Clostridia

April 13, 2005

Dear

Could I ask how you know specifically you have a Clostridial overgrowth as opposed to a yeast overgrowth?

TIA

Caroline

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April 14, 2005

Hi Caroline,

I think its difficult to tell without testing specifically, I'm going really on his symptons but will be doing a metametrix dysbiosis test on Monday which will give me a better indication of whether its yeast or clostridia or both as Jack suffers from both! Yeast overgrowth tends to make Jack act like a drunk!! He gets very giggly and silly over absolutely nothing! Clostridia seems to manifest more in stomach pain and very explosive bowel movements, although bowel issues are a constant with us and are equally so with yeast issues. I think the only way to be sure is testing - if the DHPPA level is high we know clostridia is a problem. Also stool testing can help to identify a clostridia overgrowth.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Re: Clostridia

Dear

Could I ask how you know specifically you have a Clostridial overgrowth as opposed to a yeast overgrowth?

TIA

Caroline

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April 14, 2005

I assume this is what we had, bloated stomach, tons of aggression.

Allimax, which we used, is an extract off allicin developed in a

hospital by researchers, it is the active ingredient in crushed

garlic.

Allicin is antibacterial/antifungal/antiviral/immune boosting and on

and on.

One capsule(recomended dosage) of allimax is the equivalent of many

cloves of garlic (think I read about 16).

It is supposedly very good for clostridia/strep/pylori and fights

yeast and bacteria at same time!

A bit of allicin background, stick 'allicin' in this search engine:

http://demos.vivisimo.com/projects/BioMed

Anyway, you get the picture, I am a convert.

I open the capsule and add it to small amount of water/juice, I have

to squish it around until it dissolves as it tends

to clump, but it doesn't take too long. If kid swallows caps even

better - but mine doesn't.

Jack likes garlic bread etc so no prob with drink (and he is very

fussy).

Anyway, aggression went in 3 to 4 days. I read of someone else using

Uva Ursi and swearing by it for clostridia on ck2 lately as well.

hth,

Mark

> It looks like we've hit a spell of clostridia - can anyone advise

as to their weapons of choice for tackling this one?

> Am just about to do a dysbiosis test to be sure!

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April 15, 2005

Thanks Mark,

I've got some of this stull which I've been using in rotation with other yeast fighters. I'll step it up to a daily dose and see what happens. Do you use it every day?

With best wishes

Re: Clostridia

I assume this is what we had, bloated stomach, tons of aggression.Allimax, which we used, is an extract off allicin developed in a hospital by researchers, it is the active ingredient in crushed garlic.Allicin is antibacterial/antifungal/antiviral/immune boosting and on and on. One capsule(recomended dosage) of allimax is the equivalent of many cloves of garlic (think I read about 16).It is supposedly very good for clostridia/strep/pylori and fights yeast and bacteria at same time! A bit of allicin background, stick 'allicin' in this search engine: http://demos.vivisimo.com/projects/BioMed Anyway, you get the picture, I am a convert. I open the capsule and add it to small amount of water/juice, I have to squish it around until it dissolves as it tendsto clump, but it doesn't take too long. If kid swallows caps even better - but mine doesn't. Jack likes garlic bread etc so no prob with drink (and he is very fussy). Anyway, aggression went in 3 to 4 days. I read of someone else using Uva Ursi and swearing by it for clostridia on ck2 lately as well.hth, Mark> It looks like we've hit a spell of clostridia - can anyone advise as to their weapons of choice for tackling this one?> Am just about to do a dysbiosis test to be sure!>

April 15, 2005

Hi Mark

Where did you get Allimax? Looks v good and how long can one

continue? Also did you do another test to see if clostridia has gone?

As I understand it can come back. What are you giving for yeast?

Thanks seema

> > It looks like we've hit a spell of clostridia - can anyone

advise

> as to their weapons of choice for tackling this one?

> > Am just about to do a dysbiosis test to be sure!

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April 15, 2005

Hi Seema,

I have now just left it as part of his daily supplements. I didn't do

a test in the first place, we had big stomach, defiance, aggression

etc and treated with allimax and no-phenol (an enzyme similar to

candex for yeast) and the angel returned in a few days ;-)

We give last thing at night on empty stomach and then probiotics in

morn.

Last time I bought it there was a '3 for 2' on @ www.health-

store.co.uk but I've just checked and it's normal price 6.99 also

available at www.nutricentre.com same price, but you get free postage

and 25% off anything if you use coupon code:ATM13 (autism file

reader) whilst going through the checkout.

Mark

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> > > Am just about to do a dysbiosis test to be sure!

