Re: Yogurt and OCD behavior

[Guest guest]

>

> I decided to try a new yogurt that has 2 strains of bacteria:

> L Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

>

> I felt little weird after the first one, but then after the second day of

eating this yogurt, I noticed some OCD behaviors returning. I am wondering if

the S. Thermophilus is a strep strain. If it is, could that bring on viral

behaviors? What yogurt is good to eat?

>

> paula

>

It's definitely the yogurt. I had some more of a different brand that contained

6 strains of bacteria this morning and I feel like I am going crazy. I feel

sort of paranoid, angry, and not in my own body (if that makes sense). I am

extremely uptight, but not in an anxiety like way. It's more like " an everyone

is out to get me " feeling. I really think this yogurt has me weirded out again.

I was doing so well, and now I went and messed it all up again. UGH!!!!

Is it the bacteria? Or the S. Thermophilus? This one also had l.acidophillus

in it, and I never seem to react well to that either.

Why can't there be one explination and one cure for all of this

craziness???????????

paula

[Guest guest]

Just try Plain Dannon Yogurt; Certifed by National Probiotics; DANNON;a.

>

> I decided to try a new yogurt that has 2 strains of bacteria:

> L Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

>

> I felt little weird after the first one, but then after the second day of

eating this yogurt, I noticed some OCD behaviors returning. I am wondering if

the S. Thermophilus is a strep strain. If it is, could that bring on viral

behaviors? What yogurt is good to eat?

>

> paula

>

[Guest guest]

> I decided to try a new yogurt that has 2 strains of bacteria:

> L Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

> I felt little weird after the first one, but then after the second day of

eating this yogurt, I noticed some OCD behaviors returning. I am wondering if

the S. Thermophilus is a strep strain.

Yes

>>If it is, could that bring on viral behaviors?

Strep is a bacteria, not a virus. However, people who are strep carriers or

otherwise have issues with strep, will many times react to " good " strep strains

as well as " bad " strep strains. Avoid that yoghurt.

I used OLE to eliminate strep here.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Is there a list somewhere that states which probiotic strains are strep

strains?

Ormonde, L.Ac.

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:07 AM, danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

>

> > I decided to try a new yogurt that has 2 strains of bacteria:

> > L Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

> > I felt little weird after the first one, but then after the second day of

> eating this yogurt, I noticed some OCD behaviors returning. I am wondering

> if the S. Thermophilus is a strep strain.

>

> Yes

>

> >>If it is, could that bring on viral behaviors?

>

> Strep is a bacteria, not a virus. However, people who are strep carriers or

> otherwise have issues with strep, will many times react to " good " strep

> strains as well as " bad " strep strains. Avoid that yoghurt.

>

> I used OLE to eliminate strep here.

>

> Dana

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This still contains S. Thermophilus. I contacted Dannon a few months ago

about it. My son loved their plain and vanilla and they told me all of their

yogurts, even the drinkable kids ones contain s. thermophilus even if it's not

listed in the ingredients. It's included in the " other active cultures " part of

the ingredients.

Kerrie

In a message dated 3/7/2009 8:34:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

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My son and I have the same problem with yogurt, so two things-

-All yogurt is high in histamines, and what you are describing (feeling out of

your body and like everyone is out to get you) is a dead-on histamine reaction.

-The good version of many bacteria are what keep the bad version in check, so

" good " strep is very good at killing " bad " strep. I think this may be why some

people who are strep carriers respond this way to the " good " strep strains- they

are having a die-off reaction.

These two issues are closely related, as some bad bacteria in the digestive

tract produce histamine, and some good bacteria absorb and/or neutralize it. If

you have gut dysbiosis, which could easily include an overgrowth of bad strep,

then this could cause the histamine sensitivity.

In the short term you can take SAM-e to help flush the histamine out of your

body. Methylation support can also help. For us, a low-histamine diet really

helped (e-mail me if you want more info about it, it's also in s'

new book Nourishing Hope for Autism). What we really needed though was to go on

the SCD to stop feeding the bad bacteria and get our dysbiosis under control (we

actually do the GAPS version of the diet).

