Re: We're up to 12 digest gold caps with each meal!

[Guest guest]

Sounds like a lot to me. Maybe you need something stronger or separate

supplements to target specific foods instead of a broad spectrum enzyme? Do you

know which foods cause the reactions?

I'm sure , Dana or Alessandra will have some good advice for you.

Dana C.

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From: " " <jenn-miller@...>

Um...isn't that a LOT??!! I started out with one cap and worked up to

7 quickly. My daughter started at 1/2 and quickly worked up to 4.

Neither of us had any negative reactions. Our symptoms returned on day

10 (she gets bumpy rash on upper arms, red cheeks and chin, bloating,

constipation, sinus congestion and irritablity. I get bloating,

psoriasis flare-up, constipation, headaches, sinus congestion, and

irritability). Last night I took 10 caps with dinner and saw much

improvement. Kate took 5 and saw much improvement in all symptoms.

This morning, I upped dose again (me 11 and Kate 6) and saw more

improvement but symptoms still aren't gone. I'm going to take 12 with

lunch and give Kate 7. THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF ENZYMES!! Has anyone

else ever taken this many? Plus, I have to be taking way more protease

enzymes than I'm using to digest my food so should I be taking Virastop

with Candidase between meals as well to help get rid of the candida?

I'm only on day 13 of this enzyme trial and am quickly watching my bank

account dwindle away, but I'm very, very happy to stick with this if

it's the right course of action. Am I on the right track?

[Guest guest]

Can you share with us the brand of enzymes you are taking? That is a lot.

Tammy

We're up to 12 digest gold caps with each meal!

Um...isn't that a LOT??!! I started out with one cap and worked up to

7 quickly. My daughter started at 1/2 and quickly worked up to 4.

Neither of us had any negative reactions. Our symptoms returned on day

10 (she gets bumpy rash on upper arms, red cheeks and chin, bloating,

constipation, sinus congestion and irritablity. I get bloating,

psoriasis flare-up, constipation, headaches, sinus congestion, and

irritability). Last night I took 10 caps with dinner and saw much

improvement. Kate took 5 and saw much improvement in all symptoms.

This morning, I upped dose again (me 11 and Kate 6) and saw more

improvement but symptoms still aren't gone. I'm going to take 12 with

lunch and give Kate 7. THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF ENZYMES!! Has anyone

else ever taken this many? Plus, I have to be taking way more protease

enzymes than I'm using to digest my food so should I be taking Virastop

with Candidase between meals as well to help get rid of the candida?

I'm only on day 13 of this enzyme trial and am quickly watching my bank

account dwindle away, but I'm very, very happy to stick with this if

it's the right course of action. Am I on the right track?

[Guest guest]

>>I'm going to take 12 with

> lunch and give Kate 7. THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF ENZYMES!! Has anyone

> else ever taken this many? Plus, I have to be taking way more protease

> enzymes than I'm using to digest my food so should I be taking Virastop

> with Candidase between meals as well to help get rid of the candida?

> I'm only on day 13 of this enzyme trial and am quickly watching my bank

> account dwindle away, but I'm very, very happy to stick with this if

> it's the right course of action. Am I on the right track?

This sounds like you need to use a specialty enzyme that contains more

activity for the foods you don't tolerate. Which high protease enzyme

are you using in addition to the DG?

Dana

[Guest guest]

It's by Enzymedica. I've looked all over the place to find something that has

equivalent amounts of everything it has, or everything but the proteases and I

can't find anything. What's going on with us?

Also, I've been having headaches constantly, and the rashes that I've always

had that were going away in the first few days of treatment are back. Do I need

to adjust my dose again or consider it part of a die-off reaction and wait it

out?

Thanks so much for your help, everyone!

Jenn

[Guest guest]

> It's by Enzymedica. I've looked all over the place to find

something that has equivalent amounts of everything it has, or

everything but the proteases and I can't find anything. What's going

on with us?

>

> Also, I've been having headaches constantly, and the rashes that

I've always had that were going away in the first few days of

treatment are back. Do I need to adjust my dose again or consider it

part of a die-off reaction and wait it out?

