Re: Please help with rash!

[Guest guest]

Hi!

Both my NT 4 yo and ASD 5 yo broke out with similar rash a few weeks ago. No

itching, no

fever, just a little bit more tired. Only came out on torso and buttocks.

Pediatrician here in

Korea said it was chicken pox. They both had this last year with the typical

liquid filled

blemishes. These ones looked more like little mosquito bites and kept coming for

over 14

days before clearing up.

Started Houston enzymes a few weeks before breakout. Otherwise just getting

started with

GFCFEFCF, vit/min and 500mg vit C since April.

Anyone else out there with ideas of what this could be? Great if it was viral

die-off, but

why did my NT son get it also?

Ellen

>

> I know there are lots of old threads about this, but I can't go look

> right now. My NT ds broke out in a rash that is all over his torso

> (not on face or limbs). He has no fever and is not itchy or

> uncomfortable, but has less appetite and was maybe a little tired

> yesterday morning? How do I know if it's die-off or something new?

> He just doesn't seem sick, so it's hard to think it's rubella or

> measles or anything (he's not vaxed, so those viruses wouldn't be

> coming back out from that). His torso is covered with tiny bumps that

> are slightly red and some are patchy. Any ideas? Please?

>

> TIA,

> -Sierra

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I know there are lots of old threads about this, but I can't go look

> right now. My NT ds broke out in a rash that is all over his torso

> (not on face or limbs). He has no fever and is not itchy or

> uncomfortable, but has less appetite and was maybe a little tired

> yesterday morning? How do I know if it's die-off or something new?

> He just doesn't seem sick, so it's hard to think it's rubella or

> measles or anything (he's not vaxed, so those viruses wouldn't be

> coming back out from that). His torso is covered with tiny bumps that

> are slightly red and some are patchy. Any ideas? Please?

This might be a viral die off rash. What supplements are you giving

now? Has he recently had an illness? Try giving Virastop or OLE or

vitamin C, see if that helps. And watch for yeast overgrowth.

Dana

[Guest guest]

For my son it was a toxic rash from PST overload. Fixed with the help

of the document in the files section - called Sulfur and PST or

something like that.

You just have to figure out if the toxins from a metabolic cycle

that's not functioning properly, old environmental toxins he's been

hanging onto that are starting to be excreted, toxins from a recent

exposure of something new..... so many possibilities.

Take pictures. You'll want them for future reference.

Send me a private message if you want to trade pics to compare.

>

> I know there are lots of old threads about this, but I can't go look

> right now. My NT ds broke out in a rash that is all over his torso

> (not on face or limbs). He has no fever and is not itchy or

> uncomfortable, but has less appetite and was maybe a little tired

> yesterday morning? How do I know if it's die-off or something new?

> He just doesn't seem sick, so it's hard to think it's rubella or

> measles or anything (he's not vaxed, so those viruses wouldn't be

> coming back out from that). His torso is covered with tiny bumps that

> are slightly red and some are patchy. Any ideas? Please?

>

> TIA,

> -Sierra

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm... this is interesting. My daugther has a rash too. It is on

her torso. The rash she has is itchy, but not all the time, it may

get itchier if she gets sweaty or hot or upset. The rash also has a

sandpaper like texture to it. It came on suddenly and at first I

thought it was provoked by an emotional response. Now I think it

came on and was just so irritating that she got very upset. It has

been about 4 days and she still has it. I noticed it on her brother

too but his was much less severe - covered less of his body and I

didn't really notice him itching at it.

The one rash I read about that it reminded me of was Scarlet Fever -

but I don't recall a fever and noone in the house has a sore throat.

Scarlet fever is a strep A bacteria.

My other thought based on that was that introducing Culturelle may

have caused a bacterial detox reaction. Both her and her brother had

culturelle this week. She has had more of the Culturelle than her

brother which could explain why her rash was worse.

Jen K.

> >

> > I know there are lots of old threads about this, but I can't go

look

> > right now. My NT ds broke out in a rash that is all over his

torso

> > (not on face or limbs). He has no fever and is not itchy or

> > uncomfortable, but has less appetite and was maybe a little tired

> > yesterday morning? How do I know if it's die-off or something

new?

> > He just doesn't seem sick, so it's hard to think it's rubella or

> > measles or anything (he's not vaxed, so those viruses wouldn't be

> > coming back out from that). His torso is covered with tiny bumps

that

> > are slightly red and some are patchy. Any ideas? Please?

> >

> > TIA,

> > -Sierra

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> My other thought based on that was that introducing Culturelle may

> have caused a bacterial detox reaction. Both her and her brother had

> culturelle this week. She has had more of the Culturelle than her

> brother which could explain why her rash was worse.

It might be bacteria die off, or if your kids are cf, it might be that

Culturelle contains trace amounts of milk.

Dana

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for mentioning the PST document from the Files! It is very

interesting (but quite complicated). I am not sure how much I

understand, but here is what I got out of it:

If low PST enzyme activity is suspected, decrease load on PST by

eliminating bananas, chocolate and oranges, as well as all

artificial coloring and flavoring (I guess we are all already doing

that) and decrease exposure to other toxins (including those

produced by yeast and gut bugs), and also, make the PST job easier

by suplementing sulfate with epsom salts.

Does that sound right? Is there anything else that can be

supplemented to boost the PST enzyme? Do you remember what you did

that made a difference?

Thanks again!

