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In a message dated 27/04/2009 22:01:52 GMT Standard Time, maryhe@...

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what is your experience with ALA and why is he the only one who uses it

like

this when others use it as a general antioxidant & shy; he states that it is

dangerous to use daily as it will redistribute metals from the brain to the

body etc

>>Or from the body to brain which is worse. Andy says you can call it an

antioxidant and give it once daily but it does what it does regardless in an

Mercury toxic person. I would not risk my childs brain in this way

FWIW

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

Thanks Mandi but why is no one else using this protocol ­ I know lots of

kids who have done well with other chelation techniques etc - how recovered

is your child using his protocol ­ just need some idea re what is the most

common way that kids get better when chelating ­ in the new McCarthy book

they don¹t even mention Cutlers protocol ­ just don¹t want to waste time

with something if its just going to cause lots of issues and no real long

term gains etc etc ­ it seems like it is out there all on its own, haven¹t

yet met anyone with a recovered kid using it, seems like lots start but most

get rerailed due to stimmy yeasty symptoms ­ what is your experience etc

On 28/4/09 9:04 AM, " Mum231ASD@... " <Mum231ASD@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 27/04/2009 22:01:52 GMT Standard Time, maryhe@...

> <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

> writes:

>

> what is your experience with ALA and why is he the only one who uses it

> like

> this when others use it as a general antioxidant & shy; he states that it is

> dangerous to use daily as it will redistribute metals from the brain to the

> body etc

>

>>> >>Or from the body to brain which is worse. Andy says you can call it an

> antioxidant and give it once daily but it does what it does regardless in an

> Mercury toxic person. I would not risk my childs brain in this way

>

> FWIW

>

> Mandi in UK

>

>

[Guest guest]

We use NCD and have seen great things such as speech.

Re: Re: What are the best enzymes for reducing inflammation

in the ...

Thanks Mandi but why is no one else using this protocol ­ I know lots of

kids who have done well with other chelation techniques etc - how recovered

is your child using his protocol ­ just need some idea re what is the most

common way that kids get better when chelating ­ in the new McCarthy book

they don¹t even mention Cutlers protocol ­ just don¹t want to waste time

with something if its just going to cause lots of issues and no real long

term gains etc etc ­ it seems like it is out there all on its own, haven¹t

yet met anyone with a recovered kid using it, seems like lots start but most

get rerailed due to stimmy yeasty symptoms ­ what is your experience etc

On 28/4/09 9:04 AM, " Mum231ASD@... " <Mum231ASD@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 27/04/2009 22:01:52 GMT Standard Time, maryhe@...

> <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

> writes:

>

> what is your experience with ALA and why is he the only one who uses it

> like

> this when others use it as a general antioxidant & shy; he states that it is

> dangerous to use daily as it will redistribute metals from the brain to the

> body etc

>

>>> >>Or from the body to brain which is worse. Andy says you can call it an

> antioxidant and give it once daily but it does what it does regardless in an

> Mercury toxic person. I would not risk my childs brain in this way

>

> FWIW

>

> Mandi in UK

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

There are lots of recovered kids (well their parents) on the autism treatment

board who are using this protocol. AC protocol chelation has been the #1

best intervention for us so far, hands down. And my son is a yeasty gut kid

– and I haven’t found the yeast eating him alive as one DAN said it would.

After 8 months of chelation – 31 rounds to be exact – and yeast is no worse

than the day that we started. IV chelation has the ability to stir up yeast

as well – it is my understanding that it is the metals moving that does

this, not the chelator persay. Many dans do not like to support this

protocol and many will try to scare parents out of using it using the yeast

or gut issues as an excuse. Your guess as to what the reason for this would

be would be as good as mine – although for those DAN’s offering IV

chelation, one has to wonder if it doesn’t have to do with income. They

make nice $$ off of IV’s whereas writing you a script for dmsa doesn’t make

them a dime.

