Re: Re: Supplements and Heart Beat - HELP NEEDED

[Guest guest]

Sierra that is VERY helpful, this morning his pulse was very rapid but not

skipping, this afternoon it is skipping, this was after GSE. I haven't felt

I've seen much change/die-off with the yeast even with all we are doing,

maybe I will try switching, have you tried OLE or any of the other yeast

fighters? Have they affected your heartbeat?

There is copper in the cal/mag, I will look at this if the GSE doesn't solve

the issue, I would think with all the magnesium he needs that I should have

at least some Calcium but I could change brands too.

I have thought about Mitochondrial issues, he does have

balance/coordination/proprioception issues and is quite short for his age

(healthy weight though), but he doesn't seem to have issues with fat intake?

Thank you so much for giving me a place to start!!! I don't have a DAN,

can't afford a DAN doc and am an alt health practitioner so I am trying to

do this on my own, but life is ridiculous and Im feeling overwhelmed.

I appreciate the input!

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM, purpledragonmama05 <sierra.ansley@...

> wrote:

> I've recently had some issues with irregular heartbeat myself (am mom

> to a spectrum child and share many of the underlying biomedical

> problems that he has). Here are a few thoughts based on my

> experience, which I am still trying to figure out.

>

> For me, this issue seems to have something to do with die-off, I

> notice you are giving lots of yeast fighters, maybe giving too much

> too fast? Also, GSE is something I react badly too (get racing

> heartbeat) so I need to use other anti-fungals. Not sure if this is

> about phenols but don't think so.

>

> Just read on NASA site that a link has been found between pollen count

> and cardiovascular events same as with pulmonary events. I think

> allergies are a big part of this for me also. Histamine can cause

> heart issues, so this makes sense to me. Copper can elevate histamine

> levels. I would only give copper if you have bloodwork showing that

> your son needs it, otherwise it can cause problems. Electrolytes seem

> to be a factor in both allergies and other histamine issues, and

> someone else mentioned some of the supps you listed can affect this.

> I thought calcium helped this, but could be wrong? Oh, berries cause

> MAJOR histamine release, so maybe switch to another kind of fish oil?

>

> Mito cocktail as described on Dana's view site really helped my heart

> issues. Maybe some aspect of your son's progress is taxing his

> mitochondria (such as improved detoxing, etc). Carnitine and CoQ10

> are important for heart function, could these be getting used by

> something else or be being blocked? I see you just added carnitine,

> maybe that will help. Some of what mB12 does is up glutathione

> levels, so your son would be detoxing more right now. I'd still talk

> to the DAN! or whomever about this.

>

> -Sierra

>

>

> >

> > Sorry for the cross post but I really need to find someone who might

> know

> > this information.

> >

> > History:

> >

> > 7yo son w/ Autism, diagnosed with mild heart murmer at birth, had him

> > checked by a pediatric cardiologist 1-2 years ago (can't remember exact

> > date), still had murmer but was given the green light for sport

> activities.

> > Seen regular doc for regular visits, and most recently saw a

> Developmental

> > Ped in October 08. No mention ever given of an irregular/irregular

> > heartbeat. I called cardiologist to double check, nothing in the

> records, I

> > will call newest ped later to check with her.

> >

> > I am considering treating with Chinese Medicine and took his pulse,

> when I

> > found an irregular heartbeat. If this had always been there I

> wouldn't be

> > concerned but apparantly it hasn't. Part of me realizes his pulse fits

> > perfectly with his diagnosis in Chinese Medicine so that is keeping me

> > somewhat calm, but we recently started alot of BioMed and I am concerned

> > that it could be a supplement. I'd like to see if anyone has any

> thoughts

> > on the following supplements being a factor?

> >

> > Supplements

> > Houston Enzymes - TriEnza, NoFenol (have done these enzymes

> previously even

> > before Cardiologist appt)

> > Nordic Naturals - Nordic Berries, DHA Junior 8 gels, CLO 2 tsp

> (alternate

> > CLO/DHA daily)

> > Biotin 10,000 - 20,000 mcg daily

> > Kirkland Calcium citrate 250mg/Mag 40mg (also has Vit D, B6, Zinc,

> Copper,

> > Manganese)

> > Natural Calm Magnesium 300mg

> > mb12 1000mcg, folinic acid 400mcg, acetyl l carnitine 250mg (has

> only had

> > two doses of these starting four days ago)

> > GSE - 3 drops

> > Renew Life & Culturelle Probiotic

> > BComplex

> >

> > We are seeing terrific gains, getting close to recovery so I am

> very, very

> > surprised to see his pulse like this. I will write to the TCM group

> > separately about his TCM stuff as I was going to do this anyway, but

> needed

> > some immediate help with what might be going on, I don't want to be

> putting

> > my son in danger. And really I am not a sensationalist, if anything

> I under

> > react - just to give perspective, lol.

