Re: Supplements and Heart Beat - HELP NEEDED

[Guest guest]

I've recently had some issues with irregular heartbeat myself (am mom

to a spectrum child and share many of the underlying biomedical

problems that he has). Here are a few thoughts based on my

experience, which I am still trying to figure out.

For me, this issue seems to have something to do with die-off, I

notice you are giving lots of yeast fighters, maybe giving too much

too fast? Also, GSE is something I react badly too (get racing

heartbeat) so I need to use other anti-fungals. Not sure if this is

about phenols but don't think so.

Just read on NASA site that a link has been found between pollen count

and cardiovascular events same as with pulmonary events. I think

allergies are a big part of this for me also. Histamine can cause

heart issues, so this makes sense to me. Copper can elevate histamine

levels. I would only give copper if you have bloodwork showing that

your son needs it, otherwise it can cause problems. Electrolytes seem

to be a factor in both allergies and other histamine issues, and

someone else mentioned some of the supps you listed can affect this.

I thought calcium helped this, but could be wrong? Oh, berries cause

MAJOR histamine release, so maybe switch to another kind of fish oil?

Mito cocktail as described on Dana's view site really helped my heart

issues. Maybe some aspect of your son's progress is taxing his

mitochondria (such as improved detoxing, etc). Carnitine and CoQ10

are important for heart function, could these be getting used by

something else or be being blocked? I see you just added carnitine,

maybe that will help. Some of what mB12 does is up glutathione

levels, so your son would be detoxing more right now. I'd still talk

to the DAN! or whomever about this.

-Sierra

>

> Sorry for the cross post but I really need to find someone who might

know

> this information.

>

> History:

>

> 7yo son w/ Autism, diagnosed with mild heart murmer at birth, had him

> checked by a pediatric cardiologist 1-2 years ago (can't remember exact

> date), still had murmer but was given the green light for sport

activities.

> Seen regular doc for regular visits, and most recently saw a

Developmental

> Ped in October 08. No mention ever given of an irregular/irregular

> heartbeat. I called cardiologist to double check, nothing in the

records, I

> will call newest ped later to check with her.

>

> I am considering treating with Chinese Medicine and took his pulse,

when I

> found an irregular heartbeat. If this had always been there I

wouldn't be

> concerned but apparantly it hasn't. Part of me realizes his pulse fits

> perfectly with his diagnosis in Chinese Medicine so that is keeping me

> somewhat calm, but we recently started alot of BioMed and I am concerned

> that it could be a supplement. I'd like to see if anyone has any

thoughts

> on the following supplements being a factor?

>

> Supplements

> Houston Enzymes - TriEnza, NoFenol (have done these enzymes

previously even

> before Cardiologist appt)

> Nordic Naturals - Nordic Berries, DHA Junior 8 gels, CLO 2 tsp

(alternate

> CLO/DHA daily)

> Biotin 10,000 - 20,000 mcg daily

> Kirkland Calcium citrate 250mg/Mag 40mg (also has Vit D, B6, Zinc,

Copper,

> Manganese)

> Natural Calm Magnesium 300mg

> mb12 1000mcg, folinic acid 400mcg, acetyl l carnitine 250mg (has

only had

> two doses of these starting four days ago)

> GSE - 3 drops

> Renew Life & Culturelle Probiotic

> BComplex

>

> We are seeing terrific gains, getting close to recovery so I am

very, very

> surprised to see his pulse like this. I will write to the TCM group

> separately about his TCM stuff as I was going to do this anyway, but

needed

> some immediate help with what might be going on, I don't want to be

putting

> my son in danger. And really I am not a sensationalist, if anything

I under

> react - just to give perspective, lol.

>

> --

> Ormonde, L.Ac.

> www.AuburnCommunityAcupuncture.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

you could always double check w/ the irregular heartbeat again w/ a

cardiologist? or did you do that? i have my own issues (and an 8 yo w/

autisticishness) but I have a heart problem..including irregular heartbeats..

and gut issues. I do KNOW that various things can set off an irregular

heartbeat and they can come and go- so i personally would double check w/ a

card. before doing stuff. My own card. is 'regular medicine' but has never been

against the basics that i've done for treatment. (although they question the

validity...not the safety.) jmo... the irreg. heartbeats can be 'nothing' and

they can be significant depending on the type they are.