I love , but I hardly think her new book is the end-all reference for

biomed treatments, so it not mentioning Cutler’s protocol is really

meaningless. There were a few things that kartzinel wrote that my research

would disagree with – and that was just taking a look at it in the

bookstore. (I put it back on the shelf) One example is letting the child

pick the chelator. So, he subjects his patients to not ONE challenge test,

but TWO. So he can compare what came out depending on which chelator was

given and use that on the child. Except for one problem… a urine test is

only showing you a snapshot of what is being excreted at that particular

time and has no bearing over what is stored in the brain/tissues/organs/etc.

In my opinion, there are better books out there which would get you more

bang for your buck. I was looking forward to this book, but it was a huge

disappointment for me, to be quite honest.

Hope this helps,

http://www.recoveringnicholas.com

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1566597819 & ref=profile

From:

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Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:20 PM

Subject: Re: Re: What are the best enzymes for reducing

inflammation in the ...

Thanks Mandi but why is no one else using this protocol ­ I know lots of

kids who have done well with other chelation techniques etc - how recovered

is your child using his protocol ­ just need some idea re what is the most

common way that kids get better when chelating ­ in the new McCarthy book

they don¹t even mention Cutlers protocol ­ just don¹t want to waste time

with something if its just going to cause lots of issues and no real long

term gains etc etc ­ it seems like it is out there all on its own, haven¹t

yet met anyone with a recovered kid using it, seems like lots start but most

get rerailed due to stimmy yeasty symptoms ­ what is your experience etc

On 28/4/09 9:04 AM, " Mum231ASD@... <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com> "

<Mum231ASD@... <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com> > wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 27/04/2009 22:01:52 GMT Standard Time,

maryhe@... <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

> <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

> writes:

>

> what is your experience with ALA and why is he the only one who uses it

> like

> this when others use it as a general antioxidant & shy; he states that it

is

> dangerous to use daily as it will redistribute metals from the brain to

the

> body etc

>

>>> >>Or from the body to brain which is worse. Andy says you can call it an

> antioxidant and give it once daily but it does what it does regardless in

an

> Mercury toxic person. I would not risk my childs brain in this way

>

> FWIW

>

> Mandi in UK

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree With Mandi. You can give a supplement with the intention of it

being an antioxidant - and perhaps for a non-mercury-toxic individual it

would be, but it will do what it wants to do once it's in your child's body.

There are other antioxidants out there that you can use instead - why take

the risk of the ALA redistributing metals into your kid's brain if you don't

have to?

Hope this helps,

http://www.recoveringnicholas.com

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1566597819 & ref=profile

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Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:05 PM

Subject: Re: Re: What are the best enzymes for reducing

inflammation in the ...

In a message dated 27/04/2009 22:01:52 GMT Standard Time, maryhe@...

<mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

writes:

what is your experience with ALA and why is he the only one who uses it

like

this when others use it as a general antioxidant & shy; he states that it is

dangerous to use daily as it will redistribute metals from the brain to the

body etc

>>Or from the body to brain which is worse. Andy says you can call it an

antioxidant and give it once daily but it does what it does regardless in an

Mercury toxic person. I would not risk my childs brain in this way

FWIW

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

Hi , have sat on this for two days ¡© why is yeast such a big issue

when we start to chelate??

And what dosing of ALA are you using ¡© we have obviously used too high a

dose and then had major fall out etc ¡© Have you had big improvements with

chelation this way or moderate or minor ¡© just trying to gauge what folk are

calling improvements etc.

Still can¡¯t see why more doctors aren¡¯t using this method if its so darn

good ¡© I would have thought all the various think tanks would have been able

to sort it out by now ¡© annoys the heck out of me that there is such a

conflicting opinion when it comes to chelation etc.

Appreciate your email and your knowledge.

Regards

On 28/4/09 7:14 PM, " " <hisblueeyes@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> ,

>

> There are lots of recovered kids (well their parents) on the autism treatment

> board who are using this protocol. AC protocol chelation has been the #1

> best intervention for us so far, hands down. And my son is a yeasty gut kid

> ¡© and I haven¡¯t found the yeast eating him alive as one DAN said it would.