You might not tolerate an ingredient of the enzyme. Does it contain

papain/bromelain? Those two are commonly not tolerated.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi

I work for Enzymedica's education department. I have not heard of

someone having to take that many capsules with one meal. Digest Gold

does not contain any bromelain and papain so I would not be concerned

with that. I'm not aware of a broad spectrum digestive enzyme that is

more potent or stronger than Digest Gold either. But if you know

specifically what foods are causing the problems for you and your

daughter, maybe we can figure out which enzyme product you should

take. For instance although Digest Gold has amounts of everything, a

product like Lypo Gold has higher amounts of Lipase than Digest Gold

does. So if you had trouble digesting fats I would go with the Lypo

Gold. Do you know what foods are specifically causing you trouble?

Alessandra

Enzymedica's Education Department

>

> Um...isn't that a LOT??!! I started out with one cap and worked up

to

> 7 quickly. My daughter started at 1/2 and quickly worked up to 4.

> Neither of us had any negative reactions. Our symptoms returned on

day

> 10 (she gets bumpy rash on upper arms, red cheeks and chin,

bloating,

> constipation, sinus congestion and irritablity. I get bloating,

> psoriasis flare-up, constipation, headaches, sinus congestion, and

> irritability). Last night I took 10 caps with dinner and saw much

> improvement. Kate took 5 and saw much improvement in all

symptoms.

> This morning, I upped dose again (me 11 and Kate 6) and saw more

> improvement but symptoms still aren't gone. I'm going to take 12

with

> lunch and give Kate 7. THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF ENZYMES!! Has anyone

> else ever taken this many? Plus, I have to be taking way more

protease

> enzymes than I'm using to digest my food so should I be taking

Virastop

> with Candidase between meals as well to help get rid of the

candida?

> I'm only on day 13 of this enzyme trial and am quickly watching my

bank

> account dwindle away, but I'm very, very happy to stick with this

if

> it's the right course of action. Am I on the right track?

>

[Guest guest]

Allesandra and Dana, thanks for your helpful replies. We really do

react to EVERYTHING we eat! I am a vegetarian, but my daughter is

not. What I find interesting is that the food we eat doesn't have to

be in our bodies for more than 15 minutes or so for us to have a

reaction, that is IF we haven't taken enough enzymes. If we've had

enough before the food goes in we don't have any problems. I've

decided to go on a raw blended diet with just a few Digest Gold caps

with each meal for a month to give my GI a rest. I've been doing it

for about 24 hours now with no adverse reactions to the lower dose

of enzymes. My daughter won't do all blended foods, so she's now up

to 10 caps with meals. If I don't give her 10, the rash on her arms

comes back and she gets really aggressive, angry, and bloated.

I've just finished reading Tom Bohager's book " Enzymes: What The

Experts Know " and am a bit more confused about what theraputic

protocol we should be on. Should we do a virastop/candidase combo

between meals to get rid of pathogens and the candida that I know we

have? Should we start what he calls a " soothing Digestive formula "

(ie: no protease, high amalase/lipase/cellulase and herbs like

marshmallow root) for our obvious malabsorption problem? Can we do

them both at the same time? What about anti-inflamatory enzymes like

papain and Bromelain? Where do I start?

Thanks so much to everyone for all your help!

Jenn

[Guest guest]

> Allesandra and Dana, thanks for your helpful replies. We really do

> react to EVERYTHING we eat! I am a vegetarian, but my daughter is

> not. What I find interesting is that the food we eat doesn't have to

> be in our bodies for more than 15 minutes or so for us to have a

> reaction, that is IF we haven't taken enough enzymes.

One thing you might consider. There were a few foods that enzymes did

not address for my son, he did not tolerate those foods for reasons

*other* than digestion. So if you are eating foods that the enzymes

really are not addressing for you, you might find temporary relief

from taking a LOT of enzymes, but the underlying problem is not being

addressed.

For other foods, I needed apple cider vinegar for proper digestion.