> >

> > --

> > Ormonde, L.Ac.

> >

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupuncture.com/>

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

one other thought on the irreg. heartbeats.. i just recently had quite a few

for a few days and have an idea of why.. a combo of chocolate (which a new born

wouldn't have...) and also sugar. I rarely eat sugar (although I eat a fair

amount of carbs..) but sugar puts my own candida OOC... so i do know they can

come and go w/ diet..including what you were eating if you were breastfeeding a

newborn. (and sugars in the formula..) but the 'cause' can be a lot of things.

Amy

Homeschool and Life Blog

Art, Music and Nature Blog

Healthy Home Blog

________________________________

From: purpledragonmama05 <sierra.ansley@...>

Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:09:28 PM

Subject: Re: Supplements and Heart Beat - HELP NEEDED

I've recently had some issues with irregular heartbeat myself (am mom

to a spectrum child and share many of the underlying biomedical

problems that he has). Here are a few thoughts based on my

experience, which I am still trying to figure out.

For me, this issue seems to have something to do with die-off, I

notice you are giving lots of yeast fighters, maybe giving too much

too fast? Also, GSE is something I react badly too (get racing

heartbeat) so I need to use other anti-fungals. Not sure if this is

about phenols but don't think so.

Just read on NASA site that a link has been found between pollen count

and cardiovascular events same as with pulmonary events. I think

allergies are a big part of this for me also. Histamine can cause

heart issues, so this makes sense to me. Copper can elevate histamine

levels. I would only give copper if you have bloodwork showing that

your son needs it, otherwise it can cause problems. Electrolytes seem

to be a factor in both allergies and other histamine issues, and

someone else mentioned some of the supps you listed can affect this.

I thought calcium helped this, but could be wrong? Oh, berries cause

MAJOR histamine release, so maybe switch to another kind of fish oil?

Mito cocktail as described on Dana's view site really helped my heart

issues. Maybe some aspect of your son's progress is taxing his

mitochondria (such as improved detoxing, etc). Carnitine and CoQ10

are important for heart function, could these be getting used by

something else or be being blocked? I see you just added carnitine,

maybe that will help. Some of what mB12 does is up glutathione

levels, so your son would be detoxing more right now. I'd still talk

to the DAN! or whomever about this.

-Sierra

>

> Sorry for the cross post but I really need to find someone who might

know

> this information.

>

> History:

>

> 7yo son w/ Autism, diagnosed with mild heart murmer at birth, had him

> checked by a pediatric cardiologist 1-2 years ago (can't remember exact

> date), still had murmer but was given the green light for sport

activities.

> Seen regular doc for regular visits, and most recently saw a

Developmental

> Ped in October 08. No mention ever given of an irregular/irregular

> heartbeat. I called cardiologist to double check, nothing in the

records, I

> will call newest ped later to check with her.

>

> I am considering treating with Chinese Medicine and took his pulse,

when I

> found an irregular heartbeat. If this had always been there I

wouldn't be

> concerned but apparantly it hasn't. Part of me realizes his pulse fits

> perfectly with his diagnosis in Chinese Medicine so that is keeping me

> somewhat calm, but we recently started alot of BioMed and I am concerned

> that it could be a supplement. I'd like to see if anyone has any

thoughts

> on the following supplements being a factor?

>

> Supplements

> Houston Enzymes - TriEnza, NoFenol (have done these enzymes

previously even

> before Cardiologist appt)

> Nordic Naturals - Nordic Berries, DHA Junior 8 gels, CLO 2 tsp

(alternate

> CLO/DHA daily)

> Biotin 10,000 - 20,000 mcg daily

> Kirkland Calcium citrate 250mg/Mag 40mg (also has Vit D, B6, Zinc,

Copper,

> Manganese)

> Natural Calm Magnesium 300mg

> mb12 1000mcg, folinic acid 400mcg, acetyl l carnitine 250mg (has

only had

> two doses of these starting four days ago)

> GSE - 3 drops

> Renew Life & Culturelle Probiotic

> BComplex

>

> We are seeing terrific gains, getting close to recovery so I am

very, very

> surprised to see his pulse like this. I will write to the TCM group

> separately about his TCM stuff as I was going to do this anyway, but

needed

> some immediate help with what might be going on, I don't want to be

putting

> my son in danger. And really I am not a sensationalist, if anything

I under

> react - just to give perspective, lol.