> After 8 months of chelation ¡© 31 rounds to be exact ¡© and yeast is no worse

> than the day that we started. IV chelation has the ability to stir up yeast

> as well ¡© it is my understanding that it is the metals moving that does

> this, not the chelator persay. Many dans do not like to support this

> protocol and many will try to scare parents out of using it using the yeast

> or gut issues as an excuse. Your guess as to what the reason for this would

> be would be as good as mine ¡© although for those DAN¡¯s offering IV

> chelation, one has to wonder if it doesn¡¯t have to do with income. They

> make nice $$ off of IV¡¯s whereas writing you a script for dmsa doesn¡¯t make

> them a dime.

>

> I love , but I hardly think her new book is the end-all reference for

> biomed treatments, so it not mentioning Cutler¡¯s protocol is really

> meaningless. There were a few things that kartzinel wrote that my research

> would disagree with ¡© and that was just taking a look at it in the

> bookstore. (I put it back on the shelf) One example is letting the child

> pick the chelator. So, he subjects his patients to not ONE challenge test,

> but TWO. So he can compare what came out depending on which chelator was

> given and use that on the child. Except for one problem¡¦ a urine test is

> only showing you a snapshot of what is being excreted at that particular

> time and has no bearing over what is stored in the brain/tissues/organs/etc.

> In my opinion, there are better books out there which would get you more

> bang for your buck. I was looking forward to this book, but it was a huge

> disappointment for me, to be quite honest.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

>

>

> http://www.recoveringnicholas.com

>

> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1566597819 & ref=profile

> <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1566597819 & amp;ref=profile>

>

> From:

> <mailto:%40>

> [mailto:

> <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of

> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:20 PM

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Subject: Re: Re: What are the best enzymes for reducing

> inflammation in the ...

>

> Thanks Mandi but why is no one else using this protocol ¡© I know lots of

> kids who have done well with other chelation techniques etc - how recovered

> is your child using his protocol ¡© just need some idea re what is the most

> common way that kids get better when chelating ¡© in the new McCarthy book

> they don©öt even mention Cutlers protocol ¡© just don©öt want to waste time

> with something if its just going to cause lots of issues and no real long

> term gains etc etc ¡© it seems like it is out there all on its own, haven©öt

> yet met anyone with a recovered kid using it, seems like lots start but most

> get rerailed due to stimmy yeasty symptoms ¡© what is your experience etc

>

>

> On 28/4/09 9:04 AM, " Mum231ASD@... <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>

> <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com> "

> <Mum231ASD@... <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com> <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>

> > wrote:

>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > In a message dated 27/04/2009 22:01:52 GMT Standard Time,

> maryhe@... <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz> <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

>> > <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

>> > writes:

>> >

>> > what is your experience with ALA and why is he the only one who uses it

>> > like

>> > this when others use it as a general antioxidant & shy; he states that it

> is

>> > dangerous to use daily as it will redistribute metals from the brain to

> the

>> > body etc

>> >

>>>>>> >>> >>Or from the body to brain which is worse. Andy says you can call it

an

>> > antioxidant and give it once daily but it does what it does regardless in

> an

>> > Mercury toxic person. I would not risk my childs brain in this way

>> >

>> > FWIW

>> >

>> > Mandi in UK

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

,

From what I understand, it’s the metals moving which causes the yeast.

For round 1 and 2, I used 8mg DMSA only

For round 3, I added 8mg ALA, but this made him sick to his stomach, so I

dropped it down to 4mg.

For round 8, I increased dmsa to 12.5mg and ala to 6.25mg

For round 18, I increased dmsa to 16.7mg and ala to 8.33mg

For round 30, I increased dmsa to 20mg and ala to 10mg

From the end of August when we started to today, we have a completely

different child. His life has changed and as a result our lives have

changed – and only for the better. He is talking so much more – I don’t

even know how to properly convey this because compared to August, his

talking has just exploded. His awareness is amazing. And now he’s looking

for kids to play with, which for him is HUGE since he never paid one bit of

attention to another kid. Out of everything we tried, this by far has

brought us the farthest – my only regret was that we did not start sooner.