Amy

Homeschool and Life Blog

Art, Music and Nature Blog

Healthy Home Blog

________________________________

From: Ormonde <cariadanam@...>

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abmd ; Traditional_Chinese_Medicine

Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:42:48 PM

Subject: Supplements and Heart Beat - HELP NEEDED

Sorry for the cross post but I really need to find someone who might know

this information.

History:

7yo son w/ Autism, diagnosed with mild heart murmer at birth, had him

checked by a pediatric cardiologist 1-2 years ago (can't remember exact

date), still had murmer but was given the green light for sport activities.

Seen regular doc for regular visits, and most recently saw a Developmental

Ped in October 08. No mention ever given of an irregular/irregular

heartbeat. I called cardiologist to double check, nothing in the records, I

will call newest ped later to check with her.

I am considering treating with Chinese Medicine and took his pulse, when I

found an irregular heartbeat. If this had always been there I wouldn't be

concerned but apparantly it hasn't. Part of me realizes his pulse fits

perfectly with his diagnosis in Chinese Medicine so that is keeping me

somewhat calm, but we recently started alot of BioMed and I am concerned

that it could be a supplement. I'd like to see if anyone has any thoughts

on the following supplements being a factor?

Supplements

Houston Enzymes - TriEnza, NoFenol (have done these enzymes previously even

before Cardiologist appt)

Nordic Naturals - Nordic Berries, DHA Junior 8 gels, CLO 2 tsp (alternate

CLO/DHA daily)

Biotin 10,000 - 20,000 mcg daily

Kirkland Calcium citrate 250mg/Mag 40mg (also has Vit D, B6, Zinc, Copper,

Manganese)

Natural Calm Magnesium 300mg

mb12 1000mcg, folinic acid 400mcg, acetyl l carnitine 250mg (has only had

two doses of these starting four days ago)

GSE - 3 drops

Renew Life & Culturelle Probiotic

BComplex

We are seeing terrific gains, getting close to recovery so I am very, very

surprised to see his pulse like this. I will write to the TCM group

separately about his TCM stuff as I was going to do this anyway, but needed

some immediate help with what might be going on, I don't want to be putting

my son in danger. And really I am not a sensationalist, if anything I under

react - just to give perspective, lol.

--

Ormonde, L.Ac.

www.AuburnCommunity Acupuncture. com

[Guest guest]

A couple more thoughts- I read last night in the interpretation

section of my OAT from Great Plains that oxalates are known to cause

" heart abnormalities " . They also say that it is believed (but not

known for sure) that candida give off oxalates, they say that mold

(specifically mention Aspergillus) is known to give off oxalates. My

DAN! has said that oxalates and yeast seem to go hand-in-hand for most

people. They also say that if there is bile salt deficiency that this

can cause poor fatty acid digestion and this cna elevate oxalate levels.

Someone said this happened after eating chocolate, which is very high

in oxalates. It is also very high in hisramine. Having problems with

balance/ccordination/proprioception are also big histamine things.

Interestingly, anti-vertigo medication is anti-histamine (as are

anti-anxiety drugs like Paxil and Xanax, that's how they work). So he

doesn't have sings of poor fatty acid absorption like lots of ear wax,

" chicken skin " bumps " on his upper arms (I forget the other signs)?

If he has allergies, has anxiety, emotional volatility, they could

point towards a histamine problem. However, I'm suspecting now that

the histamine problem comes back to gut dysbiosis so we're back at the

yeast issue. Gotta love all this, don't you

We just did some colloidal silver, which was VERY powerful stuff for

us and caused serious die-off, and for me did seem to cause the

heartbeat issues again. Other anti-fungals haven't, including

caprylic acid, Threelac, and Kirkman's Yeast Aid (which has OOO and

OLE I think).

