Re: Can B vitamins increase yeast?

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what vitamin are you giving? (brand, amount?)

rathmanmom <dani@...> wrote: Got the urine and stool tests

back for my 2 yr old. Very low on folic acid and all B's (which

concerns me a lot but doesn't surprise me)and the test indicate yeast overgrowth

as well.

Bacteria's fine and so far nothing else seems really out of wack. We are waiting

for the

blood test for metals.

My son can be clear as a bell, minimal stimming if at all, relevant language but

when I give

him even a little bit of Brain child's ultra sensitive vitamins he gets hyper,

starts stimming,

becomes more obsessive. He even gets clumsy and less coordinated when putting a

puzzle together that he can usually do no problem.

Are the B's making the yeast worse?

Is this just a " healing regression " when introducung supplements the body really

needs?

Do I keep giving it to him and wait it out?

It's a sad situation, it's like my son's body rejects the very nutrients he

needs.

This is why I'm considering what my son is going though is caused my metal

toxicity, he

can't tolerate hardly anything, His little body has become so hyper sensitive.

It gets so depressing and I feel so bad for him.

Thanks,

Dani

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[Guest guest]

brain child nutritionals, ultra sensitive

1/4 tsp

Got the urine and stool tests back for

my 2 yr

old. Very low on folic acid and all B's (which

> concerns me a lot but doesn't surprise me)and the test indicate yeast

overgrowth as

well.

> Bacteria's fine and so far nothing else seems really out of wack. We are

waiting for the

> blood test for metals.

> My son can be clear as a bell, minimal stimming if at all, relevant language

but when I

give

> him even a little bit of Brain child's ultra sensitive vitamins he gets hyper,

starts

stimming,

> becomes more obsessive. He even gets clumsy and less coordinated when putting

a

> puzzle together that he can usually do no problem.

> Are the B's making the yeast worse?

> Is this just a " healing regression " when introducung supplements the body

really needs?

> Do I keep giving it to him and wait it out?

> It's a sad situation, it's like my son's body rejects the very nutrients he

needs.

> This is why I'm considering what my son is going though is caused my metal

toxicity, he

> can't tolerate hardly anything, His little body has become so hyper sensitive.

> It gets so depressing and I feel so bad for him.

> Thanks,

> Dani

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

hmmmm....I don't know about Brainchild's products, but I do remember my DAN!

specifically telling me not to give my son Super Nu Thera because it was so

strong. Hopefully someone can offer a solution.

rathmanmom <dani@...> wrote: brain child nutritionals, ultra

sensitive

1/4 tsp

Got the urine and stool tests back for my 2 yr

old. Very low on folic acid and all B's (which

> concerns me a lot but doesn't surprise me)and the test indicate yeast

overgrowth as

well.

> Bacteria's fine and so far nothing else seems really out of wack. We are

waiting for the

> blood test for metals.

> My son can be clear as a bell, minimal stimming if at all, relevant language

but when I

give

> him even a little bit of Brain child's ultra sensitive vitamins he gets hyper,

starts

stimming,

> becomes more obsessive. He even gets clumsy and less coordinated when putting

a

> puzzle together that he can usually do no problem.

> Are the B's making the yeast worse?

> Is this just a " healing regression " when introducung supplements the body

really needs?

> Do I keep giving it to him and wait it out?

> It's a sad situation, it's like my son's body rejects the very nutrients he

needs.

> This is why I'm considering what my son is going though is caused my metal

toxicity, he

> can't tolerate hardly anything, His little body has become so hyper sensitive.

> It gets so depressing and I feel so bad for him.

> Thanks,

> Dani

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dani - how much are you giving of the BC? Start out even slower if need be.

Oh, I hope it works!

Tammy

Can B vitamins increase yeast?

Got the urine and stool tests back for my 2 yr old. Very low on folic acid

and all B's (which

concerns me a lot but doesn't surprise me)and the test indicate yeast

overgrowth as well.

Bacteria's fine and so far nothing else seems really out of wack. We are

waiting for the

blood test for metals.