Recently, I have debated holding my son in preschool again next year – he

will be turning 5 in the fall. Well, I’m glad I mentioned this to the

school, because I found out that curriculum wise – he is ready for

kindergarten. I was so shocked to hear the words “ready for kindergarten” –

the only two issues they see left which are holding him back from the

mainstream class are his language and social abilities. Since he is moving

ahead so quickly in both of these areas, I am excited to think of where he

will be (with his language and socialization) come September after we

complete 20 more rounds.

Honestly, I’ve thought about why DAN’s are not supportive of this protocol.

And I think they each have their reasons, but here are a few I always lean

towards.

1 - Oral chelation does not help them sell IV’s – there’s no money to be

made if you walk out of the door with a script for dmsa. I know this

statement would infuriate many people who love their dan’s, but when it

comes down to it – they are running businesses and businesses need money to

run.

2 - The dosing schedule can be a turn off for parents and if the reasoning

behind it is not explained properly to them, many will seem reluctant to

even try it – so doctors will suggest an easier protocol.

3 - A while back I had asked the question of “how much education do DAN’s

get in regards to chelation?’ because like you, I could not understand why

DAN’s would not support this protocol. I was not impressed to find out

their training in chelation seemed to be much less than I would have

expected it to be – I would hope that most would continue to research and

learn about chelators, half-lives, etc – but with the protocols I have heard

being used, this does not seem like the case. Our former dan told us that a

very small percentage of children in his practice were recovered by

chelation – but I have read story after story of recoveries using this

protocol. So, if something is actually recovering kids over what you are

offering your patients, wouldn’t you think they’d want to try a different

protocol and see if they get better results? Then I asked how many kids

in his practice were fully recovered (or even close) – and he said he could

count them on two hands. (For the money each appointment cost, I was really

turned off by this statement.) What we have witnessed in our son points to

chelation being a huge piece in his recovery. The number of friends that I

have who are also doing the same protocol that are seeing very similar

results to what we are seeing points in this same direction. I do believe

it’s truly a shame more DANs don’t support this protocol – there are ones

who do – but I agree, it would be great if they could all come together

about it.

Hope this helps,

http://www.recoveringnicholas.com

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1566597819 & ref=profile

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:40 AM

Subject: Re: Re: What are the best enzymes for reducing

inflammation in the ...

Hi , have sat on this for two days ­ why is yeast such a big issue

when we start to chelate??

And what dosing of ALA are you using ­ we have obviously used too high a

dose and then had major fall out etc ­ Have you had big improvements with

chelation this way or moderate or minor ­ just trying to gauge what folk are

calling improvements etc.

Still can’t see why more doctors aren’t using this method if its so darn

good ­ I would have thought all the various think tanks would have been able

to sort it out by now ­ annoys the heck out of me that there is such a

conflicting opinion when it comes to chelation etc.

Appreciate your email and your knowledge.

Regards

On 28/4/09 7:14 PM, " " <hisblueeyes@...

<mailto:hisblueeyes%40comcast.net> > wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> ,

>

> There are lots of recovered kids (well their parents) on the

autism treatment

> board who are using this protocol. AC protocol chelation has been the #1

> best intervention for us so far, hands down. And my son is a yeasty gut

kid

> ­ and I haven’t found the yeast eating him alive as one DAN said it would.

> After 8 months of chelation ­ 31 rounds to be exact ­ and yeast is no

worse

> than the day that we started. IV chelation has the ability to stir up

yeast

> as well ­ it is my understanding that it is the metals moving that does

> this, not the chelator persay. Many dans do not like to support this

> protocol and many will try to scare parents out of using it using the

yeast

> or gut issues as an excuse. Your guess as to what the reason for this

would

> be would be as good as mine ­ although for those DAN’s offering IV

> chelation, one has to wonder if it doesn’t have to do with income. They

> make nice $$ off of IV’s whereas writing you a script for dmsa doesn’t

make

> them a dime.