HTH,

-SIerra

>

> one other thought on the irreg. heartbeats.. i just recently had

quite a few for a few days and have an idea of why.. a combo of

chocolate (which a new born wouldn't have...) and also sugar. I

rarely eat sugar (although I eat a fair amount of carbs..) but sugar

puts my own candida OOC... so i do know they can come and go w/

diet..including what you were eating if you were breastfeeding a

newborn. (and sugars in the formula..) but the 'cause' can be a lot

of things.

>

> Amy

> Homeschool and Life Blog

> Art, Music and Nature Blog

> Healthy Home Blog

[Guest guest]

> think I am going to switch the GSE to something else and see if his

pulse

> regulates.

> My theory (at this point, lol) the GSE is making it irreg, it starts to

> regulate and then I give GSE and it gets worse again.

> So whats the next best natural antifungal in line to switch to???

In my experience, biotin. You can also try oil of oregano.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I just had the same heartbeat issue with colloidal silver (which

worked REALLY WELL for us- we were in die-off hell for awhile!), and

the irreg. heartbeat came back for me pretty bad. I'm wondering now

if it is just a symptom of strong die-off regardless of what I use? I

also noticed on my OAT results that it says that ueast are thought to

produce oxalates, and that oxalates can cause heart problems (don't

know if this includes irreg heartbeat), so maybe that's the connection

with die-off?

I also heard that research was presented at the recent DAN! conference

that yeast actually protects us from some toxins, including mercury

and other metals, and it releases those toxins when it dies, so maybe

fast die-off releases these toxins faster than the body can cope with

it? Someone else just posted about using enzymes to support detox

when killing yeast, I think I will try that. Have you tried cutting

back on the GSE to see if that helps?

-Sierra

> > think I am going to switch the GSE to something else and see if his

> pulse

> > regulates.

> > My theory (at this point, lol) the GSE is making it irreg, it

starts to

> > regulate and then I give GSE and it gets worse again.

> > So whats the next best natural antifungal in line to switch to???

>

>

> In my experience, biotin. You can also try oil of oregano.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

I've used the BrainChild yeast program for my kids, and while I love

their other products, my kids yeast got worse on it and that was with

me using more than the suggested dosage. I hear it works well for

others though. I still use it for my ASD son, just along with other

things. Threelac has worked best so far in the sense of helping but

not producing bad die-off. I think that the organisms in Threelac

actually " eat " the yeast, so maybe they also soak up the toxins?

I am tired of the yeast battle so we will be starting the GAPS diet

after christmas. GAPS stands for Gut and Psychology Syndrome, and the

diet is basically the SCD only slightly modified. I like the GAPS

book though because it explains so much more than the SCD book. We've

also used Kirkman's Yeast Aid (helped and caused some die-off, kills

more than just yeast though) and caprylic acid. It's hard to say how

much these helped. I just know that the colloidal silver was like a

nuclear bomb! I want to do it again after christmas, but start lower

and go slower. It was much stronger than what our doctor had said.

I'm also hoping that the diet will solve this. After spending so much

energy trying to kill the buggers, it just doesn't make sense to me to

feed us food that helps them thrive.

That's funny- we have viral issues too! Sounds like have a lot in

common. Treating my ASD son with anti-virals (some virastop, then

added Valtrex, then added mB12 shots, then lysine) has catapulted him

forward to near recovery! I also have HHV-6 and ma doing much better

an Valtrex.

-Sierra

>

> I have been thinking this to, that with the die-off producing toxins

that

> get in the blood through the leaky gut plus viral issues increasing

that it

> would be a tremendous strain on the body, perhaps both therapies should

> always be in conjunction with each other? I started yeast treatments in

> prep for viral, but maybe there really is a delicate balance.

>

> His hb feels great today so I am going to stick with just probiotics and

> biotin for a day or two until we start his viral therapy (using

Virastop)

> then maybe I will try OoO or garlic or something, the Brainchild

> Nutritionals rotational treatment looks interesting as well

> http://www.brainchildnutritionals.com/PDF/Candida.pdf

>

> Have you tried other antifungals besides GSE & Silver?

>