>

> --

> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture. com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay (thanks for brainstorming with me) We made a chocolate cake a few weeks

back for a birthday and I noticed that night he was way hyper but it was a

party and he had lots of foods, so I put in the back of my head, I really

should test chocolate some time. He does have balance/coord/proprioceptive

issues, in fact this is one of our three major issues we are still working

on. He does have excess ear wax and chicken bumps, dry coarse hair, which

we thought would just be a lack of EFA's, but maybe it is both a previous

lack of + poor obsorption??? We've been supplementing CLO since Sept I

think after a year off or so.

Sooo, if I gave Betaine HCL (which we have but haven't started), added the

mito cocktail, and switched from GSE to something else (what would be the

next best antifungal option???) or maybe we don't need to switch the GSE, I

am a bit confused on this. I don't see anything that suggest GSE causes

irreg hb at least on google. Maybe add coQ10 (actually that might be part

of the cocktail, I will check).

Im seriously thinking about taking some courses in biomed, jeesh

~J

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:01 PM, purpledragonmama05 <sierra.ansley@...

> wrote:

> A couple more thoughts- I read last night in the interpretation

> section of my OAT from Great Plains that oxalates are known to cause

> " heart abnormalities " . They also say that it is believed (but not

> known for sure) that candida give off oxalates, they say that mold

> (specifically mention Aspergillus) is known to give off oxalates. My

> DAN! has said that oxalates and yeast seem to go hand-in-hand for most

> people. They also say that if there is bile salt deficiency that this

> can cause poor fatty acid digestion and this cna elevate oxalate levels.

>

> Someone said this happened after eating chocolate, which is very high

> in oxalates. It is also very high in hisramine. Having problems with

> balance/ccordination/proprioception are also big histamine things.

> Interestingly, anti-vertigo medication is anti-histamine (as are

> anti-anxiety drugs like Paxil and Xanax, that's how they work). So he

> doesn't have sings of poor fatty acid absorption like lots of ear wax,

> " chicken skin " bumps " on his upper arms (I forget the other signs)?

> If he has allergies, has anxiety, emotional volatility, they could

> point towards a histamine problem. However, I'm suspecting now that

> the histamine problem comes back to gut dysbiosis so we're back at the

> yeast issue. Gotta love all this, don't you

>

> We just did some colloidal silver, which was VERY powerful stuff for

> us and caused serious die-off, and for me did seem to cause the

> heartbeat issues again. Other anti-fungals haven't, including

> caprylic acid, Threelac, and Kirkman's Yeast Aid (which has OOO and

> OLE I think).

>

> HTH,

>

> -SIerra

>

>

> >

> > one other thought on the irreg. heartbeats.. i just recently had

> quite a few for a few days and have an idea of why.. a combo of

> chocolate (which a new born wouldn't have...) and also sugar. I

> rarely eat sugar (although I eat a fair amount of carbs..) but sugar

> puts my own candida OOC... so i do know they can come and go w/

> diet..including what you were eating if you were breastfeeding a

> newborn. (and sugars in the formula..) but the 'cause' can be a lot

> of things.

> >

> > Amy

> > Homeschool and Life Blog

> > Art, Music and Nature Blog

> > Healthy Home Blog

>

>

>

--

Ormonde, L.Ac.

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

Update:

I took his pulse when he got home from school and it was skipping but every

20-30 beats, I gave him 3 drops GSE, 1 Trienza, 1 NoFenol. I checked an

hour post and his heart was skipping every 7-9 beats, HUGE difference! I

think I am going to switch the GSE to something else and see if his pulse

regulates.

My theory (at this point, lol) the GSE is making it irreg, it starts to

regulate and then I give GSE and it gets worse again.

So whats the next best natural antifungal in line to switch to???

