Re: problems with melatonin..

January 15, 2008

usually waking up with melatonin means too much melatonin. try .25 mg, see how

she does. was she much of a night waker before? that can be gut issues, yeast

(wakes up giggly/manic), good old worms(wakes up squirmy and a little mean),

ears (wakes up fidgety, fussy alittle mean) otherwise i would try alittle less

melatonin. Im glad its helping with falling asleep though, that can be so hard.

take care, Libby

problems with melatonin..

Hello everyone,

I havent posted in a long time , but i am at a loss with a problem my

daughter is having, she is 4 and ASD , recently she has been crying

alot , especially at night when it's time to go to bed, and this can

go on up to an hour and we were then having a hard time getting her up

in the morning for school, anyways the Dev. Ped. suggested Melatonin

because of the ADD characteristics (the go go go mode) that come with

ASD , she was having a hard time with the transistion of falling

asleep. So we started the Melatonin and .5 mg about 1 week ago, since

then she goes to sleep fairly easily but tends to wake up around 3 or

4 for about an hour every night. So what i am wondering is , is this

common? Should i up the dose? Any experiences with this would be

helpful! Thanks so much!

-Lucinda

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January 15, 2008

I'm having a similar problem with my almost 4yo dd with ASD. I'm up to

3mg of melatonin a night. Although I try to only use it on school

nights. I have also tried adding 5Htp and I didn't see much

improvement. I'm back to just trying the melatonin and making sure she

doesn't have any supplements too close to bedtime. (Only magnesium

lotion, epsom salt bath and calcium) I'm hoping this works. She seems

fine getting up anywhere from 3:30 to 5am but she's wearing mommy out!

I'd appreciate any suggestions from anyone too.

January 16, 2008

Try treating her for yeast. I know this made a big difference for my boys. They

are on melatonin and 5HTP and were sleeping good most of the time but still had

nights when they were waking up and would wake up pretty early in the morning

too. Since I started treating for yeast issues they sleep almost 12 hrs.now

without waking up. It's been wonderful and like a dream come true. I use Biotin

and my boys are up to 15mg. a day.

Re: problems with melatonin..

I'm having a similar problem with my almost 4yo dd with ASD. I'm up to

3mg of melatonin a night. Although I try to only use it on school

nights. I have also tried adding 5Htp and I didn't see much

improvement. I'm back to just trying the melatonin and making sure she

doesn't have any supplements too close to bedtime. (Only magnesium

lotion, epsom salt bath and calcium) I'm hoping this works. She seems

fine getting up anywhere from 3:30 to 5am but she's wearing mommy out!

I'd appreciate any suggestions from anyone too.

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January 16, 2008

I didn't read your original post, but when we had problems with melatonin not

helping as much, it was the other additives in the brand we were using. I try to

be sure it has nothing but the melatonin and no dextrose as a filler. We also

changed to a time-released melatonin.

When we hit a patch where the melatonin gets my child to sleep, but she can't

stay asleep, we add valerian root for a day or two and that helps.

January 16, 2008

hi, my 3 yr old daughter is the same way. for a while there, she was

waking up 3-4 times a week at around 1 am and didn't go back to sleep

til 4-430. Then it was hard to wake her up at school at 8 am. To top

if off, i also have a 1 year old and back a few months ago, she was

still waking up 1-2x a night! We've started giving my 3 year old slow

release melatonin 2.5mg every night for the past month or so per

recommendation of our DAN dr. i was hesitant at first, i didn't want

her body to stop making any melatonin it was making but dr reassured me

that wouldn't happen. anyway, it works " most " of the time. she still

gets up 1-2 times a week, may stay up for a couple of hours before she

crashes. i guess 1-2x is better than 3-4x right? i'm not sure if i've

helped at all?

not to get off the subject, but does anyone know how to improve dark

circles under eyes? not for my kids but for me.

>

> I'm having a similar problem with my almost 4yo dd with ASD. I'm up

to

> 3mg of melatonin a night. Although I try to only use it on school

> nights. I have also tried adding 5Htp and I didn't see much

> improvement. I'm back to just trying the melatonin and making sure

she

> doesn't have any supplements too close to bedtime. (Only magnesium

> lotion, epsom salt bath and calcium) I'm hoping this works. She seems

> fine getting up anywhere from 3:30 to 5am but she's wearing mommy out!

>

> I'd appreciate any suggestions from anyone too.

>

January 16, 2008

Hello, thanks for sharing.. i do have a question.. what is Htp? I wonder if it

would be ok to give them the melatonin when they wake up in the middle of the

night too? I have only been giving her half of the 1mg tablet and that has

seemed to be ok, but maybe that's why she is waking up in the middle of the

night?