Hope that helps,

-Sierra

> >

> > I decided to try a new yogurt that has 2 strains of bacteria:

> > L Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

> >

> > I felt little weird after the first one, but then after the second day of

eating this yogurt, I noticed some OCD behaviors returning. I am wondering if

the S. Thermophilus is a strep strain. If it is, could that bring on viral

behaviors? What yogurt is good to eat?

> >

> > paula

[Guest guest]

You can make homemade yogurt without the strep strain.

 

Dana

From: ratlenhum@... <ratlenhum@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Yogurt and OCD behavior

Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 3:53 PM

S. Thermophilus is streptococcal thermophilus and it pushes my PANDAS kid

over the edge!!!!

If you have a strep sensitive kid stay away from yogurt

Kerrie

In a message dated 3/7/2009 3:02:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

sierra.ansley@ gmail.com writes:

> > I decided to try a new yogurt that has 2 strains of bacteria:

> > L Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

> >

> > I felt little weird after the first one, but then after the second day

of eating this yogurt, I noticed some OCD behaviors returning. I am

wondering if the S. Thermophilus is a strep strain. If it is, could that bring

on

viral behaviors? What yogurt is good to eat?

> >

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>

> You can make homemade yogurt without the strep strain.

>  

> Dana

That is so funny that you mentioned the homemade yogurt because I just bought a

yogurt maker in hopes of making my own. I have not received it in the mail yet,

so I thought I would try the greek yogurt. I thought the greek yogurt was more

like the SCD yogurt, and I didn't even think about the S. thermophilus. I am

thinking about it now that I am suffering the consequences. Thank God my

husband is an angel, or we would be divorced by now. He always seems to know

when I have eaten something that weirds me out, and he is usually patient with

me. He has seen how certain foods and medications can transform me into a

totally different person.

I will avoid that yogurt and all others until my yogurt maker comes in. Would

someone be able to give me advice on how to make a SAFE yogurt without strains

of bacteria that freak my system out????

thank you,

paula

[Guest guest]

Excuse me. I looked at my yogurt starter and it does contain a strep strain. 

Sorry.

 

Dana

From: ratlenhumaol (DOT) com <ratlenhumaol (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: Yogurt and OCD behavior

Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 3:53 PM

S. Thermophilus is streptococcal thermophilus and it pushes my PANDAS kid

over the edge!!!!

If you have a strep sensitive kid stay away from yogurt

Kerrie

In a message dated 3/7/2009 3:02:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

sierra.ansley@ gmail.com writes:

> > I decided to try a new yogurt that has 2 strains of bacteria:

> > L Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

> >

> > I felt little weird after the first one, but then after the second day

of eating this yogurt, I noticed some OCD behaviors returning. I am

wondering if the S. Thermophilus is a strep strain. If it is, could that bring

on

viral behaviors? What yogurt is good to eat?

> >

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[Guest guest]

>

> Is there a list somewhere that states which probiotic strains are strep

> strains?

>

> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

I would love it if someone posted a list of the good bacteria that doesn't

seem to cause reactions in sensitive people.

paula

[Guest guest]

> Strep is a bacteria, not a virus. However, people who are strep carriers or

otherwise have issues with strep, will many times react to " good " strep strains

as well as " bad " strep strains. Avoid that yoghurt.

>

> I used OLE to eliminate strep here.

>

> Dana

>

Dana,

I think I really messed thing up by eating that yogurt. My throat is so sore,

and I can hardly swallow. It feels as if it is closing up on me. If I go to

the doctor, i know she will want to put me on antibiotics. I used to get severe

tonsilitis as a child, and this feels worse than that. Now I don't even have

tonsils to bear the brunt of this attack. I gargled with GSE, but it made

everything worse. I think I am going to take OLE. Will that help the sore

throat?

paula

[Guest guest]

> Dana,

> I think I really messed thing up by eating that yogurt. My throat is so sore,

and I can hardly swallow. It feels as if it is closing up on me. If I go to

the doctor, i know she will want to put me on antibiotics. I used to get severe

tonsilitis as a child, and this feels worse than that. Now I don't even have

tonsils to bear the brunt of this attack. I gargled with GSE, but it made

everything worse. I think I am going to take OLE. Will that help the sore

throat?