My son can be clear as a bell, minimal stimming if at all, relevant language

but when I give

him even a little bit of Brain child's ultra sensitive vitamins he gets

hyper, starts stimming,

becomes more obsessive. He even gets clumsy and less coordinated when

putting a

puzzle together that he can usually do no problem.

Are the B's making the yeast worse?

Is this just a " healing regression " when introducung supplements the body

really needs?

Do I keep giving it to him and wait it out?

It's a sad situation, it's like my son's body rejects the very nutrients he

needs.

This is why I'm considering what my son is going though is caused my metal

toxicity, he

can't tolerate hardly anything, His little body has become so hyper

sensitive.

It gets so depressing and I feel so bad for him.

Thanks,

Dani

[Guest guest]

Urine and stool tests of nutrients is not always indicative of deficiency. Only

a blood test can give accurate what the body is storing. Urine and fecal show

what the body didnt absorb or need at that time of digestion. If he didnt eat

much with iron in it say for example.. the urine and stool would show he was low

on iron... but his body stores could be fine. My sons hair test came back very

very low in calcium and his urine test came back in the middle.. but his blood

test came back he was real high. I am not sure exactly what type of urine. stool

test you had done but its usually not exact. My sons iron level in blood vame

back ok but his ferritin was way low ( body stores of iron ) I would wait for

the blood test just in case. Also I have attached a message from a different

group. This may be his problem also. Not absorbing. utilizing correctly

FWIW, my daughter's B12, tested several months before we started MB12 was 1840,

when I believe the upper end of the refence range was 800. 6 Months after MB12

shots, her level had barely moved, to about 1900 it I recall. The way it was

explained to me was this proved the shots were necessary for her. She was a

huge responder to the shots. Our DAN told us, that the B12 in her blood can not

be methylated, or changed into the MB12 her cells need. She was finally getting

B12, in the shot form, which was why she responded so well. Her blood levels

that high proved her body was not changed over what she had gathered from diet,

supps, etc into anything useable so it was just " hanging out " in the blood.

The following is from an article by Dr. Neubrander - Methyl B12, Myth,

Masterpiece or Miracle? That I think explains it better than I.

" B12 levels are high-normal to high in almost all children documented to be

methyl B-12 responders. When B12 approaches the methione synthase enzyme and

cannot be reduced and recycled, the oxideized form of B12 just sits outside the

cell and builds up in the plasma. The easiest clinical analogy to understand

this phenomenon is diabetes where the blood sugar that cannot enter the cell

builds up in the plasma. "

Got the urine and stool tests back for my 2 yr old. Very low on folic acid and

all B's (which

concerns me a lot but doesn't surprise me)and the test indicate yeast overgrowth

as well.

Bacteria's fine and so far nothing else seems really out of wack. We are waiting

for the

blood test for metals.

My son can be clear as a bell, minimal stimming if at all, relevant language but

when I give

him even a little bit of Brain child's ultra sensitive vitamins he gets hyper,

starts stimming,

becomes more obsessive. He even gets clumsy and less coordinated when putting a

puzzle together that he can usually do no problem.

Are the B's making the yeast worse?

Is this just a " healing regression " when introducung supplements the body really

needs?

Do I keep giving it to him and wait it out?

It's a sad situation, it's like my son's body rejects the very nutrients he

needs.

This is why I'm considering what my son is going though is caused my metal

toxicity, he

can't tolerate hardly anything, His little body has become so hyper sensitive.

It gets so depressing and I feel so bad for him.

Thanks,

Dani

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A couple of years ago we went to a DAN that recommended Brainchild

Nutritionals Spectrum Vitamins and Minerals. It was the one that

came in 2 seperate containers. Our son could not tolerate the

product. We started at a very low dosage. We saw severe gastro

issues, reflux, and behavioral regressions. We gave up on the

product. However I do believe that it is a good product. But, if

there are underlying issues that are not being addressed it, or any

other strong spectrum type vitamin, will create chaos in little

their bodies.