-Lucinda

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January 16, 2008

Just wondering if you guys were adressing phenol issues....my son's

night waking was due to phenols and since the reduction of fruit

juices and high phenol foods he's gotten better. I also use no-fenol

from Houston. There have been a few occasions where he's woken up

since removing phenols, but he doesn't giggle or try to get up and

play...he'll just lie in bed awake and eventually go back to sleep.

> >

> > I'm having a similar problem with my almost 4yo dd with ASD. I'm

up

> to

> > 3mg of melatonin a night. Although I try to only use it on school

> > nights. I have also tried adding 5Htp and I didn't see much

> > improvement. I'm back to just trying the melatonin and making

sure

> she

> > doesn't have any supplements too close to bedtime. (Only

magnesium

> > lotion, epsom salt bath and calcium) I'm hoping this works. She

seems

> > fine getting up anywhere from 3:30 to 5am but she's wearing mommy

out!

> >

> > I'd appreciate any suggestions from anyone too.

> >

>

January 17, 2008

> not to get off the subject, but does anyone know how to improve dark

> circles under eyes? not for my kids but for me.

This is a sign of intolerance. Can be any foods [or environmental],

but phenols are common

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

Dana

January 17, 2008

We tried Melatonin as well. I have learned that Melatonin only puts

kids to sleep. It does not keep them asleep.

I have also heard/read that when you take Melatonin it causes the body

to stop making it because it gets it from another source. (Someone has

already mentioned this and said that their DAN Dr said it was not

true).

My son also has seizures and it did increase his seizures, so be

careful.

I am glad I could finally help!

(Mom to )

>

> Hello everyone,

> I havent posted in a long time , but i am at a loss with a problem my

> daughter is having, she is 4 and ASD , recently she has been crying

> alot , especially at night when it's time to go to bed, and this can

> go on up to an hour and we were then having a hard time getting her up

> in the morning for school, anyways the Dev. Ped. suggested Melatonin

> because of the ADD characteristics (the go go go mode) that come with

> ASD , she was having a hard time with the transistion of falling

> asleep. So we started the Melatonin and .5 mg about 1 week ago, since

> then she goes to sleep fairly easily but tends to wake up around 3 or

> 4 for about an hour every night. So what i am wondering is , is this

> common? Should i up the dose? Any experiences with this would be

> helpful! Thanks so much!

> -Lucinda

>

January 17, 2008

jennifer,

i agree with you about the melatonin. my daughter has no problems

falling asleep but like last night, she was up at 1 and didn't go

back to sleep until 4. i know others have mentioned it could be

yeast? or phenols? but honestly, i don't know what those symptoms

are for me to watch out for. my daughter is for the most part, easy

going. her main problems are nonverbal (although she makes ALOT of

noise, babbling, trying to repeat words on tv like on dora or blues

clues)and fleeting eye contact. some days her stools are liquid,

then the next could be formed. i do give her digestive enzymes

mainly before lunch and supper. she is sooooo picky that she only

eats like 5 things so i'm afraid to go gfcf because she is such a

picky eater!! knowing her.........she'll go without food if she

doesn't like it. i know i am now getting off the subject of

melatonin and sleep but what juices do you give your little ones.

since my daughter is only 3, she will NOT swallow pills so i release

the enzymes in with her juice but she drinks apple juice watered

down. from what i've read, apples are high in phenols?? so, does

anyone recommend something other juice? the juice i give her

says " gluten free " on the bottle. i have gse to start but didn't yet

because of the age thing. says 5 and over on the bottle. we are

actually seeing our " dan " dr (he's actually an allergist but

apparently has treated autistic children before) and i'm hoping to

have my daughter be put back on diflucan. she was on it for 2 months

with some subtle improvements esp. with stools and attention but off

for 2 months because of holidays and just not being able to make it

back. so anyway, if anyone has any suggestions about the above,

please let me know. sorry, i know this email is long! just so much

to talk about!!

thanks to all

gina

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> > I havent posted in a long time , but i am at a loss with a

problem my

> > daughter is having, she is 4 and ASD , recently she has been

crying

> > alot , especially at night when it's time to go to bed, and this

can

> > go on up to an hour and we were then having a hard time getting

her up

> > in the morning for school, anyways the Dev. Ped. suggested

Melatonin

> > because of the ADD characteristics (the go go go mode) that come

with

> > ASD , she was having a hard time with the transistion of falling

> > asleep. So we started the Melatonin and .5 mg about 1 week ago,

since

> > then she goes to sleep fairly easily but tends to wake up around

3 or

> > 4 for about an hour every night. So what i am wondering is , is

this

> > common? Should i up the dose? Any experiences with this would be

> > helpful! Thanks so much!

> > -Lucinda

> >

>

January 17, 2008

I think pear juice has phenols but less than apple juice.