>

> I love , but I hardly think her new book is the end-all reference for

> biomed treatments, so it not mentioning Cutler’s protocol is really

> meaningless. There were a few things that kartzinel wrote that my research

> would disagree with ­ and that was just taking a look at it in the

> bookstore. (I put it back on the shelf) One example is letting the child

> pick the chelator. So, he subjects his patients to not ONE challenge test,

> but TWO. So he can compare what came out depending on which chelator was

> given and use that on the child. Except for one problem… a urine test is

> only showing you a snapshot of what is being excreted at that particular

> time and has no bearing over what is stored in the

brain/tissues/organs/etc.

> In my opinion, there are better books out there which would get you more

> bang for your buck. I was looking forward to this book, but it was a huge

> disappointment for me, to be quite honest.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

>

>

> http://www.recoveringnicholas.com

>

> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1566597819

<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1566597819 & ref=profile> & ref=profile

> <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1566597819

<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1566597819 & amp;ref=profile>

& amp;ref=profile>

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> From:

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> <mailto:%40>

> [mailto:

<mailto:%40>

> <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of

> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:20 PM

>

<mailto: %40>

> <mailto: %40>

> Subject: Re: Re: What are the best enzymes for reducing

> inflammation in the ...

>

> Thanks Mandi but why is no one else using this protocol ­ I know lots of

> kids who have done well with other chelation techniques etc - how

recovered

> is your child using his protocol ­ just need some idea re what is the most

> common way that kids get better when chelating ­ in the new McCarthy book

> they don¹t even mention Cutlers protocol ­ just don¹t want to waste time

> with something if its just going to cause lots of issues and no real long

> term gains etc etc ­ it seems like it is out there all on its own, haven¹t

> yet met anyone with a recovered kid using it, seems like lots start but

most

> get rerailed due to stimmy yeasty symptoms ­ what is your experience etc

>

>

> On 28/4/09 9:04 AM, " Mum231ASD@... <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>

<mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>

> <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com> "

> <Mum231ASD@... <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>

<mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com> <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>

> > wrote:

>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > In a message dated 27/04/2009 22:01:52 GMT Standard Time,

> maryhe@... <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

<mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz> <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

>> > <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

>> > writes:

>> >

>> > what is your experience with ALA and why is he the only one who uses it

>> > like

>> > this when others use it as a general antioxidant & shy; he states that

it

> is

>> > dangerous to use daily as it will redistribute metals from the brain to

> the

>> > body etc

>> >

>>>>>> >>> >>Or from the body to brain which is worse. Andy says you can

call it

an

>> > antioxidant and give it once daily but it does what it does regardless

in

> an

>> > Mercury toxic person. I would not risk my childs brain in this way

>> >

>> > FWIW

>> >

>> > Mandi in UK

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Hi , thanks so much ¡© especially for laying this out for me so

clearly ¡© it is so appreciated ¡© I find that so few are willing to take the

time to actually lay it out with detail etc ¡© now as to where to buy the low

doses of each dmsa and ala, where can I purchase them at the low doses ¡© we

will go low and slow and see where we end up ¡© all we need for our child now

is a some socialability and he is almost there ¡© wow can¡¯t believe how long

this process has been, good news is he is undamaged by all my chelation

attempts and he has got better over the years with diet and good therapy ¡©

but has cycling of how he is ¡© this is so helpful

Regards ¡© last request I promise!

On 1/5/09 4:13 AM, " " <hisblueeyes@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> ,

>

> From what I understand, it¡¯s the metals moving which causes the yeast.

>

> For round 1 and 2, I used 8mg DMSA only

>

> For round 3, I added 8mg ALA, but this made him sick to his stomach, so I

> dropped it down to 4mg.

>

> For round 8, I increased dmsa to 12.5mg and ala to 6.25mg

>

> For round 18, I increased dmsa to 16.7mg and ala to 8.33mg

>

> For round 30, I increased dmsa to 20mg and ala to 10mg

>

> From the end of August when we started to today, we have a completely

> different child. His life has changed and as a result our lives have

> changed ¡© and only for the better. He is talking so much more ¡© I don¡¯t

> even know how to properly convey this because compared to August, his

> talking has just exploded. His awareness is amazing. And now he¡¯s looking

> for kids to play with, which for him is HUGE since he never paid one bit of

> attention to another kid. Out of everything we tried, this by far has

> brought us the farthest ¡© my only regret was that we did not start sooner.

