/mar05.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

> dana,

> how much GSE would you start on a 3 year old who is also taking 1 spray of

oral b12 and 800mg of folic acid.

I started with 1 drop and worked up.

>>Also, her tongue looks coated always... any thoughts about that.

This sounds like yeast.

Dana

[Guest guest]

As I said,I have had these all of my life.I never thought them at all abnormal.

 

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From: Haks <cathy@...>

Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 5:13:06 AM

Subject: RE: Re: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

 

Hi

I am a physical therapist by profession (working mainly with the aged).

Interestingly, we see motor planning and motor apraxia as almost opposite

things. After certain strokes / brain injuries in the aged, the patient has

difficulty working out how to do a movement. For example - how to stand up

.. . .you need to bring your feet back, lean forward, then push forward and

up into standing. With the verbal input, they perform the task quite

easily, but left to their own devices, cannot work out what to do. Motor

apraxia, on the other hand, we see as the opposite. The patient knows what

they want to do but how it occurs is not right - maybe in the wrong order.

In the example above, they might try to push straight up before bringing

feet back. Verbal instructions don't necessarily help, because they already

know what to do. Clinically, both things can appear very similar.

Differentiating which is which is the challenge as the intervention required

for each is usually quite different. . . . and, of course, the client may

have both . . . .

Good luck

:-)

> What are " motor planning issues " ? How are they different from apraxias?

[Guest guest]

You may find this thread on mothering.com helpful:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=734501

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> > I'm afraid of chelation, because he's only two years old, and his metabolism

is so fragile and sensitive.

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> I started chelating my #4 when she was 2-1/2. I used low dose ALA.

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> >>I suspect he may even have a mitochondrial disorder - we are going to do

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> I corrected my kids' mito dysfunction, I wrote what they needed here

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> > Candizyme is working very well for us right now. It doesn't make him cry in

his sleep from die off - just makes him wake up very early laughing and wanting

to play - that and gives him bad gas. If I were to try GSE, though, do you know

if it would be effective if applied to the soles of the feet, like oil of

oregano often is?

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> I don't know, I never used it that way.

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> Try giving a double dose of the Candizyme before bedtime, see if that helps.

Or, add some biotin to the dose you currently give.

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> Dana

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[Guest guest]

What does the biotin do?

How does the carnitine improve the muscle tone?

Dave

> > I'm hoping that somebody has experience with using a biomedical treatment to

heal motor planning issues. I'm thinking contributing factors could be yeast,

carnitine deficiency, maybe even heavy metal toxicity. Has anything specific

worked for any of you parents of kids with motor planning issues?

>

>

> Those worked here. Hit the yeast hard, that was primary. Definitely consider

chelation.

>

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> > He has low tone. I recently started supplementing him with carnitine for

that.

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> Carnitine is good for this.

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> > He has lots of yeast. I was giving him s. boullardii for that, off and on.

I've just started giving him 1/3 capsule of Candizyme daily for his yeast.

>

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> Those doses and products would have done nothing for my son. He needed high

doses of biotin and GSE.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Any advice for 8 yo who does have both, ?

We've seen no change in planning -same issues since 1 year old, just

advances with age so as tasks are more complicated so is his struggle. Also

carrying over to Executive function skills....not much progress lots of

struggles.

With apraxia he can learn tasks by repitition - only quirk is he has to

start from begining if he misses a step, instead of where his mistake was -

such as tying shoes. I'll accept that level of ability!

Thanks -Ann in MN

Hi Anne

As a disclaimer, I've never worked with kids, so I'll be generalizing from

the aged care perspective (and with Mom experience with my own sons)

For motor planning problems, repetition is definitely the key. In advance,

you need to break down the task / movement into its constituent parts so you

know the easiest order for the task to be done in. Having a visual guide to

go by, especially that is numbered 1 2 3 etc, is great. (I used icons

from www.do2learn.com <http://www.do2learn.com/> and put them into order

for many things like toileting, bathing, washing hands, cleaning teeth,

getting dressed etc - I then laminated each of them and put them up in the

appropriate place. Visitors were always VERY surprised to go the toilet at

our house - no where else did they find a toilet with instructions!). And

it needs to be consistent, so that you do it the same way every time.

You'll need to give verbal prompts/ point to the visual prompt initially for

all/some steps, but as time goes on, you withhold the prompts and they

usually use the visual ones by themself. In the end, you can take the

visual prompts down.

For more complicated tasks - eg drop off at school and getting to classroom,

or what to do in karate class / school excursion - a social story (with

pictures) that you read together regularly beforehand and take with you on

the day is really helpful.

For motor execution problems, allowing time is the most important thing.

Asking the person to think through the task / movement first (or go through

the visual step guide) before starting is often helpful. Short verbal

prompts using " trigger " words can be used if the person gets stuck.

And of course, all the above to work best need lots of love, encouragement,

praise and patience.

Hope this helps. Good luck

:-)

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Thank you for this.... so helpful.

From: Haks <cathy@...>

Subject: RE: Re: What Helped Motor Planning Issues?

Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 7:54 AM

 

Any advice for 8 yo who does have both, ?

We've seen no change in planning -same issues since 1 year old, just

advances with age so as tasks are more complicated so is his struggle. Also

carrying over to Executive function skills....not much progress lots of

struggles.

With apraxia he can learn tasks by repitition - only quirk is he has to

start from begining if he misses a step, instead of where his mistake was -

such as tying shoes. I'll accept that level of ability!

Thanks -Ann in MN

Hi Anne

As a disclaimer, I've never worked with kids, so I'll be generalizing from

the aged care perspective (and with Mom experience with my own sons)

For motor planning problems, repetition is definitely the key. In advance,

you need to break down the task / movement into its constituent parts so you

know the easiest order for the task to be done in. Having a visual guide to

go by, especially that is numbered 1 2 3 etc, is great. (I used icons

from www.do2learn. com <http://www.do2learn .com/> and put them into order

for many things like toileting, bathing, washing hands, cleaning teeth,

getting dressed etc - I then laminated each of them and put them up in the

appropriate place. Visitors were always VERY surprised to go the toilet at

our house - no where else did they find a toilet with instructions! ). And

it needs to be consistent, so that you do it the same way every time.

You'll need to give verbal prompts/ point to the visual prompt initially for

all/some steps, but as time goes on, you withhold the prompts and they

usually use the visual ones by themself. In the end, you can take the

visual prompts down.

For more complicated tasks - eg drop off at school and getting to classroom,

or what to do in karate class / school excursion - a social story (with

pictures) that you read together regularly beforehand and take with you on

the day is really helpful.

For motor execution problems, allowing time is the most important thing.

Asking the person to think through the task / movement first (or go through

the visual step guide) before starting is often helpful. Short verbal

prompts using " trigger " words can be used if the person gets stuck.

And of course, all the above to work best need lots of love, encouragement,

praise and patience.

Hope this helps. Good luck

:-)

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