> I've just finished reading Tom Bohager's book " Enzymes: What The

> Experts Know " and am a bit more confused about what theraputic

> protocol we should be on. Should we do a virastop/candidase combo

> between meals to get rid of pathogens and the candida that I know we

> have?

Eliminating Candida can be helpful. I used biotin and GSE. Candidase

was also helpful, altho biotin addressed one of my son's underlying

problems.

>>What about anti-inflamatory enzymes like

> papain and Bromelain?

Some people do much better with papain/bromelain, and others have

problems with those products. So you can experiment if you want, see

how you react.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Jenn

Sorry for the LONG post. I've spoken to Dave in our technical

department about your situation. He does a lot of speeches and

trainings so he is very knowledgeable. If it is at all possible I

recommend you calling him. He had a bunch of questions that I thought

could easier be answered if the two of you talked. If this is not

possible I DO NOT mind talking through the group. It just takes more

time for you to get an answer. We both found it CRAZY that you were

up to 12 Digest Gold with each meal. That many should not be needed.

That's why he had so many questions.

As for you other questions:

Should we do a virastop/candidase combo between meals to get rid of

pathogens and the candida that I know we have?

-Yes. On an empty stomach, either 30 minutes before a meal or 2 hours

after a meal.

Should we start what he calls a " soothing Digestive formula "

- Well there's ACID SOOTHE- take 2 after every meal- helps with acid

reflux symptoms.

-But to take Acid Soothe or something like Lacto as a digestive

enzyme- it would not be potent enough. But you could try taking 2

Acid Soothe after every meal or whenever you feel discomfort.

Can we do them both at the same time?

- Each bottle will tell you when to take the products. But you can

take the Therapeutic enzymes at the same time (on an empty stomach)

What is the difference between " therapeutic " and " digestive " enzymes?

- Simply put, digestive enzymes are taken with food. Therapeutic

enzymes could be the exact same enzyme but taken away from food (30

minutes before or 2 hours after a meal) so that they are utilized in

different ways. Therapeutic enzymes work systemically in the body.

What about anti-inflamatory enzymes like papain and Bromelain?

- We make two great products for that. Repair Gold & Serra Gold.

Repair Gold is recommended to help speed the recovery of sore muscles

due to overexertion or damage. SerraGold is recommended for those

that suffer from discomfort, swelling and stiffness. Both may be

taken together in severe cases.

I hope this email helps. You can reach Dave @ 888-918-1118

If you would like to join our automatic shipping program, you receive

free shipping with each order and a free gift with your first order.

Automatic shipping is according to how often you need the products.

But I figured with how fast you are going through the bottles, it

might be very convenient for you. Just let me know.

Alessandra

Enzymedica's Education Department

>

> Allesandra and Dana, thanks for your helpful replies. We really

do

> react to EVERYTHING we eat! I am a vegetarian, but my daughter is

> not. What I find interesting is that the food we eat doesn't have

to

> be in our bodies for more than 15 minutes or so for us to have a

> reaction, that is IF we haven't taken enough enzymes. If we've had

> enough before the food goes in we don't have any problems. I've

> decided to go on a raw blended diet with just a few Digest Gold

caps

> with each meal for a month to give my GI a rest. I've been doing

it

> for about 24 hours now with no adverse reactions to the lower dose

> of enzymes. My daughter won't do all blended foods, so she's now up

> to 10 caps with meals. If I don't give her 10, the rash on her

arms

> comes back and she gets really aggressive, angry, and bloated.

>

> I've just finished reading Tom Bohager's book " Enzymes: What The

> Experts Know " and am a bit more confused about what theraputic

> protocol we should be on. Should we do a virastop/candidase combo

> between meals to get rid of pathogens and the candida that I know

we

> have? Should we start what he calls a " soothing Digestive formula "

> (ie: no protease, high amalase/lipase/cellulase and herbs like

> marshmallow root) for our obvious malabsorption problem? Can we do

> them both at the same time? What about anti-inflamatory enzymes

like

> papain and Bromelain? Where do I start?

>

> Thanks so much to everyone for all your help!

> Jenn

>