>

> Recently, I have debated holding my son in preschool again next year ¡© he

> will be turning 5 in the fall. Well, I¡¯m glad I mentioned this to the

> school, because I found out that curriculum wise ¡© he is ready for

> kindergarten. I was so shocked to hear the words ¡°ready for kindergarten¡±

¡©

> the only two issues they see left which are holding him back from the

> mainstream class are his language and social abilities. Since he is moving

> ahead so quickly in both of these areas, I am excited to think of where he

> will be (with his language and socialization) come September after we

> complete 20 more rounds.

>

> Honestly, I¡¯ve thought about why DAN¡¯s are not supportive of this protocol.

> And I think they each have their reasons, but here are a few I always lean

> towards.

>

> 1 - Oral chelation does not help them sell IV¡¯s ¡© there¡¯s no money to be

> made if you walk out of the door with a script for dmsa. I know this

> statement would infuriate many people who love their dan¡¯s, but when it

> comes down to it ¡© they are running businesses and businesses need money to

> run.

>

> 2 - The dosing schedule can be a turn off for parents and if the reasoning

> behind it is not explained properly to them, many will seem reluctant to

> even try it ¡© so doctors will suggest an easier protocol.

>

> 3 - A while back I had asked the question of ¡°how much education do DAN¡¯s

> get in regards to chelation?¡¯ because like you, I could not understand why

> DAN¡¯s would not support this protocol. I was not impressed to find out

> their training in chelation seemed to be much less than I would have

> expected it to be ¡© I would hope that most would continue to research and

> learn about chelators, half-lives, etc ¡© but with the protocols I have heard

> being used, this does not seem like the case. Our former dan told us that a

> very small percentage of children in his practice were recovered by

> chelation ¡© but I have read story after story of recoveries using this

> protocol. So, if something is actually recovering kids over what you are

> offering your patients, wouldn¡¯t you think they¡¯d want to try a different

> protocol and see if they get better results? Then I asked how many kids

> in his practice were fully recovered (or even close) ¡© and he said he could

> count them on two hands. (For the money each appointment cost, I was really

> turned off by this statement.) What we have witnessed in our son points to

> chelation being a huge piece in his recovery. The number of friends that I

> have who are also doing the same protocol that are seeing very similar

> results to what we are seeing points in this same direction. I do believe

> it¡¯s truly a shame more DANs don¡¯t support this protocol ¡© there are ones

> who do ¡© but I agree, it would be great if they could all come together

> about it.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

>

>

> http://www.recoveringnicholas.com

>

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> From:

> <mailto:%40>

> [mailto:

> <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of

> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:40 AM

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Subject: Re: Re: What are the best enzymes for reducing

> inflammation in the ...

>

> Hi , have sat on this for two days ¡© why is yeast such a big issue

> when we start to chelate??

> And what dosing of ALA are you using ¡© we have obviously used too high a

> dose and then had major fall out etc ¡© Have you had big improvements with

> chelation this way or moderate or minor ¡© just trying to gauge what folk are

> calling improvements etc.

> Still can¡¯t see why more doctors aren¡¯t using this method if its so darn

> good ¡© I would have thought all the various think tanks would have been able

> to sort it out by now ¡© annoys the heck out of me that there is such a

> conflicting opinion when it comes to chelation etc.

> Appreciate your email and your knowledge.

> Regards

>

> On 28/4/09 7:14 PM, " " <hisblueeyes@...

> <mailto:hisblueeyes%40comcast.net>

> <mailto:hisblueeyes%40comcast.net> > wrote:

>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ,

>> >

>> > There are lots of recovered kids (well their parents) on the

> autism treatment

>> > board who are using this protocol. AC protocol chelation has been the #1

>> > best intervention for us so far, hands down. And my son is a yeasty gut

> kid

>> > ¡© and I haven¡¯t found the yeast eating him alive as one DAN said it

would.