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April 15, 2005

Hi cathy,

yep, everyday, last thing at night on empty stomach with no-phenol

(like candex).

Mark

> > It looks like we've hit a spell of clostridia - can anyone

advise

> as to their weapons of choice for tackling this one?

> > Am just about to do a dysbiosis test to be sure!

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April 16, 2005

Supposed to be, very similar if not the same, I have a sample DF sent me but haven;t tried it yet - must do that to compare sometime.

Mandi

Is candex the same as candigest as we are using this last thing at night for yeast?

Thanks for all your advice,

April 16, 2005

Sorry, 3 hourly night dosing is doing my head in, its Candidase I was talking about. Candigest is new version of Candex!!

Sorry

Mandi

Who has to get on here early or the kids will be at me, I get several 10 min slots per day and then a proper one after they are in bed

We're a couple of early birds today!!! I thought candigest had replaced candex - am I wrong here? If so where do you get candex?

April 17, 2005

Mark,

Is candex the same as candigest as we are using this last thing at night for yeast?

Thanks for all your advice,

Re: Clostridia

Hi cathy,yep, everyday, last thing at night on empty stomach with no-phenol (like candex).Mark> > It looks like we've hit a spell of clostridia - can anyone advise > as to their weapons of choice for tackling this one?> > Am just about to do a dysbiosis test to be sure!> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>

April 17, 2005

Morning Mandi,

We're a couple of early birds today!!! I thought candigest had replaced candex - am I wrong here? If so where do you get candex?

With many thanks

Re: Re: Clostridia

Supposed to be, very similar if not the same, I have a sample DF sent me but haven;t tried it yet - must do that to compare sometime.

Mandi

Is candex the same as candigest as we are using this last thing at night for yeast?

Thanks for all your advice,

April 18, 2005

Hi Mandi,

Where do you get candidase and when and how do you use it?

Re: Re: Clostridia

Sorry, 3 hourly night dosing is doing my head in, its Candidase I was talking about. Candigest is new version of Candex!!

Sorry

Mandi

Who has to get on here early or the kids will be at me, I get several 10 min slots per day and then a proper one after they are in bed

We're a couple of early birds today!!! I thought candigest had replaced candex - am I wrong here? If so where do you get candex?

April 18, 2005

Hi ,

I wouldn't get hung up on the no-phenol bit I just thought I'd

include exactly what we're doing but I think for bacteria the allimax

was what worked, I just paired it with a yeast killer - I assume any

one will do - just see how you go!

take care,

Mark

> > > It looks like we've hit a spell of clostridia - can anyone

> advise

> > as to their weapons of choice for tackling this one?

> > > Am just about to do a dysbiosis test to be sure!

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April 18, 2005

Thanks Mark,

We're on the case and have removed all sugar too- its a hard slog but hopefully we'll see some benefit for him!!!

Re: Clostridia

Hi ,I wouldn't get hung up on the no-phenol bit I just thought I'd include exactly what we're doing but I think for bacteria the allimax was what worked, I just paired it with a yeast killer - I assume any one will do - just see how you go!take care,Mark> > > It looks like we've hit a spell of clostridia - can anyone > advise > > as to their weapons of choice for tackling this one?> > > Am just about to do a dysbiosis test to be sure!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> ----------> >

November 11, 2005

Great news about the Doctor Kris, hope it works out for Gethin.

Vicky

November 11, 2005

Hi Joanne

let me know how you get on with Flagyl we found it didnt even touch Jordan age 8 no change at all

regards mariella

January 20, 2006

In a message dated 20/01/2006 20:55:11 GMT Standard Time, acfloe@... writes:

My understanding is that, while Flagyl does the job short term, it leaves behind the spores, so there's a high rate of recurrence on Flagyl. My theory is to be sure to follow the Flagyl with several weeks of Culturelle or Sacro B to clean up the spores, or you're back where you started.

>>>good pointy Abbie - I did 3 months of Biobotanicals Bicocidin after 10 days of Flagyll

Mandi x

January 20, 2006

My understanding is that, while Flagyl does the job short term, it leaves

behind the spores, so there's a high rate of recurrence on Flagyl. My

theory is to be sure to follow the Flagyl with several weeks of Culturelle

or Sacro B to clean up the spores, or you're back where you started.

Abigail

January 21, 2006

Where can I buy Culturelle, Sacro B or Biobotanicals Bicocidin from.

Thanks Gillian

On 20/1/06 21:19, " Mum231ASD@... " <Mum231ASD@...> wrote:

In a message dated 20/01/2006 20:55:11 GMT Standard Time, acfloe@... writes:

My understanding is that, while Flagyl does the job short term, it leaves

behind the spores, so there's a high rate of recurrence on Flagyl. My

theory is to be sure to follow the Flagyl with several weeks of Culturelle

or Sacro B to clean up the spores, or you're back where you started.