It is been 2 years and a different DAN and I now understand the

concept of gut dysbiosis. He was not able to properly absorb the

nutrients. Just watching my sons reaction to supplements I believe

that he is esp. unable to process the minerals. We have really

worked on healing his gut through diet, natural antifungals,

probiotics, antivirals and enzymes. He has made so much progress but

still has absorption issues.

>

> Got the urine and stool tests back for my 2 yr old. Very low on

folic acid and all B's (which

> concerns me a lot but doesn't surprise me)and the test indicate

yeast overgrowth as well.

> Bacteria's fine and so far nothing else seems really out of wack.

We are waiting for the

> blood test for metals.

> My son can be clear as a bell, minimal stimming if at all, relevant

language but when I give

> him even a little bit of Brain child's ultra sensitive vitamins he

gets hyper, starts stimming,

> becomes more obsessive. He even gets clumsy and less coordinated

when putting a

> puzzle together that he can usually do no problem.

> Are the B's making the yeast worse?

> Is this just a " healing regression " when introducung supplements

the body really needs?

> Do I keep giving it to him and wait it out?

> It's a sad situation, it's like my son's body rejects the very

nutrients he needs.

> This is why I'm considering what my son is going though is caused

my metal toxicity, he

> can't tolerate hardly anything, His little body has become so hyper

sensitive.

> It gets so depressing and I feel so bad for him.

> Thanks,

> Dani

>

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Dani,

My son is currently on BC. But before I put him on

BC, I had to iron out many issues. I had him on GSE on

and off, for yeast issues. I worked on his enzyme

intake (all three). I started all the supplements, one

by one, to see how he reacted. He reacted, like your

son, for B6 (P5P form) and TMG. Rest of the

supplements he did well. So when I talk to BC (I

forgot her name), she said that the combination might

work for him. SO I bought the one with no P5P (Pak

II). Started him on 1/8 of the dose and every 3 days,

increased. Now I am at 2 tsp. I have to get him to 2

3/4 tsp for his weight. Even with this, I had to give

extra folic acid and magnesium to compensate the extra

vocal stimming (lots of singing). He is also on extra

biotin (1000mcg) other than what is in BC (500mcg).

--- rathmanmom <dani@...> wrote:

> Got the urine and stool tests back for my 2 yr old.

> Very low on folic acid and all B's (which

> concerns me a lot but doesn't surprise me)and the

> test indicate yeast overgrowth as well.

> Bacteria's fine and so far nothing else seems really

> out of wack. We are waiting for the

> blood test for metals.

> My son can be clear as a bell, minimal stimming if

> at all, relevant language but when I give

> him even a little bit of Brain child's ultra

> sensitive vitamins he gets hyper, starts stimming,

> becomes more obsessive. He even gets clumsy and

> less coordinated when putting a

> puzzle together that he can usually do no problem.

> Are the B's making the yeast worse?

> Is this just a " healing regression " when introducung

> supplements the body really needs?

> Do I keep giving it to him and wait it out?

> It's a sad situation, it's like my son's body

> rejects the very nutrients he needs.

> This is why I'm considering what my son is going

> though is caused my metal toxicity, he

> can't tolerate hardly anything, His little body has

> become so hyper sensitive.

> It gets so depressing and I feel so bad for him.

> Thanks,

> Dani

>

>

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>>We are waiting for the

> blood test for metals.

A blood test will only give results for lead, and for anything with

recent exposures. If the metal exposures were more than three months

ago, blood test won't be accurate.

> My son can be clear as a bell, minimal stimming if at all, relevant

language but when I give

> him even a little bit of Brain child's ultra sensitive vitamins he

gets hyper, starts stimming,

> becomes more obsessive. He even gets clumsy and less coordinated

when putting a

> puzzle together that he can usually do no problem.

> Are the B's making the yeast worse?

In my experience, all Bs except biotin tended to increase yeast. Try

increasing the yeast protocol [including giving biotin]. My kids also

required carnitine for proper absorption of most Bs.

You can also reduce the dose of the Bs.

Dana