>> > After 8 months of chelation ¡© 31 rounds to be exact ¡© and yeast is no

> worse

>> > than the day that we started. IV chelation has the ability to stir up

> yeast

>> > as well ¡© it is my understanding that it is the metals moving that does

>> > this, not the chelator persay. Many dans do not like to support this

>> > protocol and many will try to scare parents out of using it using the

> yeast

>> > or gut issues as an excuse. Your guess as to what the reason for this

> would

>> > be would be as good as mine ¡© although for those DAN¡¯s offering IV

>> > chelation, one has to wonder if it doesn¡¯t have to do with income. They

>> > make nice $$ off of IV¡¯s whereas writing you a script for dmsa doesn¡¯t

> make

>> > them a dime.

>> >

>> > I love , but I hardly think her new book is the end-all reference for

>> > biomed treatments, so it not mentioning Cutler¡¯s protocol is really

>> > meaningless. There were a few things that kartzinel wrote that my research

>> > would disagree with ¡© and that was just taking a look at it in the

>> > bookstore. (I put it back on the shelf) One example is letting the child

>> > pick the chelator. So, he subjects his patients to not ONE challenge test,

>> > but TWO. So he can compare what came out depending on which chelator was

>> > given and use that on the child. Except for one problem¡¦ a urine test is

>> > only showing you a snapshot of what is being excreted at that particular

>> > time and has no bearing over what is stored in the

> brain/tissues/organs/etc.

>> > In my opinion, there are better books out there which would get you more

>> > bang for your buck. I was looking forward to this book, but it was a huge

>> > disappointment for me, to be quite honest.

>> >

>> > Hope this helps,

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > http://www.recoveringnicholas.com

>> >

>> > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1566597819

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>> >

>> > From:

>> <mailto:%40>

> <mailto:%40>

>> > <mailto:%40>

>> > [mailto:

>> <mailto:%40>

> <mailto:%40>

>> > <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of

>> > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:20 PM

>> >

>> <mailto: %40>

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>> > <mailto: %40>

>> > Subject: Re: Re: What are the best enzymes for reducing

>> > inflammation in the ...

>> >

>> > Thanks Mandi but why is no one else using this protocol ¡© I know lots of

>> > kids who have done well with other chelation techniques etc - how

> recovered

>> > is your child using his protocol ¡© just need some idea re what is the most

>> > common way that kids get better when chelating ¡© in the new McCarthy book

>> > they don©öt even mention Cutlers protocol ¡© just don©öt want to waste time

>> > with something if its just going to cause lots of issues and no real long

>> > term gains etc etc ¡© it seems like it is out there all on its own,

haven©öt

>> > yet met anyone with a recovered kid using it, seems like lots start but

> most

>> > get rerailed due to stimmy yeasty symptoms ¡© what is your experience etc

>> >

>> >

>> > On 28/4/09 9:04 AM, " Mum231ASD@... <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>

>> <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>

> <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>

>> > <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com> "

>> > <Mum231ASD@... <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>

>> <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>

> <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com> <mailto:Mum231ASD%40aol.com>

>>> > > wrote:

>> >

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > In a message dated 27/04/2009 22:01:52 GMT Standard Time,

>> > maryhe@... <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

>> <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

> <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz> <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

>>>> >> > <mailto:maryhe%40xtra.co.nz>

>>>> >> > writes:

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > what is your experience with ALA and why is he the only one who uses

it

>>>> >> > like

>>>> >> > this when others use it as a general antioxidant & shy; he states that

> it

>> > is

>>>> >> > dangerous to use daily as it will redistribute metals from the brain

to

>> > the

>>>> >> > body etc

>>>> >> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>Or from the body to brain which is worse. Andy says

you can

> call it

> an

>>>> >> > antioxidant and give it once daily but it does what it does regardless

> in

>> > an

>>>> >> > Mercury toxic person. I would not risk my childs brain in this way

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > FWIW

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> > Mandi in UK

>>>> >> >

>>>> >> >