>>>good pointy Abbie - I did 3 months of Biobotanicals Bicocidin after 10 days of Flagyll

Mandi x

DISCLAIMER

No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

January 21, 2006

Kirkman's

www.kirkmanlabs.com

( Culturella & Sacro...not sure about the bicocidin)

Lillian

fldofdrms@...fjennings@...

Re: Clostridia

Where can I buy Culturelle, Sacro B or Biobotanicals Bicocidin from.Thanks GillianOn 20/1/06 21:19, "Mum231ASD@..." <Mum231ASD@...> wrote:

In a message dated 20/01/2006 20:55:11 GMT Standard Time, acfloe@... writes:

My understanding is that, while Flagyl does the job short term, it leaves behind the spores, so there's a high rate of recurrence on Flagyl. My theory is to be sure to follow the Flagyl with several weeks of Culturelle or Sacro B to clean up the spores, or you're back where you started.>>>good pointy Abbie - I did 3 months of Biobotanicals Bicocidin after 10 days of Flagyll Mandi xDISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

January 21, 2006

In a message dated 21/01/2006 13:46:16 GMT Standard Time, editorial.hillbury@... writes:

Where can I buy Culturelle, Sacro B or Biobotanicals Bicocidin from.Thanks Gillian

>>>You should be able to get the first two at Nutricentre - members of Treating Autism get 25% discount. The Breakspear might be keeping Biobotanicals Biocidin - I think the Nutricentre stopped stocking it. Otherwsie you can get it from US via Cally. Let me know if you wnat details

Mandi in Dorset

May 9, 2006

During the DAN! Conference, clostridia came up a couple of times and it was suggested to use Sachromices Boularii to kill it. Although Dr. McCandless has prescribed antibiotics when it is really bad. Start with the S. Boularii until your doctor gets back. Watch out for potential die-off effects. Kirkman Labs carries it. Klaire Labs does too.

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clostridiaI wrote a few days ago that Kenzie was having violent masturbation. He seems to be in intense pain that will last anywhere from 5-20 minutes. I suspect clostridia. Does anyone know of a good reference for me to read up on it more? Also he has been on Valtrex since 4/2. Would this be the regression? He's fine during school. He usually does it early evening. He rubs himself on the floor and he screams and bites on anything in site including wood and metal. I end up letting him bite on me, not enough to break the skin. I don't want him breaking off some teeth. This is so disturbing to watch and I feel so helpless. My doctor is out of the country for another week. Any thoughts?ThanksPenny

May 9, 2006

During the DAN! Conference, clostridia came up a couple of times and it was suggested to use Sachromices Boularii to kill it. Although Dr. McCandless has prescribed antibiotics when it is really bad. Start with the S. Boularii until your doctor gets back. Watch out for potential die-off effects. Kirkman Labs carries it. Klaire Labs does too.

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clostridiaI wrote a few days ago that Kenzie was having violent masturbation. He seems to be in intense pain that will last anywhere from 5-20 minutes. I suspect clostridia. Does anyone know of a good reference for me to read up on it more? Also he has been on Valtrex since 4/2. Would this be the regression? He's fine during school. He usually does it early evening. He rubs himself on the floor and he screams and bites on anything in site including wood and metal. I end up letting him bite on me, not enough to break the skin. I don't want him breaking off some teeth. This is so disturbing to watch and I feel so helpless. My doctor is out of the country for another week. Any thoughts?ThanksPenny

May 11, 2006

This sound to me like fungus, IBS pain, and high testosterone.

I would personally try an antifungal like Nizoral and MB12 Spray or shots asap.

That did

the trick for me.

Also cut out the complex carbs, rice, pasta etc... Milk too (assuming you

haven't already).

- Stan

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> I wrote a few days ago that Kenzie was having violent masturbation. He

> seems to be in intense pain that will last anywhere from 5-20 minutes. I

> suspect clostridia. Does anyone know of a good reference for me to read up

> on it more? Also he has been on Valtrex since 4/2. Would this be the

> regression? He's fine during school. He usually does it early evening. He

> rubs himself on the floor and he screams and bites on anything in site

> including wood and metal. I end up letting him bite on me, not enough to

> break the skin. I don't want him breaking off some teeth. This is so

> disturbing to watch and I feel so helpless. My doctor is out of the country

> for another week. Any thoughts?

>

> Thanks

> Penny

>

May 11, 2006