It did at my house. My #4 had classic strep throat, and 3 rounds of Zithromax

did nothing, it would just come back 2-3 weeks after the round. So the fourth

time, I did not take her to the ped, I just gave her OLE, and that eliminated

the strep throat for good.

If you also have viruses in your body, the OLE will work on those also, and

viral die off does tend to cause a lot of yeast, so keep the GSE handy in case

you encounter that problem also.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> I decided to try a new yogurt that has 2 strains of bacteria:

> L Bulgaricus, S. Thermophilus

>

> I felt little weird after the first one, but then after the second day of

eating this yogurt, I noticed some OCD behaviors returning. I am wondering if

the S. Thermophilus is a strep strain. If it is, could that bring on viral

behaviors? What yogurt is good to eat?

Hi a,

Unfortunately all yogurt contains streptococcus thermophilus and lactobaccilus

bulgaricus--those two strains or cultures are necessary for it to be called

yogurt. Some manufacturers add acidophilus, bifidus strains and caseii strains

too.

SCD yogurt is made with streptococcus thermophilus and lactobaccilus bulgaricus;

acidophilus is allowed but not necessary. Other strains are not allowed.

If it is the bacteria that is upsetting you, then you might be better off with

other probiotic foods. Kefir (milk cultured with bacterial strains) should also

be avoided as it contains A. thermophilus.

However it could also be that it's the other ingredients in the commercial

yogurt--most have added milk solids which means there will be lactose. And

commercial yogurts are (almost?) never cultured for long enough to get rid of

all the lactose, even if there are no added milk solids. Low fat milks (nad

yogurts made from them), often contain preservatives that cause reactions, see

http://www.enzymestuff.com/discussiondairy.htm

So making your own SCD-style yogurt might be OK for you.

Also, someone esle mentioned die-off and that's a possibility. Often new members

on the SCD discussion group I belong to talk about reacting to SCD-yogurt early

on in the diet. (Many;/most members have Chrohns, IBD ulcerative colitis etc.,

so pretty serious gut issues). They find they have to wait a little while for

some gut healing to occur before they can tolerate any yogurt.

's latest book (Go with your Gut) has a good chapter on probiotics.

Best wishes,

Jen

Mum to DS9: SPD, ADHD?, undermethylator, food intolerances

DD6: pyroluria, candida

[Guest guest]

> So making your own SCD-style yogurt might be OK for you.

>

> Also, someone esle mentioned die-off and that's a possibility. Often new

members on the SCD discussion group I belong to talk about reacting to

SCD-yogurt early on in the diet. (Many;/most members have Chrohns, IBD

ulcerative colitis etc., so pretty serious gut issues). They find they have to

wait a little while for some gut healing to occur before they can tolerate any

yogurt.

>

> 's latest book (Go with your Gut) has a good chapter on probiotics.

>

> Best wishes,

> Jen

> Mum to DS9: SPD, ADHD?, undermethylator, food intolerances

> DD6: pyroluria, candida

>

Jen,

I have been looking into the kefir, and the possibility of making my own yogurt

with only Lactobacillus. I think I would be able to handle the yogurt if it

were homemade.

paula

[Guest guest]

> I have been looking into the kefir, and the possibility of making my own

yogurt with only Lactobacillus. I think I would be able to handle the yogurt if

it were homemade.

Hi a,

I have really enjoyed kefir and it's easy to make

I hope you have great success with your yogurt and I'm very interested to hear

how you go and what works for you

Cheers,

Jen