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Ormonde <cariadanam@...> wrote:

> Okay (thanks for brainstorming with me) We made a chocolate cake a few

> weeks back for a birthday and I noticed that night he was way hyper but it

> was a party and he had lots of foods, so I put in the back of my head, I

> really should test chocolate some time. He does have

> balance/coord/proprioceptive issues, in fact this is one of our three major

> issues we are still working on. He does have excess ear wax and chicken

> bumps, dry coarse hair, which we thought would just be a lack of EFA's, but

> maybe it is both a previous lack of + poor obsorption??? We've been

> supplementing CLO since Sept I think after a year off or so.

>

> Sooo, if I gave Betaine HCL (which we have but haven't started), added the

> mito cocktail, and switched from GSE to something else (what would be the

> next best antifungal option???) or maybe we don't need to switch the GSE, I

> am a bit confused on this. I don't see anything that suggest GSE causes

> irreg hb at least on google. Maybe add coQ10 (actually that might be part

> of the cocktail, I will check).

>

> Im seriously thinking about taking some courses in biomed, jeesh

> ~J

>

> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:01 PM, purpledragonmama05 <

> sierra.ansley@...> wrote:

>

>> A couple more thoughts- I read last night in the interpretation

>> section of my OAT from Great Plains that oxalates are known to cause

>> " heart abnormalities " . They also say that it is believed (but not

>> known for sure) that candida give off oxalates, they say that mold

>> (specifically mention Aspergillus) is known to give off oxalates. My

>> DAN! has said that oxalates and yeast seem to go hand-in-hand for most

>> people. They also say that if there is bile salt deficiency that this

>> can cause poor fatty acid digestion and this cna elevate oxalate levels.

>>

>> Someone said this happened after eating chocolate, which is very high

>> in oxalates. It is also very high in hisramine. Having problems with

>> balance/ccordination/proprioception are also big histamine things.

>> Interestingly, anti-vertigo medication is anti-histamine (as are

>> anti-anxiety drugs like Paxil and Xanax, that's how they work). So he

>> doesn't have sings of poor fatty acid absorption like lots of ear wax,

>> " chicken skin " bumps " on his upper arms (I forget the other signs)?

>> If he has allergies, has anxiety, emotional volatility, they could

>> point towards a histamine problem. However, I'm suspecting now that

>> the histamine problem comes back to gut dysbiosis so we're back at the

>> yeast issue. Gotta love all this, don't you

>>

>> We just did some colloidal silver, which was VERY powerful stuff for

>> us and caused serious die-off, and for me did seem to cause the

>> heartbeat issues again. Other anti-fungals haven't, including

>> caprylic acid, Threelac, and Kirkman's Yeast Aid (which has OOO and

>> OLE I think).

>>

>> HTH,

>>

>> -SIerra

>>

>>

>> >

>> > one other thought on the irreg. heartbeats.. i just recently had

>> quite a few for a few days and have an idea of why.. a combo of

>> chocolate (which a new born wouldn't have...) and also sugar. I

>> rarely eat sugar (although I eat a fair amount of carbs..) but sugar

>> puts my own candida OOC... so i do know they can come and go w/

>> diet..including what you were eating if you were breastfeeding a

>> newborn. (and sugars in the formula..) but the 'cause' can be a lot

>> of things.

>> >

>> > Amy

>> > Homeschool and Life Blog

>> > Art, Music and Nature Blog

>> > Healthy Home Blog

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

> --

> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com<http://www.auburncommunityacupuncture.com/>

>

>

--

Ormonde, L.Ac.

www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

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I have been thinking this to, that with the die-off producing toxins that

get in the blood through the leaky gut plus viral issues increasing that it

would be a tremendous strain on the body, perhaps both therapies should

always be in conjunction with each other? I started yeast treatments in

prep for viral, but maybe there really is a delicate balance.

His hb feels great today so I am going to stick with just probiotics and

biotin for a day or two until we start his viral therapy (using Virastop)

then maybe I will try OoO or garlic or something, the Brainchild

Nutritionals rotational treatment looks interesting as well

http://www.brainchildnutritionals.com/PDF/Candida.pdf

Have you tried other antifungals besides GSE & Silver?

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:07 PM, purpledragonmama05 <sierra.ansley@...

> wrote:

> I also heard that research was presented at the recent DAN! conference

> that yeast actually protects us from some toxins, including mercury

> and other metals, and it releases those toxins when it dies, so maybe

> fast die-off releases these toxins faster than the body can cope with

> it? Someone else just posted about using enzymes to support detox

> when killing yeast, I think I will try that. Have you tried cutting

> back on the GSE to see if that helps?

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