Karin

> >

> > I know there are lots of old threads about this, but I can't go

look

> > right now. My NT ds broke out in a rash that is all over his

torso

> > (not on face or limbs). He has no fever and is not itchy or

> > uncomfortable, but has less appetite and was maybe a little tired

> > yesterday morning? How do I know if it's die-off or something

new?

> > He just doesn't seem sick, so it's hard to think it's rubella or

> > measles or anything (he's not vaxed, so those viruses wouldn't be

> > coming back out from that). His torso is covered with tiny

bumps that

> > are slightly red and some are patchy. Any ideas? Please?

> >

> > TIA,

> > -Sierra

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for your thoughts. We did do some intensive

probiotics last week, so maybe that is part. It does seem like he is

either detoxing too fast (I recently added Milk Thistle and we had

just started mB12 sublingual before that), or viral die-off. It's

funny that someone mentioned a scarlet fever rash because I thought

the same thing after looking around at pictures online, but my ds also

didn't have a fever- very interesting. My ds has had some OCD type

stuff recently, which has gone away mostly, I thought because of doing

a low-histamine diet with him. Maybe he had some PANDAS too? Or,

maybe there is some weird new disease breaking out around the country

that our kids are getting? The only signs that my son could be sick

are that he has been eating less lately and has been more tired, but

these could also be his body getting back into balance with detox,

since he used to eat like a teenage boy and be hyperactive.

The PST connection is interesting too. For a long time I thought he

was very phenol sensitive, but recently have discovered that it is

actually histamine foods that he is sensitive to (the lists of foods

are similar, but he is very sensitive to fish and a few other things

that are histamine but not phenol, and he is not sensitive to apples).

We have done lots of PST support. One thing that has been VERY

helpful has been IntestiMend by BrainChild- it offers intensive

sulfation support. I highly recommend it to have on hand in case of

accidental infraction. When we had to give my son tylenol with

codeine (I know, BAD, but he was in awful pain after dental work and

was screaming), it stopped his reaction (he was high as a kite) in 5

minutes, I KID YOU NOT!

I would love to hear how this works out with other people, since it

sounds like several of you have kids with the same rash right now.

-Sierra

>

> ,

>

> Thanks for mentioning the PST document from the Files! It is very

> interesting (but quite complicated). I am not sure how much I

> understand, but here is what I got out of it:

>

> If low PST enzyme activity is suspected, decrease load on PST by

> eliminating bananas, chocolate and oranges, as well as all

> artificial coloring and flavoring (I guess we are all already doing

> that) and decrease exposure to other toxins (including those

> produced by yeast and gut bugs), and also, make the PST job easier

> by suplementing sulfate with epsom salts.

>

> Does that sound right? Is there anything else that can be

> supplemented to boost the PST enzyme? Do you remember what you did

> that made a difference?

>

> Thanks again!

> Karin

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I only have a sec, cause I'm running out the door.

Chlorine interferes with the PST enzyme process. Filter bath/shower

and drinking water to get it out. No swimming pools! No chlorine

household cleaners! No chlorine anything! I even got unbleached toilet

paper and paper towels. I bought a chlorine filter for the back yard

hose so he can still have water-play fun (kiddie pool, sprinklers,

supersoakers etc). Chlorine is BAD - avoid it like the plague.

Molybdenum, selenium and magnesium supplements. Epson salts baths. I

think manganese sups too. No-Fenol enzymes 3x every day, even when on

low phenol diet.

Do a urinary Essential Elements test (doctors data) to check to see

what's low. You dont want to over do selenium.

When I get home tonight I'll go back though my research notes from

last year to see what else I can remember.

> > >

> > > I know there are lots of old threads about this, but I can't go

> look

> > > right now. My NT ds broke out in a rash that is all over his

> torso

> > > (not on face or limbs). He has no fever and is not itchy or

> > > uncomfortable, but has less appetite and was maybe a little tired

> > > yesterday morning? How do I know if it's die-off or something

> new?

> > > He just doesn't seem sick, so it's hard to think it's rubella or

> > > measles or anything (he's not vaxed, so those viruses wouldn't be

> > > coming back out from that). His torso is covered with tiny

> bumps that

> > > are slightly red and some are patchy. Any ideas? Please?

> > >

> > > TIA,

> > > -Sierra

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Opps - I forgot. Low sulfur diet too. My son was crushed to not get

broccoli for six months..... ;-)

After the load has been lifted and the back log clears you can slowly

start to reintroduce phenol and sulfur foods. The tolerance level

should have increased. Still keep away from artificial anything.

> > > >

> > > > I know there are lots of old threads about this, but I can't go

> > look

> > > > right now. My NT ds broke out in a rash that is all over his

> > torso

> > > > (not on face or limbs). He has no fever and is not itchy or

> > > > uncomfortable, but has less appetite and was maybe a little tired

> > > > yesterday morning? How do I know if it's die-off or something

> > new?

> > > > He just doesn't seem sick, so it's hard to think it's rubella or

> > > > measles or anything (he's not vaxed, so those viruses wouldn't be

> > > > coming back out from that). His torso is covered with tiny

> > bumps that

> > > > are slightly red and some are patchy. Any ideas? Please?

> > > >

> > > > TIA,

> > > > -Sierra

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Both my NT 4 yo and ASD 5 yo broke out with similar rash a few weeks

ago. No itching, no

> fever, just a little bit more tired. Only came out on torso and

buttocks. Pediatrician here in

> Korea said it was chicken pox.

Chicken pox is a variety of herpes virus, and lysine eliminates herpes

virus.

Dana