Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Could be bacterial! My daughter had this most of the summer.She was on Septra for a stagh infection and had pefect bowel movements after that!!! > > My 11 yr old started taking HNI AFP-Peptizyde on Oct 21. We gradually increased until Nov 3rd when he was up to one capsule before each meal. During that time, he seemed to be doing well with them. So, on Nov 5, I added HNI Zyme Prime at evening meal only. Today, he had AFP-Pep w/ breakfast and lunch and then both at dinner. > > He's had some strange BM changes yesterday and today. Yesterday, we noticed " yeasty " BM. (airy, fluffy, spongecake-like as described on danasview.net). Throughout the day, he also had ALOT of loud, " rotten-egg " smelling gas. Today, he's had less gas, but two incidents of diarrhea and one accident (involuntary when passing gas and it was very watery, almost no solids). > > I'm wondering if this is just adjustment to the enzymes? Did I add ZP too quickly? Is this all a yeast issue? > > What should I do now to help him avoid accidents tomorrow? > > Sorry about all the description above, but I know he has major digestive issues and BMs explain alot. If, you know what to look for, which at this point, I don't yet. This is all new to me. We've been CF since mid Sept and GF since Oct 4. > > He's had sensory issues since toddlerhood, has ADHD symptoms and anxiety, and for months now, has complained about his stomach hurting after most meals. > > Thanks for your help! > in StL > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 > My 11 yr old started taking HNI AFP-Peptizyde on Oct 21. We gradually increased until Nov 3rd when he was up to one capsule before each meal. During that time, he seemed to be doing well with them. So, on Nov 5, I added HNI Zyme Prime at evening meal only. Today, he had AFP-Pep w/ breakfast and lunch and then both at dinner. You might try the Zyme Prime without papain and bromelain. Not the HN one. > He's had some strange BM changes yesterday and today. Yesterday, we noticed " yeasty " BM. (airy, fluffy, spongecake-like as described on danasview.net). Throughout the day, he also had ALOT of loud, " rotten-egg " smelling gas. Today, he's had less gas, but two incidents of diarrhea and one accident (involuntary when passing gas and it was very watery, almost no solids). > I'm wondering if this is just adjustment to the enzymes? Did I add ZP too quickly? Is this all a yeast issue? Try increasing the yeast protocol, see if that helps. Or, drop the ZP and order the one without papain/bromelain. > He's had sensory issues since toddlerhood, has ADHD symptoms and anxiety, and for months now, has complained about his stomach hurting after most meals. This meant yeast at my house. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 The ones he took are the ones without papain and bromelain. Sorry for the confusion, I put HNI in the description to indicate the brand.  I think we may try the TriEnza chewables since he's not able to swallow capsules anyway. We'll start from scratch and build up to the full dosage on that and see how it goes.  Thanks!  From: danasview <danasview@...> Subject: Re: Adjusting to Enzymes Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:03 AM  > My 11 yr old started taking HNI AFP-Peptizyde on Oct 21. We gradually increased until Nov 3rd when he was up to one capsule before each meal. During that time, he seemed to be doing well with them. So, on Nov 5, I added HNI Zyme Prime at evening meal only. Today, he had AFP-Pep w/ breakfast and lunch and then both at dinner. You might try the Zyme Prime without papain and bromelain. Not the HN one. > He's had some strange BM changes yesterday and today. Yesterday, we noticed " yeasty " BM. (airy, fluffy, spongecake-like as described on danasview.net) . Throughout the day, he also had ALOT of loud, " rotten-egg " smelling gas. Today, he's had less gas, but two incidents of diarrhea and one accident (involuntary when passing gas and it was very watery, almost no solids). > I'm wondering if this is just adjustment to the enzymes? Did I add ZP too quickly? Is this all a yeast issue? Try increasing the yeast protocol, see if that helps. Or, drop the ZP and order the one without papain/bromelain. > He's had sensory issues since toddlerhood, has ADHD symptoms and anxiety, and for months now, has complained about his stomach hurting after most meals. This meant yeast at my house. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but it is our experience that it is possible to develop a sensitivity to Trienza and No Fenol and other enzymes from Houston Labs. The reaction involved excessive gas, diarrhea, sleep disturbance and depression and developed after about 12 days of the low and slow method. It was confirmed by a sublingual pulse test (pulse went up 30 beats per minute after having a little of the enzyme in the mouth for a minute). When the Enzymedica enzymes, such as Digest Basic and Gastro were tested sublingually on the same day, there was no reaction and they were subsequently used and tolerated. I'm wondering if Enzymedica's product is more highly purified and this is the explanation? Anyone have any thoughts on this? Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 My son was not able to tolerate Houston Enzymes because of the flavoring, fruit issues. This was the chewables. We have had no issues with Enzymedica but haven't tried Houston Capsules. Tammy Re: Adjusting to Enzymes I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but it is our experience that it is possible to develop a sensitivity to Trienza and No Fenol and other enzymes from Houston Labs. The reaction involved excessive gas, diarrhea, sleep disturbance and depression and developed after about 12 days of the low and slow method. It was confirmed by a sublingual pulse test (pulse went up 30 beats per minute after having a little of the enzyme in the mouth for a minute). When the Enzymedica enzymes, such as Digest Basic and Gastro were tested sublingually on the same day, there was no reaction and they were subsequently used and tolerated. I'm wondering if Enzymedica's product is more highly purified and this is the explanation? Anyone have any thoughts on this? Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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